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jannuh

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Question abt. RB Log
« on: October 09, 2009, 12:32:57 PM »
Since several days the RB Log, sent by email at 00:00z is growing since same flights are multiple times in the log, best I'll show it:

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  AE11F8  SPAR76                   02-0042 B73B  USA - Air Force      2009/10/08 03:51:30
  AE117B  RCH2109                  02-1109 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/10/08 16:22:01
  AE117C  RCH2110                  02-1110 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/10/08 06:53:51
  AE1196  RCH874                   03-3113 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/10/08 12:56:16
  AE1198  RCH HD 2                 03-3115 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/10/08 10:56:58
  AE1198  RCH HD 2                 03-3115 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/10/08 10:58:32
  AE1198  RCH HD 2                 03-3115 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/10/08 10:58:57
  AE1198  RCH HD 2                 03-3115 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/10/08 10:59:06
  AE1198  RCH HD 2                 03-3115 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/10/08 11:00:58
  AE1198  RCH HD 2                 03-3115 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/10/08 11:01:27
  AE1198  RCH HD 2                 03-3115 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/10/08 11:01:58
  AE1198  RCH HD 2                 03-3115 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/10/08 11:02:11
  AE1198  RCH HD 2                 03-3115 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/10/08 11:02:27
  AE1198  RCH HD 2                 03-3115 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/10/08 11:02:59
  AE1198  RCH HD 2                 03-3115 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/10/08 11:03:30
  AE1198  RCH HD 2                 03-3115 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/10/08 11:03:49
  AE1198  RCH HD 2                 03-3115 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/10/08 11:03:59
  AE1198  RCH HD 2                 03-3115 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/10/08 11:04:39
  AE1198  RCH HD 2                 03-3115 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/10/08 11:04:59
  AE1198  RCH HD 2                 03-3115 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/10/08 11:05:50
  AE1198  RCH HD 2                 03-3115 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/10/08 11:07:01
  AE1198  RCH HD 2                 03-3115 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/10/08 11:07:35
  AE1198  RCH HD 2                 03-3115 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/10/08 11:07:44
  AE1198  RCH HD 2                 03-3115 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/10/08 11:08:05
  AE1198  RCH HD 2                 03-3115 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/10/08 11:11:52
  AE1198  RCH3115                  03-3115 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/10/08 10:58:29
  AE1198  RCH3115                  03-3115 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/10/08 10:58:50
  AE1198  RCH3115                  03-3115 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/10/08 10:59:00
  AE1198  RCH3115                  03-3115 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/10/08 11:00:43
  AE1198  RCH3115                  03-3115 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/10/08 11:01:05
  AE1198  RCH3115                  03-3115 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/10/08 11:01:55
  AE1198  RCH3115                  03-3115 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/10/08 11:02:05
  AE1198  RCH3115                  03-3115 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/10/08 11:02:26
  AE1198  RCH3115                  03-3115 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/10/08 11:02:57
  AE1198  RCH3115                  03-3115 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/10/08 11:03:07
  AE1198  RCH3115                  03-3115 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/10/08 11:03:37
  AE1198  RCH3115                  03-3115 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/10/08 11:03:58
  AE1198  RCH3115                  03-3115 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/10/08 11:04:28
  AE1198  RCH3115                  03-3115 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/10/08 11:04:42
  AE1198  RCH3115                  03-3115 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/10/08 11:05:29
  AE1198  RCH3115                  03-3115 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/10/08 11:06:11
  AE1198  RCH3115                  03-3115 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/10/08 11:07:21
  AE1198  RCH3115                  03-3115 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/10/08 11:07:43
  AE1198  RCH3115                  03-3115 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/10/08 11:08:03
  AE1198  RCH3115                  03-3115 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/10/08 11:10:37
  AE123D  RCH4132                  04-4132 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/10/08 03:55:35
  AE1240  RCH279                   04-4135 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/10/08 13:04:23
  AE144E  RCH504                   05-5144 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/10/08 15:10:50
  AE1458  RCH6154                  06-6154 C17   USA - Air Force      2009/10/08 17:25:41
  AE2208  HKY81                    08-8601 ...   USA - Air Force      2009/10/08 15:38:06

Do I have some wrong settings??

