Loganair aircraft - Flight ID Missing

[tarbat]

Thanks Dave, that helps.  Just one more question, to help my understanding.

So, these Loganair aircraft are transmitting "Identification & Category" messages, and for whatever reason, ANRB doesn't process these.

But what type of message are military aircraft putting out that do get processed by ANRB?  I'm trying to understand why all the military aircraft display callsigns okay, whereas these Loganair aircraft don't.  Do the military aircraft transmit a different type of callsign message?

[DaveReid]

Thanks Dave, that helps.  Just one more question, to help my understanding.

So, these Loganair aircraft are transmitting "Identification & Category" messages, and for whatever reason, ANRB doesn't process these.

But what type of message are military aircraft putting out that do get processed by ANRB?  I'm trying to understand why all the military aircraft display callsigns okay, whereas these Loganair aircraft don't.  Do the military aircraft transmit a different type of callsign message?

Format Types 1-4 are all ES Identification and Category messages, the difference being that each uses a different set of Category codes (the 3 bits following the Format Type).  Format Type 4 is the most commonly used, but I've seen occasional examples of the others.

Could it be that RadarBox only decodes some, but not all, of those Format Types, and that Loganair use one of the formats that isn't ?

Any comment, AirNav ?

[AirNav Support]

The formats are being decoded but there may be issue about them being displayed in the software.

We will rectify it, it has been listed as a priority bug/issue for the next release.

[tarbat]

Thanks Airnav.  Good to hear that this is a priority, I suspect it's affecting aircraft other than Loganair, so it will probably benefit most users for this to be fixed.

[tarbat]

Sorry to be impatient, but is there any update on when this bug will be fixed?  It's becoming a real problem, with several local airlines not displaying the flight ID.  This is the ONE area where your competitor's product has a significant advantage, in that the SBS-1 displays these flight IDs correctly.

This morning we had both an SBS-1 and Radarbox running alongside, and found all the following airlines affected by this bug - they show flight IDs on the SBS-1, but not on the Radarbox:

BMI Regional
G-RJXL BMA683

Flybe
G-JECJ BEE202

Netjets Europe
CS-DMD NJE4GD

Delta Airlines
N152DL DAL

Loganair
G-LGNA LOG992
G-LGNC LOG821S
G-LGND LOG772
G-LGNF LOG921I
G-LGNG LOG808
G-LGNJ LOG954G
G-LGTI SHT2935

Highland Airways
G-UIST HWY4C
G-FARA HWY109

This bug must have been introduced in v1.4 or later, since this was definately working okay back in February this year - see http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=461.msg3349#msg3349

[AirNav Support]

Don't worry Tarbat it is being worked on and is high priority fix.

[tarbat]

AirNav Support, has there been any progress on fixing this bug?  Do you have a release date for the beta test?

It's really important to me that I can track the Flight ID's of my wife's flights on Loganair (now Flybe).  I can't believe that I'm even thinking about getting an SBS-1 so I can track these Flight IDs.

[AirNav Support]

Hi Tarbat,

You already mentioned this in a post a few days ago. The timeline of any patch is mentioned in there.

[tarbat]

No timeline was mentioned, just the statement:
"All of the above have been investigated and only two remains to be fixed. We are always playing with new betas internally so rest assured development and fixes are going on."

My wife starts her new flight schedule on Loganair (Flybe) mid-December, and I'd really like to see her Flight IDs being displayed by then.  Is that a likely timescale for fixing this bug?

[AirNav Support]

We hope to have a patch release out for the end of the year or a beta.

[mdobuk21]

just to add i never receive flights id`s from city airlines,loganiair, bmi erj145/135, eastern airways,flybe etc etc, alos i have noticed on sbs1 reports usaf kc135 based t mildenhall use quid as flight id but i never get the id on radarbox! just my bit!!

mark

[CoastGuardJon]

We hope to have a patch release out for the end of the year or a beta.

Could it be a useful suggestion to let tarbat beta test (if willing) these patches.........?

[Tailwinds]

We hope to have a patch release out for the end of the year or a beta.

When this patch is ready for release, how will we know about it? I mean, which section of the forum do updates from Airnav usually get posted?

Thanks.

[RodBearden]

Don't worry, Tailwinds - you can't miss it - there's always lots of forum activity at those times :-)

Rod

[AirNav Support]

It will be in main discussion and anyone signed up to the forum will be emailed.