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AirNav RadarBox and RadarBox24.com => AirNav RadarBox and RadarBox24.com Discussion => Topic started by: AirNav Development on December 02, 2015, 03:49:06 AM
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Hi
We are preparing the release of V6.00 of the RadarBox Windows software.
It will be open to anyone with a valid RadarBox24 username/password and will enable the connection of RTL-SDR dongles.
If you have a RTL-SDR dongle and want to be a beta tester please send us an email to [email protected]
All the best!
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Email sent. It will be good to get back up and running with Radarbox, as my existing RB hardware now has an intermittent fault :(
So I can prepare, are you using RTL1090 or Dump1090?
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What about wee pour souls with the original Radarbox
are we to be abandoned and discarded or will 6.0 work with an original radarbox
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I would imagine that it is V5.00.72 designed to work with a stick with no other changes but will find out
Alan
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Hi Alan,
I can confirm, that V6.00.000 works with old Hardware too.
Following hierarchy seems to be applied:
1. RBCS (Radarbox Comstation, currently buggy bahaviour)
2. MicroRB ([Any] SDR DVB-T Dongle that works with alternative ZADIG Driver can be used, I haven't tested, what happens if ZADIG Driver isn't installed, I have noticed a problem with Ground speed (GS) display)
3. RBCL (Radarbox Classic Hardware)
After migrating to Win10 Pro I have this hierachy:
1. MicroRB ([Any] SDR DVB-T Dongle that works with alternative ZADIG Driver can be used, I haven't tested, what happens if ZADIG Driver isn't installed, I have noticed a problem with Ground speed (GS) display)
2. RBCS (Radarbox Comstation, currently buggy bahaviour)
3. RBCL (Radarbox Classic Hardware)
The rest is similar to V5.00.072 without 3D option.
Regards Ingo
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So, it doesn't need RTL1090 or Dump1090 running?
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Affirmative. Dump1090 or RTL1090 not needed for operation.
Ingo
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Good nice to know the original boxes are going to work with version 6.0
hope my antenna is still on roof after Desmond has passed
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Basestation do SBS plotter could Airnav systems do something like this for radarbox
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Not heard anything back from support. Has anyone else managed to sign-up for this beta? I was hoping to get some testing done this weekend. I have good coverage
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Okay, up and running. Thanks Airnav. Very impressed with the RTL-SDR dongle, getting much better reception, especially down to low altitudes at EGPE, below 700ft compared to over 2000ft with the Radarbox hardware.
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Does anyone have an RTL dongle that they can recommend? Or are they all pretty much the same?
I like the ones that have the SMA female adaptor.
regards,
Jason
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I too would like to know what people use, I am not very well up on these and there are quite a few out there,
cheers.
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This is what I'm using.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B009VBUYA0?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00
The important bits are the RTL2832U+R820T chipset. The R820T2 is apparently even better.
Take a look at http://www.rtl-sdr.com as well.
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Many thanks Tarbat.
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Hi,
Can somebody explain all the above.
Do we still need to use the airnav box and aerial and normal cables ?
Also is there a new box coming out seeing you can't buy the old box ?
Thanks
Mike.
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Mike
This version is intended for use with any RTL-SDR dongle which is ADSB capable
Coincidently there will also be an Airnav Produced dongle replacing the current boxes coming soon which will also use the same software.
Alan
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Hi,
Thanks for the update.
Mike.
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Hello,
I mentioned that I wanted to be a Beta tester to "[email protected]" but I have not received an answer.
I have a Radarbox with its software, and I have a dongle " http://www.nooelec.com/store/sdr/sdr-receivers/eztv645-dvb-t-usb-set-for-sdr.html " a " http://www.terratec.net/details.php?artnr=CINERGY+T-Stick+RC#.VmxpX_nhCHs " and finally a " http://rtlsdrblog.rtlsdrblog.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/widesdr2.jpg "
Best regards.
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I have also emailed them with no answer, I presume everyone is not picked to BETA test, but it would be nice to know one way or another.
One thing that does puzzle me though is why in this fast paced techno world, software / hardware updates move at such a painfully slow pace ?
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Can you please both give me your ticket ID and I will have them contact you
Alan
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The beta is freely downloadable at http://www.radarbox24.com/addcoverage
Just select Micro Radarbox and download the software.
Although note, there are some bugs in v6.00.
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Or from here: http://www.airnavsystems.com/download/ANRB/
ANRB60000Setup.exe for a new install or ANRBUpgradeto600.exe for an existing installation
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Thank
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OK,
1: Download the 6.0 beta version, and installation.
2: Software installation "RadarBox24 Data Sharing".
3: The drivers of my dongle is well recognized in the 6.0 Beta software interface.
