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Title: Beta testing feedback
Post by: tarbat on June 04, 2012, 08:46:41 AM
Up and running in three environments:

1. IE9.  Although on my low-spec PC it is unusable, lengthy delays, etc.  Not suprising given the low-spec of my PC.  I won't test any more on IE9 until the app is performance optimised.

2. Google Chrome on PC.  Works nice and smoothly.

3. Safari on iPad 3.  Probably the smoothest of all the environments.

Overall, very impressive.  Some specific feedback:

A.1. The Data Refresh Rate is stuck at 5 seconds, even if I change it to 30 seconds.

A.2. Remember Last View doesn't seem to work.  It always opens centred on the SW of England.

A.3. There's no obvious way to zoom the map in and out.  I use the mouse wheel (PC) or gestures (iPad), but a zoom bar would be useful to make zooming more obvious.

A.4. The Cloud Layer doesn't appear to work.

A.5. Turning on the VOR layer, and selecting the VOR at Inverness Airport, and it displays as "Indian Springs".  Probably a problem with lookup of duplicate VOR names.

A.6. On the Grid View, clicking on an aircraft should ideally centre the map on that aircraft.  Or make this a user option.

A.7. Safari on iPad only - aircraft photos don't appear.  Although clicking on where the photo should be does link to the photo on airliners.net.

I'll do more testing today.
Title: Re: Beta testing feedback
Post by: orkney on June 04, 2012, 10:36:24 AM
Hello

From my first test I have found the following (Other than what has previously been reported)

1. A speed filter will always list the "NA" speed aircraft.

2. The previous selected aircraft always persists when a Filter is applied. Regardless if the aircraft meets the required conditions.

3 Scroll boxes always return to the top when the data is refreshed.

4. Blank lines appear in the "Grid"

5. An"other" filter in the Aircraft and Airline filters would be good to have.

That is all I have found yet but I will keep checking.

Thank you

Andrew
Title: Re: Beta testing feedback
Post by: tarbat on June 04, 2012, 10:43:40 AM
A.8. Is the Pilot View meant to update as the aircraft moves, or is it meant to be a static view?

A.9. Some of the options don't get remembered between sessions:
    - Data refresh rate
    - Follow selected aircraft
    - Animate selected aircraft
    - The specified airport for the arrival/departure ticker
    - All the layer selections

A.10. Might be better to use a different colour for the aircraft trail and the Airways layer.

A.11. Using Safari on iPad, it's not possible to move the filter sliders - might be worth having the option to type in flight levels for the altitude filter.

A.12. Might be worth making either Road or Radar the default views.  The current Default view doesn't show airport runways.
Title: Re: Beta testing feedback
Post by: AirNav 3D Development on June 04, 2012, 04:49:27 PM
Quote from: tarbat on June 04, 2012, 10:43:40 AM
A.8. Is the Pilot View meant to update as the aircraft moves, or is it meant to be a static view?

Yes--the pilot view should move with the aircraft. Also, other aircraft that are in your 2D map view should also show in the 3D pilot view. If this isn't working, could you let me know which browser/OS combination you are using?
Title: Re: Beta testing feedback
Post by: AirNav 3D Development on June 04, 2012, 04:52:23 PM
Quote from: tarbat on June 04, 2012, 08:46:41 AM
A.4. The Cloud Layer doesn't appear to work.

A.5. Turning on the VOR layer, and selecting the VOR at Inverness Airport, and it displays as "Indian Springs".  Probably a problem with lookup of duplicate VOR names.

Layers are still "under construction" at the moment. The Cloud Layer however *should* be working. Can you try zooming out to different zoom levels and check if it shows up? There is a minimum zoom level that once it's reached, the cloud layer is hidden (it gets far too pixelated to be useful when zoomed in too far)
Title: Re: Beta testing feedback
Post by: tarbat on June 04, 2012, 05:49:56 PM
Quote from: AirNav 3D Development on June 04, 2012, 04:49:27 PM
Yes--the pilot view should move with the aircraft. Also, other aircraft that are in your 2D map view should also show in the 3D pilot view. If this isn't working, could you let me know which browser/OS combination you are using?

