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Title: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: AirNav Development on February 04, 2011, 04:56:28 AM
We are happy to announce the release of a brand new aircraft database for AirNav RadarBox. It contains over 90 thousand aircraft details and is the result of an extensive work of a volunteer database updater team.

Installation instructions:
1- Close AirNav RadarBox software if it running;

2- Download the installer from:
http://www.airnavsystems.com/Download/ANRB/DBUpdater/ANRBDBUpdater201102.exe

3- Run the installer and the new database will be copied to the proper AirNav RadarBox folder;

4- Start AirNav RadarBox and it will start using data from this updated db.

This database contains over 90 thousand aircraft: errors are possible. Please report any incorrect record on the "Database Update Requests" topic:
http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=5633.0

Also note that the installation routine will override the aircraft database you have on your computer so if you want to keep it do a backup of the navdata.db3 file existing on your RadarBox\Data folder.

We would like to say thanks for the outstanding work of the database updater team who continues to work daily to guarantee that the aircraft database is as accurate as possible. Work continues at AirNav Systems and we will keep you updated when we have more news for the RadarBox and other projects.
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: bratters on February 04, 2011, 07:38:31 AM
Thank you all concerned.
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: Marpleman on February 04, 2011, 08:05:55 AM
Great work guys!!!

It was a pleasure being involved in the project from its birth - sorry I couldn't commit enough time going forward, but well done to andrew for stepping into the task at a critical stage.

Everyone - please,please remember, the guys have given up a huge amount of their personal time to make this happen - there will undoubtedly be errors/omissions etc, but let's keep things reasonable and now build on this vastly superior position we will be in??

AirNav - hopefully we can continue to release further files on a regular basis, as other fixes are effected??

Might I suggest a brief overview of the areas within the database which are still known to not be working correctly,such as photos/ICAO ref mechanics of pulling info back from the server, as otherwise you're going to get bombarded with queries/complaints etc?

Regards

Rich
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: AirNav Development on February 04, 2011, 08:38:39 AM
We are able to even automate the updater and create a new database each 15 days (or 30 days). Let us first check what has been done until now so we can prepare the future.

Regarding database contents: that's with the updaters.
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: nortonbeak on February 04, 2011, 09:03:59 AM
Hearty thanks to all concerned in this development.