4: As is currently the night in my area, I'll wait until morning to see what the reception will.
I use the dongle "https://www.passion-radio.com/fr/" for testing.
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That screenshot looks like the sharing client rather than the ANRBv6 beta.
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Thanks Alan / tarbat, I will download.
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Well I downloaded it and have been running it with a Keedox dongle, it recognised it and ran ok, but not as good a range as the standard hardware. Not quite sure of the point of it. There appears to be no other changes. Back to the box.
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Its intended for people who don't have a box but have a dongle as stated in the opening of the thread.
Alan
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Thanks Alan, I understand that, I just wish we could have a couple of new features thrown in, to spice up the current software, maybe soon.
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The purpose of the new RadarBox Windows software is to:
- Get data from the new RadarBox Micro RadarBox units.
- Work with the brand new RadarBox ComStation unit which is able of not only getting ADS-B data but also GPS/Audio.
- Enable login/use the software to RadarBox24.com users
It is also capable of working with general Dongles.
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Thank you.
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For information, it works.
I have not optimized the location of the antenna, but I get the signals of some aircraft. We can already confirm that this dongle "http://rtlsdrblog.rtlsdrblog.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/widesdr2.jpg" is adapted with software version 6.0 Beta Radarbox.
Screenshot here: http://www.javaradiofrance.com/gare/capture2.png
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- Work with the brand new RadarBox ComStation unit which is able of not only getting ADS-B data but also GPS/Audio.
If you need someone to beta test the ComStation with v6, I'm happy to do so as well as testing the RTL-SDR dongle.
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Before the end of the week I will test another Dongle SDR-RTL.
The more we can test different Dongle SDR-RTL, the more we will have a list of compatible hardware.
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I understand " my English is basic, I am French :-) ", a new SDR-RTL-based hardware will soon be marketing? But will have the opportunity to broadcast radio communications? If this is the case, I'll have to put money aside for a future acquisition.
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- Work with the brand new RadarBox ComStation unit which is able of not only getting ADS-B data but also GPS/Audio.quote]
" Tarbat " If you need someone to beta test the ComStation with v6, I'm happy to do so as well as testing the RTL-SDR dongle.
Me too.
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Javaradiofrance, just to confirm it is the comstation that is VHF capable. If you wish to be considered for one go to Radarbox24.com and complete the form in Increase Coverage.
Alan
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Alan, just to confirm with the Comstation, are they looking for people who can actually provide the ATC audio feeds as well? As you know, I have a large amount of scanners and have a Diamond D3000N antenna way up that allows me crystal clear CYYZ communication.
regards,
Jason
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Jason
The comstation is equipped with a scanner which picks up the VHF transmissions and streams them back.
Alan
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I have no ComStation. RadarBox using my dongle or SDR DXPatrol.
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Somehow migrating to Win10 Professional has changed the hierarchy of unit detection.
After migrating to Win10 Pro I have this hierachy:
1. MicroRB ([Any] SDR DVB-T Dongle that works with alternative ZADIG Driver can be used, I haven't tested, what happens if ZADIG Driver isn't installed, I have noticed a problem with Ground speed (GS) display)
2. RBCS (Radarbox Comstation, currently buggy bahaviour)
3. RBCL (Radarbox Classic Hardware)
Ingo
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Is there something that need to be done in Radarbox to have the dongle detected?
The dongle is working fine with RTL1090 and plane plotter but for some reason Radarbox don't detect it.
Thanks!
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You need V6.00.000 of ANRB Software ( http://www.airnavsystems.com/download/ANRB/ ). Further ANRB Software needs exclusive access to the RTL SDR dongle. If RTL1090 or dump1090 is already running, ANRB.exe won't detect the dongle.
Ingo
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You can also send data from Planeplotter to Airnav via its Options/Sharing/Set Up and tick Secondary Sharing, Enable sharing to Radarbox24.
Alan
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Thanks guys, I've stopped RTL1090 and it is working fine now.
Thanks for your help!
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ANRB Software needs exclusive access to the RTL SDR dongle. If RTL1090 or dump1090 is already running, ANRB.exe won't detect the dongle.
Which seems a silly design. I want to be able use my SDR dongle to feed ANRB and Planeplotter at the same time, with a raw feed going to Planeplotter for multilateration. In fact, my current setup has to leave ANRB completely out of the loop, with the SDR dongle feeding DUMP1090. I can then get Planeplotter to MLAT non-ADS/B aircraft, and display everything in Virtual Radar Server, combining ADS/B, non-ADS/B, and MLAT'ed aircraft all in one display. Now, that's what ANRB should do!
(http://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1716/23684395844_241a77b628_d.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tarbat/23684395844/sizes/o)
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I ask this as someone with no idea on the technical issues.
