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Title: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: APB on December 12, 2010, 10:44:34 AM
FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox is now available from
http://sites.google.com/site/flightdisplaylite/ (http://sites.google.com/site/flightdisplaylite/)
FDL is a feature reduced version of FlightDisplay 7 adapted to run with Radarbox to provide a supplementary source of route information.

Features

Points to note:
No guarentees are made as to the accuracy of the route information provided by FDL as that is dependent on the source data.
Though FDL is stable, as with all new software, ensure that you have taken suitable backups before installing or using FDL.
I do not have access to Radarbox (FDL was developed using port recordings kindly supplied by RB users) consequently I may not able to address any RB issues that may occur when FDL is running (FDL has been tested by RB users - my thanks to Chris, Mike & Jim).
Read the readme.txt file included with the download before installing
Help on the features and use of FDL is available by using the F1 key or by right clicking on the Options button on the FDL display.
IMPORTANT - please make sure that RB is NOT running when using the FD route export function.

Please post any issues or comments to this thread

Allan
Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: Runway 31 on December 12, 2010, 11:05:17 AM
Many thanks Allan for all the hard work put into developing this hopefully helpful tool.  Thanks should also go to the testers who similarly put in their time and effort.

Have downloaded it and will give it a go.

Alan
Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: nortonbeak on December 12, 2010, 11:07:00 AM
I think that hearty congratulations should be expressed. You have taken on a tough task and without the benefit of the hardware probably makes it even harder.

I would like to express my thanks to you, Allan, for your efforts.
Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: tarbat on December 12, 2010, 11:45:51 AM
In case this is of use, here's the configuration I've been using during testing.

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5090/5254101142_45ef2f5d0b_d.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tarbat/5254101142/sizes/o/in/photostream/)

And here it is in operation:

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5126/5254136012_09caed7e5f_d.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tarbat/5254136012/sizes/o/in/photostream/)
Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: dumpty on December 12, 2010, 02:22:22 PM
Thanks for your efforts Allan

Much appreciated.
Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: Chris11 on December 12, 2010, 04:23:25 PM
Damn - sitting in International departures at FAJS and will only be able to use it in Jan when I get back.

Thanks Alan - a great Christmas present.
Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: Runway 31 on December 12, 2010, 04:28:42 PM
What flight will you be on Chris?
Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: Chris11 on December 12, 2010, 05:04:47 PM
SAA236 departing FAJS at 21:45 local (19:45 UTC) and arriving EGLL at 07:20 local
A340-600
What flight will you be on Chris?
Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: Runway 31 on December 12, 2010, 05:06:27 PM
Enjoy!!
Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: chewycanes on December 12, 2010, 05:47:50 PM
Hi

Now i don't use Routes so this application does not help me.

Anyone who helps to improve the validatity of any database has to be commended.

The pace of the world and data changes so quickly that databases need input from the people who use it.

I know some people on other websites have had problems with Airnav and will complain about anything related to Airnav.

What i say to them is we all need to help each other and that any application that can help resolve problems needs support.

I say welldone to Allan for this application.
I say wellddone to the updaters for all the work they have done.

In my opinion input from all Airnav users and the support of those who update the database will give us better data. It won't be perfect and there will always be those that moan it has errors but lets make it the best it can be.

Brian

(just got on my high horse but so what).
 



Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: bratters on December 12, 2010, 07:12:32 PM
Many thanks to Alan and all concerned for this excellent bit of kit which I will refrain form calling an add-on. Great stuff.


Quick question - the "export routes to radarbox" button - can anyone give me chapter and verse on what happens when this is pressed? Any danger of new data being overwriten again by Airnav?

Thanks in advance for answers
Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: tarbat on December 12, 2010, 07:16:20 PM
Quick question - the "export routes to radarbox" button - can anyone give me chapter and verse on what happens when this is pressed? Any danger of new data being overwriten again by Airnav?

