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Title: 3d aircraft MODELS
Post by: rashers on March 02, 2011, 09:32:21 PM
HI LADS ANY IDEA WHEN THERE GOING TO SORT OUT 3D MODELS ALL I HAVE AT THE MO IS RYANAIR AND AERLINGUS THE REST IS GREY SCALES AND NIT SHOWING A LOT OF AIRCRAFT AND COMPANYS
Title: Re: 3d aircraft MODELS
Post by: AirNav Support on March 02, 2011, 10:20:33 PM
Hi Rashers,

The the new navdata file for 3D is in testing phase at the moment, so hopefully not long.

If its really annoying you, backup your mylog data file and reinstall RadarBox 3D and things copy over the mylog again and things should be back to normal.
Title: Re: 3d aircraft MODELS
Post by: rashers on March 02, 2011, 10:42:02 PM
SORRY BOUT THIS NOT GREAT IN COMPUTERS HOW DO I DO THIS I WOULD REALY LIKE TO GO BACK TO NORMAL AGAIN THANKS
Title: Re: 3d aircraft MODELS
Post by: AirNav Support on March 02, 2011, 11:03:42 PM
Firstly there is no need to in capitals, its usually considered shouting on the internet :)

Also can you confirm you did download the database update?
Title: Re: 3d aircraft MODELS
Post by: rashers on March 03, 2011, 12:44:01 AM
sorry bout the capitals yes i dowloaded the new database
Title: Re: 3d aircraft MODELS
Post by: AirNav Support on March 03, 2011, 08:30:47 AM
1.) Find your RadarBox folder, it should be in c:\program files\AirNav Systems\RadarBox\Data

2.) Copy the MyLog files to another location

3.) Install RadarBox 3D again.

4.) Copy the MyLog files you copied earlier to the same Data folder mentioned before and start RadarBox 3D.
Title: Re: 3d aircraft MODELS
Post by: cool_1 on March 03, 2011, 05:28:02 PM
1.) Find your RadarBox folder, it should be in c:\program files\AirNav Systems\RadarBox\Data

2.) Copy the MyLog files to another location

3.) Install RadarBox 3D again.

4.) Copy the MyLog files you copied earlier to the same Data folder mentioned before and start RadarBox 3D.


I have the same 3D model problem.  

Ive tried the above.  Ive also uninstalled and deleted everything within the Airnav folder, rebooted, re-installed...and its still exactly the same with the original or the new .db3 database.  

I wonder if its a Vista x64 bit OS issue ?
Title: Re: 3d aircraft MODELS
Post by: tarbat on March 03, 2011, 05:39:06 PM
cool_1 which specific aircraft and airlines are you not seeing 3D models for?

When you see a model that is all grey/white, check in the GE_Models folder for:

1. A folder named the same as the aircraft's Aircraft Type (eg A321).

2. Within that folder, a folder with the first three letters of the FlightID.

If either of these don't exist, then grey/white is all you'll get.
Title: Re: 3d aircraft MODELS
Post by: cool_1 on March 03, 2011, 05:49:17 PM
Well , looking at the UK right now, I have 75% of all the live network traffic showing as white stalks  (no 3D models whatsoever !!!), and only a few BA , and Aer Lingus in 3D with liveries.  Al the other aircraft around the UK are white 3D models (no liveries).

I cant understand why Im jinxed with 3D.  I also had a problem with the 3D interface after a few months, where I could no longer select any 3D aircraft.  
I currently have to select 2D Map, then click on an aircraft, and then go back to 3D again before I can view the 3D glide slopes etc.. (I spent a few evenings with development online, and they couldnt fix that either) .  I even tried it on another laptop  (XP). and...same issue... ?

My settings are on the highest setting. However its a 3.0 quad core PC (8GB RAM), and should have no problems with applications set to the max.  (Vista 64 Bit)


Tarbat- thanks for the suggestion.