Well done! :-)
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: tarbat on February 04, 2011, 10:11:49 AM
Sorry to be critical, but this new database doesn't seem to solve the ICAO Type problem.  With this new database I now have over 6000 aircraft with ICAO Type codes that don't have a matching silhouette.  Maybe you need to release a new silhouettes folder, or correct any of these that are invalid ICAO Type Codes.
316   1
A138   1
A148   9
A22L   1
A330   10
A388   72
A400   5
A504   2
AC52   1
AC68   3
AC80   28
ACAM   3
ACAR   3
ACED   1
ACR2   5
ADVE   3
AIGT   3
AJET   17
AKRO   4
AL60   1
ALGR   1
ALIG   3
ALPI   2
AN30   3
AN32   26
ANGL   1
ANSN   1
AP22   21
APM2   2
AR11   8
AS02   28
AS14   1
AS16   8
AS20   5
AS21   40
AS22   5
AS24   13
AS25   29
AS26   20
AS27   1
AS28   16
AS29   21
AS31   1
AS3B   40
AS44   1
ASO4   1
AT3P   3
AT3T   4
AT46   1
AT5P   1
AT5T   8
AT62   1
AT6T   2
AT73   65
AT75   265
AT76   1
AT8T   8
ATL   12
AUJ4   1
AUS5   16
AUS6   4
AUS9   1
AV68   8
AVID   10
B106   1
B14C   1
B205   2
B206   3
B207   3
B212   11
B25B   1
B422   1
B47   4
B47J   1
B530   1
B747   1
B748   5
B74D   12
B757   1
B77L   88
BASS   2
BD4   1
BE12   1
BE17   2
BE19   6
BE3D   1
BE57   1
BE59   1
BE77   4
BE80   2
BE88   2
BFIT   1
BIPL   1
BL11   2
BLKS   1
BOLT   4
BRAV   3
BREZ   10
BROU   3
BU31   60
BU33   10
BU81   1
BVI   1
BX2   17
C06T   2
C07T   2
C0L3   1
C0L4   1
C106   5
C10M   1
C10T   5
C162   3
C170   22
C188   10
C2   23
C201   1
C209   2
C21O   1
C24   1
C25C   14
C365   1
C401   5
C411   3
C415   1
C430   1
C52   1
C526   1
C55   2
C56C   1
C580   1
C83R   1
CA25   2
CA65   1
CA7T   1
CA8   1
CAMP   7
CASS   5
CAT   2
CB1   1
CD2   1
CE43   8
CH20   1
CH30   4
CH7   9
CH70   13
CHR4   1
CJ1   2
CJ6   9
CJR2   1
CLA   1
CNBR   1
CNUK   1
CONI   2
CORO   1
CORS   3
COYO   1
COZY   4
CP13   3
CP20   1
CP21   1
CP23   10
CP30   7
CP32   2
CRER   2
CRES   24
CRJX   11
CRUZ   97
CT4   6
CZUR   1
D120   1
D140   24
D18   3
D190   1
D250   18
D253   14
D28T   2
D31   4
DA20   158
DA30   1
DA36   1
DA50   1
DAL4   16
DC3S   2
DC3T   3
DC92   1
DFLY   3
DG1T   20
DG40   27
DG50   38
DG60   7
DG80   79
DH3T   3
DH60   4
DH80   2
DH83   3
DH87   1
DH9   1
DH90   1
DH94   1
DIMP   1
DISC   81
DJET   2
DO27   12
DO28   2
DR1   8
DR22   8
DR25   2
DR4-   1
DR50   2
DUOD   64
DV22   1
DWD2   2
E175   2
E195   1
E200   6
E230   2
E2CB   1
E314   5
E45X   104
E500   2
E50P   149
E55P   37
E737   7
E8   2
EAGX   3
EC25   34
ECH0   1
EDGE   5
EF20   1
EGRT   1
ELST   1
EP9   1
EVIC   2
EVOL   4
EVSS   9
EXEC   29
EXPR   3
F150   1
F152   1
F156   2
F18   4
F200   1
F4   50
F5   1
F60   2
F86   1
FA01   2
FA24   9
FA62   2
FAET   2
FALC   1
FB1A   5
FBA2   2
FDMC   2
FINC   1
FK12   7
FK14   9
FK9   37
FL55   1
FLE2   1
FLIZ   7
FLSS   2
FOUG   6
FOX   45
FRED   1
FU24   56
FURY   3
FW44   1
G103   4
G140   1
G164   8
G202   1
G21G   1
G21T   1
G250   3
G2CA   4
G2GL   1
G44   5
G450   2
G46   1
G550   1
G73   2
GA20   8
GAUN   1
GC1   10
GC1B   1
GC8   1
GLF6   15
GLIB   1
GLIG   1
GLSP   1
GM17   1
GOLF   13
GP3   2
GP4   1
GSIS   1
GX   23
GY20   8
H2   1
H207   2
H40   1
H60   52
HB21   1
HB23   5
HB27   6
HCAT   1
HDJT   2
HI27   1
HM38   1
HN70   7
HR20   28
HROC   7
HUML   1
IFUR   4
IL22   11
IMPU   7
IS28   2
ISPT   1
J1   13
J2   2
J3   117
J5   3
JAB2   3
JAJ5   1
JANU   17
JB15   3
JCOM   11
JD2   1
JT1   2
JT2   1
KA27   2
KA32   1
KAP5   1
KIS2   1
KIWI   1
KL07   5
KL35   1
KMAX   6
KNTW   1
KR2   11
KZ2   1
KZ7   2
L10   2
L11   2
L13   2
L159   1
L181   3
L29   3
L29B   17
L37   1
L40   3
L5   2
L70   1
L90   1
LAE1   17
LAZR   1
LC41   4
LC42   1
LK17   5
LK19   2
LNCP   2
LNP4   28
LS10   1
LS4   5
LS8   42
LYSA   1
M10   1
M20   1
M200   2
M20K   1
M20R   2
M212   1
M22   3
M28   1
M2HK   1
M2OT   1
M311   1
M338   1
M339   24
M6   7
MAGN   1
MB2   2
MC10   4
MC45   1
MD3   1
ME02   1
ME08   3
ME09   3
MESS   3
MF17   1
MG17   1
MG21   4
MI8   1
MIRA   1
MJ10   1
MJ5   1
MJ7   1
MNCU   1
MOR2   3
MS31   2
MS73   2
MS76   26
MXS   4
MY13   1
N/A   474
N120   1
N3N   1
NG4   3
NH90   2
NIMB   44
NIPR   4
NY   1
O1   11
OLDP   4
OSCR   2
OV1   1
P06T   13
P2   1
P208   2
P28E   1
P32T   38
P337   17
P36   1
P38   5
P40   3
P51   22
P69   1
P8   5
P80   1
PA11   12
PA14   3
PA15   1
PA17   2
PA20   7
PA22   65
PA25   31
PA36   2
PAT4   2
PAYI   1
PETR   1
PICO   4
PINO   3
PISI   5
PITA   3
PK11   1
PK15   6
PK18   1
PK20   4
PK21   2
PK23   2
PKAN   4
PL12   2
PL2   1
PNR2   7
PNR4   1
PO2   1
PO60   1
PP2   9
PP3   17
PPRO   3
PREN   1
PROC   4
PRTS   1
PT22   1
PT70   1
PT80   3
PTMS   1
PTS2   30
PTSA   1
PUP   7
QIC2   1
QR01   1
QUIC   1
R-44   1
R300   23
R66   7
R721   4
R722   12
R90   4
RAF2   1
RAV5   1
RBEL   5
RC11   1
RC3   2
RC70   1
RD12   1
REBL   4
RELI   2
RENE   2
RF10   5
RF3   3
RF4   2
RF47   2
RF5   8
RJ03   2
RLU1   1
RODS   4
RS12   1
RS18   5
RV-4   1
RV-7   1
RV-8   2
RV12   3
RV3   5
RV4   33
RYST   2
S1   2
S10   11
S108   11
S10S   23
S11   6
S210   1
S223   2
S2F   2
S2P   2
S2T   1
S3   1
S320   1
S38   1
S51D   1
S55P   1
S6   1
S62   1
S64   3
S65C   4
S70   6
S75   1
S900   4
SA   1
SA02   1
SA30   5
SAH1   1
SAKO   1
SASP   4
SAVG   1
SB05   1
SB29   1
SB91   12
SBOY   2
SBR   1
SC01   10
SCAM   1
SCOR   1
SCOU   1
SD36   1
SE5A   5
SE5R   1
SEAW   1
SF2   2
SF20   2
SF23   1
SF27   1
SF28   6
SF36   1
SF50   1
SGUP   1
SH33   2
SHEK   1
SIDE   1
SKYC   1
SKYR   2
SNS7   1
SONX   3
SPHA   1
SPST   2
SRAI   5
SREY   2
SS2T   1
ST30   1
ST75   24
STOR   2
SU26   4
SU29   3
SU95   4
SVNH   13
SW2   38
SX30   36
SYCA   2
SYMP   3
Sr22   1
T182   1
T206   1
T210   1
T211   1
T214   10
T28   7
T34   2
T34P   5
T38   40
T38A   1
T51   1
TA20   1
TAIL   1
TAYD   2
TAYM   1
TB21   1
TBEE   1
TBM   1
TCAT   1
TEX   1
TEX2   221
TEXA   1
TF19   1
TGM8   1
TL20   2
TMUS   1
TRIB   1
TRIM   1
TRUN   1
TUCA   3
U21   20
U60   1
UF10   5
UF13   6
UH1   37
UH12   4
UH60   2
UHEL   5
UKAC   1
UL10   1
ULAV   5
ULAX   1
UT75   1
V1   1
V10   2
V322   5
VALI   1
VAMP   9
VENT   112
VENY   1
VIPJ   1
VIX   1
VJ22   1
VL3   6
VM1   1
VNOM   3
VO10   2
VP1   1
VP2   7
VTUR   1
VULC   1
WA40   4
WA41   1
WA42   1
WA59   1
WACC   2
WACO   1
WAIX   1
WASO   1
WASP   2
WB57   1
WESX   2
WFOC   2
WHKN   1
WILT   1
WOPU   1
X182   1
XA42   3
XA85   1
Y18T   12
YK11   3
YK53   1
YK55   8
Z26   16
Z37P   1
Z42   9
Z50   2
ZEPH   2
ZZZZ   477
b407   1
be33   1
c185   1
c414   1
f900   1
fa50   1
g150   1
lj60   1
pc12   2
tbm7   1
tbm8   1
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: Marpleman on February 04, 2011, 10:29:15 AM
I would have presumed the new file would give a fix for the old records that previously produced nothing in the ICAO field, but am suprised with the incorrect ones being in there??