Route data is ecported to the routes table in your navdata database.  Routes are given a CH date of TODAY, so they shouldn't get overwritten,  To be safe, you can  turn OFF route download in Radarbox itself to prevent this "good" route data being overwritten.

And note that ALL routes are exported to the navdata database, so even if routes do get updated in Radarbox, next time you run the export you'll get the FDLite routes reinstated - subject to the expiry period you specify in FDLite.
Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: bratters on December 12, 2010, 07:19:16 PM
Thanks Tarbat mate.
Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: Thehall on December 12, 2010, 07:49:02 PM
Thanks to Allen

Working very well here, I emptied my routes table and exported from FD, all worked well.

Thank you all
Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: air7677 on December 13, 2010, 11:15:38 PM
FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox

Thanks all for this software working great for me.
from pat
Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: anodes on December 14, 2010, 02:43:10 AM
Thank you  all that have been involved in the development & testing of this software. What I like are the extra data / info fields that are available, in particular the ‘flight times’. Great  software. Works great. Thanks.
Steve.
Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: Runway 31 on December 14, 2010, 12:28:15 PM
While Flight Display is working well, it does so on the aircraft in MyFlights.  Is it possible to get the same service on Network flights?

Alan
Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: tarbat on December 14, 2010, 03:05:23 PM
While Flight Display is working well, it does so on the aircraft in MyFlights.  Is it possible to get the same service on Network flights?

Sorry, it's not possible.  FDLite uses the output on port 30003 to get the FlightID, hex code, etc., and network flights are not output on port 30003.
Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: Runway 31 on December 14, 2010, 03:23:52 PM
Cheers Chris, many thanks.

Alan
Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: LSZS on December 14, 2010, 07:39:28 PM
I don't know what happens. If I do anything wrong.
I've checked all lookup site with this order flightstats, Flytecomm, Flightaware, libehomeradar and FLR.
After I pressed start the 2 lights flash and is "waiting for data" After half an hour it find anything but I'm sure that RB has read 2 flights that aren't in the route table.
My configuration of FD is correct or not?
thanks
Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: andrewarles on December 14, 2010, 07:42:01 PM
I have a number of FlightID's with the old 2 letter codes that would not display route info.  Is there a way of getting them to display with FDLite.

Andrew
Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: tarbat on December 14, 2010, 07:57:07 PM
After I pressed start the 2 lights flash and is "waiting for data" After half an hour it find anything but I'm sure that RB has read 2 flights that aren't in the route table.

Check in the FDLite Routes table.

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5130/5261076817_9d82477bcd_d.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tarbat/5261076817/sizes/o/in/photostream/)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tarbat/5261076817/sizes/o/in/photostream/

If you click on an aircraft in the MyFlights tab, the route should then appear in the FDLite window.
Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: tarbat on December 14, 2010, 07:59:05 PM
I have a number of FlightID's with the old 2 letter codes that would not display route info.  Is there a way of getting them to display with FDLite.

Not sure what you mean by "the old 2 letter codes".  Do you have an example?
Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: andrewarles on December 14, 2010, 08:17:18 PM
Tarbat

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=5333.msg56212#msg56212

Andrew
Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: APB on December 14, 2010, 08:27:05 PM
LSZS, to add to tarbat's reply.
FDL does not write any information to the Radarbox routes table until you use the Export to Radarbox option. Once the RB table has been updated the new route data is then available for RB to use.
The FDL display will show "waiting for data" until you select an aircraft in Radarbox which would trigger a lookup.

Allan
Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: tarbat on December 14, 2010, 08:31:08 PM
Tarbat

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=5333.msg56212#msg56212

Andrew

Andrew, an example would really help.  What happens when you click on one of these flights in Radarbox.  Does FDLite show that it's attempting the route lookup?
Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: phil zech on December 14, 2010, 08:34:29 PM
Evening All,

Have already downloaded app to my Laptop (Windows 7) and works a treat.

However when trying download onto PC (Windows Vista) I cant get it to load properly.

