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AirNav RadarBox and RadarBox24.com => AirNav RadarBox and RadarBox24.com Discussion => Topic started by: AirNav Development on October 19, 2013, 06:04:00 AM
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We are happy to announce the release of the brand new "AirNav RadarBox 5.00 Beta" software.
It's a new version of our Windows software with all reported bugs corrected and with some new features. It has been on test for a few weeks and it is now time to release it, still in Beta mode, to our forum.
Our development team and our team of beta testers will be present on this thread.
At this point we are looking for more problems to be reported and corrected. This version intends to be mainly a correction of all reported problems and once released in non-beta mode we will start working on important new features.
* We would like to give a special thank you message to our dedicated beta testing team who has put hours of work on this job and of course to all the AirNav Systems team that dedicated the last few months working on this task. *
Download links:
Full installation:
http://www.airnavsystems.com/download/ANRB/ANRB50044BetaSetup.exe
Upgrade from V4.03:
http://www.airnavsystems.com/download/ANRB/ANRBUpgrade403to50044.exe
Windows 8 drivers quick note: we are still working on the Windows 8 drivers problem which we hope to have corrected in 10-15 days (we are waiting for Microsoft certification of the new drivers).
List of corrected bugs:
Aircraft not timing out
Mangled type designator
Local alerts not working properly
Equatorial Black Hole bug
Preference box re-sizing
Diacritical mark bug
Sort network flight by distance
The Spurious Position Bug
Aircraft Sessions Extended
Maps unreliable
The Aircraft in Limbo bug
Automatic Software Update Feature
3D height problem - FT vs Meters
Problems with 3D - localhost vs 127.0.0.1
Administration Rights Problems on certain machines
Setup for both Upgrade and New Installations
POST Problems with Apache (email sending feature)
Flights in the Navdata and on the server showing only -
Routes not showing as via
Photo thumbnails of aircraft not showing in mylog
Database updater giving error when operated
Wrong date/time stamp on routes table
Photo missing in 3D view aircraft information box
No Squawk Codes being displayed
Some Flight IDs not being displayed
Satellite and OpenStreetMap Downloads not working
Change installation folders
Memory Leak on Data Updater
Map doesn't show all labels from tracked flights
Error when selecting Add Record in Database Explorer
Refinement to filtering of corrupted FlightIDs and Squawks
3D models and trails missing when playing a recording
High CPU Usage - database updates
Saving map colour changes
Double clicking on a network flight problems
Aircraft displayed behind trails
Network flights not showing route data on certain conditions
SmartView showing network aircraft with no position
Transition from MyFlights to Network - frozen aircraft
Network trail lines not timing out
Aircraft silhouettes missing in certain conditions
Database explorer error when changing search field
Provide ability to scroll across the Quick Filter Toolbar
Altitude missing on aircraft in MyFlights
Airline logo column too small on grid view
Receive photos and aircraft and flight data from server
Error message when sending MyLog by email
Manually added photo not appearing in MyLog
MyFlights aircraft listed in Network tab
Alert Box problems
Add CO field to Grid Visible Columns
Add maximize and restore controls to Database Explorer
Allow users to disable auto sort on main grid view
New features:
Sending emails by custom server
Encrypt navdata.db3 file
All comms to/from server encrypted
Users who don't share flight data or are not subscribed to the network will not received flight (photo/route information from server
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A couple of new features to be aware of:
1. Preferences - Radarbox - Callsign and Squawk Validation - Tick the box to filter out garbled FlightIDs and Squawks, at the expense of requiring 2 consecutive identical messages for FlightIDs and Squawks.
2. Database Explorer has a new Database Updates tab.
Any questions, just ask. There are quite a few other improvements that you'll probably discover along the way!
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Will the upgrade403to50044.exe work to upgrade from 3.13?
As far as I remember, the difference between 3.13 and 4.03 was the 3D feature.
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Sorry, not tested upgrade from 3.13, as I didn't have a 3.13 install to test from.
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I dont see any reason why it should not, the only difference is 3D. If you dont subsscribe to 3D you will get 2D only.
Alan
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The upgrade will look for your ANRB.exe. If you have installed to a different path than that detailed by the installer you will require to direct it to the exe.