Definately not working.  I just put pilot view on BAW819 as it landed at Heathrow.  No other aircraft were visible in the 3D view, and even once BAW819 had landed, the 3D view still showed the aircraft on approach.

Browser is Google Chrome v19.0.1084.52 m.  OS is Windows 7 64-bit.  I guess this may be caused by my low-spec PC not being able to keep up!!

I can't test this on the iPad, as the GE plugin isn't supported.  And I can't test in IE9 because of performance problems.

Quote from: AirNav 3D Development on June 04, 2012, 04:52:23 PM
Layers are still "under construction" at the moment. The Cloud Layer however *should* be working. Can you try zooming out to different zoom levels and check if it shows up? There is a minimum zoom level that once it's reached, the cloud layer is hidden (it gets far too pixelated to be useful when zoomed in too far)

Okay, cloud layer appears if I zoom right out to show UK and northern europe.  I guess that will catch a lot of users out when they don't see the cloud layer at a typical zoom level.
Title: Re: Beta testing feedback
Post by: AirNav 3D Development on June 04, 2012, 06:00:09 PM
Pilot View freezing is a confirmed problem. I think I just found the problem... working to fix it now.
Title: Re: Beta testing feedback
Post by: AirNav 3D Development on June 04, 2012, 06:35:00 PM
Can you try clearing your browser cache and try pilot view again. I think I fixed this one.

A couple of pilot view notes:
Firefox - sometimes the embedded pilot view crashes. detach it and it should work. Working on a fix for this.
Chrome - detached view doesn't work yet

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/39801312/Screen%20Shot%202012-06-04%20at%2011.36.37%20AM.png)
Title: Re: Beta testing feedback
Post by: tarbat on June 04, 2012, 11:12:08 PM
Quote from: AirNav 3D Development on June 04, 2012, 06:35:00 PM
Can you try clearing your browser cache and try pilot view again. I think I fixed this one.

Confirmed, now working okay - tested in Chrome.
Title: Re: Beta testing feedback
Post by: tarbat on June 05, 2012, 09:08:29 AM
Quote from: AirNav 3D Development on June 04, 2012, 04:52:23 PM
Layers are still "under construction" at the moment.

Note that the airways layer is patchy in coverage.

Also note that aircraft on the ground appear to hover above the ground in 3D pilot view.

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7215/7155590739_18609fdd34_d.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tarbat/7155590739/sizes/o/in/photostream/)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tarbat/7155590739/sizes/o/in/photostream/
Title: Re: Beta testing feedback
Post by: AirNav 3D Development on June 06, 2012, 01:13:08 AM
Quote from: tarbat on June 05, 2012, 09:08:29 AM
Note that the airways layer is patchy in coverage.

I believe the broken layer problem is within Google Maps. I'm trying to confirm this however. We see this very often (it happens with airways and ATC boundaries almost every time).

Quote from: tarbat on June 05, 2012, 09:08:29 AM
Also note that aircraft on the ground appear to hover above the ground in 3D pilot view.

Ah yes, this problem goes way back to RB3D. For RB3D, I added an "offset" field in the settings dialog to work around this problem. As I understand it, ADS-B is reporting the pressure altitude (not GPS altitude) and so depending on the conditions at the field, aircraft that are on the ground (or near the ground) are showing their altitude based on the standard pressure value and not the real pressure of the field. The correct way to fix this (I believe) is to determine the current field pressure, then calculate the aircraft altitude based on this. Does this sound correct? I believe I have an active database table (METAR) with the current pressure of all the airports, so this should be possible. It will however require time to implement. I will add this to my queue of items. If any of you enjoy math problems and wants to do the math for me in the meantime, that would be very helpful.
Title: Re: Beta testing feedback
Post by: Allocator on June 06, 2012, 02:31:31 PM
I'm back!

Only just started looking at RadarBox24 and very much playing catch-up at the moment so bear with me if I'm repeating anything already covered.

