FlyBe

[Deadcalm]

Does anyone on the offchance know if any of the FlyBe fleet are ADS-B equipped (Embraer E195 AR, Embraer 145, Bombardier Dash 8 Q400 or BAe146 )?

Thanks

DC

[Roadrunner]

They all have Mode-S, which means they can appear in the aircraft list (MyLog) but they are not Mode-B fitted which means they will not appear on the maps.  No Embraer aircraft are yet fitted with Mode-B with any airline and most Turbo-prop aircraft are the same, with one or two exceptions.

[Deadcalm]

Thanks for the info, Roadrunner.

DC

[Rockeyes]

(swear word) I had over looked this. I am I correct in saying that MODE S is the later type of transponder yet it cannot be viewed on the mapping software?

Had a look on the database and Flybe does not seem to appear. I’m feeling a little bit disappointed knowing I cannot view Europe's largest regional airline.

Probably been mentioned a million times but will MODE S be possible to view in a later update?

Please put my mind to rest and tell me I have not made a big mistake before going to work :(

http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?catid=810&pagetype=90

[Allocator]

(swear word) I had over looked this. I am I correct in saying that MODE S is the later type of transponder yet it cannot be viewed on the mapping software?

Had a look on the database and Flybe does not seem to appear. I’m feeling a little bit disappointed knowing I cannot view Europe's largest regional airline.

Probably been mentioned a million times but will MODE S be possible to view in a later update?

Please put my mind to rest and tell me I have not made a big mistake before going to work :(

http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?catid=810&pagetype=90

A short answer :-)

Mode S is the latest transponder, and a mode S transponder will always be picked up by RadarBox and the aircraft displayed in the aircraft list (if it is in range of your antenna).

However, not all Mode S boxes transmit all the information required to show aircraft on the map - that is the lat/lon position information.  Sometimes this is because the aircraft has an old Mode S box (FlyBe) and sometimes it is because the aircraft operator doesn't want ANYBODY other than air traffic to know where they are (military aircraft and most executive jets).

So, you have done the right thing getting RadarBox, but you will have to wait for FlyBe to upgrade their Mode S transponders, or indeed, their aircraft.

The FlyBe aircraft will appear in MyLog, and this records ALL "live" aircraft picked up by your antenna, even if they only show in the aircraft list.

Allocator

[Roadrunner]

To add to this, being in Stevenage I get a lot of non ADS-B fitted  bizz jets on finals for runway 26 at Luton overflying my house. I use a combination of their recorded height (as in the aircraft list) , an airband radio (to get their reported height and headings) and looking out the window to actually eyeball the aircraft. This works well and I manage to identify loads on Non ADS-B aircraft en-route to Luton.

Mike

[Allocator]

These are the FlyBe aircraft I have in MyLog - sorry about the formatting, but this is how it comes out when you post it to the forum.  The only problem with MyLog in this case, is that it doesn't show which aircraft transmit position information and therefore were plotted on the map.  The dates are first contact dates.

