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neroon79

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Re: Airnav radar box ranges and advice
« Reply #45 on: July 15, 2015, 06:00:28 PM »
Hi Ian,

do you use a preamp or is it a cable connection only setup?

Ingo
Greetings from northern Germany, Ingo
11.75nm ESE of EDDV

SW: ANRB v5.00.072/6.01.001 on WIN10 64Bit Pro&Home
HW:
Ant.: DPD Productions ADS-B Vertical Outdoor Base Antenna
AMP: Kuhne electr. KU LNA 1090 A TM
Cable: 25m of ECOFLEX 15+
NB: Asus P53E 24/7 op.
PC: 28"4K + 24" Monitor
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Re: Airnav radar box ranges and advice
« Reply #46 on: July 15, 2015, 06:03:20 PM »
Ingo,

It's purely a cable connection only.


Ian

neroon79

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Re: Airnav radar box ranges and advice
« Reply #47 on: July 15, 2015, 06:22:31 PM »
Good, sometimes these LNAs (LowNoiseAmplifier)becoming HNAs ("HighNoiseAmplifier") if they are getting too hot.

No water and rust is very good. Unfortunately  fretting problems caused by micro-movements can't be determined by bare eye. Good thing is: in many cases disconnecting and re-connecting solves the problem for some time. In the long term at some  point disconnecting re-connecting won't help anymore for fretting issues. But usually we are talking about years here.

Another point is,  that the problem can be buried at the crimping point of the cable. In this case looking in the cable connectors won't unveil the problem.

Ingo
Greetings from northern Germany, Ingo
11.75nm ESE of EDDV

SW: ANRB v5.00.072/6.01.001 on WIN10 64Bit Pro&Home
HW:
Ant.: DPD Productions ADS-B Vertical Outdoor Base Antenna
AMP: Kuhne electr. KU LNA 1090 A TM
Cable: 25m of ECOFLEX 15+
NB: Asus P53E 24/7 op.
PC: 28"4K + 24" Monitor
AirSpy mini @RPi3

CYYZGUY

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Re: Airnav radar box ranges and advice
« Reply #48 on: July 16, 2015, 11:14:51 AM »
Remember, amplifiers also boost unwanted noise as well.  I have a gut feeling that a lot of radarbox failures could be caused by these amplifiers....

Best investment is in GOOD cable, in North America it's LMR400 low loss.  You don't need an amplifier...when I was living in my apartment, I had a run of 90 Feet LMR 400 cable going from my apartment to the roof, and I had next to no loss, and was getting incredible range.  It's all about the cable, antenna and connections....


Jason
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Re: Airnav radar box ranges and advice
« Reply #49 on: July 16, 2015, 02:56:31 PM »
Guys,

During the day (currently it's 38C here) the RB is picking up the Mode S signals ok but the corresponding ADSB signal isn't being picked up until the aircraft is about 40-50 miles away. It's also timing out around the same distance away. Later on when it's a bit cooler the distances appear greater for picking up the ADSB signals.

Roll on the winter !

Ian

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Re: Airnav radar box ranges and advice
« Reply #50 on: July 16, 2015, 03:18:51 PM »
Give support a call for their advice

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neroon79

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Re: Airnav radar box ranges and advice
« Reply #51 on: July 16, 2015, 05:16:43 PM »
Some words about the use of amplifiers:

- If you are planing to use one you should know what you are doing. Amps can cause more damage as giving you a benefit. If you aren't sure ask somebody who knows what he is doing.

- Amps are indeed boosting noise too, but high quality LNAs (quite to awful expensive) are boosting the noise many times less than the signal. That way, signals which were below the receivers threshold without the amplifier get receiveable after the amp is installed.

- The Amp must match up with the signal strenght after the antenna, the used cable type and lenght and the receivers threshold levels. If you are using a high gain antenna (e.g. 10db) at a very short (10m/30ft) ultra low attenuation cable (e.g. LM400 or Ecoflex 15+) the amp will overdrive the receiver. That will result in a decrease of reception range or -worst case- will cause damage to the receiver.

- If you are planning to receive narrow band signals use narrow band amps that are designed to only amplify the frequency of the particular signal. In areas with many other HF transmissions an improvement of signalquality may be achieved by the use of narrowband amplifier as other fequencys get attenuated by these amplifiers.

- Although it might be possible to run one receiver at a high gain antenna with 65ft (or 100ft) of Ecoflex 15+ cable, it might be neccessary to install an amplifier, if you are planing to  run more than one receiver simultaniously at the same antenna (cable).

