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FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox is now available from
http://sites.google.com/site/flightdisplaylite/ (http://sites.google.com/site/flightdisplaylite/)
FDL is a feature reduced version of FlightDisplay 7 adapted to run with Radarbox to provide a supplementary source of route information.
Features
Available in 32 & 64 bit versions
Runs under Windows XP, Vista and W7
Select up to 5 internet lookup sites
Resolves routes of manually selected aircraft
Monitors port output to resolve flights in the background
Stores resolved routes for future use
Export routes to update the Radarbox route table for subsequent use by RB
Can run from the system tray or as an on screen display
Points to note:
No guarentees are made as to the accuracy of the route information provided by FDL as that is dependent on the source data.
Though FDL is stable, as with all new software, ensure that you have taken suitable backups before installing or using FDL.
I do not have access to Radarbox (FDL was developed using port recordings kindly supplied by RB users) consequently I may not able to address any RB issues that may occur when FDL is running (FDL has been tested by RB users - my thanks to Chris, Mike & Jim).
Read the readme.txt file included with the download before installing
Help on the features and use of FDL is available by using the F1 key or by right clicking on the Options button on the FDL display.
IMPORTANT - please make sure that RB is NOT running when using the FD route export function.
Please post any issues or comments to this thread
Allan
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Many thanks Allan for all the hard work put into developing this hopefully helpful tool. Thanks should also go to the testers who similarly put in their time and effort.
Have downloaded it and will give it a go.
Alan
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I think that hearty congratulations should be expressed. You have taken on a tough task and without the benefit of the hardware probably makes it even harder.
I would like to express my thanks to you, Allan, for your efforts.
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In case this is of use, here's the configuration I've been using during testing.
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5090/5254101142_45ef2f5d0b_d.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tarbat/5254101142/sizes/o/in/photostream/)
And here it is in operation:
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5126/5254136012_09caed7e5f_d.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tarbat/5254136012/sizes/o/in/photostream/)
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Thanks for your efforts Allan
Much appreciated.
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Damn - sitting in International departures at FAJS and will only be able to use it in Jan when I get back.
Thanks Alan - a great Christmas present.
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What flight will you be on Chris?
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SAA236 departing FAJS at 21:45 local (19:45 UTC) and arriving EGLL at 07:20 local
A340-600
What flight will you be on Chris?
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Enjoy!!
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Hi
Now i don't use Routes so this application does not help me.
Anyone who helps to improve the validatity of any database has to be commended.
The pace of the world and data changes so quickly that databases need input from the people who use it.
I know some people on other websites have had problems with Airnav and will complain about anything related to Airnav.
What i say to them is we all need to help each other and that any application that can help resolve problems needs support.
I say welldone to Allan for this application.
I say wellddone to the updaters for all the work they have done.
In my opinion input from all Airnav users and the support of those who update the database will give us better data. It won't be perfect and there will always be those that moan it has errors but lets make it the best it can be.
Brian
(just got on my high horse but so what).
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Many thanks to Alan and all concerned for this excellent bit of kit which I will refrain form calling an add-on. Great stuff.
Quick question - the "export routes to radarbox" button - can anyone give me chapter and verse on what happens when this is pressed? Any danger of new data being overwriten again by Airnav?
Thanks in advance for answers
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Quick question - the "export routes to radarbox" button - can anyone give me chapter and verse on what happens when this is pressed? Any danger of new data being overwriten again by Airnav?
Route data is ecported to the routes table in your navdata database. Routes are given a CH date of TODAY, so they shouldn't get overwritten, To be safe, you can turn OFF route download in Radarbox itself to prevent this "good" route data being overwritten.
And note that ALL routes are exported to the navdata database, so even if routes do get updated in Radarbox, next time you run the export you'll get the FDLite routes reinstated - subject to the expiry period you specify in FDLite.
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Thanks Tarbat mate.
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Thanks to Allen
Working very well here, I emptied my routes table and exported from FD, all worked well.
