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AirNav RadarBox and RadarBox24.com => AirNav RadarBox and RadarBox24.com Discussion => Topic started by: AirNav Development on September 08, 2011, 08:42:01 PM
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We've just improved the way we detect users locations by releasing a new professional location database which is much more accurate than the previous one we were using. We do hope to show in a more accurate way each RadarBox location by using this new database.
Please check for details at:
http://www.airnavsystems.com/RadarBox/network.php
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Well, my Box is running and detecting approximately 10 "new" airframes in range per quarter hour. But is it on the map? Any guesses? Is this the new accuracy you had in mind? I can't detect any difference between now and then. I hope that the Bug-Fixes in the next RB Software release are working better... ;-)
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The same story with some Russian users. At least three more stations works now (two - in Moscow, including my Radarbox, and one - in Saint Petersburg). But I don't see these stations on your map.
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Hi Airnav
Not that it worries me but i don,t see any improvement as no RB is shown in my location.
I would be happier seeing a new release of RB software than these type of cosmetic updates.
Thanks
Brian
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Before we get the usual complaints saying resources should be used towards RadarBox software updates. We have a dedicated team which are working on that, we do have resources as well which look after the forum/website/AirNav live etc..
The update is using an improved system to lookup IP addresses and locations given from the RadarBox software (not GPS location due to privacy) and is showing better lookups than before.
If your location doesn't appear we suggest you check what your entering in your location box (some people enter details such as My Home, My Country and then wonder why it doesn't appear) or check what your IP resolves to by going to site such as http://www.tracemyip.org/ and checking what location it indicates.
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Remember, you can always check if your location is being detected by doing a "View Source" on the web page.
Well, my Box is running and detecting approximately 10 "new" airframes in range per quarter hour. But is it on the map? Any guesses?
So, for Germany we currently see:
geoStuff('Hamburg','Germany',54.1198,10.1296);
geoStuff('Bautzen','Germany',51.1614,14.3124);
geoStuff('Cologne','Germany',50.6259,7.1256);
geoStuff('Burgstädt','Germany',49.8195,12.7446);
geoStuff('Cologne','Germany',50.7239,6.6201);
geoStuff('Rostock','Germany',56.0012,15.0017);
geoStuff('Ganderkesee','Germany',53.0464,8.7664);
geoStuff('Wilhelmshaven','Germany',50.8021,4.1587);
The same story with some Russian users. At least three more stations works now (two - in Moscow, including my Radarbox, and one - in Saint Petersburg). But I don't see these stations on your map.
And for Russia we currently see:
geoStuff('Novosibirsk','Russian Federation',56.3735,86.7613);
geoStuff('Moscow','Russian Federation',55.4534,37.8148);
And remember, it looks at your City/Country in Preferences to place a pin. And if that can't be resolved, it takes your IP address and generates the LAT/LONG listed. The LAT/LONG is NOT the location you enter in Preferences, because of privacy concerns.
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This seems a totally pointless feature to me, look at the UK, can you see anywhere on the map to know where you're actually looking at? No, to be of any use at all, the overlayers need to be transparent so you can see the map, or have I missed a trick. Sorry 0/10.
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Thanks Airnav & Tarbat for your responses.
I assume the reason mine does not show is that i have the city entry in preferences blank and only have Lat and Long entered.
It therefore relies on my IP address which when i log onto http://www.tracemyip.org/ it comes up with my IP address as being my internet provider BT HUB which is in Chichester some 2hours drive away ?
If i enter my actual PC IP address into the demo it does not give any results.
Brian
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CoastGuardJon,
There is a map linked on the first page without the overlay of the reception circles.
http://www.airnavsystems.com/RadarBox/network2.php
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I assume the reason mine does not show is that i have the city entry in preferences blank and only have Lat and Long entered.
Correct. Why not enter a CITY/COUNTRY in Preferences then? If you're worried about privacy, enter a nearby location instead.
There is a map linked on the first page without the overlay of the reception circles.
http://www.airnavsystems.com/RadarBox/network2.php
Why not make this the default, without circles.
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Hi Tarbat
I am not worried at all. If someone has a problem i like to help resolve it if possible.
Until this post it is the first time have looked at the map since i got my RB a year ago.
All i was trying to do is pass information to Airnav that my box is not appearing. Airnav suggested using the IP address website. This may be flawed unless i was doing something stupid ?
I assumed which has proven incorrect that if i put in a Lat/Long position it would be used.
