Route

[Alitalia]

Hi guys!
i have a small question : on "my flights"I have very very few flights with the route indicated...it's normal???
Thanks in advance
Patrizio

[malc41]

Patrizio

The routes are only shown when a callsign e.g BAW001 is also shown

[DaveReid]

The routes are only shown when a callsign e.g BAW001 is also shown

And (currently) callsigns aren't shown for non-ADS-B aircraft.

[dudbaker]

Some non ADS-B aircraft show callsign   

AE284D  DEUCE11                                                     2009/05/14 19:08:45 
   AE2817  GRIM11                                                      2009/05/14 18:59:25 
   AE2863  GATOR21                                                     2009/05/14 13:01:35 
   AE2B4E  ID                                                          2009/05/14 09:18:05 
   AE286D  REAPR11                                                     2009/05/14 18:37:15 
   AE2803  DEATH21                                                     2009/05/14 18:48:33 
  AE286F  REAPR14                                                     2009/05/14 09:10:22 
  B1AB5E  DARK31                                                      2009/05/14 09:25:23 
  B1A78D  MUGER110                                                    2009/05/14 16:38:04 
  48D84C  BLXC SAA                                                    2009/05/14 19:07:14 
   AE0818  RCH0182                  00-0182 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/05/14 4 
   AE10B5  RCH1186                  01-0186 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/05/14
   AE178F  RUMBL21                  01-2001 F15E  USA - Air Force      2009/05/14
   AE1174  RCH2102                  02-1102 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/05/14 17:10:55 
   AE1177  RCH2105                  02-1105 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/05/14 0
   AE1178  RCH2106                  02-1106 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/05/14
   AE117A  RCH0185                  02-1108 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/05/14
   AE117B  E21109                   02-1109 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/05/14
   AE1197  E33114                   03-3114 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/05/14
   AE1198  E33115                   03-3115 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/05/14
   AE119D  RCH3120                  03-3120 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/05/14
   AE1234  RCH3123                  03-3123 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/05/14 
   AE1242  RCH024                   04-4137 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/05/14
   AE145B  RCH399                   06-6157 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/05/14
   C2B3EB  CFC3633                  177703  C17   Canada - Air Force   2009/05/14
   AE0686  KOO05                    60-0328 K35R  USA - Air Force      2009/05/14 1
   AE1265  HKY622                   62-1835 C130  USA - Air Force      2009/05/14 1
   AE07B6  QID26                    62-3519 K35R  USA - Air Force      2009/05/14 2
   AE066D  QID10                    62-3565 K35R  USA - Air Force      2009/05/14 2
   AE12DC  HKY20                    63-7792 C130  USA - Air Force      2009/05/14
   AE048A  GOLD78                   63-8008 K35R  USA - Air Force      2009/05/14   
   AE014C  QID11                    63-8025 K35R  USA - Air Force      2009/05/14 1
   AE01C9  HAWG95                   64-14841 R135  USA - Air Force      2009/05/14
   AE01B3  BURSA40                  84-0110 LJ35  USA - Air Force      2009/05/14 1
   AE01B4  HOOK63                   84-0111 LJ35  USA - Air Force      2009/05/14 1
   AE07E3  RCH192                   94-0069 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/05/14 1
   AE07EA  RCH106                   95-0107 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/05/14 1
   AE17BE  HOWLR12                  98-0134 F15E  USA - Air Force      2009/05/14
   AE0806  RCH292                   99-0060 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/05/14
   AE0807  B  H                     99-0061 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/05/14 
  43C0A5  RRR 9202                 XR808   VC10  UK - Air Force       2009/05/14   
   43C0A7  RRR2108                  XV105   VC10  UK - Air Force       2009/05/14 0
   43C0A8  RRR2062                  XV107   VC10  UK - Air Force       2009/05/14 1
   43C12D  RRR  673                 XV221   C130  UK - Air Force       2009/05/14   
   43C204  KRF17                    ZD704   H25B  UK - Air Force 32... 2009/05/14   
   43C1C1  ISE32HC                  ZD950   L101  UK - Air Force       2009/05/14
   43C09C  ASTOR2                   ZJ691   GLEX  UK - Air Force       2009/05/14
   43C174  ISF04EE                  ZZ174   C17   UK - Air Force 99... 2009/05/14

Dudley

[DaveReid]

Some non ADS-B aircraft show callsign 

Apologies - what I should have said is that only aircraft that have 1090 Extended Squitter (aka "ADS-B-out") currently show Flight IDs on RadarBox.  They don't actually need to be sending ADS-B position, indeed most military aircraft don't, just the Aircraft Identification squitter.

I understand that will change with V2.10 such that any responses to a Flight ID interrogation from a ground radar will also show up in RB, unlike at present.

[malc41]

And we can't wait for it ;-)

[tarbat]

I understand that will change with V2.10 such that any responses to a Flight ID interrogation from a ground radar will also show up in RB, unlike at present.

Correct.  For example, my log from yesterday shows many many FlightIDs for most aircraft.  That's with a v2.10 test system.  See log at http://www.tarbat.gofreeserve.com/data.html

Also its interesting to see that most FlightIDs give a recognised Route.  Interesting one today:

Flight ID   Route      Type   Airline
FNY55B3   EGQK-LFTW   FA10   Hungary - Air Force

[malc41]

Tarbat

Stop it please, it not fair ;-)

[DaveReid]

Also its interesting to see that most FlightIDs give a recognised Route.  Interesting one today:
Flight ID   Route      Type   Airline
FNY55B3   EGQK-LFTW   FA10   Hungary - Air Force

I'd be extremely dubious about a route derived from a military Flight ID.   The Falcon in question is based at LFRJ, looks like it came north early this morning and returned south around 10:00.

The fact that the operator is incorrect doesn't inspire confidence, either...

[tarbat]

Stop it please, it not fair ;-)

Sorry.  It shouldn't be long to wait now.

I'd be extremely dubious about a route derived from a military Flight ID.   The Falcon in question is based at LFRJ, looks like it came north early this morning and returned south around 10:00.

Yes, as with anything, you have to look carefully and a apply a resonableness test.  For example, just had JCB's corporate jet on screen, G-JCBB, showing a Flight ID of JCB1, route LIML to EGWU.  Milan to Northolt is unlikely to pass over the highlands of Scotland!!

[malc41]

Another GPS problem?

[DaveReid]

Another GPS problem?

Hopefully not  :-)

It's simply the consequence of blindly stuffing flightplan-derived routes into a lookup database without stopping to think whether the operator concerned is actually in the business of flying repetitive scheduled services.

In the case of an airline, the answer is probably yes, provided care is taken to exclude maintenance and positioning flights.

In the cases above - a military air arm (French Navy) and a corporate operator (JCB) - you don't have to be a genius to work out that they make up flight numbers as they go along and you can't reliably translate those into routes.

[malc41]

Dave

Understand, like was said you have to treat any information with a slight amount of suspicion until confirmed or at least seems reasonable