Alan
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I did the upgrade with 403 updater and ANRB complained about anrb.dat not found.
Installed 403 on another machine, copied the anrb.dat from it and now the 500beta works.
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Liviu, good to know there's a way to upgrade from 3.13. But note the warnings, this is NOT an official upgrade route, has not been tested, and may give problems if you try to use 3D.
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Note that if someone takes this path to upgrade from 313 and then decides to subscribe for the 3D, 500 will not work because there will be missing the GE_Models and GE_Layers folders and maybe some other files.
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Well done to all involved. Let's hope the testing goes well.
I must admit, I'm baffled as to why those not sharing flight data or subscribe to the network, not receiving updates from the server,can be classed as a "feature" of the release?
Your definition of "feature" needs looking at closely.
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Just an observation - now that the Navdata database in encrypted, the NavData Editing Tool is now unusable, which is a shame.
Rod
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Just an observation - now that the Navdata database in encrypted, the NavData Editing Tool is now unusable, which is a shame.
Indeed!
Tried to launch 3D with old GE plugin. Result: Plugin crashed. While (re-)installing newest version: ANRB disappeared from tasklist. Maybe crashed maybe shuted down without notification. As far as I noticed no damages to the database files have occurde. so far so good.
Users who don't share flight data and not subscribed to the network will not received flight (photo/route information from server
I have two boxes, one with active network subscription and one without. Both are alway on with sharing "ON". Does this mean, that only the box with active Network subscription gets updates or is it sufficient if only one have an active subscription. One of the boxes is running -with some short outtages- 24/7 since 1st of December 2009 -this are about 34000h of shared data. But if I have to pay for two network subscriptions to get updates for both boxes I've to say googbye...
Just had a problem/almost crash with new version. If you want I can send you the "crash report" as text file.
Finally... Many thanks for finally launching the new long awaited version of RB software.
Regards Ingo
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To clarify if you share or pay for the network subscription you will get route and aircraft data.
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Thanks for making it absolutely clear.
Ingo
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I will arrange for the the line to be changed to read as follows
Users who don't share flight data or are not subscribed to the network will not received flight (photo/route information from server
Alan
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Hi Alan, if it would have read that way in the first place, it would not have been necessary to ask. ;-)
Offtopic: To Busy with the job, so I'm not able to investigate my unknowns at the time. But if you are interested I may be able to post my uninvestigated unknowns every second or third day.
Have a nice evening!
Ingo
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By the way, were is the right place to dumb my crash reports?
Ingo
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I tried the update from 4.03 to new version and had same problem as earlier post with file not found.
I gave up and downloaded whole file and had no problems (except it thought i was 3d and had to change map).
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Hi Ingo,
Nice to hear from you, hope all is well with you. I understand the pressures and time constraints impossed by having to work for a living and am glad that those days are past for me. I will gladly take your reports whenever you can manage
One of the problems I would imagine with the writer having English as a second language
Support would be the best place I would think to send a crash report.
Alan
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Regarding access to flight information/photos/aircraft information as retrieved from the server and how V5 deals with it:
- If user is not a network subscriber he will continue to have access to the above data if he is sharing his mode-s comms;
- I user is a network subscriber he will access the data with or without sharing;
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Please can someone clarify the actions to take for upgrading from Version 3.13. Am I right in saying that I should use the full installation, Also, do I need to uninstall V3.13 first or will the full installation over-write it keeping the mylog files etc. intact.
Regards
NW
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Question of Airnav asked will get back to you ASAP.
Alan
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Keith,
From Airnav, although the difference between 3.13 and 4.03 is basically the addition of 3D, they suggest saving the files like mylog and doing a full install of V5 then adding back in your saved files.
Alan
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Good morning Alan
Thank you for the quick reply. Will I have to uninstall Version 3.13 first or will it automatically over-write without the obvious saved files.
Regards
Keith
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When I last installed 3.13, I had to do something to get the program to open (having double clikced the desktop icon) automatically bypassing the logon prompt. Is this still required and if so how do I do it?
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Hi Keith,
Apologies missed the important bit from my last reply.