OK so lets see..
I have attached a photo of a RyanAir flight on my 3D interface.  As you can see , no liveries...just a white 3D model.  So if I look at the GE folder you suggest   (B738  subfolder RYR),  I see one file called  'texture.liv'   (146K in size)

Does that help ?
Title: Re: 3d aircraft MODELS
Post by: Runway 31 on March 03, 2011, 06:08:59 PM
I note that you are using Vista, do you have airnav installed to the default C:\Program files\Airnav?

If so install it in C:\Airnav and see if that improves mattesr.


Alan
Title: Re: 3d aircraft MODELS
Post by: cool_1 on March 03, 2011, 06:13:55 PM
Hi Alan,  I completely uninstalled (through Control Panel) , deleted the Airnav folder, and installed from scratch on a different partition and folder (ie. D:\3d )earlier today.  Made no difference.

The last thing I tried earlier today (through desparation) was to uninstall Nortons Antivirus, and load Avast as a complete change of AV software ...then reloaded Airnav from scratch into the default folders.   This is why Im back in the 'default' folders right now.  I thought that would fix it too !!!

Here is another example of the GE folder contents:  (this time where there is no 3D model, and just a white stalk.)

Title: Re: 3d aircraft MODELS
Post by: Runway 31 on March 03, 2011, 06:25:11 PM
Its beyond me, I havent a clue, sorry cant help you.

Alan
Title: Re: 3d aircraft MODELS
Post by: cool_1 on March 03, 2011, 06:30:35 PM
Here is one more example nicely showing 2 examples in a single snapshot,  side by side, along with their GE folder contents.
 This time with EasyJet  (blank white model), and BMI (perfectly normal with full livery).  Interestingly they both have 2 files in each folder !
Title: Re: 3d aircraft MODELS
Post by: cool_1 on March 03, 2011, 06:40:12 PM
And if we pan along a little bit more across the 3D wilderness....this is a typical view of what I get.  
It looks to me like some kind of 3D Prototype windfarm in the English Channel !!!

So its back to 2D and planeplotter for me.  

Title: Re: 3d aircraft MODELS
Post by: Runway 31 on March 03, 2011, 06:46:22 PM
Cool_1 are you trialing the 3d navdata for Airnav as mentioned in the first reply to this topic?

Alan
Title: Re: 3d aircraft MODELS
Post by: cool_1 on March 03, 2011, 07:02:37 PM
The examples above are with the base 3D (4.03 ) fresh install.

 I have now just installed the trial .db3 (which airnav sent me a few days later) and get exactly the same issues.

 For example I have attached a sample with the latest 3d navdata. (this time a BA A320 - again no 3D model).

Hope it helps Airnav.
Title: Re: 3d aircraft MODELS
Post by: AirNav Development on March 04, 2011, 12:23:56 AM
We are working on this at this time. Stby for further news within the next 24 hours.
Title: Re: 3d aircraft MODELS
Post by: AirNav Development on March 04, 2011, 08:28:56 PM
We are still working on this one.
Title: Re: 3d aircraft MODELS
Post by: ACW367 on March 06, 2011, 02:30:16 PM
Airnav
Rough timescales???  and the issues during the testing that have caused the delay during testing are?????

Sorry more questions than answers given again
Title: Re: 3d aircraft MODELS
Post by: AirNav Development on March 06, 2011, 02:38:50 PM
We are resuming work on this as I type this message.
Title: Re: 3d aircraft MODELS
Post by: cool_1 on March 07, 2011, 09:30:09 PM
We are resuming work on this as I type this message.

Hi Airnav,

Dont want to jump the gun but....the 3D is looking promising again...Im just about back to normal right now with most of the liveries showing at last.  
Im running with the test database you sent me the link for , after I originally reported the issue.  