Running an Intel iMac (2010 spec) with Safari browser V 5.1.7.

The pilot view works fine when displayed within the Safari browser window, but when I 'undock it' to show it outside Safari, I just get a zoomed out view of the Earth with no movement.

Should be an image below showing the Safari detached window details - not sure if it will show.

Same result using Chrome V 19.0.1084.54 - I get this address bar at the top of the detached Chrome window:

https://www.radarbox24.com/LATEST/pilot_view.php

However, detached Pilot View works fine in FireFox V 10.0.2 - same address bar showing:

https://www.radarbox24.com/LATEST/pilot_view.php

Regards

Gary
Title: Re: Beta testing feedback
Post by: Allocator on June 06, 2012, 02:35:43 PM
Hang on, this looks better.  Safari detached pilot view window.

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7071/7345094156_e580d72f37.jpg)

(http://farm8.static.flickr.com/7224/7345136010_3354bf2cf8.jpg)
Title: Re: Beta testing feedback
Post by: AirNav 3D Development on June 06, 2012, 03:12:07 PM
Gary, thank you for the feedback. I've confirmed that this is a bug in Safari and Chrome. I've added it to my list of items to fix. I'll let you know as soon as I fix this one.
Title: Re: Beta testing feedback
Post by: Allocator on June 07, 2012, 08:47:09 AM
A few odds and ends here that aren't worth starting a new thread for:

Zoom Control

- Zoom works OK using iMac '-' and '=' keys (+ & -), but levels are quite coarse and needs finer zoom levels.

- Will zoom using magic mouse (scrolling using a finger on the mouse surface - like a scroll wheel), but very coarse and slow

- Display needs dedicated zoom buttons.

Aircraft Grid

- Would it be possible to introduce a sort option for the Grid list?  It looks pretty as it is, but as the order appears random, it's not very useful.

Pilot View

- The excellent Pilot View remains at a fixed minimum altitude when aircraft are on final approach (approx 1500ft?) rather than descending with the aircraft.  I realise that the 3D map become less useable as you get closer to the ground, but when and aircraft lands and then taxys in, the map just floats around at 1500ft.  See this effect at EGLL where there is excellent coverage even with aircraft on the ground.

ATC Boundaries

- The map pins are located at the edge of the ATC boundaries, so it is difficult to see which area they are referring to.  Is it possible to place the pins inside the boundary?

VOR/NDB/Fix Icons

- Is it possible to display icons other than the default Google Map pins?

- Selecting Overlay > Fix doesn't show any fixes as far as I can see.

Flight Trail Option

- I just love this option :-)  Some of those aircraft are making a lot of flights in one day!

- However, I think that the Flight Trails always show 'Previous 12 Hours' and that the 'Current Flight' option doesn't have any effect.

Edit: Just noticed the 'Load Extended Flight Trails' button.  I did have this selected, but when deselecting it, I can't see how this works in combination with the 'Previous 12 Hours' and the 'Current Flight' options.

Keep up the good work!
Title: Re: Beta testing feedback
Post by: Allocator on June 07, 2012, 08:53:26 AM
Just realised that you can change aircraft when using the Pilot View - just mouse over another aircraft to change to a view from that aircraft - nice!
Title: Re: Beta testing feedback
Post by: tarbat on June 12, 2012, 01:48:48 PM
With ASDI data turned on, I get "undefined" in a number of the Flight view fields - Model, Photo copyright.

And with >6000 aircraft on screen, performance really suffers, with >700MB of memory in use, but being able to display ASDI data is a real bonus feature!!
Title: Re: Beta testing feedback
Post by: Runway 31 on June 12, 2012, 02:12:16 PM
Yes a real performance hit but its amazing to see so many aircraft, even  if there is not as much detail on the ASDI aircraft as on the ones provided by Radarbox.

Alan
Title: Re: Beta testing feedback
Post by: AirNav 3D Development on June 12, 2012, 10:27:11 PM
I will get the flight data updated in the left column for ASDI very soon. We just need to combine a couple of databases together first to make it work. Hopefully in the next day or so.