Save your mylog to a known location, its the only one that you should need to save although you maybe feel you want to also save your photo folder. Completely unistall the previous version. Download and install V5. Its big so will take some time to download. Once installed replace the mylog in the programme with your saved mylog and then start up.
You may or may not require to enster your username and password but these should be in the registry and the program may or may not find them.
Alan
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hungryasthesea,
You shouldnt have to do anything to get the program to open other than press the icon.
See my messages to Northern Watch regarding v3.13
Alan
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Thanks Alan
I will give it a go when I get some time and see what happens. Not that computer literate and still without my box now for 3 weeks and still no sign of it being repaired.
regards
Keith
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Alan,
Thanks for the reply. Did a brand new instal to a totally new location and everything has loaded just fine.
It seems so far to be a good release with not that many errors, well done to those who have spent time testing etc.
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"Just an observation - now that the Navdata database in encrypted, the NavData Editing Tool is now unusable, which is a shame."
Ahh this is a show stopper for me. I use the NavData Editing Tool each time there is a db update to transfer mil hexcodes into JSTARS. Is there any plans to overcome this, eg giving option of disabling the encryption or NavData Editing Tool being able to decrypt?
So WILL NOT be upgrading anytime soon as I suspect that this will take some time, if at all!!!!!
Graham
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Graham,
There is no intention of unecrypting the database to make its contents it available for other utilitties.
Alan
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I use the NavData Editing Tool each time there is a db update to transfer mil hexcodes into JSTARS.
Graham, note that db updates will only be made available from within v5 going forward, so unless you update to v5 you won't get any more bulk db updates anyway.
I guess you could try using one of the other freely available databases to extract mil hexcodes, such as the basestation.sqb available at http://pp-sqb.mantma.co.uk/
Currently has about 115,000 aircraft records, but take note of the copyright restrictions.
You can then still have the benefits of Radarbox v5 and extract mil hexcodes from the basestation.sqb database.
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As one of the authors of the NavData DB3 Editing Tool I find this quite sad that AirNav will only be supplying encrypted NavData.db3 update files. Sad in the sense that there are many users out there who have given serious time and effort to developing various tools that allow ALL OF US to enjoy this hobby even more.
I will discuss this issue with the other author of the software about the encryption issue and get back to all about a way forward. Hopefully something can be resolved.
If we can not resolve the issue then AirNav should seriously look at developing a proprietry tool that the average user of RB can easily use and understand in order to update and edit their db3 files. That is why we believe the Editing Tool we developed enjoyed great acceptance as it allowed so many user to edit in the friendly environment of MS Excel.
Regards,
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I will continue to get my weekly Aircraft Database updates via ADU Software and it's AirNav/SBS Utility and edit accordingly using the NavData Editing Tool.
Don't know if this will help, but if you can get the data into basestation.sqb format, you can still use the Populate/Import button in Database Explorer to import your data into Radarbox v5.
Also note that you can startup Radarbox v5 with an unencrypted navdata.db3 file, so if that's what you can create using the Navdata Editing Tool, you can still startup v5 with that database. Obviously it will be encrypted once used in v5.
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I would have thought that all that would be necessary to do was to create two copies, keep one and enter the other into the system. Then when you are ready to update use the one you kept make the necessary changes using the editing tool, make two copies as before, keep one and use the other each time.
Alan
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Terry, does ADU provide better quality aircraft data than AirNav? I also emptied out the aircraft and routes tables, and rely on the autopopulate process in v5 to populate with aircraft and routes relevant to my local area.
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As a side note.....Startup is now wickedly fast after the upgrade. At least for me it is...
I have 16 Gigs ram and no swap file......
Cheers,
Jason
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I read Tarbat's comment that database updates will only be available from within V5 going forward..................
Whilst I can understand the logic behind this move, can we please make sure that before we move to such a scenario, AirNav at least sort out the Windows 8 drivers issue?
I'm having nightmares at the moment using the software on "8", but think it unfair that long standing customers are denied access to an updated database purely because at the moment they haven't taken the plunge to move to V5.
Until issues such as the drivers are sorted out, I don't think it's worth the effort moving, especially given the reported issues with "8" om the forum
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The Windows 8 drivers are with Microsoft for certification and will be available in around a fortnight
Alan
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I do hope that until version 5 moves on from Beta status to a full release, there will still be normal database update releases.