As you can see on this snapshot, a noticeable improvement.  (fingers crossed its all fixed soon).  If you need any more testing, let me know.

regards,
Jon

Title: Re: 3d aircraft MODELS
Post by: AirNav Development on March 07, 2011, 09:56:59 PM
But we haven't changed anything on the server! Isn't it your computer? :-)
Theoretically all should be working Ok since the last navdata.db3 upgrade and we were trying to understand why it didn't.
Title: Re: 3d aircraft MODELS
Post by: rashers on March 08, 2011, 09:41:11 PM
cool 1 what test database did you get some planes are showing for me a lot are not though i think its not sorted yet
Title: Re: 3d aircraft MODELS
Post by: Pinza on March 08, 2011, 10:28:00 PM
Clearly still have a problem!
I have lost all 3D skins for easyJet, Ryanair, Emirates, Ethiad amongst others...
Strangely have gained 3D visualisation for BAW planes on shuttle flights.
Please keep working on this AirNav! Can't just be Cool_1's computer - although very strange that he's managed to post a screenshot with easyjets....
Title: Re: 3d aircraft MODELS
Post by: AirNav Development on March 08, 2011, 11:24:24 PM
Pinza: which navdata.db3 database you've installed?
Title: Re: 3d aircraft MODELS
Post by: andrewarles on March 09, 2011, 04:43:20 PM
AirNav,

Same for me with Easyjet and Ryanair, with latest NavData installed.
Title: Re: 3d aircraft MODELS
Post by: cool_1 on March 09, 2011, 07:17:23 PM
But we haven't changed anything on the server! Isn't it your computer? :-)
Theoretically all should be working Ok since the last navdata.db3 upgrade and we were trying to understand why it didn't.
Airnav,
OK... I will go out and buy a new computer.  ;-)

Andrewarles,
I have attached some shots for the same models. As you can see my Ryanair and EasyJet seem to be working better on the newer test .db3.  (I have no idea what the difference in the databases  is ...except a few more 3D models seems to be working now !?)

Rashers,
I basically have a test database that Airnav sent me a link for, just a few days after the original new .db3 release.

However I STILL have a major problem with 3D, especially when you pan away from the UK. As can be seen in the third shot.  Lots of empty white 'stalks', and no 3D models whatsoever.

Title: Re: 3d aircraft MODELS
Post by: rashers on March 09, 2011, 09:37:29 PM
yeah cool 1 same problem here a joke id say they dont seem to have the answers
Title: Re: 3d aircraft MODELS
Post by: AirNav Support on March 09, 2011, 09:41:41 PM
We apologise for the issues caused and we are doing our best to find the cause and rectify it asp.
Title: Re: 3d aircraft MODELS
Post by: Pinza on March 09, 2011, 11:52:48 PM
Pinza: which navdata.db3 database you've installed?

This is the database that I downloaded in good faith and started the cause of my missing 3D skins:

http://www.airnavsystems.com/Download/ANRB/DBUpdater/ANRBDBUpdater201102.exe

Look forward to a solution!
Title: Re: 3d aircraft MODELS
Post by: AirNav Development on March 10, 2011, 12:16:20 AM
Try this one:
http://www.airnavsystems.com/Download/ANRB/DBUpdater/ANRBDBUpdater20110225.exe
Title: Re: 3d aircraft MODELS
Post by: andrewarles on March 10, 2011, 07:33:47 AM
Screenshot after installing the latest NavData.db3.

All 3D models have disappeared.
Title: Re: 3d aircraft MODELS
Post by: Pinza on March 10, 2011, 08:05:05 PM
Try this one:
http://www.airnavsystems.com/Download/ANRB/DBUpdater/ANRBDBUpdater20110225.exe

Many thanks AirNav - have just downloaded and installed the updater you pointed me to.

This has given me back correctly rendered 3D skins for at least easyJet and Ryanair. Will monitor the situation for any missing skins that I used to have.

Attach screenshot.