Also, there are some duplicates when ASDI is enabled (an ADS-B RB copy and an ASDI copy). We're working on removing the ASDI duplicate if applicable.

Any suggestions regarding how best to show ASDI flights? I'm currently using a green icon -- does that seem ok? Any other color suggestions?

There is also some ASDI trails that get 'spiked' for some reason. I'm working to try to filter out the 'spikes'.
Title: Re: Beta testing feedback
Post by: Runway 31 on June 13, 2012, 06:54:25 AM
Green is OK for me, stands out well against the background.

Alan
Title: Re: Beta testing feedback
Post by: tarbat on June 13, 2012, 07:11:04 AM
Quote from: Runway 31 on June 13, 2012, 06:54:25 AM
Green is OK for me, stands out well against the background.

Alan

Agreed.
Title: Re: Beta testing feedback
Post by: Allocator on June 15, 2012, 11:42:38 AM
Can't access the new URL at present.  On opening the page I get:

Token is Invalid or Expired

Entering user name and password I get:

Login Error
Invalid Credentials
Title: Re: Beta testing feedback
Post by: tarbat on June 15, 2012, 12:15:59 PM
Working okay here (in Chrome).  Maybe a cached data problem?
Title: Re: Beta testing feedback
Post by: Allocator on June 15, 2012, 01:42:32 PM
Can't access using Chrome or Firefox either.

I suspect that the User Name and Password that I have has expired.
Title: Re: Beta testing feedback
Post by: juangelb on June 16, 2012, 01:24:08 PM
Hi People,

I am having problems in using the new link.

1- CPU goes to 100 % using I.E, Firefox and Chrome.
2- This happens in 4 different computers 3 different internet connections, so I Think that the problem is not at my side
3- In all the cases the computers stays locked, unresponsible....

No way to use RB24 this way

Is someone else getting this scenario ?

Cheers - juan
Title: Re: Beta testing feedback
Post by: Runway 31 on June 16, 2012, 01:58:32 PM
On logging in I am advised that Radarbox i snot responding due to a long running script.  Pressing the stop script button causes it to hang with the following error

Problem signature:
  Problem Event Name:   AppHangB1
  Application Name:   iexplore.exe
  Application Version:   9.0.8112.16446
  Application Timestamp:   4fb57c8f
  Hang Signature:   d8dd
  Hang Type:   131072
  OS Version:   6.1.7601.2.1.0.768.3
  Locale ID:   2057
  Additional Hang Signature 1:   d8dd82640bdb35ee0f2704704f2f92fe
  Additional Hang Signature 2:   7f6c
  Additional Hang Signature 3:   7f6caed11ebb077ab926dca8f9a0d658
  Additional Hang Signature 4:   d8dd
  Additional Hang Signature 5:   d8dd82640bdb35ee0f2704704f2f92fe
  Additional Hang Signature 6:   7f6c
  Additional Hang Signature 7:   7f6caed11ebb077ab926dca8f9a0d658

Alan
Title: Re: Beta testing feedback
Post by: juangelb on June 16, 2012, 03:10:48 PM
Yes Runway31,

Several problems here including what you pointed.

Lets wait ...

Cheers - juan
Title: Re: Beta testing feedback
Post by: juangelb on June 16, 2012, 11:24:42 PM
Hi AN 3D Dev.

1- At his time https://www.radarbox24.com/VLypwHDPQN/ working fine
2- Even when opened it is remembering the settings (place of the map ... zoom), this never worked before.

Congratulations !

Cheers - juan
Title: Re: Beta testing feedback
Post by: AirNav 3D Development on June 17, 2012, 03:59:50 AM
Today I have been working on the ASDI & Grid View sorting and this is probably what was causing the CPU spiking. There previous way I had the grid setup was causing way too much CPU usage. I think I solved this issue so if you clear cache and reload it should work again. ASDI is still unavailable in grid view however. Please test the grid view sorting and let me know any feedback.
Title: Re: Beta testing feedback
Post by: AirNav 3D Development on June 17, 2012, 04:05:46 AM
Quote from: Allocator on June 15, 2012, 01:42:32 PM
Can't access using Chrome or Firefox either.