Thank you all
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FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Thanks all for this software working great for me.
from pat
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Thank you all that have been involved in the development & testing of this software. What I like are the extra data / info fields that are available, in particular the ‘flight times’. Great software. Works great. Thanks.
Steve.
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While Flight Display is working well, it does so on the aircraft in MyFlights. Is it possible to get the same service on Network flights?
Alan
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While Flight Display is working well, it does so on the aircraft in MyFlights. Is it possible to get the same service on Network flights?
Sorry, it's not possible. FDLite uses the output on port 30003 to get the FlightID, hex code, etc., and network flights are not output on port 30003.
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Cheers Chris, many thanks.
Alan
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I don't know what happens. If I do anything wrong.
I've checked all lookup site with this order flightstats, Flytecomm, Flightaware, libehomeradar and FLR.
After I pressed start the 2 lights flash and is "waiting for data" After half an hour it find anything but I'm sure that RB has read 2 flights that aren't in the route table.
My configuration of FD is correct or not?
thanks
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I have a number of FlightID's with the old 2 letter codes that would not display route info. Is there a way of getting them to display with FDLite.
Andrew
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After I pressed start the 2 lights flash and is "waiting for data" After half an hour it find anything but I'm sure that RB has read 2 flights that aren't in the route table.
Check in the FDLite Routes table.
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5130/5261076817_9d82477bcd_d.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tarbat/5261076817/sizes/o/in/photostream/)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tarbat/5261076817/sizes/o/in/photostream/
If you click on an aircraft in the MyFlights tab, the route should then appear in the FDLite window.
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I have a number of FlightID's with the old 2 letter codes that would not display route info. Is there a way of getting them to display with FDLite.
Not sure what you mean by "the old 2 letter codes". Do you have an example?
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Tarbat
http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=5333.msg56212#msg56212
Andrew
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LSZS, to add to tarbat's reply.
FDL does not write any information to the Radarbox routes table until you use the Export to Radarbox option. Once the RB table has been updated the new route data is then available for RB to use.
The FDL display will show "waiting for data" until you select an aircraft in Radarbox which would trigger a lookup.
Allan
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Tarbat
http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=5333.msg56212#msg56212
Andrew
Andrew, an example would really help. What happens when you click on one of these flights in Radarbox. Does FDLite show that it's attempting the route lookup?
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Evening All,
Have already downloaded app to my Laptop (Windows 7) and works a treat.
However when trying download onto PC (Windows Vista) I cant get it to load properly.
I think I am doing same steps used in Windows 7 download, but nothing seems to happen.
Im saving to Documents, opening file and then setup, FDL shows in programs but it hasnt asked me save in Air Nav Data/Userdata file, unlike Windows 7 did.
If any kind soul out there is using FlightDisplayLite on a Windows Vista PC, please could they post a simple step by step guide to installing, I'm sure its a simple thing I'm missing but......
or pm me.
Regards and Thanks
Phil
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Phil, the installation on Vista should be the same. If you run FDLite from programs, and go into options, you should see a button "Reset". That should then take you through the process to say where the Radarbox Data folder is located.
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Tarbat,
I had a number of Air France, CCM and Air France Regional flights that were not displaying route details. AirNav confirmed that the RB software would only lookup routes with the ICAO 3 letter codes and NOT the IATA 2 letter codes.
As mentioned earlier all aircraft should be following the ICAO format for their Flight IDs. There is no issue with our software, it was designed to handle what is specified which in this case is ICAO format flight ids.
In the past when we have seen non ICAO codes they have usually been mistakes and eventually been rectified. When the next version is released, if there is a significant portion of non ICAO flights appearing we may change the system to allow these routes.
Even if you update the routes table manually (as I tried) it does not display the route.
In France around 60-70% of commercial flights are using IATA codes (Air France often use AF instead of AFR) or non standard 2 letter codes (Regional often use RA instead of RAE).
Can FDLite process IATA 2 letter flightID’s and display the correct route information?
Thanks
Andrew
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Can FDLite process IATA 2 letter flightID’s and display the correct route information?