G-ECOA  De Havilland Canada DHC-8-402Q Dash 8DH8D   Flybe - British Europea 15/12/2007 14:00
G-ECOB  De Havilland DHC8-402                DH8D   Flybe                   19/01/2008 10:42
G-EMBH  Embraer EMB-145EU (ERJ-145EU)        E145   Flybe - British Europea 20/07/2006 20:57
G-FBEA  Embraer ERJ-190-200LR 195            E190   Flybe - British Europea 30/11/2007 17:27
G-FBEB  Embraer ERJ-190-200LR 195            E190   Flybe - British Europea 01/12/2007 08:26
G-FBEC  Embraer ERJ 190-200 LR               E190   Flybe Ltd               11/12/2007 20:06
G-FBED  Embraer ERJ 190-200 LR               E190   Flybe Ltd               30/11/2007 17:08
G-FBEE  Embraer ERJ 190-200 LR               E190   Flybe Ltd               30/11/2007 17:21
G-FBEF  Embraer ERJ 190-200 LR               E190   Flybe Ltd               30/11/2007 07:19
G-FBEG  Embraer ERJ-190-200LR 195LR          ...    Flybe - British Europea 30/11/2007 07:30
G-FBEH  Embraer ERJ 190-200 LR               E190   FlyBe                   30/11/2007 17:48
G-FBEI  Embraer ERJ-190-200LR 195LR          ...    Flybe - British Europea 27/01/2008 10:12
G-JEAV  British Aerospace 146-200            B462   FlyBe                   24/07/2006 17:31
G-JEBA  British Aerospace BAe-146            B463   Flybe - British Europea 30/11/2007 17:59
G-JEBC  British Aerospace 146-300            B463   FlyBe                   20/07/2006 21:19
G-JEBF  British Aerospace BAe-146            B463   Flybe - British Europea 30/11/2007 18:03
G-JEBG  British Aerospace BAe-146-300        B463   Flybe - British Europea 21/07/2006 07:23
G-JECE  De Havilland Canada DHC-8            DH8D   Flybe - British Europea 30/11/2007 17:28
G-JECF  De Havilland Canada DHC-8            DH8D   Flybe - British Europea 30/11/2007 17:56
G-JECG  De Havilland Canada DHC-8            DH8D   Flybe - British Europea 30/11/2007 17:42
G-JECH  De Havilland Canada DHC-8            DH8D   Flybe - British Europea 30/11/2007 17:29
G-JECI  De Havilland Canada DHC-8            DH8D   Flybe - British Europea 23/07/2006 14:06
G-JECJ  De Havilland Canada DHC-8-402Q Dash 8DH8D   Flybe - British Europea 30/11/2007 07:19
G-JECK  De Havilland Canada DHC-8            DH8D   Flybe - British Europea 30/11/2007 17:25
G-JECL  De Havilland Canada DHC-8            DH8D   Flybe - British Europea 21/07/2006 17:19
G-JECM  De Havilland Canada DHC-8            DH8D   Flybe - British Europea 30/11/2007 07:22
G-JECN  De Havilland Canada DHC-8            DH8D   Flybe - British Europea 30/11/2007 17:50
G-JECO  De Havilland Canada DHC-8            DH8D   Flybe - British Europea 30/11/2007 07:32
G-JECP  De Havilland Canada DHC-8            DH8D   Flybe - British Europea 30/11/2007 17:17
G-JECR  De Havilland Canada DHC-8            DH8D   Flybe - British Europea 30/11/2007 18:25
G-JECS  De Havilland DHC8-402                DH8D   Flybe Ltd               30/11/2007 17:15
G-JECT  De Havilland DHC8-402                DH8D   Flybe Ltd               30/11/2007 16:37
G-JECU  De Havilland DHC8-402                DH8D   Flybe Ltd               08/12/2007 16:04
G-JECV  De Havilland DHC8-402                DH8D   Flybe Ltd               30/11/2007 07:27
G-JECW  De Havilland DHC8-402                DH8D   Flybe Ltd               01/12/2007 08:37
G-JECX  De Havilland DHC8-402                DH8D   Flybe Ltd               30/11/2007 17:01
G-JECY  De Havilland DHC8-402                DH8D   Flybe Ltd               30/11/2007 07:20
G-JECZ  De Havilland Canada DHC-8-402Q Dash 8...    Flybe - British Europea 30/11/2007 07:29
G-JEDI  De Havilland Canada DHC-8            DH8D   Flybe - British Europea 30/11/2007 17:34
G-JEDJ  De Havilland Canada DHC-8            DH8D   Flybe - British Europea 30/11/2007 07:26
G-JEDK  De Havilland Canada DHC-8-402Q Dash 8DH8D   Flybe - British Europea 30/11/2007 17:02
G-JEDL  De Havilland Canada DHC-8            DH8D   Flybe - British Europea 30/11/2007 17:21
G-JEDM  De Havilland Canada DHC-8            DH8D   Flybe - British Europea 30/11/2007 07:19
G-JEDN  De Havilland Canada DHC-8            DH8D   Flybe - British Europea 03/12/2007 20:03
G-JEDO  De Havilland Canada DHC-8            DH8D   Flybe - British Europea 30/11/2007 07:34
G-JEDP  De Havilland Canada DHC-8            DH8D   Flybe - British Europea 22/07/2006 15:38
G-JEDR  De Havilland Canada DHC-8            DH8D   Flybe - British Europea 30/11/2007 17:23
G-JEDT  De Havilland Canada DHC-8            DH8D   Flybe - British Europea 30/11/2007 16:36
G-JEDU  De Havilland Canada DHC-8            DH8D   Flybe - British Europea 22/07/2006 13:50
G-JEDV  De Havilland Canada DHC-8            DH8D   Flybe - British Europea 30/11/2007 07:30
G-JEDW  De Havilland Canada DHC-8            DH8D   Flybe - British Europea 30/11/2007 07:19
G-ECOC  De Havilland DHC8-402                DH8D   FlyBe                   31/03/2008 19:31