I think I am doing same steps used in Windows 7 download, but nothing seems to happen.

Im saving to Documents, opening file and then setup, FDL shows in programs but it hasnt asked me save in Air Nav Data/Userdata file, unlike Windows 7 did.

If any kind soul out there is using FlightDisplayLite on a Windows Vista PC, please could they post a simple step by step guide to installing, I'm sure its a simple thing I'm missing but......

or pm me.

Regards and Thanks

Phil

Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: tarbat on December 14, 2010, 08:55:54 PM
Phil, the installation on Vista should be the same.  If you run FDLite from programs, and go into options, you should see a button "Reset".  That should then take you through the process to say where the Radarbox Data folder is located.
Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: andrewarles on December 14, 2010, 09:19:16 PM
Tarbat,

I had a number of Air France, CCM and Air France Regional flights that were not displaying route details.  AirNav confirmed that the RB software would only lookup routes with the ICAO 3 letter codes and NOT the IATA 2 letter codes.

As mentioned earlier all aircraft should be following the ICAO format for their Flight IDs. There is no issue with our software, it was designed to handle what is specified which in this case is ICAO format flight ids.
In the past when we have seen non ICAO codes they have usually been mistakes and eventually been rectified. When the next version is released, if there is a significant portion of non ICAO flights appearing we may change the system to allow these routes.

Even if you update the routes table manually (as I tried) it does not display the route.

In France around 60-70% of commercial flights are using IATA codes (Air France often use AF instead of AFR) or non standard 2 letter codes (Regional often use RA instead of RAE).

Can FDLite process IATA 2 letter flightID’s and display the correct route information?

Thanks

Andrew
Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: tarbat on December 14, 2010, 09:29:35 PM
Can FDLite process IATA 2 letter flightID’s and display the correct route information?

I don't know.  FDLite uses services like Flightstats, FRL, Libhomeradar, Flytecom, Flightaware, etc. to do route lookups.  So, if these sites have routes for these flights, then FDLite wil find them.  Why not just try it and see?

I'm not at my main PC at the moment so can't see if I've had any of these types of FlightID in range.
Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: andrewarles on December 14, 2010, 09:37:51 PM
Tried around 15 of these "2 letter" flightID's tonight and none of them found route info from FDLite.

Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: APB on December 14, 2010, 09:49:08 PM
Quote
Can FDLite process IATA 2 letter flightID’s and display the correct route information?

Though FDL doesnt convert between IATA & ICAO codes, the capability exists in the underlying code as its used in some of the FD7 routines. The feature can be incorporated into FDL if you (or someone) can provide a port recording that contains flights which are  transmit IATA flights IDs I can use for testing.

Allan
Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: LSZS on December 15, 2010, 03:17:46 PM
LSZS, to add to tarbat's reply.
FDL does not write any information to the Radarbox routes table until you use the Export to Radarbox option. Once the RB table has been updated the new route data is then available for RB to use.
The FDL display will show "waiting for data" until you select an aircraft in Radarbox which would trigger a lookup.

Allan
Yes, ok for the route table of RB but the problem is that if I select the aircraft without the route information the FDL continue to "Waiting for data"

Tarbat, thanks but my database table of FDL is empty..."no record found"
Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: tarbat on December 15, 2010, 03:38:23 PM
LSZS - a couple of things to check:

1. When you select an aircraft, you must click on it in the MyFLights aircraft list, NOT on the map.

2. What version of Radarbox are you running - the latest?

3. Can you check that your Radarbox installation is outputting data on port 30003.  Open a command prompt, and type "telnet localhost 30003".  Do you see lot's of lines of data?

4. Are you running any other addons that use port 30003?

Otherwise, try closing FDLite, restart Radarbox, and then restart FDLite.
Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: bratters on December 15, 2010, 04:06:20 PM
LSZS - if you haven't done this on your database table, give it a try;

Select      Routes table
Select       Flight ID
In Criteria dropdown menu select    LIKE
In search string type    %    sign
Click search.