I don't know. FDLite uses services like Flightstats, FRL, Libhomeradar, Flytecom, Flightaware, etc. to do route lookups. So, if these sites have routes for these flights, then FDLite wil find them. Why not just try it and see?
I'm not at my main PC at the moment so can't see if I've had any of these types of FlightID in range.
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Tried around 15 of these "2 letter" flightID's tonight and none of them found route info from FDLite.
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Can FDLite process IATA 2 letter flightID’s and display the correct route information?
Though FDL doesnt convert between IATA & ICAO codes, the capability exists in the underlying code as its used in some of the FD7 routines. The feature can be incorporated into FDL if you (or someone) can provide a port recording that contains flights which are transmit IATA flights IDs I can use for testing.
Allan
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LSZS, to add to tarbat's reply.
FDL does not write any information to the Radarbox routes table until you use the Export to Radarbox option. Once the RB table has been updated the new route data is then available for RB to use.
The FDL display will show "waiting for data" until you select an aircraft in Radarbox which would trigger a lookup.
Allan
Yes, ok for the route table of RB but the problem is that if I select the aircraft without the route information the FDL continue to "Waiting for data"
Tarbat, thanks but my database table of FDL is empty..."no record found"
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LSZS - a couple of things to check:
1. When you select an aircraft, you must click on it in the MyFLights aircraft list, NOT on the map.
2. What version of Radarbox are you running - the latest?
3. Can you check that your Radarbox installation is outputting data on port 30003. Open a command prompt, and type "telnet localhost 30003". Do you see lot's of lines of data?
4. Are you running any other addons that use port 30003?
Otherwise, try closing FDLite, restart Radarbox, and then restart FDLite.
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LSZS - if you haven't done this on your database table, give it a try;
Select Routes table
Select Flight ID
In Criteria dropdown menu select LIKE
In search string type % sign
Click search.
That should show anything FDL has found.
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Further to the above - I also find that from time to time FDL seems to hang and gets stuck on a particular flight.
Generally I find exit and re-boot FDL does the trick.
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Also further to the above I find that if you click onto a aircraft that already has a route shown then click again onto the one that you are after this unsticks the system. Saves rebooting.
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Andre, I tried to send you a PM but your inbox is full - thanks for the screenshots of the error messages I'll see if I can isolate the problem - sorry for any inconvenience
Allan
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Andre, I tried to send you a PM but your inbox is full - thanks for the screenshots of the error messages I'll see if I can isolate the problem - sorry for any inconvenience
Thanks Allan,
PM inbox now emptied.
Andrew
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Can we please keep this thread focused on any issues or comments relating to using FDLite with Radarbox. Thanks.
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We have removed some posts which were posted to cause trouble. Please stay on the topic and refrain from petty wars on the forum please.
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Though FDL doesnt convert between IATA & ICAO codes, the capability exists in the underlying code as its used in some of the FD7 routines. The feature can be incorporated into FDL if you (or someone) can provide a port recording that contains flights which are transmit IATA flights IDs I can use for testing.
How do you get a port recording ?
Thanks
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How do you get a port recording ?
You can use sbssim to record all port 30003 output to a file. sbssim available from http://jetvision.de/sbs/sbssim.zip
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Thanks
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Morning All,
Application seems to be working a treat. Thanks to all who contributed in making this work for ANRB.
Just one point that I need confirming.
When I Export routes to RB. Should I then delete the routes in FDlite database, as I seem to have noticed that if you dont the same routes get another datestamp, when you export again.
In other words what is the correct and best way to keep Routes Database up to date.
Any advice gratefully received.
Regards
Phil
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When I Export routes to RB. Should I then delete the routes in FDlite database, as I seem to have noticed that if you dont the same routes get another datestamp, when you export again.
What I do is set "Expire Routes After" to 1 month, and then FDL auto-deletes any route details older than one month. FDL does export everything each time you export, in case the details have been updated by RB in the meantime.
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Thanks Tarbat,
Do you also untick "Route Auto-Populate" in Preferences ?