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: 3d aircraft MODELS
Post by: Pinza on March 10, 2011, 09:08:49 PM
Hmm, A6-EBV just overflown my house on flight UAE38 - the evening Birmingham to Dubai flight.
Has reverted to a grey 'skinless' version - has always had a full skin until I installed latest updaters!
Is it related to the fact that the aircraft type is showing as B77W rather than B773?
Title: Re: 3d aircraft MODELS
Post by: rashers on March 10, 2011, 09:17:52 PM
yeh i have the 737 back but not the big ones 777 747 330 etc
Title: Re: 3d aircraft MODELS
Post by: cool_1 on March 19, 2011, 12:35:04 PM
Hi Airnav,

any updates on a possible 3D fix please ?

My 3D interface is really unusuable due to this bug (and also a previous bug which I reported a year ago,  where I cannot select aircraft on the 3D google map, and still no fix ...ie. Airnav support ticket #76559).  I therefore have to select an aircraft on the 2D display (works fine), and then switch to 3D...only to see a white stalk or blank aircraft after all the hassle.

Its rather frustrating after paying good money for a 3D upgrade, and cannot use.

thanks

Title: Re: 3d aircraft MODELS
Post by: Pinza on March 19, 2011, 09:05:56 PM
Earlier today I downloaded and installed http://www.airnavsystems.com/download/ANRB/DBUpdater/ANRBDBUpdater20110313.exe

As documented on the thread relating to this updater, it installed in wrong directory - however successfully copied it across to where it belonged and have been running it for a few hours now.

I'm fairly happy with it but still have a problem with 'grey' planes flying around the Midlands!

It appears that I'm not alone with this problem - just wondering whether it is worth starting a new thread for missing skins? By this I mean a dedicated thread for missing skins with the details of the airframe that is missing - rather than a vague moan that I'm missing loads...

This might be more useful to AirNav to narrow down where the problem lies - any thoughts?

Before I (or anyone else) starts such a thread, this is what I am missing this evening:

HB-JVF F100 4B19EB Helvetic
G-OOPT A320 400953 Thomson
G-TOYK B733 401122 BmiBaby
LN-DYB B738 478538 Norwegian Air Shuttle
HA-LPI A320 473409 Wizz Air
EI-RJR RJ85 4CA4C3 City Jet
A6-EBV B77W 8960DD Emirates

All of the above created a correct 3D image but grey - ie no livery.

Certainly my Emirates flights always used to show correctly before I started updating my Nav.data.db3 file !!!

Title: Re: 3d aircraft MODELS
Post by: ACW367 on March 19, 2011, 11:23:30 PM
Earlier today I downloaded and installed http://www.airnavsystems.com/download/ANRB/DBUpdater/ANRBDBUpdater20110313.exe

As documented on the thread relating to this updater, it installed in wrong directory - however successfully copied it across to where it belonged and have been running it for a few hours now.

I'm fairly happy with it but still have a problem with 'grey' planes flying around the Midlands!

It appears that I'm not alone with this problem - just wondering whether it is worth starting a new thread for missing skins? By this I mean a dedicated thread for missing skins with the details of the airframe that is missing - rather than a vague moan that I'm missing loads...

This might be more useful to AirNav to narrow down where the problem lies - any thoughts?

Before I (or anyone else) starts such a thread, this is what I am missing this evening:

HB-JVF F100 4B19EB Helvetic
G-OOPT A320 400953 Thomson
G-TOYK B733 401122 BmiBaby
LN-DYB B738 478538 Norwegian Air Shuttle
HA-LPI A320 473409 Wizz Air
EI-RJR RJ85 4CA4C3 City Jet
A6-EBV B77W 8960DD Emirates

All of the above created a correct 3D image but grey - ie no livery.

Certainly my Emirates flights always used to show correctly before I started updating my Nav.data.db3 file !!!



There is certainly a bug that needs urgent attention.  But most of the examples you give will not have skins because Airnav never created them!