Full log at:
http://www.air.middenlimburg.net/

rgrds, jannuh


edit:
example is from log 2009 oct. 08, the last one
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Re: Question abt. RB Log
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2009, 04:43:04 PM »
What version of the RB software are you using?

The only time I've seen this is when 2 x F15 aircraft kept flying in and out of my live coverage area and I got multiple 'hits' - this was with Beta V3.06.  If you look at the times in your log, there are time gaps between the 'hits'.

It is possible that these 2 C17's were flying at the edge of your live coverage?

The remainder of your log looks good, just these 2 aircraft giving the problem.
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Re: Question abt. RB Log
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2009, 05:41:37 PM »
Hi Allocator,

Using RB V3.06B (see screenshot)

Have no positions of these C17's.
As there are more flights with this behavior in my log, will look into it, choosing civ.flights, with positions.

Thanks for your reply!

rgrds, jannuh


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Re: Question abt. RB Log
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2009, 06:04:35 PM »
Here another example:
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3C4AD8  DLH403   KEWR-EDDF       D-ABVX  B744  Lufthansa            2009/10/08 04:37:38
  3C4AD8  DLH403   KEWR-EDDF       D-ABVX  B744  Lufthansa            2009/10/08 04:45:08
  3C4AD8  DLH403   KEWR-EDDF       D-ABVX  B744  Lufthansa            2009/10/08 04:46:54
  3C4AD8  DLH403U  KEWR-EDDF       D-ABVX  B744  Lufthansa            2009/10/08 04:45:05
  3C4AD8  DLH403U  KEWR-EDDF       D-ABVX  B744  Lufthansa            2009/10/08 04:45:06
  3C4AD8  DLH403U  KEWR-EDDF       D-ABVX  B744  Lufthansa            2009/10/08 04:46:51
Plane was few km. south of Liège, Belgium, which is abt. 80 km. south of my geogr.location (I receive planes for EBLG on 1200 ft.).
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Re: Question abt. RB Log
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2009, 10:27:18 AM »
Quote from: jannuh on October 09, 2009, 12:32:57 PM
Since several days the RB Log, sent by email at 00:00z is growing since same flights are multiple times in the log, best I'll show it:

Do I have some wrong settings??

This is perfectly normal behaviour.  Not a lot Radarbox can do about an aircraft that constantly changes FlightID.  The example you provide is a clear case of an aircraft with a constantly changing Flight ID - sorted by time:

RCH HD   10:56:58
RCH311   10:58:29
RCH HD   10:58:32
RCH311   10:58:50
RCH HD   10:58:57
RCH311   10:59:00
RCH HD   10:59:06
RCH311   11:00:43
RCH HD   11:00:58
RCH311   11:01:05
RCH HD   11:01:27
RCH311   11:01:55
RCH HD   11:01:58
RCH311   11:02:05
RCH HD   11:02:11
RCH311   11:02:26
RCH HD   11:02:27
RCH311   11:02:57
RCH HD   11:02:59
RCH311   11:03:07
RCH HD   11:03:30
RCH311   11:03:37
RCH HD   11:03:49
RCH311   11:03:58
RCH HD   11:03:59
RCH311   11:04:28
RCH HD   11:04:39
RCH311   11:04:42
RCH HD   11:04:59
RCH311   11:05:29
RCH HD   11:05:50
RCH311   11:06:11
RCH HD   11:07:01
RCH311   11:07:21
RCH HD   11:07:35
RCH311   11:07:43
RCH HD   11:07:44
RCH311   11:08:03
RCH HD   11:08:05
RCH311   11:10:37
RCH HD   11:11:52