If this is correct on the face of it, it should be an easy fix for the next release??


I think the silhouette scenario is totally out of the hands of the updating team, and is an architectural issue that AirNav are working on, so am not suprised.

As I mentioned in my earlier post, I think a quick resume of what we know are still outstanding issues would be a good idea?

Good to hear that we appear to be moving to a more periodical issue also!

Rich
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: Tramline on February 04, 2011, 11:21:42 AM
A rare forage into the murky world of the database debate but can I ask a simple question?

AirNav have always stated what a professional bit of kit and what a market leader the ANRB is SO why doesn't it not use a a market leading and accurate database system to support ANRB?

Can AirNav or anyone who knows the definitive answer respond?

And this is not intended to be a slight upon those who have given up so much of their time and dedication to put together the database.
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: eyeinthesky on February 04, 2011, 11:33:18 AM
A rare forage into the murky world of the database debate but can I ask a simple question?

AirNav have always stated what a professional bit of kit and what a market leader the ANRB is SO why doesn't it not use a a market leading and accurate database system to support ANRB?

Can AirNav or anyone who knows the definitive answer respond?

And this is not intended to be a slight upon those who have given up so much of their time and dedication to put together the database.

Simple money.
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: Marpleman on February 04, 2011, 12:37:17 PM
To be fair though - how many enthusiast databases are there out in the open , that don't require some sort of subscription to receive regular updates to databases?

I understand the need to frequently update the db initially provided with the purchase of software and hardware, so in that context , it's a fair point.

Given that at present, the updaters are volunteers, and are undertaking a mammoth task, I think it's only fair that the fruits of their work are passed on , on a regular basis.

If AirNav did go down the professional route, in involving some commercial venture to provide the info, from admittedly a more accurate data source, then I also think it's a reasonable expectation to pass the cost on, if regular updates are issued?

For the time being, we've got a welcome platform to now move forward on, so let's get behind the team and help them further improve things?

Rich
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: Tramline on February 04, 2011, 12:57:09 PM
To be fair though - how many enthusiast databases are there out in the open , that don't require some sort of subscription to receive regular updates to databases?

I understand the need to frequently update the db initially provided with the purchase of software and hardware, so in that context , it's a fair point.

Given that at present, the updaters are volunteers, and are undertaking a mammoth task, I think it's only fair that the fruits of their work are passed on , on a regular basis.

If AirNav did go down the professional route, in involving some commercial venture to provide the info, from admittedly a more accurate data source, then I also think it's a reasonable expectation to pass the cost on, if regular updates are issued?

For the time being, we've got a welcome platform to now move forward on, so let's get behind the team and help them further improve things?

Rich

Rich, honestly I was not decrying all the hard efforts and I do appreciate them.  My question was 'if ANRB is pushed as the 'market leader' etc why it does not invest in a professional database supplier? thats all...

Perhaps a paid subscription for such a database maybe acceptable - has AirNav ever canvassed their users?

I really enjoy using my ANRB, its good product but it can always be improved IMHO.

Again, there is no slight intended upon the updaters and I'm very grateful for their efforts.
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: Runway 31 on February 04, 2011, 01:08:09 PM
Tramline.

The answer to your question is for Airnav.  However as you state the product can always be improved upon and the database is no exception.  

The updaters know there are particular areas needing more work than others and there are corrections required.  The updating is an ongoing process and this work continues, it doesnt stop here.  Model standardisation work for example is ongoing with biz jets, Canadairs, Bombardiers, Embraers, Pipers all having been completed.  