Don't other tracking services have the same issue and if so is there a way round the problem for example isnt this the same with the FR24 feeder??
Can Planeplotter be set up to feed Airnav using it in the way you have it set up?
What did Airnav say to your suggestion?
Alan
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Most applications can get data in various formats, and DUMP1090 can provide multiple outputs in these different formats. As to what Airnav have said to the suggestion - "Please confirm both of these are applications to get data from dongles and that output data in a specific format. If that is the case can you send me examples of data coming from them? OK on port 30003, that is also interesting."
My follow-up reply:
"DUMP1090 outputs data on three ports/formats. If you made ANRB.exe able to get data from port 30003 in standard Basestation format, as your RB24DataSharer.exe program already does, then that would work great. If you could also handle a Beast type output on port 30005 then that would also enable access to all the RAW data coming from the dongle in ANRB.exe.
--net-ro-port <port> TCP raw output listen port (default: 30002)
--net-sbs-port <port> TCP BaseStation output listen port (default: 30003)
--net-bo-port <port> TCP Beast output listen port (default: 30005)"
So, I'm hopeful that Airnav see the sense of this suggestion. And no, Planeplotter can't feed ANRB, as ANRB can only connect directly to a receiver. By not accepting other inputs, Airnav are limiting their market for people to use the ANRB software, and so limiting the number of people feeding the RB24 network.
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Thanks hopefully they will follow up your suggestion. I wondered if Planeplotter could feed through their Options/Sharing set up but I suppose they would need the 30003 output to do that with the dongle.
I just reread again and other feeders don't have problem with Dump1090.
Thanks again
Alan
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Hi Alan,
dump1090 is working with the RB24 feeding tool, as this tool redistributes the data that dump1090.exe provides on port 30003. ANRB V6.00.000 can not be feeded with any type of data provided by dump1090.exe (raw data, base station data, or mode-s beast compatible data) but is able to directly connect to the dongle. The dump1090 problem is only valid for users, who (like Chris and me) want to use their RTL-SDR dongle to feed ANRB software and pp/fr24 feeding tools at the same time.
As ANRB software does use port30003 for data output too, it might be sensible to make the listening ports user selectable. I needed to change the basestation output port to 30033 to avoid problems with running ANRB software on same PC. Thankfully the tool that I wanted to feed with base station data allowed user customized port settings.
Ingo
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Many thanks for that information Ingo. Hopefully Airnav will take the information and advice from you and Chris into account when further developing V6 in to the fully fledged version.
Alan
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Having read through this thread I thought I would try out a micro dongle to compare with my original hardware. Following Tarbat's recommendation I paid a bit extra for a R820T2 based dongle. Bought this from Amazon
NooElec NESDR Mini 2 USB RTL-SDR & ADS-B Receiver Set, RTL2832U & R820T2 alonf with a BNC to MCX drop cable.
Just plugged it in and installed the ZADIG driver and restatred the Airnav v6 software and its up and running. Will run for a few days and compared the number of flights logged over a number of 24hr periods. Normally I have been between 3200 and 3800 with the original hardware.
Graham
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Hi Graham could you please check the Ground speed column in MyFlights list of V6 Software running with your SDR dongle and tell me how the readings are? Stable values or a 0kt display interrupted with short displays of correct ground speed?
Many thanks ahead.
Ingo
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Ingo
The GS field is switching between 0 and the correct speed.
HTH
Graham
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Yes, as it confirms, that this is general bug in V6 software which has to be fixed in future releases of V6 software.
Ingo
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Yes, remember, v6 is a beta. Problems reported to Airnav Dev:
Squawk is broken - 5 character codes don't look valid.
GS is broken - constantly changing between a valid or invalid value and zero. May be caused by the GS number switching between different aircraft. Just seen the same GS (453) appear against 2 aircraft at the same time, and then switched to 2 different aircraft.
Seeing Flight IDs containing ????????
Intermittent fault - sometimes starting ANRB it hangs at "Detecting Hardware".
In Preferences there’s no longer a tick box to “Filter garbled Flight IDs & Squawks”.
The end user needs a way to adjust the AGC ON/OFF, and adjust the gain. Generally a gain of around 48 is recommended, but that may vary in different locations.
Need a way to adjust the PPM setting in the dongle. I need to use PPM = 54 to get the frequency of 1090 spot-on.
What is UDP port 7009 being used for in v6 – I see it listed as a LISTENING PORT in Resource Monitor.
Consider making v6 work with the output from DUMP1090 and RTL1090, to appeal to the most number of users. Allowing a port 30003 input to ANRBv6 would be helpful, again to attract the most users.
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Hi Chris,
I reported the most of your list too.