Regards
Phil
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Hi
Will this run on a netbook running an atom processor, 2Gb of RAM and XP operating system. Also, I have read the installation instructions after I downloaded the Zip file to My Office but not sure the next step once I have created the extra file in Navdata, do I unzip the file to the new file or do I unzip it to My Office and run the setup exe. file from there.
Thanks in anticipation
Keith
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Hi
Will this run on a netbook running an atom processor, 2Gb of RAM and XP operating system. Also, I have read the installation instructions after I downloaded the Zip file to My Office but not sure the next step once I have created the extra file in Navdata, do I unzip the file to the new file or do I unzip it to My Office and run the setup exe. file from there.
Thanks in anticipation
Keith
FDL should run ok with an atom processor. Once you have created the \Userdata directory, unzip the downloaded file to any directory and run setup.
Allan
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FDL should run ok with an atom processor. Once you have created the \Userdata directory, unzip the downloaded file to any directory and run setup.
APB
Thank you for your quick and helpful reply, I will give it a try once I have a minute to myself.
Regards
Keith
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just installed this program on both my PC and laptop, and after reading everything here, i got it up and running well on both machines.
big thank you to everybody involved in this.
just one little ( and i know, stupid ) question ; what is the file containing the route data in RB, so i can transfer the corect data from my PC, wich i use at home and is linked to internet, to my laptop : wich i use mainly "in the field" with no internet connection and thus no look-up possibility, is it NavData.db3, or do i have to copy another file ?
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just one little ( and i know, stupid ) question ; what is the file containing the route data in RB, so i can transfer the corect data from my PC, wich i use at home and is linked to internet, to my laptop : wich i use mainly "in the field" with no internet connection and thus no look-up possibility, is it NavData.db3, or do i have to copy another file ?
Yes, navdata.db3 contains the routes table.
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Is there a quick way to clear the routes database in radarbox or do I need to use an sql query in SQlite?
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Is there a quick way to clear the routes database in radarbox or do I need to use an sql query in SQlite?
In SQLite:
DELETE FROM routes;
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Don 't know who to send corrections to but right now TOM79G shown by FDL as EGKK-LCPH is outbound over the Humber Eastury and appears to have left Manchester earlier.
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thanks Tarbat
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Don 't know who to send corrections to
It depends what order you have the lookup sites set to, and which site provided the route details. Try checking the route at the various sites to see which one is providing the incorrect info.
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Don 't know who to send corrections to
It depends what order you have the lookup sites set to, and which site provided the route details. Try checking the route at the various sites to see which one is providing the incorrect info.
Thanks for the reply Tarbat. There are a number of questionable routes coming to light and I wondered if there was some site that was monitored by all interested parties - a sort of "route update site". This data would be both positive and, as above, "negative" reports.
I seem to recall we had something in the past when DR was in situ.
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Thanks for the reply Tarbat. There are a number of questionable routes coming to light and I wondered if there was some site that was monitored by all interested parties - a sort of "route update site". This data would be both positive and, as above, "negative" reports.
I regularly download the routes database from the files section at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PP-logs-and-routes/
It gets updated several times a month, their latest version was released today, containing over 42,000 routes. It seems to have up-to-date routes for most flights I see, including those that FDLite can't find for Loganair, Flybe, etc. For example, it has 1450 routes for TOM***
It's well worth joining the group, download the database, export all the routes (attached) and import them into Radarbox. I use this SQL to do the export:
SELECT DISTINCT
FlightRoute.flight AS FN,
substr(FlightRoute.route,1,4) AS NO,
substr(FlightRoute.route,length(FlightRoute.route)-3,4) AS ND,
"" AS NV,
substr(date('now'),1,4) || substr(date('now'),6,2) || substr(date('now'),9,2) || "090000" AS CH
FROM
FlightRoute
EDIT: Oops, I've had to remove the attachment. Someone has pointed out to me the statement "This data may not be copied, published, or incorporated into other databases without the explicit permission of David J Taylor, Edinburgh." So, I guess David J Taylor owns the copyright on this.