We could I suppose have held back until everything had been standardised but the time was right for the initial release and others will have been carried out by the next release.

Considering where the database was last May we have come a long way but there is still a long way to go and corrections, comments and suggestions from users are welcome.

Alan
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: Marpleman on February 04, 2011, 01:58:15 PM
[quote author=Tramline link=topic=5877.msg61042#msg61042 Rich, honestly I was not decrying all the hard efforts and I do appreciate them.  My question was 'if ANRB is pushed as the 'market leader' etc why it does not invest in a professional database supplier? thats all...

Perhaps a paid subscription for such a database maybe acceptable - has AirNav ever canvassed their users?

I really enjoy using my ANRB, its good product but it can always be improved IMHO.

Again, there is no slight intended upon the updaters and I'm very grateful for their efforts.
[/quote]

Totally understand mate!

I think the points you've raised are very valid

Sorry if my response was mis-guided


I think Alan's post puts it all into perspective
R
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: Horsham Spotter on February 04, 2011, 03:13:30 PM
Good afternoon AirNav Development.

I emptied my database aircraft records so as to start a fresh 14 months ago.
All the fields are full and a lot of work has gone into keeping it up to date.
Most of the records include local general aviation, comercial and military.

To date I have just over 14000 in my database.

If I download this new database I'm not to sure if I will lose a lot of the local records that I have. So will I be better of with this new database or the one that I have worked on for over a year.

Please not that the database team have done a great job and I do help them with unpopulated record's.

Thank you.
Steve.
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: Marpleman on February 04, 2011, 03:29:13 PM
Good afternoon AirNav Development.

I emptied my database aircraft records so as to start a fresh 14 months ago.
All the fields are full and a lot of work has gone into keeping it up to date.
Most of the records include local general aviation, comercial and military.

To date I have just over 14000 in my database.

If I download this new database I'm not to sure if I will lose a lot of the local records that I have. So will I be better of with this new database or the one that I have worked on for over a year.

Please not that the database team have done a great job and I do help them with unpopulated record's.

Thank you.
Steve.

Steve

Don't do a thing - I'm certain that this will completely over-write everything in you Navdata file,so if you work on it yourself, at the very least, take a back up of your existing file, and move it well away!!!

I'm sure there are ways of combining your info, but it's beyond me!

There are approx 100k records on the new file, but you will know best what works for you in your locality, asopposed to having around 80k records you'll never see??

Can't believe this hasn't been given as a warning on the instructions - unless I've missed it??

Rich
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: EK01 on February 04, 2011, 03:31:02 PM
Second last paragraph of the instructions !
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: Runway 31 on February 04, 2011, 03:33:16 PM
Hi Steve,

The Navdata will over write any records you already have, as stated in the opening to the thread.  There are around 95,000 records of all types of aircraft in the Navdata but I cannot state with any certainty that all the ones you have in yours are included.  If they are not included you will loose them but any you have provided details for are included.  I would suggest that the ones likely to be missing wil be local general aviation as we have good coverage of commercial and military aircraft likely to be seen in your location.

Like you we have worked on it for coming up on a year but there are around another 300,000 aircraft still out there which we dont have details on, yet.

Only you can decide on whether to update but I am sure that any missing aircraft will be quickly added, especially if you continue to update us as you have been doing.

Any new British aircraft are normally added the day following the CAA update.

Alan

Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: Horsham Spotter on February 04, 2011, 03:50:53 PM
To all the update team and AirNav Development.
Thank you for all your hard work.

I will keep to my aircraft database.
I total support the update team and will send any unpopulated records to them.

Have a good weekend all.

Steve.
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: Bob SEN on February 04, 2011, 03:58:09 PM
Yep I echo the words of thanks to the updaters team.......... I HAVE installed the new DB but have also backed up my old file.......... so far though IMHO it all looks good...

cheers all

Bob
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: AirNav Development on February 04, 2011, 04:00:49 PM
Please continue your discussion and we will collect all valid points to further improve the database upating project.
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: Dana on February 04, 2011, 04:05:40 PM
Hi ,
With this new database everything is wrong : wrong route, wrong silhouette ( ATR 72 appear with the silhouette of ATR 75 ) and the airport code are wrong too or incomplete ( EGLL appear as simply London, but in London are more than one airport)....
Everyone have any idea about how I can recover the old data ????
Thank you.
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: chewycanes on February 04, 2011, 04:26:50 PM
Hi
Make sure you copy your old Navdata files to a safe place before installing the new files. I like others have modified the files over the last few months and i am having to resolve an issue which may have resulted from those changes.

BACK-UP.... before installation.

Brian
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: RodBearden on February 04, 2011, 04:28:20 PM
Thay's a point - Dev - can you please confirm that it is only the Aircraft table that is updated with this? I've assumed that all the other tables are unaffected by it, but if what Dana says is right, we might have a problem (though I did back up my Navdata file before updating).

Rod
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: Marpleman on February 04, 2011, 04:35:27 PM
Second last paragraph of the instructions !

I stand corrected - apologies!!!
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: tarbat on February 04, 2011, 04:39:07 PM
Have to say I've also reverted to my backup.  My routes are more up-to-date, and I already get my aircraft data directly from GAS anyway.