One is missing in your list: If precess hardware flights is disabled and enabled again some airframes aren't shown on the map although position data is available. Sometimes they appear on the map after several minutes and they don't (re)appear at all.
There are even more issues, if operated with RBCS.
In Preferences there’s no longer a tick box to “Filter garbled Flight IDs & Squawks”. -->
I ran V6 for about two days with RB1 and had almost the same number (difference <=100 /with a total 4000+) of flights as in V5.00.072 running with a second box at the same antenna. All other settings identical. Maybe “Filter garbled Flight IDs & Squawks” isn't user selectable in V6 anymore, but is still implemented and working in the background.
About UDP port 7009: If this port is blocked, V6 doesn't find RBCS hardware anymore. So I guess the port is used for communication with and/or for listening to RBCS hardware. I've set up a custom switchable firewall rule to have an easy way to get access to RB1 (classic Hardware) while using V6 software.
Giving user access to AGC and PPM settings may overstrain the user with average PC/Software usage capabilities. E.G. how did you get the value of 54 for the PPM error correction parameter? (Mine is 37, Gain: works best at 42)
I aggree, that it would be great, if V6 would work with output of dump1090 or RTL1090. For me it would be necessary to be able to change the output/listening port from 30003 to e.g. 30033. Or if port 30003 is used as listening port for V6 Software, the output on port 30003 of V6 software has to be switched to another port or has to be disabled.
Ingo
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Agree with your point about configurable port numbers. 30003 is overused already. For example, my PP2TCP program, which takes MLAT'ed aircraft from Planeplotter and outputs in 30003 format is configurable for any port number. I use 30303 to feed into VRS.
(http://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1594/24206799961_211cf6d785_m_d.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tarbat/24206799961/sizes/o/)
Also agree about configuring AGC and PPM, ANRB needs sensible default values. I used SDR# and a known reference frequency to determine the PPM for my dongle.
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Hi Chris,
Are you running your dongle through your Silex ?
Andrew
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I don't use the version myself by have been advised of the following
1. Some aircraft icons not pointing in the direction of travel, occasionally they correct themselves.
2. A number of ADSB plots on the list but not on the map. Sometimes double clicking on the list entry reveals the plot on the map
Alan
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Andrew, No, haven't tried that. Direct connection with a 5 metre USB cable.
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That's interesting Chris, I found my RB would not work with a 5M USB lead, that's why I went for the Lindy extension booster lead which solved my problems (voltage drop I assume?) and gave the RB full power.
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Using my RTL USB dongle thru a USB2.0 port. Would there be any benefit to the Radarbox system by adding a USB3.0 port into my system and plugging the dongle thru that?
graham
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No, as the dongle is usually a USB2.0 type. Word case you will have a compatibility problem, if the USB2.0 dongle is used with a USB3.0 port. Has not a high possibilty, but such things happen.
Ingo
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thanks Ingo. Did look on the dongle's website for USB compatibility but couldn't find anything. So won't go down that route for now.
Graham
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Hi All,
In my case reception of the dongle compared from the radarbox improved a lot, now I get flights from far distance and strong signal, it´s really noticeable.
Once the bugs are corrected this will be a great software, but we need options to manage ports in order to have other programs feeded.
Cheers,
Antonio
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I am trying to get my dongle to work with version 6 but it is impossible to get it to start... I see other had the same problem too, when I try to start it say "Checking Device" forever... I am sure I have tried 10 times and been waiting sometimes for 15 minutes to I hit Ctrl + C to close it...
Any solutions for this problem?
I use Windows 7 and my dongle is a NEWSKY RTL2832U R820T and it is working perfectly with Dump1090.
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I had similar when my ZADIG driver wasn't running. Have you got this installed on your system?
Graham
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Hi Graham, thanks for your reply! My dongle is working with Dump1090 on same computer so doesn´t that mean that the Zadig is installed properly? Or do I have to install Zadig in Airnav software somehow?
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airbus, from earlier on in the thread, If RTL1090 or dump1090 is already running, ANRB.exe won't detect the dongle.
Alan
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Thanks Alan, none of them has been running when I tried it and I also restarted PC and tried right away, but it didn´t help.
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Nobody else that have the same problem? Now I have tried with and without USB extension cable and 2 different dongles of same brand but no luck...
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Hi Airbus, I got the NooElec SDR dongle and it started up on the first try got me with Version 6. I have had no problems. Still testing and doing some comparisons with the original RB.
Jason
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Information for all those who have V6.00.000 Version running with SDR dongles. It seems that there are different builds available. The latest seems to be from November 11th 2015. I haven't tested if there are bug fixes or improvements between the different builds.
You may consider to go to http://www.airnavsystems.com/download/ANRB/ and dowload the install or upodate .exe again anyway.
Ingo