Everytime a new Flight ID is used, Radarbox records that as a new flight.  Nothing wrong with that in my book.  Maybe the aircraft needs fixing!!
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Re: Question abt. RB Log
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2009, 10:35:01 AM »
Thanks for the info Tarbat!
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Re: Question abt. RB Log
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2009, 11:04:07 AM »
Quote from: tarbat on October 11, 2009, 10:27:18 AM
This is perfectly normal behaviour.  Not a lot Radarbox can do about an aircraft that constantly changes FlightID.  The example you provide is a clear case of an aircraft with a constantly changing Flight ID - sorted by time:

RCH HD   10:56:58
RCH311   10:58:29
RCH HD   10:58:32
RCH311   10:58:50
RCH HD   10:58:57
RCH311   10:59:00
RCH HD   10:59:06
RCH311   11:00:43
RCH HD   11:00:58
RCH311   11:01:05
RCH HD   11:01:27
RCH311   11:01:55
RCH HD   11:01:58
RCH311   11:02:05
RCH HD   11:02:11
RCH311   11:02:26
RCH HD   11:02:27
RCH311   11:02:57
RCH HD   11:02:59
RCH311   11:03:07
RCH HD   11:03:30
RCH311   11:03:37
RCH HD   11:03:49
RCH311   11:03:58
RCH HD   11:03:59
RCH311   11:04:28
RCH HD   11:04:39
RCH311   11:04:42
RCH HD   11:04:59
RCH311   11:05:29
RCH HD   11:05:50
RCH311   11:06:11
RCH HD   11:07:01
RCH311   11:07:21
RCH HD   11:07:35
RCH311   11:07:43
RCH HD   11:07:44
RCH311   11:08:03
RCH HD   11:08:05
RCH311   11:10:37
RCH HD   11:11:52

Everytime a new Flight ID is used, Radarbox records that as a new flight.  Nothing wrong with that in my book.  Maybe the aircraft needs fixing!!

That's interesting.  I had 03-3115/AE1198 on my box 1109-1131z on 08/10, but during all of that time it only registered the "RCH HD 2" Flight ID.

In fact I've never encountered a C-17 that exhibits the constantly-changing-callsign problem that seems to affect some B744s (nor indeed have I ever seen D-ABVX with this issue either).

I think we need to look a bit further for the explanation in these two cases.
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Re: Question abt. RB Log
« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2009, 11:07:02 AM »
Quote from: DaveReid on October 11, 2009, 11:04:07 AM

That's interesting.  I had 03-3115/AE1198 on my box 1109-1131z on 08/10, but during all of that time it only registered the "RCH HD 2" Flight ID.

I think we need to look a bit further for the explanation in these two cases.

Comparing the bit pattern for the two IDs should allow you to work out if somehow the two cases are separated by a missing bit perhaps?
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Re: Question abt. RB Log
« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2009, 11:25:21 AM »
Quote from: Fenris on October 11, 2009, 11:07:02 AM
Comparing the bit pattern for the two IDs should allow you to work out if somehow the two cases are separated by a missing bit perhaps?

Well the issue was that the same aircraft was apparently sending Flight IDs "RCH HD 2" (actually "RCH@HD 2", although the "@" doesn't show in RB logs) and "RCH3115".

The corresponding bit patterns are:

010010 000011 001000 000000 001000 000100 100000 110010
010010 000011 001000 110011 110001 110001 110101 000000

Other than the first three (RCH) being the same, not a lot of resemblance there ...

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Re: Question abt. RB Log
« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2009, 11:42:41 AM »
Quote from: DaveReid on October 11, 2009, 11:04:07 AM
That's interesting.  I had 03-3115/AE1198 on my box 1109-1131z on 08/10, but during all of that time it only registered the "RCH HD 2" Flight ID.