What we need is an update routine a bit like DBPOP (http://www.dbpop.co.uk/), where aircraft records can be ADDED, REMOVED, or CHANGED without affecting what's already been updated in the database by the end-user.
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: Dana on February 04, 2011, 04:39:45 PM
Unfortunately I lost my old Navdata... and now everithing was affected with this new Navdata : the airport name are incomplete, some airports have no name only the ICAO code , also I lost lots of routes....
I am very disappointed ....
One advice for all users : Make a back-up before installation otherwise you will have other tables affected  :(((((

Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: RodBearden on February 04, 2011, 04:57:40 PM
I've had to go back to my backup database, too. The update does update the other tables, too, and I'm losing too many changes to them.

The update will be great for new users, but what I wanted was just an update to the Aircraft Table. Still, I don't change photos myself, so I can still update my existing aircraft table by occasionally deleting alll the photos.

Rod
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: andrewarles on February 04, 2011, 06:19:33 PM
All,

The updaters know there are particular areas needing more work than others and there are corrections required.  The updating is an ongoing process and this work continues, it doesnt stop here.  Model standardisation work for example is ongoing with biz jets, Canadairs, Bombardiers, Embraers, Pipers all having been completed.  
 

To qualify Alan’s previous post regarding standardization.

All Piper aircraft have not yet been standardized. The following types have been done: P46T, PA38, PA46, PA31, PAY1, PAY2, PAY4, P28A, P28B, P28R, P28T, and PA32, P32R, P32T were in progress at the time of issue.  There are still a number of types to be done such as the PA60.

It’s a similar case with Embraer.  The following types have been done: E120, E135, E145. The E110 has not yet been standardized.

Without listing them all, types such as SW2, SW3, SW4, DH8A, DH8B, DH8C, DH8D, and a large part of all business jets have all been standardized.

We don’t just standardize each type. C/n duplicates are checked and deleted where necessary, c/n’s against registrations were checked for a number of bizjet types etc etc.. in order to give you all, a near as possible, accurate database.

However, errors can arise, so if anyone notices an error, no matter how small it is (spelling mistake, lowercase instead of uppercase etc..)  please tell us.

Hopefully in the next NavData release all Pipers and Embraers will be standardized.

Andrew
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: Blincodave on February 04, 2011, 08:48:00 PM
Real progress. A big thanks to everybody involved.

Dave
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: knight01 on February 04, 2011, 11:56:32 PM
Thanks for the hard work, but I've also gone back to my backup copy.  The aircraft data now looks good and complete.  

The airport data is worse.  Most major cities have more than one airport. For example, every airport in London is listed as London, England, when they should be London Heathrow, London City, London Stansted etc.  I didn't check other cities.

I also noticed JFK airport is showing up as Jamaica, United States and EHAM Schiphol is showing as "near somewhere" (can't remember the place name).

The database update is going in the right direction, but not good enough yet.  Someone should have checked the data first before release.
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: freqhopping on February 05, 2011, 02:25:09 AM
I'll stick with my database of over 466,000 records.
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: NF2G on February 05, 2011, 04:21:44 AM
KJFK is in a part of Queens, NY, known as Jamaica.  In fact, it sits right next to Jamaica Bay.  For people unfamiliar with local geography, that location is probably too specific.  New York, NY would work better.

I have not updated my ANRB databases, so I will install this update.  But I am concerned about the inaccuracies being described by others.  How can it occur that so many new errors were introduced? 

I use PlanePlotter for primary aircraft identification and data sharing, so even if ANRB's database is missing or dead wrong, the errors have no direct effect on my monitoring except possibly some inconvenience.  Still, it's hard to recommend ANRB with a straight face knowing about the data problems it has.
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: Marpleman on February 05, 2011, 08:15:56 AM
AirNav

what on earth is the reason for all these reported errors in the airports table???

It's a bit like taking your car to the garage, getting your engine fixed, and then driving off , only for your wheels to fall off!!

As far as I was aware, there didn't appear to be too much of a problem with the airports, but now we've taken a backward step?

Advances made on the aircraft table appear to be very encouraging, but this then makes a mockery of it.

Can you please put us all in the picture?
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: bratters on February 05, 2011, 08:28:53 AM
Some posts here ringing a bell.

Firstly regarding the download warning screen. I thought the warning was headed "Aircraft", with no mention made of routes. Hence no back-up hence the work done over past weeks on routes has been wasted and I'm back to square one. Ugh.

Secondly airport names - I recall seeing a flight last night destined for a UK airport called Baginton which us locals would call Coventry. However I thought this might have come through FlightDisplay - which is getting hammered and for which I am very thankful guys.
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: Runway 31 on February 05, 2011, 08:43:35 AM
Please note that the airport data has nothing to do with the updater team, we only update aircraft data.

Alan
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: chewycanes on February 05, 2011, 08:45:28 AM
I know this has been a major problem for those of us who edit or enhance the database by other means.

All i can say is that i make a copy of the two databases everynight after i shut down Airnav (especially if i have made any changes). These files i copy into a database back-up folder.

That way if i have a corruption of Airnav or some virus i can still retrieve yesterdays data.

We get too lazy about back-ups until we have a problem. But if you put the effort into doing the work a few seconds to copy 4 files (.bak files as well) is a god send when it all goes ..... up.

Brian

Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: bratters on February 05, 2011, 09:34:55 AM
Wise words Brian. There's nothing to beat a memory stick - moreso if you remember to use it!
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: bratters on February 05, 2011, 09:36:21 AM
Please note that the airport data has nothing to do with the updater team, we only update aircraft data.

Alan

So where does that data come from Alan?
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: Runway 31 on February 05, 2011, 09:47:27 AM
I presume from Airnav?