HB-JVF F100 4B19EB Helvetic - OAW F100 skin never created by Airnav

G-OOPT A320 400953 Thomson - TOM A320 skin never created by Airnav

G-TOYK B733 401122 BmiBaby - Airnav created a B733 for BMA (the main airline). The last B733 left that airline in 2007, 3 years before the creation of 3D.  They did not create a skin for bmiBaby BMI B733

LN-DYB B738 478538 Norwegian Air Shuttle - NAX skin never created by Airnav

HA-LPI A320 473409 Wizz Air - WZZ A320 skin never created by Airnav

EI-RJR RJ85 4CA4C3 City Jet - Airnav created a B463 for BCY. The last 146-300 left that airline in 2004, 6 years before the creation of 3D.  They did not create a skin for BCY RJ85

A6-EBV B77W 8960DD Emirates - Airnav created UAE skins for the other three 777 types operated by the airline B772, B773, B77L. But never created a B77W for any airline.

If you look in the GE models folder in your Airnav folder on your computer, you will be able to see which of the aircraft types should show a skin.  

Hope this helps you identify which ones should not be blank and have a bug against those that were never created with the original 3D release.

Regards ACW367
Title: Re: 3d aircraft MODELS
Post by: Pinza on March 20, 2011, 12:02:45 AM
Thanks ACW367,

Rather late - and must a-bed - will re-read your reply when I'm fresh in the morning!

Sounds like the latest NavData.db3 update has nothing to do with my problems - just missing skins from the original 3D release!

Will play with copying textures into new folders under my GE models folder. (Having backed everything up first!)

Regards
Chris

Title: Re: 3d aircraft MODELS
Post by: tarbat on March 20, 2011, 08:09:54 AM
If you look in the GE models folder in your Airnav folder on your computer, you will be able to see which of the aircraft types should show a skin.

If this helps.  Here's a list of each aircraft type with associated Flight IDs that will generate a 3D model with airline colours:

A300   FDX KAC MON QTR UPS
A306   FDX KAC MON QTR UPS
A310   FDX KAC PIA RZO SBI THY TSC
A318   AFR FFT MXA ROT
A319   AAF ACA AFL AFR AWE AZA BAW BER BMA CCA CNT CYP DLH EZS EZY FFT FIN GWI IBE ISS LHI MXA NKS NWA SAA SAS SBI SHT SWR TAM TAP TAR UAL VRD
A320   AAF ABY ACA ACM ADR AFL AFR AIC AJM ANZ AUA AWE AXM AZA BAW BER BGH BMA CIB CSA CSN CTN CYP DAL DLH EDW EEZ EIN EZY FCA FHY FIN GWY IBE IWD JBU JKK JST KFR LBT MON MSR MXA NLY NWA QTR RJA RZO SHT SWR TAM TAP TAR TCW TCX TGW THY UAL VIM VLG VRD
A321   AAF ABY ACA ACM ADR AFL AFR AIC AJM ANZ AUA AXM AZA BAW BER BGH BMA CIB CSA CSN CTN CYP DAL DLH EDW EEZ EIN EZY FCA FHY FIN GWY IBE IWD JBU JKK JST KFR LBT MON MSR MXA NLY NWA QTR RJA RZO SHT SWR TAM TAP TAR TCW TCX TGW THY UAL VIM VLG VRD
A332   AEA AFR ALK BER CES CSN EEZ EIN ETD EVA JST KLM LVG MON MPD MSR NWA QTR SWR TAM TAP TCX THY TSC UAE USA
A333   ACA AWE CAL CES CPA DAL DLH EIN GIA HDA IWD KAL LTU MAS NWA QFA QTR THA TSC
A343   AFR ALK CES DLH FIN IBE MAU MPD SAA SAS SWR TAP THT THY UAE VIR
A345   ETD QTR SAA UAE
A346   DLH IBE QTR SAA THA VIR
A380   AIB QFA SIA UAE
AT42   CAV CFS MTN
AT72   EFG
B462   AEE BCY BEL BLF BRT DLH FLI SWR
B463   AEE BCY BEL BLF BRT DLH FLI SWR
B717   HAL MEP TRS
B722   AJT CCI CJT FDX KFA
B732   AAH ANT BHS FAB PCE
B733   AEE AUI AWE BAL BMA COA DLH EXS FPO GMI JAT KAJ KNI LZB NAX OAL ROT SWA TAY UAL VEX
B734   ADH AEE AEW ASA AUI AWE BAW BEL CSA OAL SHY TSO VEX
B735   AUI BRU BTI COA DLH LGL LZB SWA TAR TVS
B736   BRA DAH MAH SAS TAR WJA
B737   AAH AEU AMX ASA AUH AZI BER BRA CCA CDG CES CGN CHH CHP CMP COA CSH CSN CSZ CUA CXA CXJ DAL DAN DNV EZY FJI GLO GMI HHI HLF HLX JAI KQA LCD LDA LGL MAH OMA PTI RAM ROT S2 SAS SCX SEY SNG SWA SXS TRA TRS TSO VOZ WJA
B738   AAL AEA ASA AUA AXB BER BSK CJA COA DAH DAL ECA ELY GSM HLX JAI KLM KYV LDA MAH PGT QFA RAM RYR SAS SCX SWG SXS THY TOM TRA TVS VOZ WJA
B739   ASA COA KAL KLM
B742   CKS EIA GTI NWA SVA
B744   AAR AFR AIC ANZ BAW CAL CCA CLX CPA CRL DAL DLH ELY EVA GTI JAL KAL KLM MAS NCA PAC QFA SIA SOO SQC SVA THA UAL VIR
B74F   CLX GTI JAL NCA PAC SIA SOO
B752   AAL AEU COA DAL DLH ERO EXS FDX FIN ICE MON NAO OAE SXS TCV TCX TOM UAL UPS UZB
B753   AIZ CFG COA DAL ICE NWA TCX
B762   AAL ABX AWE COA ELY TPA TSO USA
B763   AAL ABX AFL ANA AWE AZA BAW BPA CCA CFG COA DAL ELY ETH GSM HAL JAF JAL LAN LOT MON MPH NAO RAM TOM TPA TSO UAL UPS UZB
B764   COA DAL
B772   AAL AAR AFR AIA ANZ AZA BAW CCA COA CPA CSN DAL ELY HVN JAL KAL KLM KQA MAS MSR PIA SIA SVA THA UAE UAL
B773   ACA AFR ANA CPA ETD EVA KAL SIA UAE
B77L   ACA AFR ANA CPA ETD EVA KAL SIA UAE
CRJ2   ASH AWI CAA CHQ COM FLG JIA JZA MES SKW
CRJ7   ASH CAA COM EFG GJS JIA QXA SKW
CRJ9   ASH COM FLG FRL JZA MES SKW
DC10   AFL APW CIU FDX OAE WOA
DH8A   AIE BHS CJC CRQ ERH JZA LGL LIA MKU PDT POE QXE SSX USA
E120   GLA SKW
E135   CHQ EGF
E145   ASH CHQ COA EGF LOF SLI USA
E170   RPA TCF
E190   ACA AWE JBU VOZ
F100   AFR AUA KLM OAW PGA
F70    AUA KLM MAH
IL96   AFL CUB
MD10   AFL APW CIU FDX OAE WOA
MD11   AFL DLH FDX FIN GEC KLM SVA UPS WOA
MD83   AAL AAY BUC DAL OHY
MD90   DAL SVA
Title: Re: 3d aircraft MODELS
Post by: Pinza on March 20, 2011, 11:54:56 AM
Thanks for that list Tarbat - it appears that my grey planes aren't in it - explains a lot!

Chris