[Allocator]

Further to my last post.......

It seems that FlyBe don't bother to input the Flight ID into the Mode S box (if they have this capability) as when checking MyLog, I have NO FlyBe Flight ID's and therefore there is never going to be a FlyBe logo showing in the aircraft list :-(

Not a RadarBox fault, but a FlyBe company procedure problem.

[Roadrunner]

Maybe a future enhancement would be the option to select a code to be used against particular aircraft then it could use the operators logo based on either aircraft details or company name. I like to show the owners logo rather than for whom the aircraft just happens to be operating a flight.

[Allocator]

You can filter the MyFlight list to show the FlyBe aircraft, but you can't use SmartView Fleet Watch non Flight ID aircraft.



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Note to AirNav Support - the only way I can enter Flybe* into the quick filter box, is to choose Flybe Ltd or Flybe - British European, then delete back to Flybe and enter the "*".  If you type FLYBE* (it all comes out in capitals - can't seem to do lower case) then Flybe (as listed in the drop down box) is not recognised.  The filter seems to be case-sensitive.

Allocator

[Roadrunner]

You can filter the MyFlight list to show the FlyBe aircraft, but you can't use SmartView Fleet Watch non Flight ID aircraft.

My idea was to find a way of enabling a logo to be displayed even when a flight number is not shown or is for the company the aircraft happens to be flying with rather than the owner. I was not looking for a filter of a specific company. However, if their was a field that would enable, say, inputing the 3 - letter ICAO code and having RB use that to display the logo.

Mike

[AirNav Support]

Thanks Allocator, we have noted that as a bug.

[Allocator]

You can filter the MyFlight list to show the FlyBe aircraft, but you can't use SmartView Fleet Watch non Flight ID aircraft.

My idea was to find a way of enabling a logo to be displayed even when a flight number is not shown or is for the company the aircraft happens to be flying with rather than the owner. I was not looking for a filter of a specific company. However, if their was a field that would enable, say, inputing the 3 - letter ICAO code and having RB use that to display the logo.

Mike

Mike,

As per SBS-1?  I wouldn't really be in favour of that, unless it only worked if there was no Flight ID.  I would much rather have the Logo display driven by the ICAO ID.  I don't really care who the owner is, I want to know who the operator is.

[Roadrunner]

I am quite happy with how this works - most of the time. However, It would be a manual input so that the user can decide whether he /she wants to have the owner or flight operator in that field. Once manually input it would be retained for future use. It is all about choice rather than having to live with a very fixed idea. :-)

[Rockeyes]

I had a chat with a Flybe wizard who is a senior player in their technical support department down in Exeter and I’m informed that the Flybe fleet of Embraer aircraft including the Q400 and EMB195 do not have ADS-B systems fitted.
It is a system that is being monitored closely and Bombardier will shortly have a system for demonstration. However due to the expense of this equipment it is not envisaged to be fitted unless of course it becomes a mandatory requirement, which maybe not too far away.

So fingers crossed  :)