Alan
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: orkney on February 05, 2011, 09:51:11 AM
Hello

We have nothing to do with the airports. We only update Aircraft and all other tables are done by Airnav. The airport name does appear to be in the database but it isn't displayed for some reason. See the attached screenshot of the EGLL record from this new database.

Andrew
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: Bob SEN on February 05, 2011, 11:54:16 AM
also the 3d model of the A380 has switched to the default grey aircraft, a minor problem I know...... but, needs looking at..........

cheers

Bob
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: jasper37 on February 05, 2011, 12:40:24 PM
many thx for the hard work involved re this update to all concerned
greatly appreciated

rgds jasper
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: ACW367 on February 05, 2011, 12:53:19 PM
Bob, the icao bug meant that these previouslymostly populated as A380. they are now in Navdata as correct A388. you need to make sure the skins you want are against both codes. again we updaters have previously highlighted this to airnav
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: AirNav Support on February 05, 2011, 01:05:01 PM
We are investigating the airport data. Apologies for any inconvenience.
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: RodBearden on February 05, 2011, 01:10:46 PM
I have made changes to the Airlines table, and the update lost them, too.

The unfortunate thing is that because aircraft use odd flight IDs, just having correct codes in the airlines table isn't necessarily going to produce the correct logos in RadarBox, so I update the table with actual codes used. Because of this, I don't want my airlines table overwriten at all, even with correct data.

Perhaps the next version of the updater could ask us which tables we want to update.

Rod
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: andrewarles on February 05, 2011, 02:21:04 PM
I would like to thank one of our loyal followers for pointing out 2 errors that recently slipped in on Bombardiers and 1 on Challengers – all 3 have now been corrected.

With regard to PA28's, unfortunately, contrary to what I stated on my last post, they were in progress with the PA32’s - my mistake. This was down to a timing issue between when AirNav took the current NavData, and when it was released.  If you look carefully at the PA28’s there are probably a lot more errors than those that you have pointed out.  All PA28’s and PA32’s have now been standardized and will be in the next release.

If you would care to go through all other ICAO’s mentioned it would be very much appreciated. The four of us have a very difficult task and every little helps.

Thank you for your contribution.

Andrew
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: bratters on February 05, 2011, 02:44:18 PM

Perhaps the next version of the updater could ask us which tables we want to update.

Rod

Yes- good idea.
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: AirNav Development on February 05, 2011, 02:58:56 PM
It's good to see all the good and bad feedback coming.

We will wait for a final report of the probems found to be made (in 2-3 days) so we can make all the requested changes and release a new database. Please keep the feedback and error reporting coming and we will work on improving the current data and release a new database.
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: Marpleman on February 05, 2011, 07:04:19 PM
'Tell you what............make the changes required in 2-3 days,and then take another 2-3 days getting someone to test it thoroughly???

I really feel for those who've lost data, when on the face it appeared only the aircraft table was going to be overwritten?

If it takes more time to test it,I'll happily wait another week before doing anything more.
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: tarbat on February 05, 2011, 07:07:56 PM
If you would care to go through all other ICAO’s mentioned it would be very much appreciated. The four of us have a very difficult task and every little helps.

I personally don't have the time to correct the 436 aircraft with invalid ICAO Type codes, but the list is attached is someone wants to work on this.
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: Runway 31 on February 05, 2011, 09:54:46 PM
Thanks very much Tarbat for your efforts in providing the list its very much appreciated.  All the necessary changes have been made in the d/b.

No excuses, apologies all round. I have to stick my hands up for the Katanas, dont know how I managed to make them DA20's.  To many hours in front of the screen just like today I think.

Regards and thanks again.

Alan
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: tarbat on February 05, 2011, 10:23:30 PM
Thanks very much Tarbat for your efforts in providing the list its very much appreciated.  All the necessary changes have been made in the d/b

Glad I could help in a small way.  Maybe there's more automated validations we could develop to ensure aircraft data consistency.
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: vonsmalhausen on February 06, 2011, 10:04:21 AM
glad to see there is good work being done on the DB, as i'm not using the silouettes and the strange airfield names don't bother me to much, i intend to keep this update till the "bugfix" comes out ( i hope in a couple of days )
anyway, big thank you to the DB team :-)
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: chewycanes on February 06, 2011, 06:32:33 PM
Airnav
Alan on the 'Update posts' has had posts reffering to duplicate entries in explorer to which i have had the same since using the new databse.

 I have edited in the past in explorer and mylog the 'small type' field as they were empty for small aircraft.

Since using the new database i have had 3 small aircraft detected that cause a duplicate entry in explorer database.

If you delete one of them then it dissapears for a while but then returns. I believe that if you delete the other it does seem to stay deleted. Hoewever i don't know what will happen if the aircraft is detected again.

Please investigate.

Brian



Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: Runway 31 on February 06, 2011, 07:09:15 PM
Brian

Can you post me the hexes involved. I think we may know the reason.

Alan
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: chewycanes on February 06, 2011, 07:12:48 PM
Alan
The three are

A94217
3D0DE6
44052D

Hope it helps

Brian
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: Northern Watch on February 07, 2011, 10:26:28 AM
'Tell you what............make the changes required in 2-3 days,and then take another 2-3 days getting someone to test it thoroughly???

I really feel for those who've lost data, when on the face it appeared only the aircraft table was going to be overwritten?

If it takes more time to test it,I'll happily wait another week before doing anything more.

I concur with Mapleman.  Also can someone please give me an idea on how often these updates will be released as I take it that the idea is to virtually do away with manual updates to the DB via explorer?