The reason i did not put a city in was because it would be inaccurate as the nearest city is 20 miles away.
Thanks
Brian
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If you want to understand why you get a BLUE pin (IP address) rather than a RED pin (CITY/COUNTRY), read http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=2764.msg24415#msg24415
The live map does use the location entered by the RB owner in Preferences - Home Station Data. But, and its a big but, only if Google Earth can handle all the lookup requests. Many of the lookups will time-out, resulting in BLUE pins.
If you want to see the list of all user locations, just right click on the page, and View Source. You'll see all the locations listed as geoStuff statements.
Google often times-out on location lookups, so you end up with a BLUE pin based on your IP address :(
Airnav, if you really want to improve the network coverage map, find a way of stopping the large number of Google Maps timeouts on Geostuff CITY/COUNTRY lookups.
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Hi Tarbat
I checked the preferences and i already had my home town of 'UCKFIELD' in the City part of Station Data.
I did as you suggested and viewed the source and found my home Town.
The problem now is according to Google earth the Lat/Long it shows now puts me in Essex and not East Sussex.
Do you think this related to the Google Earth timeouts you mention or some error in conversion of my home town to a Lat/Long within Airnav ?
Thanks
Brian
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This seems a totally pointless feature to me, look at the UK, can you see anywhere on the map to know where you're actually looking at? No, to be of any use at all, the overlayers need to be transparent so you can see the map, or have I missed a trick. Sorry 0/10.
I agree.
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This seems a totally pointless feature to me, look at the UK, can you see anywhere on the map to know where you're actually looking at? No, to be of any use at all, the overlayers need to be transparent so you can see the map, or have I missed a trick. Sorry 0/10.
I agree.
Well, use this link instead - http://www.airnavsystems.com/RadarBox/network2.php
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Do you think this related to the Google Earth timeouts you mention or some error in conversion of my home town to a Lat/Long within Airnav ?
Most likely it's the timeout problem. If Airnav could fix the Google Map timeout problem, then the network map would be a LOT more reliable/useful.
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Thanks Tarbat
Will now give up looking at it for another year lol.
Brian
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The timeout is Google side. You can't fire them a lot (more than 50 in a certain time) of lookup requests without paying and expecting it to take time. However if anyone has any other ideas we would be happy to listen and try them?
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The timeout is Google side. You can't fire them a lot (more than 50 in a certain time) of lookup requests without paying and expecting it to take time. However if anyone has any other ideas we would be happy to listen and try them?
If you have the resource to look at this, then maybe consider using BING geocoding (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff701733.aspx). They don't appear to have the same limitations as Google impose, with limits of 200,000 location entities per job.
You would need to periodically (say every hour) create a geocode job to upload the CITY/COUNTRY data to BING geocoding, wait for it to complete, and then use the geocoded coordinates to create a map on your web page.
More info. at http://www.bing.com/community/site_blogs/b/maps/archive/2010/08/31/batch-geocoding-and-batch-reverse-geocoding-with-bing-maps.aspx
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The problem now is according to Google earth the Lat/Long it shows now puts me in Essex and not East Sussex.
Make sure you have the Lat & Long in the correct format, Degrees/Minutes/Seconds instead of digital degrees or which ever way it should be. ;-)
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Hi Budgie
I did check that thanks.
Brian
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Remember, you can always check if your location is being detected by doing a "View Source" on the web page.
Which website ? How is the procedure "View Source" performed? Sorry for being such straight, but giving hints in that way is in my humble opinion absolutely useless.
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Hi Neroon79
It took me a few minutes to work it out.
Basically you right click on the page being displayed and you get an option 'View page Source'.
So if you do this with the 'Network coverage map' displayed you with see some source code and if you scroll down it then list RB users by City and Lat/Long.
Hope that helps
Brian
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Hi Neroon79
It took me a few minutes to work it out.
Basically you right click on the page being displayed and you get an option 'View page Source'.
So if you do this with the 'Network coverage map' displayed you with see some source code and if you scroll down it then list RB users by City and Lat/Long.
Hope that helps
Brian
This helps a lot. By the way: German version of Firefox: 'View page Source' equates 'Seitenquelltext anzeigen'
Never the less: I have found my Box in the list, but the stated location is 115.05NM with a bearing of 252.71° away from my real location. Why not using the Geo-Coordinates entered in Preferences? To avoid privacy issues round up or round down after first number behind the '.'. This shall move the displayed Position inside a radius of 5NM to 10NM. In my opinion this should be inaccurate enough for any kinds of privacy concerns.