Lots of reports on http://www.live-military-mode-s.eu/ of this aircraft using these FlightIDs on that day:
RCH3115
RCH HD 2
RCH@HD 2
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Re: Question abt. RB Log
« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2009, 12:07:04 PM »
Another example (ordered on timeorder):
   88002E  THA930   VTBS-LFPG       HS-TGX  B744  Thai Airways Inte... 2009/10/10 04:14:19
   88002E  THA930 Z VTBS-LFPG       HS-TGX  B744  Thai Airways Inte... 2009/10/10 04:27:11
   88002E  THA930 Z VTBS-LFPG       HS-TGX  B744  Thai Airways Inte... 2009/10/10 04:27:11
   88002E  THA930   VTBS-LFPG       HS-TGX  B744  Thai Airways Inte... 2009/10/10 04:27:20
   88002E  THA930   VTBS-LFPG       HS-TGX  B744  Thai Airways Inte... 2009/10/10 04:27:20
   88002E  THA HA93 VTBS-LFPG       HS-TGX  B744  Thai Airways Inte... 2009/10/10 04:30:33
   88002E  THA930   VTBS-LFPG       HS-TGX  B744  Thai Airways Inte... 2009/10/10 04:31:12
   88002E  THA930   VTBS-LFPG       HS-TGX  B744  Thai Airways Inte... 2009/10/10 04:31:12 
   88002E  THA930   VTBS-LFPG       HS-TGX  B744  Thai Airways Inte... 2009/10/10 04:31:13
   88002E  THA930   VTBS-LFPG       HS-TGX  B744  Thai Airways Inte... 2009/10/10 04:31:13     
   88002E  THA HA93 VTBS-LFPG       HS-TGX  B744  Thai Airways Inte... 2009/10/10 04:32:58   
   88002E  THA930   VTBS-LFPG       HS-TGX  B744  Thai Airways Inte... 2009/10/10 04:33:33 
 

 
   88002E  THA931   LFPG-VTBS       HS-TGX  B744  Thai Airways Inte... 2009/10/10 12:16:34
   88002E  THA9HA93 LFPG-VTBS       HS-TGX  B744  Thai Airways Inte... 2009/10/10 12:20:43 
   88002E  THA931   LFPG-VTBS       HS-TGX  B744  Thai Airways Inte... 2009/10/10 12:20:50
   88002E  THA9HA93 LFPG-VTBS       HS-TGX  B744  Thai Airways Inte... 2009/10/10 12:21:20
   88002E  THA931   LFPG-VTBS       HS-TGX  B744  Thai Airways Inte... 2009/10/10 12:21:25 
   88002E  THA9HA93 LFPG-VTBS       HS-TGX  B744  Thai Airways Inte... 2009/10/10 12:21:34 
   88002E  THA9HA93 LFPG-VTBS       HS-TGX  B744  Thai Airways Inte... 2009/10/10 12:21:35
   88002E  THA931   LFPG-VTBS       HS-TGX  B744  Thai Airways Inte... 2009/10/10 12:22:10 
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Re: Question abt. RB Log
« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2009, 12:11:37 PM »
jannuh,

This is all aircraft issues, if they send out different flights ids due to a fault there side we can't do anything about it :)
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Re: Question abt. RB Log
« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2009, 12:40:36 PM »
Quote from: AirNav Support on October 11, 2009, 12:11:37 PM
This is all aircraft issues, if they send out different flights ids due to a fault there side we can't do anything about it

Quite so - see my post above re B744s, which is the type mostly affected by this issue.  It only shows up on certain airframes, of which HS-TGX is one.
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« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2009, 01:09:10 PM »
Quote from: AirNav Support on October 11, 2009, 12:11:37 PM
jannuh,

This is all aircraft issues, if they send out different flights ids due to a fault there side we can't do anything about it :)
Tarbat had already stated that.
Wanted just to let see that also some civ. flights are involved...
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