- Amplifiers usually need DC supply voltages (e.g. 12V DC) that is usually transmitted via the coaxial cable. Make sure, that you use AC/DC power supplies with low EMI. Further it is a good idea to use single soltage supplys with a good current reserve. e.g. If the amp needs 100mA don't use supplies that can delivery 100mA or 250mA, but use supplys that can deliver at least 500mA or better 1000mA. The reason is better life time of the supply and lower rest ripple voltage on the dc voltage.

Regards Ingo
Greetings from northern Germany, Ingo
11.75nm ESE of EDDV

SW: ANRB v5.00.072/6.01.001 on WIN10 64Bit Pro&Home
HW:
Ant.: DPD Productions ADS-B Vertical Outdoor Base Antenna
AMP: Kuhne electr. KU LNA 1090 A TM
Cable: 25m of ECOFLEX 15+
NB: Asus P53E 24/7 op.
PC: 28"4K + 24" Monitor
AirSpy mini @RPi3

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Re: Airnav radar box ranges and advice
« Reply #52 on: July 19, 2015, 09:39:35 PM »
Hi guys I am currently getting about 198nm from my location on the tip of thanet in kent. Great over europe but not very good in the north of uk. I have noticed that the areal that is only about 8/10 inches in size is being slightly obscured buy my chimney, hence not getting much in the uk. Am going onto roof tomorrow weather permitting to alter this. will let you know if this increases my range .

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Re: Airnav radar box ranges and advice
« Reply #53 on: July 20, 2015, 12:52:18 AM »
Just watch what you are doing up there.

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Re: Airnav radar box ranges and advice
« Reply #54 on: July 25, 2015, 04:43:32 AM »
Like the chipman in Thanet  I live in kent near orpington had my aieral put in the roof in getting 233 miles was my best distance  from my location to the North I get Liverpool  west wales Bristol channel  Celtic bay Devon Cornwall  france and Belgium  to the east to the wash and up to hull
I use a slim Jim pre am my average distance for this month has been 209 miles

acars45

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Re: Airnav radar box ranges and advice
« Reply #55 on: July 25, 2015, 05:18:26 AM »
Also on my radar box on my old aieral I was getting about 60 flights
On my screen so far the most I had is 254 at one time
Yesterday Friday I got about 198
Question can the weather affect ranges ?

neroon79

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Re: Airnav radar box ranges and advice
« Reply #56 on: July 25, 2015, 05:29:28 AM »
Heavy rain and extreme heat can have direct effects for weak transponders. But these changes in range are marginal.
Extremely heavy waether can cause route diverting, that can reduce or increase the number of airframes passing your range.

Ingo
Greetings from northern Germany, Ingo
11.75nm ESE of EDDV

SW: ANRB v5.00.072/6.01.001 on WIN10 64Bit Pro&Home
HW:
Ant.: DPD Productions ADS-B Vertical Outdoor Base Antenna
AMP: Kuhne electr. KU LNA 1090 A TM
Cable: 25m of ECOFLEX 15+
NB: Asus P53E 24/7 op.
PC: 28"4K + 24" Monitor
AirSpy mini @RPi3

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Re: Airnav radar box ranges and advice
« Reply #57 on: July 25, 2015, 06:27:39 AM »
Question the ranges in getting 209-233 is that good

neroon79

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Re: Airnav radar box ranges and advice
« Reply #58 on: July 25, 2015, 06:39:16 AM »
Yes, as the range @ 1090MHz is almost 100% line of sight. With  absolutely flat terrain the range depends on the hight of the antenna above ground level and the flight level of the received airframe. An antenna mounted on a 2m pole on a two level house could roughly guessed deliver ranges of 240nm by 250 nm. You can calculate the theoretical range if you in love with trigonometry...

Ingo
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Greetings from northern Germany, Ingo
11.75nm ESE of EDDV

SW: ANRB v5.00.072/6.01.001 on WIN10 64Bit Pro&Home
HW:
Ant.: DPD Productions ADS-B Vertical Outdoor Base Antenna
AMP: Kuhne electr. KU LNA 1090 A TM
Cable: 25m of ECOFLEX 15+
NB: Asus P53E 24/7 op.
PC: 28"4K + 24" Monitor
AirSpy mini @RPi3

acars45

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Re: Airnav radar box ranges and advice
« Reply #59 on: July 27, 2015, 01:49:28 PM »
Today's it taming and windy in kent in getting about 160 miles
Not the usually 200 +