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Hi Neroon79
It took me a few minutes to work it out.
Basically you right click on the page being displayed and you get an option 'View page Source'.
So if you do this with the 'Network coverage map' displayed you with see some source code and if you scroll down it then list RB users by City and Lat/Long.
Hope that helps
Brian
Hi Brian, yes, many thanks for this, a heck of a lot more use than the map provided by AN. My location is fully detailed in preferences, I share to the network, but no bubble west of Launceston - I'm even more convinced this is a waste of time.
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I agree a wast of time, get a system that works, i think tarbat is the only one making sense at the moment.
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CoastGuardJon, have you got electricity that far into Cornwall? ;-)
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Hi Dave, I have to borrow the battery off the car and keep it charged with a Trevor Baylis clockwork generator!!! Had one heck of a thunderstorm yesterday lunchtime, shame you can't bottle some of that power.......
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Where does the info come for the map - I have my lat and long set as my location but the location shown on the maps is about a degree North in the middle of nowhere (ie cannot be based on the IP)
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Where does the info come for the map - I have my lat and long set as my location but the location shown on the maps is about a degree North in the middle of nowhere (ie cannot be based on the IP)
What you enter as your LAT/LONG has NO effect on the network map - that info. is NOT used.
It tells you at the bottom of the map:
"Red Positions are extracted from the users location (Town, Country) set in the software. Blue Positions are extracted from the user IP address."
So, was yours a RED or BLUE pin?
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Your IP address cannot always be used to determine your location. In most cases it will show your ISP's location.
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My ISP is in Green Bay, Wisconsin. The closest location in the drop-down choices is Milwaukee, Wisconsin ... neither location shows up on the map.
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Hi Tarbat, I assume when you say "set in the software", you mean entered into Preferences? If so, then Town, Country isn't a very exact way of doing it, for me on "Auto Detect my Location", it came up with Long Sutton, wherever that is. Prior to the next box it says "Or enter your Latitude/Longitude directly in the boxes below", which would indicate, that Lat/Long is a direct alternative to the Town, Country entry, but it would appear not from what's been said. My full details including Postcode are entered correctly - makes this feature even less impressive, or perhaps it's another glitch for AN to add to the corrections awaited list, and yes, I know it's far from a priority, but a gimmick whick doesn't work is far worse than no gimmick at all......................?
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The technicals of what is happening is explained in this thread regarding how google looks-up addresses and how it has a limit.
More importantly the map was made simply to give an indication of what the estimated coverage would be like on the network. We have never stated its accurate, it is just an indication.
Since the map was first brought out users have complained where is my location etc.. and as it states on the map page its just as an indication. Its not meant to be accurate for privacy reasons and its just an indication. We hope that explains things and puts a end to customers wanting to know why there location isn't where it should be.
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The technicals of what is happening is explained in this thread regarding how google looks-up addresses and how it has a limit.
More importantly the map was made simply to give an indication of what the estimated coverage would be like on the network. We have never stated its accurate, it is just an indication.
Since the map was first brought out users have complained where is my location etc.. and as it states on the map page its just as an indication. Its not meant to be accurate for privacy reasons and its just an indication. We hope that explains things and puts a end to customers wanting to know why there location isn't where it should be.
In that case AN, eye candy and very pretty but totally pointless. Thanks for the explanation though, but if a member is prepared to ascertain his/her Lat/Long and then enter the info. in the first place, I would assume they are happy for it to be published, and this brings us back to having a tick box to agree to location being published (and default sharing, which I do, but you don't want that can of worms re-opened yet again!!).
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We agree regarding having a tick box to share your location, that is something that will be in future versions.
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We agree regarding having a tick box to share your location, that is something that will be in future versions.
Nice to hear, but in this case I would prefer, that the displayed position is generated by using the degrees plus the first number behind the decimal point. Or even better: Insert second fields for geo-coordinates named "Location to Share". In this way every user is able to determinate how accurate the position shown on the map would be for his box/station.
Speaking for myself: I would have a problem to see my location generated by the ##.####N by ##.####E coordinates, which are accurate to a few meters. But I wouldn't have any problems with sharing my position with an accuracy of ##.#(#)N by ##.#(#)E, which would place my "real" location in a circle with a diameter of approximately 5NM(1-2NM).