I suspect that the User Name and Password that I have has expired.

Allocator -- what was your username/email that you are using to log? Send me an email and I'll and I'll double-check that your account is working correctly - [email protected]
Title: Re: Beta testing feedback
Post by: Runway 31 on June 17, 2012, 08:50:20 AM
Hi,

Up and working fine now.  Had a look at the grid sorting and apprears to be working smoothly.  Only comment I would make in the origin or destination sorting is that I would thought that these would all be together and not seperated by flights where the origin or detination are not known.

Alan
Title: Re: Beta testing feedback
Post by: Runway 31 on June 17, 2012, 12:22:43 PM
Using the ASDI data is now a lot smoother and isnt causing any adverse CPU usage

Alan
Title: Re: Beta testing feedback
Post by: Runway 31 on June 19, 2012, 12:49:26 PM
I just noted 2 instances of VIR18 plotting on the map. one provided by Radarbox and one via ASDI with the Radarbox version a distance in front about 100 miles or so both showing same altitude and speed

Alan
Title: Re: Beta testing feedback
Post by: Runway 31 on June 19, 2012, 09:10:26 PM
Having trouble zooming in and out

Alan
Title: Re: Beta testing feedback
Post by: AirNav 3D Development on June 20, 2012, 12:55:21 AM
Alan,

I believe I just fixed the zoom out issue. I introduced a new bug last night that broke the zoom. Thanks for catching it so quickly.
Title: Re: Beta testing feedback
Post by: AirNav 3D Development on June 20, 2012, 12:58:04 AM
 
Quote from: Runway 31 on June 19, 2012, 12:49:26 PM
I just noted 2 instances of VIR18 plotting on the map. one provided by Radarbox and one via ASDI with the Radarbox version a distance in front about 100 miles or so both showing same altitude and speed

Alan

We are working on this issue now. It's an overlap between the ASDI database and the RB database. We should hopefully have this fixed in the next week or so.
Title: Re: Beta testing feedback
Post by: Runway 31 on June 20, 2012, 10:08:05 AM
Confirm zooming issue appears corrected

Alan
Title: Re: Beta testing feedback
Post by: Runway 31 on July 14, 2012, 11:26:11 AM
Noting some further additions like home location, 7700 Squawk etc all adding to the package.

Will there be a 24 hour recording and playback facility provided eventually?

Alan
Title: Re: Beta testing feedback
Post by: Runway 31 on July 15, 2012, 12:32:07 PM
Unable to do anything with the website at this time, screen very dark, looks greyed out and unable to log on

Alan
Title: Re: Beta testing feedback
Post by: Runway 31 on July 17, 2012, 11:16:25 AM
No access available now

Alan
Title: Re: Beta testing feedback
Post by: Runway 31 on July 24, 2012, 02:06:29 PM
Glad to see it back up and running, any underlying changes been made?

Alan
Title: Re: Beta testing feedback
Post by: Runway 31 on July 28, 2012, 09:44:03 AM
Quite frustrating watching Singapore in its full glory on Radarbox24 with data being supplied by a Radarbox when we cant see it on the network

Alan
Title: Re: Beta testing feedback
Post by: Runway 31 on August 12, 2012, 02:00:12 PM
Looking in the Los Angeles area just now, the network generated aircraft are flashing in and out. A short time ago the ASDI generated ones were buzzing about like demented ants but are steady now

Alan
Title: Re: Beta testing feedback
Post by: AirNav 3D Development on August 25, 2012, 09:40:44 PM
Quote from: Runway 31 on July 14, 2012, 11:26:11 AM
Noting some further additions like home location, 7700 Squawk etc all adding to the package.

Will there be a 24 hour recording and playback facility provided eventually?

Alan

Playback is a feature we are working on for RB24. I cannot confirm it will be ready for initial launch, but it will be a feature at some point.