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anakin-j-skywalker

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question for the use on a real tower
« on: May 12, 2008, 03:26:31 PM »
Hi there!

I'm an air traffic controller from a regional airport in germany. As an ex-center controller I'm used to work with a radar, but we don't have one here at the airport. We got a CTR airspace D and Lufthansa and OLT here with Saab2000 and CRJ2. Still its not mandatory for smaller airports to have a radar and you are not allowed to do seperation with it. But still I'm looking for a good tool to have at least some information about my airspace. So what exactly would I be able to see with this airnav-radar? Especially the small VFR-planes, I don't care about the traffic in Frankfurt or Berlin (its also interesting of course). Would I get a good traffic picture of my CTR, how many percent of the VFR traffic would it cover? The landscape is quiet flat, so it should have a good coverage.

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Re: question for the use on a real tower
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2008, 03:38:09 PM »
Hi there, welcome to the forum :-)

You might be able to get an answer here from a RadarBox user in your part of Europe, but if you were happy to let us know your airfield, I'll post some screenshots of Network data if I see anything in your area.

However, it's impossible to say exactly what you will see as it does depend on the Mode S fit in the aircraft using your field.  Almost certainly you will not see light GA traffic, as there is no reason for these aircraft to be fitted with another expensive item of kit.  Some light aircraft do show up in the list, but these are few and far between and they are very unlikely to show up on the map.

It sounds as though coverage would be good at your location though, although as you are already aware, you could only use the display as " personal information" rather than for any type of ATC information service - better than nothing though.

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Re: question for the use on a real tower
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2008, 05:59:58 PM »
Well, the airport is "Heringsdorf" in the far north east Germany on the island "Usedom", 2 miles from the polish border. But I thougt that everyone has to be ModeS equipped by now and that the radarbox would pick up all their signals. Don't all the C172s and P28As use ModeS now? Those are the aircraft I'm concerned about, because you always have VFR pilots, which don't do what they are told and suddenly show up in the final close to the airliner... I'm curious about your pictures of the area here!

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Re: question for the use on a real tower
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2008, 06:00:42 PM »
And thanks for the nice welcome and fast answer!!

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Re: question for the use on a real tower
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2008, 07:13:55 PM »
Mode-S yes but it does not mean they be shown on the map in RadarBox. They need to have the Mode-S extended which is ADS-B details for aircraft to show there positions.

There are very few military or VFR aircraft which have this capability at the moment unfortunaly.
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Re: question for the use on a real tower
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2008, 09:44:03 AM »
Oh, this is to bad. My boss probably wouldnt spend money on that then... Any idea what else I could use?

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Re: question for the use on a real tower
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2008, 04:53:09 PM »
A radar or binoculars?

Unless the aircraft is transmitting some sort of information, then there is no way of picking it up with a passive system like an ADS-B receiver.  The only way you are going to see them is by using an active system such as a primary radar, secondary radar (SSR Mode 3) or a combination of both.

I can see Heringsdorf on the RadarBox map, but there is only high level traffic showing at the moment (FL350 and above).  I'll keep an eye on your airfiled and see if I can see any low level traffic, although this is only going to happen if there is a RadarBox user in your area.

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Re: question for the use on a real tower
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2008, 05:04:34 PM »
Anakin,

Here are the Saab 2000 and CRJ2 aircraft I've picked up live, but I don't know if these plotted on the map, or just showing in the aircraft list.  Are any of these aircraft that come into your airfield?

I'll do a bit of watching and see if theses aircraft are appearing on the map.

Saab 2000  SB20     OLT - Ostfriesische Lufttranspor3C7D81   Germany D-AOLA
Saab 2000  SB20     OLT - Ostfriesische Lufttranspor3C7D82   Germany D-AOLB
Saab 2000  ...      OLT - Ostfriesische Lufttranspor3C7D83   Germany D-AOLC
Saab 2000  SB20     OLT - Ostfriesische Lufttranspor3C7D94   Germany D-AOLT


CRJ2  Lufthansa Regional (Lufthansa CityLi3C4D01     Germany D-ACHA
CRJ2  Lufthansa Regional (Lufthansa CityLi3C4D02     Germany D-ACHB
CRJ2  Lufthansa                           3C4D03     Germany D-ACHC
CRJ2  Lufthansa Regional (Lufthansa CityLi3C4D04     Germany D-ACHD
CRJ2  Lufthansa Regional (Lufthansa CityLi3C4D05     Germany D-ACHE
CRJ2  Lufthansa Regional (Lufthansa CityLi3C4D06     Germany D-ACHF
CRJ2  Lufthansa                           3C4D07     Germany D-ACHG
CRJ2  Lufthansa Regional (Lufthansa CityLi3C4D08     Germany D-ACHH
CRJ2  Lufthansa Regional (Lufthansa CityLi3C4D09     Germany D-ACHI
CRJ2  Lufthansa                           3C4D0B     Germany D-ACHK
CRJ2  Eurowings                           3C4E41     Germany D-ACRA
CRJ2  Eurowings                           3C4E42     Germany D-ACRB
CRJ2  Eurowings                           3C4E43     Germany D-ACRC
CRJ2  Eurowings                           3C4E44     Germany D-ACRD
CRJ2  Lufthansa Regional (Eurowings)      3C4E45     Germany D-ACRE
CRJ2  Eurowings                           3C4E46     Germany D-ACRF
CRJ2  Eurowings                           3C4E47     Germany D-ACRG
CRJ2  Lufthansa Regional (Eurowings)      3C4E48     Germany D-ACRH
CRJ2  Lufthansa Regional (Eurowings)      3C4E49     Germany D-ACRI
CRJ2  Lufthansa Regional (Eurowings)      3C4E4A     Germany D-ACRJ
CRJ2  Lufthansa Regional (Eurowings)      3C4E4B     Germany D-ACRK
CRJ2  Lufthansa Regional (Eurowings)      3C4E4C     Germany D-ACRL
CRJ2  Lufthansa Regional (Eurowings)      3C4E4D     Germany D-ACRM
CRJ2  Lufthansa Regional (Eurowings)      3C4E4E     Germany D-ACRN
CRJ2  Lufthansa Regional (Eurowings)      3C4E4F     Germany D-ACRO
CRJ2  Lufthansa Regional (Eurowings)      3C4E50     Germany D-ACRP
CRJ2  Lufthansa Regional (Eurowings)      3C4E51     Germany D-ACRQ






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Re: question for the use on a real tower
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2008, 06:38:36 AM »
Yes, they are in it, its also a Saab 340 from OLT, but still its not worth it if you can only spot 8 ACF a week and maybe some businessjets. I get a handover from radar anyway, so I guess I have to stick to the binoculars...

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Re: question for the use on a real tower
« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2008, 08:00:28 AM »
I picked up 2 of the aircraft in the list, one Saab 2000 and one CRJ2.  Neither of these was giving position information and they only appeared in the aircraft list.  Also, neither was showing Flight ID, so I presume that they only have basic Mode S.  I would guess that the rest of the feet has the same fit.

I'll look for the Saab 340, but it sounds like RadarBox isn't going to work at the airport, although it's still great fun to see all the other aircraft :-)

Maybe you need to speak to the aircraft operators and see if they have any plans to upgrade to Enhanced Mode S with position information?