Regards

Keith
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: AirNav Support on February 07, 2011, 10:28:41 AM
Once the new version of RadarBox is released this will include updates in a better way which will allow updated to be pushed through.

The current system cannot cope with that and hence we are providing these updates for those who want to update there databases and those who do not use there boxes with internet access.

If you have done changes to your own database then this is not for you.
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: Marpleman on February 07, 2011, 10:53:04 AM
Once the new version of RadarBox is released this will include updates in a better way which will allow updated to be pushed through.


Whenis this likely to be though in all honesty???

There's still no explanation been given, other than the responses admirably given from the updaters (who evidently had no impact on the topic), as to why all non-aircraft data has suddenly gone pear-shaped??

Does this mean we're now in limbo for another couple of months?

The current system cannot cope with that and hence we are providing these updates for those who want to update there databases and those who do not use there boxes with internet access.

If you have done changes to your own database then this is not for you.

It may , in hindsight have been just a tad useful to have made this more apparent last Friday?

Hats off to the updaters in attempting to deal with all this - however , I think some serious overview is required here as to how this is to be taken forward constructively, to retain some integrity, and at least to give the forum community a better idea of where they stand with respect to deliverables?

I'd rather know that we're in for a month, two month, six month wait, and then achieve this, rather than pottering around in the dark, poking a stick at unknowns?

Regards

Rich

Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: AirNav Support on February 07, 2011, 11:00:24 AM
Marpleman,

We apologise and do agree that should have highlighted to customers more clearly as well as the installer should have backed up the navdata that was currently being used.

Our initial thought was that this update was only going to be used by those who haven't changed details in there navdata and just wanted an update. Regarding to some of the none aircraft tables not having correct data will be rectified as soon as possible. This should happen within the next week or so.

As mentioned in other posts, RadarBox software will be high priority to all our developers as soon as ShipTrax software is signed off which is now just round the corner.
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: DaveG on February 07, 2011, 02:09:41 PM
As mentioned in other posts, RadarBox software will be high priority to all our developers as soon as ShipTrax software is signed off which is now just round the corner.

Sorry to say, but Radarbox software should have had priority before ShipTrax as RB is the product  being used by customers NOW.   

Hows this all going to work when ShipTrax is release and bugs found within that, does it mean now both products will only have 50% of the developers time?
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: Marpleman on February 07, 2011, 03:11:32 PM
As mentioned in other posts, RadarBox software will be high priority to all our developers as soon as ShipTrax software is signed off which is now just round the corner.


Sorry to say, but Radarbox software should have had priority before ShipTrax as RB is the product  being used by customers NOW.   

Hows this all going to work when ShipTrax is release and bugs found within that, does it mean now both products will only have 50% of the developers time?

Possibly the most concise and relevant post on the whole thread!

Well put Dave
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: AirNav Support on February 07, 2011, 03:14:19 PM
Of course we would like to do that as well but ShipTrax has also been delayed a while and that has taken priority.

We have many products that are go through updates etc.. though as we have mentioned RB will the priority once ShipTrax software is signed off.
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: CoastGuardJon on February 07, 2011, 08:24:43 PM



Once the new version of RadarBox is released this will include updates in a better way which will allow updated to be pushed through.

Ah, at last, perhaps a little glimpse into the future - this would appear to infer a new item of hardware, not software is on the way - so probably no further major improvements to existing hardware owners and users, no M-Lat etc..

As mentioned in other posts, RadarBox software will be high priority to all our developers as soon as ShipTrax software is signed off which is now just round the corner.


100% right Dave, well said, but from the above it appears that original RB owners are not the priority we should be.....................

Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: AirNav Support on February 07, 2011, 08:37:32 PM
Not sure how you can infer that. The database updates are handled by software not by hardware.
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: CoastGuardJon on February 07, 2011, 08:48:07 PM
Not sure how you can infer that. The database updates are handled by software not by hardware.

Hi AN Support, very simply from your reply #58, and as quoted above "Once the new version of RadarBox is released this will include updates in a better way which will allow updates(d) to be pushed through" which infers new hardware not RB software program.   If you can contradict this and assure current RB owners that M-Lat and other promised improvements (but extremely tardy in being rolled out) will be software based not hardware, this would be extremely good news. Many thanks for your prompt responses (as always!).
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: AirNav Support on February 07, 2011, 08:53:57 PM
That question has been asked many times and its same the answer now.

Furthermore we have for years mentioned the quote "new version of RadarBox" that didn't mean Version 1.5, 2 or 3.13 were new boxes.

We are not giving anything away.. yet :)
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: CoastGuardJon on February 07, 2011, 09:01:20 PM
So, you're saying there's not a MkII RB on the drawing board (at present anyway!) but just further improvements through the software.  Correct or not ?  Is M-Lat even possible with the existing RadarBox or not ?
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: AirNav Support on February 07, 2011, 09:04:17 PM
Sorry CoastGuardJon as mentioned in our post above, our answer is the same as to the others, we won't disclose anything untill near the release.
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: DaveG on February 07, 2011, 10:40:44 PM
Sorry CoastGuardJon as mentioned in our post above, our answer is the same as to the others, we won't disclose anything untill near the release.
Think we all get that message now :-)  But I hope Airnav understand the problems and bad feeling that will arise if it turns out new hardware is required and for all these months we've been left handing on the end of a rope!  Not good PR if it happens, much better upfront, that is if you even know its required or not.
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: eyeinthesky on February 08, 2011, 01:25:52 PM
Sorry CoastGuardJon as mentioned in our post above, our answer is the same as to the others, we won't disclose anything untill near the release.
Think we all get that message now :-)  But I hope Airnav understand the problems and bad feeling that will arise if it turns out new hardware is required and for all these months we've been left handing on the end of a rope!  Not good PR if it happens, much better upfront, that is if you even know its required or not.