That should show anything FDL has found.




Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: bratters on December 15, 2010, 04:09:02 PM
Further to the above - I also find that from time to time FDL seems to hang and gets stuck on a particular flight.

Generally I find exit and re-boot FDL does the trick.
Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: TEDDYBEAR on December 15, 2010, 05:38:32 PM
Also further to the above I find that if you click onto a aircraft that already has a route shown then click again onto the one that you are after this unsticks the system. Saves rebooting.
Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: APB on December 15, 2010, 08:12:48 PM
Andre, I tried to send you a PM but your inbox is full - thanks for the screenshots of the error messages I'll see if I can isolate the problem - sorry for any inconvenience
Allan
Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: andrewarles on December 16, 2010, 09:55:45 AM
Andre, I tried to send you a PM but your inbox is full - thanks for the screenshots of the error messages I'll see if I can isolate the problem - sorry for any inconvenience

Thanks Allan,

PM inbox now emptied.

Andrew
Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: tarbat on December 16, 2010, 01:06:24 PM
Can we please keep this thread focused on any issues or comments relating to using FDLite with Radarbox.  Thanks.
Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: AirNav Support on December 16, 2010, 01:18:20 PM
We have removed some posts which were posted to cause trouble. Please stay on the topic and refrain from petty wars on the forum please.
Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: andrewarles on December 19, 2010, 08:27:43 AM
Though FDL doesnt convert between IATA & ICAO codes, the capability exists in the underlying code as its used in some of the FD7 routines. The feature can be incorporated into FDL if you (or someone) can provide a port recording that contains flights which are  transmit IATA flights IDs I can use for testing.

How do you get a port recording ?

Thanks
Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: tarbat on December 19, 2010, 08:35:32 AM
How do you get a port recording ?

You can use sbssim to record all port 30003 output to a file.  sbssim available from http://jetvision.de/sbs/sbssim.zip
Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: andrewarles on December 19, 2010, 09:04:27 AM
Thanks
Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: phil zech on December 27, 2010, 10:20:29 AM
Morning All,

Application seems to be working a treat. Thanks to all who contributed in making this work for ANRB.

Just one point that I need confirming.

When I Export routes to RB. Should I then delete the routes in FDlite database, as I seem to have noticed that if you dont the same routes get another datestamp, when you export again.

In other words what is the correct and best way to keep Routes Database up to date.

Any advice gratefully received.

Regards

Phil
Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: tarbat on December 27, 2010, 11:30:26 AM
When I Export routes to RB. Should I then delete the routes in FDlite database, as I seem to have noticed that if you dont the same routes get another datestamp, when you export again.

What I do is set "Expire Routes After" to 1 month, and then FDL auto-deletes any route details older than one month.  FDL does export everything each time you export, in case the details have been updated by RB in the meantime.
Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: phil zech on December 27, 2010, 11:50:30 AM
Thanks Tarbat,

Do you also untick "Route Auto-Populate" in Preferences ?

Regards

Phil
Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: Northern Watch on December 29, 2010, 05:13:44 PM
Hi

Will this run on a netbook running an atom processor, 2Gb of RAM and XP operating system. Also, I have read the installation instructions after I downloaded the Zip file to My Office but not sure the next step once I have created the extra file in Navdata, do I unzip the file to the new file or do I unzip it to My Office and run the setup exe. file from there.

Thanks in anticipation

Keith
Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: APB on December 29, 2010, 09:30:36 PM
Hi

Will this run on a netbook running an atom processor, 2Gb of RAM and XP operating system. Also, I have read the installation instructions after I downloaded the Zip file to My Office but not sure the next step once I have created the extra file in Navdata, do I unzip the file to the new file or do I unzip it to My Office and run the setup exe. file from there.

Thanks in anticipation

Keith

FDL should run ok with an atom processor. Once you have created the \Userdata directory, unzip the downloaded file to any directory and run setup.