There are many very sensible users who won't touch a Beta.
Rod
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Quote Rod above....
"I do hope that until version 5 moves on from Beta status to a full release, there will still be normal database update releases."
Not only will there be a number of "fence-sitters" such as myself but there are sure to be large numbers of users who don't follow the forum and could therefore suddenly find themselves without a data stream.
A quick and succinct answer to this is required.
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....... there are sure to be large numbers of users who don't follow the forum and could therefore suddenly find themselves without a data stream.
If someone doesn't follow the forum, they're unlikely to be expecting the monthly database download. Autopopulate of aircraft and routes still operates within Radarbox, and in v5 you can get a daily download of the database within the program.
Hopefully we'll be able to move on from beta to full release within a reasonable time, but if not, I'm sure Airnav will consider the release of a monthly database update as before until we're out of beta.
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I am sure that anyone who doesnt follow the forum and looses their data stream will come onto the forum to find out why.
Alan
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So please what is the answer to the original question which is : if I choose not to update to 5.0 beta will I still be able to continue as before in terms of obtaining routes, photos etc.?
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Additional to above.......
continue as before without either subscribing to the network or data sharing.
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So please what is the answer to the original question which is : if I choose not to update to 5.0 beta will I still be able to continue as before in terms of obtaining routes, photos etc.?
For the time being, yes. Autopopulate, photos and routes continue to work in v4.
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"For the time being, yes."
You've been taking language lessons from Airnav Tarbat. :)
On a more serious note however, some might think that events have already overtaken this much delayed update, given how much radar info is now freely available in the public domain, including of course Mlat flights.
No hardware, no software, no computing skills and no subscriptions required. The world is moving rapidly on.
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You've been taking language lessons from Airnav
No, I'm just giving you the only answer I have at the moment. As an unpaid beta tester, I don't have a crystal ball that can foresee the future.
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Hi Chris,
I, and I'm sure many others, are very glad you, Alan, Orkney and all the other updaters are still on board and doing what you can to help us (good that someone is!), but I believe Bratters' comment was very much tongue in cheek. I know I've caused you totally unintended offence by making similar comments, but please keep on supporting us! We are very grateful, although it might not come across that way!
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"Just an observation - now that the Navdata database in encrypted, the NavData Editing Tool is now unusable, which is a shame."
Indeed!!
Is there any plans to overcome this, eg giving option of disabling the encryption or NavData Editing Tool being able to decrypt?
Graham
Or an option that allow the export of the database.
The encryption of the database is the worst thing that you could do!!!!
There were other important bugs to solve before, (for example the crashing at remote connection)
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On the issue of encryption, maybe some comment from other users would be usefull. Why encrypt a database that is made up in a large portion by users around the world feeding data into a network managed by AirNav? Does AirNav feel that they are protecting the database as being their "own" proprietary information when in fact I suppose we all "own" the data to some degree as feeders and updaters?
In an age where sharing of information is an outward looking forward thinking attutude, AirNav, in my opinion, seem to be inward looking, limiting and self protective.
In the small group of users I interact with, sharing of information from database to database is common practice. Hence we all grow our own information systems by sharing. Most likely with encryption that will not be the case and so will tend to isolate users as individuals and make them not part of a collective and bigger group.
Anyway, just some thoughts.
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not being able to use this great tool, that is the NavData.db3 Editing Tool, with V.5, is a major back drawn for me to.
I have some entries I always have to change in the DB after each update ; this tool enabled me to keep my "airlines" table as I wanted to.
it would have enabled me to adjust the DB in a matter of clicks to show the pics I really want, and setting the auto update to "N" in Excel ( or similar ) with no load of work as it has to be done now.
this encryption thing is for shure not a positive evolution.
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An other example. Today some airlines changed their callsign.
At this time at the other season change day I updated some callsign of the flights landing in my region.
With the encryption I can't do this and we have the wrong information in the database... for days...
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You can still manually update the database although one by one, encryption doesnt stop this. I will update the routes as soon as I can but if these are not forwarded to me they will take longer to add or change.
Alan