I suppose its like buying a car the 2009 model is different to the 2010 model and the 2010 model is different to the 2011 model.
That's life boys accept it.
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: bratters on February 08, 2011, 02:29:13 PM
Sorry CoastGuardJon as mentioned in our post above, our answer is the same as to the others, we won't disclose anything untill near the release.
Think we all get that message now :-)  But I hope Airnav understand the problems and bad feeling that will arise if it turns out new hardware is required and for all these months we've been left handing on the end of a rope!  Not good PR if it happens, much better upfront, that is if you even know its required or not.

I suppose its like buying a car the 2009 model is different to the 2010 model and the 2010 model is different to the 2011 model.
That's life boys accept it.

Yes but.... a new model car doesn't render your old model obsolete. Any new RB hardware won't be just a couple of cosmetic changes and a few go-faster stripes, at least I hope it won't! It should hopefully provide a completely new and additional function.

That's fair enough by me. I'm prepared to fork out for an add-on - if it's something I want. However those currently contemplating buying a new box might have reason to think twice about the timing.
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: CoastGuardJon on February 08, 2011, 03:29:19 PM
Sorry CoastGuardJon as mentioned in our post above, our answer is the same as to the others, we won't disclose anything untill near the release.
Think we all get that message now :-)  But I hope Airnav understand the problems and bad feeling that will arise if it turns out new hardware is required and for all these months we've been left handing on the end of a rope!  Not good PR if it happens, much better upfront, that is if you even know its required or not.

I suppose its like buying a car the 2009 model is different to the 2010 model and the 2010 model is different to the 2011 model.
That's life boys accept it.

Yes but.... a new model car doesn't render your old model obsolete. Any new RB hardware won't be just a couple of cosmetic changes and a few go-faster stripes, at least I hope it won't! It should hopefully provide a completely new and additional function.

That's fair enough by me. I'm prepared to fork out for an add-on - if it's something I want. However those currently contemplating buying a new box might have reason to think twice about the timing.

Precisely my point.   I felt in post #58, AN let their guard down slightly and trying to tease and tantalise us (and keep us on that very long and stretchy leash, playing us like an angler with a big fish), let a little bit of the cat slip out of the bag.
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: Marpleman on February 10, 2011, 07:28:10 PM
AirNav

we're almost a week on now from the release of the new Navdata file. All comments/criticisms seem to have dried up, so maybe you could update ua all on the plans for re-releasing the info, with the airport fields and routes fixed/put back to how they wee,and,or hopefully the option of just updating the aircraft database field?

Thanks

Rich
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: AirNav Support on February 10, 2011, 09:22:44 PM
As we said on Monday we would get back with a new version with a week or so. Please be patient.
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: Marpleman on February 11, 2011, 05:39:43 PM
As we said on Monday we would get back with a new version with a week or so. Please be patient.

Fair enough - thanks for the update

Look forward to being able to access this next week
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: Marpleman on February 18, 2011, 10:23:30 AM
Hmm...............

Another week on and still nothing further released, or even mentioned??

Surely it can't take much effort to re-issue with the correct fixes/re-instatement of the non-aircraft tables?

Maybe I'm missing something here?

This is very disappointing to say the least, after all the effort that has gone, and still is going into the updating project

Rich
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: knight01 on February 18, 2011, 11:29:34 AM
I've now started to realise Airnav have their own time zone "Airnav standard time (AST)" - triple the time frame given by Airnav, so 1 week time-frame will be 3 weeks in AST. ;)

I've given-up, now I'm just going to rely on the updaters team to update the aircraft table.
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: GreekSpy2001 on February 18, 2011, 04:42:47 PM
Maybe a DOH! question but

How do you "now I'm just going to rely on the updaters team to update the aircraft table."

MY Logs, Tools, Populate?

graham
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: knight01 on February 18, 2011, 04:55:41 PM
yep I run the populate command every few days.  Inbetween I just let it update automatically.
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: Brisbane on February 23, 2011, 12:05:45 AM
Tried downloading the link, says it's been removed or down. Any ideas anybody. Thanks.
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: Tonka on February 23, 2011, 07:47:37 AM
If you are really keen on having accurate updates why not pay a few quid a month for dbPop?

http://www.dbpop.co.uk/

Alex

Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: Runway 31 on February 23, 2011, 08:13:03 AM
Tried downloading the link, says it's been removed or down. Any ideas anybody. Thanks.

Please note this is not an official Airnav announcement, a new update is in test and will be released very soon.

Alan
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: Northern Watch on February 23, 2011, 11:29:57 AM
If you are really keen on having accurate updates why not pay a few quid a month for dbPop?

http://www.dbpop.co.uk/

Alex



Alex

Not a helpful comment when AN should be providing this for free!  I, like others are hopeful that AN and the updaters will provide a very good DB with regular updates simlar to dbpop although I think it is to early to praise dbpop at this early stage. We have seen other add-ons not meet the mark.

Rgds

Keith
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: AirNav Development on February 23, 2011, 12:32:00 PM
We will be releasing a new navdata.db3 within the next 4 hours.
Title: Re: New RadarBox Database Released
Post by: AirNav Development on February 23, 2011, 02:26:51 PM
Locking this topic as a new database is being released now.
Pls have a look at:
http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=5932.new#new