Allan
Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: Northern Watch on December 30, 2010, 04:04:52 PM
Quote
FDL should run ok with an atom processor. Once you have created the \Userdata directory, unzip the downloaded file to any directory and run setup.

APB

Thank you for your quick and helpful reply, I will give it a try once I have a minute to myself.

Regards

Keith
Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: vonsmalhausen on January 02, 2011, 10:44:29 AM
just installed this program on both my PC and laptop, and after reading everything here, i got it up and running well on both machines.
big thank you to everybody involved in this.
just one little ( and i know, stupid ) question ; what is the file containing the route data in RB, so i can transfer the corect data from my PC, wich i use at home and is linked to internet, to my laptop : wich i use mainly "in the field" with no internet connection and thus no look-up possibility, is it NavData.db3, or do i have to copy another file ?
Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: tarbat on January 02, 2011, 11:06:22 AM
just one little ( and i know, stupid ) question ; what is the file containing the route data in RB, so i can transfer the corect data from my PC, wich i use at home and is linked to internet, to my laptop : wich i use mainly "in the field" with no internet connection and thus no look-up possibility, is it NavData.db3, or do i have to copy another file ?

Yes, navdata.db3 contains the routes table.
Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: hungryasthesea on January 02, 2011, 11:26:43 AM
Is there a quick way to clear the routes database in radarbox or do I need to use an sql query in SQlite?
Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: tarbat on January 02, 2011, 12:33:00 PM
Is there a quick way to clear the routes database in radarbox or do I need to use an sql query in SQlite?

In SQLite:
DELETE FROM routes;
Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: bratters on January 02, 2011, 02:25:04 PM
Don 't know who to send corrections to but right now TOM79G shown by FDL as EGKK-LCPH is outbound over the Humber Eastury and appears to have left Manchester earlier.
Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: vonsmalhausen on January 02, 2011, 02:32:28 PM
thanks Tarbat
Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: tarbat on January 02, 2011, 05:46:57 PM
Don 't know who to send corrections to

It depends what order you have the lookup sites set to, and which site provided the route details.  Try checking the route at the various sites to see which one is providing the incorrect info.
Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: bratters on January 02, 2011, 06:22:30 PM
Don 't know who to send corrections to

It depends what order you have the lookup sites set to, and which site provided the route details.  Try checking the route at the various sites to see which one is providing the incorrect info.

Thanks for the reply Tarbat. There are a number of questionable routes coming to light and I wondered if there was some site that was monitored by all interested parties - a sort of "route update site". This data would be both positive and, as above, "negative" reports.

I seem to recall we had something in the past when DR was in situ.


Title: Re: FlightDisplayLite for Radarbox
Post by: tarbat on January 02, 2011, 09:10:25 PM
Thanks for the reply Tarbat. There are a number of questionable routes coming to light and I wondered if there was some site that was monitored by all interested parties - a sort of "route update site". This data would be both positive and, as above, "negative" reports.

I regularly download the routes database from the files section at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PP-logs-and-routes/

It gets updated several times a month, their latest version was released today, containing over 42,000 routes.  It seems to have up-to-date routes for most flights I see, including those that FDLite can't find for Loganair, Flybe, etc.  For example, it has 1450 routes for TOM***

It's well worth joining the group, download the database, export all the routes (attached) and import them into Radarbox.  I use this SQL to do the export:

SELECT DISTINCT
  FlightRoute.flight AS FN,
  substr(FlightRoute.route,1,4) AS NO,
  substr(FlightRoute.route,length(FlightRoute.route)-3,4) AS ND,
  "" AS NV,
  substr(date('now'),1,4) || substr(date('now'),6,2) || substr(date('now'),9,2) || "090000" AS CH
FROM
 FlightRoute

EDIT:  Oops, I've had to remove the attachment.  Someone has pointed out to me the statement "This data may not be copied, published, or incorporated into other databases without the explicit permission of David J Taylor, Edinburgh."  So, I guess David J Taylor owns the copyright on this.