Only one photo downloading

[prbflight]

Although I have the option ticked to download two photo's my RadarBox has only been downloading one all evening.  Has anyone else noticed this?  Has something changed on your end AirNav?

Paul@cyyb

[tarbat]

Confirmed, have the same problem here.  Two new aircraft this morning, each with only one photo - EI-EMM and G-FBKD.

Looks like this problem might have started YESTERDAY:



EDIT: Suggest this needs an URGENT fix, as it's also putting rubbish into fields PT2/LK2:

[bratters]

Although I have the option ticked to download two photo's my RadarBox has only been downloading one all evening.  Has anyone else noticed this?  Has something changed on your end AirNav?

Paul@cyyb

Confirmed here.

[Bob SEN]

And again here............

[AirNav Support]

We are taking a look at this.

[ACW367]

The thumbnail for the first picture is also still always corrupted.
http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?q=d-abkp
Just downloaded 3C4970 D-ABKP

In my NAVDATA it now shows
PT Jens Mattner
LK http://www.airliners.net/photo/Air-Berlin/Boeing-737-86J/1822909/L/
PT2 Air Berlin
LK2 Jens Mattner

From our updater the latter should instead be
PT2 Jens Mattner
LK2 http://www.airliners.net/photo/Air-Berlin/Boeing-737-86J/1834452/L/

IE we have the two latest photos of the Air Berlin 737 selected in updater.

However the thumbnail that downloaded to my system was actually the thumbnail for ANET image 1810070 IE the thumbnail was NONE of the above and was generated by my own box doing a 'most popular' search of ANet independently of the server.  This happens every single time.  The thumbnail rarely matches the link that is the one that it is supposed to download.  Luckily this time it was another pic of the AB 737, but due to the randomness of this search for a thumbnail, it could easily have also been one of the many pics of the Lufthansa 727.

[AirNav Development]

We are checking this now.

[tarbat]

However the thumbnail that downloaded to my system was actually the thumbnail for ANET image 1810070 IE the thumbnail was NONE of the above and was generated by my own box doing a 'most popular' search of ANet independently of the server.

Thumbnails come directly from the Airnav server, NOT from your own box doing searches of airliners.net.

So, for the one you quoted as an example:
http://www.airnavsystems.com/cgi-bin/ANLV_SV/Photo/D-ABKP.jpg
http://www.airnavsystems.com/cgi-bin/ANLV_SV/Photo/D-ABKP,2.jpg

To get a different thumbnail, Airnav will need to change their server routines to retrieve a different image from airliners.net to create the thumbnail images.

[ACW367]

Tarbat et all

OK so it appears to be entirely server driven, but it reinforces my point.  The server thumbnail does not match in any way the server links and hasn't done since V2.0.

Lets try G-EUUA
Server links in DB updater that also download as links to Navdata
PT Giovanni Verbeeck
LK http://www.airliners.net/photo/British-Airways/Airbus-A320-232/1538244/L/
PT2 Tommy Desmet
LK2 http://www.airliners.net/photo/British-Airways/Airbus-A320-232/1475360/L

Now the Airnav thumbnail links for the same aircraft should be image 1538244 and image 1475360 I am sure you would agree.

http://www.airnavsystems.com/cgi-bin/ANLV_SV/Photo/G-EUUA.jpg
image 1866032

http://www.airnavsystems.com/cgi-bin/ANLV_SV/Photo/G-EUUA,2.jpg - image 1687757

Lets go for one of the mil number ones 381C3B 27 Falcon 50 (PS this is the only hex in the entire updater with the distinct registration '27', so there is no way the server could be confusing hexes whilst trying to resolve photos)

Server links
LK http://www.airliners.net/photo/France---Air/Dassault-Falcon-50/1745581/L/
LK2 http://www.airliners.net/photo/France---Air/Dassault-Falcon-50/1323235/L/

Server Thumbnails
http://www.airnavsystems.com/cgi-bin/ANLV_SV/Photo/27.jpg - image 1677720 a HunAF Mig-29

http://www.airnavsystems.com/cgi-bin/ANLV_SV/Photo/27,2.jpg - Image 1787219 A Hungarian Mil-4!!

Now can you see that the server provides users with good links that match the ones from our updater, but then it ignores them and provides two completely seperate and often wrong thumbnails.  The thumbnails should be 100% tied to the links.  

If you double click on any displayed thumbnail on your box is will open an ANet page.  This will be the ANet page for the photo which matches the Navdata link.  It will have no bearing to the photo thumbnail that you double clicked.

[tarbat]

In my personal opinion, I would rather the links were to the aircraft registrations page.  This is what I do with my GAS import routines, creating LK and LK2 fields as follows:
LK = http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?regsearch=G-EUUA
LK2 = http://www.airframes.org/reg/geuua

[ACW367]

Tarbat
I believe it is the way it is because of the ANet T&Cs.  ANet photos are not free to use.  You must either use links or individually gain permission from the photographer. Airnav chooses the former option
http://www.airliners.net/usephotos/



"You may not use these photos on any web page, commercial or non-commercial, for profit or non-profit, without written permission from the photographer. You may however link to the photos in the manner described below."

"Finally, we ask that you mention Airliners.net where and when you use photos originally found on our site, whatever agreement you have with the photographer. It doesn't need to be big, just a small mention in whatever way you choose. As you might have realized by now, we do not make any money from selling photos, everything goes directly to the individual photographer. Our only form of "income" is your help in spreading the word about our website. Please respect that."

The Airnav software shows the thumbnail but credits the photo to the Anet photographer (PT fields) and links to the full size photo (LK fields) from the thumbnail.  If you hover over a thumbnail it says 'Photo copyright by .......... Powered by Airliners.net'.  

Of course at the moment the credited photographer is not the photographer from the thumbnail but of the background link.  The photographer of the thumbnail therefore goes uncredited due to the bug.

[tarbat]

So, who is responsible for generating the thumbnails on the Airnav server when the database team update the LK and LK2 fields?  Is this the responsibility of the database team, or some automated process on the Airnav server?

It's obvious that the thumbnails do NOT currently relate to the LK and LK2 links, so that presumably breaks the T&Cs at airliners.net anyway.

And the thumbnails displayed in MyLog provide no copyright information, nor do they credit the photographer.

[ACW367]

So, who is responsible for generating the thumbnails on the Airnav server when the database team update the LK and LK2 fields?  Is this the responsibility of the database team, or some automated process on the Airnav server?

It's obvious that the thumbnails do NOT currently relate to the LK and LK2 links, so that presumably breaks the T&Cs at airliners.net anyway.

And the thumbnails displayed in MyLog provide no copyright information, nor do they credit the photographer.

Correct.  It remains a bug.  No human has any input to the selection of thumbnails (and hasn't ever) which is what I have been telling airnav for months.  Hopefully now they will finally listen.

[ACW367]

Hopefully now those here and in other places will realise that every displayed thumbnail including those of museum aircraft, cockpit shots etc are not within the hands of any updater, airnav programmer etc.  But are entirely produced by some automated Airnav server routine that ignores all human input from the updater DB and does not meet ANet T&Cs.

Put simply its not us and has never been us updaters. Our hard work is ignored by the servers. 

[tarbat]

Correct.  It remains a bug.  No human has any input to the selection of thumbnails (and hasn't ever) which is what I have been telling airnav for months.  Hopefully now they will finally listen.

So why on earth would anyone in the database update team be willing to update the LK and LK2 fields if they know that the thumbnails will be out of sync, thus breaking airliner.net T&Cs.  Madness (in my opinion).  Sorry if that sounds harsh.