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Post by: romdouk on December 07, 2010, 11:59:40 PM
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Title: Re: All I Want for Christmas!!
Post by: AirNav Support on December 08, 2010, 08:41:21 AM
romdouk,

This has been addressed in many posts but as there quite a lot of posts it gets lost.

Work is being done on both Routes/Aircraft database to get them to rectify bugs in the details being passed down and also the actual data stored in the online database (whether this is via the Database Updaters for the aircrafts and other companies for Routes)

At present there are other projects which are in the pipeline which need to released first before these issues can be rolled out to the customers. We are extremely sorry about this but there are resource and techincal issues to why those projects need to go out first.

We hope to expect those projects to be done and dusted in the next 2 - 3 months if things go well.

We again only apologise for the issues and thank you for your patience.
Title: Re: All I Want for Christmas!!
Post by: bratters on December 08, 2010, 11:07:24 AM
Hi,
Any news of progress being made on the routes and aircraft databases? The guys doing the updating are working extremely hard but don't seem to be getting a lot of backup from AirNav. The saga has been going on a fair while now and it would be nice if we (the Customer) were given some sort of time scale as to when we can expect an improvement. I'm particularly interested in the routes database as I've given up on the aircraft database side and now rely on third party software (ADU)(something Airnav slates the competition about) in order to populate MyLog with aircraft details.
Merry Christmas to all
Terry

Well, you asked your question and you got your answer Terry.

The silence on the forum speaks louder than words.
Title: Re: All I Want for Christmas!!
Post by: Runway 31 on December 08, 2010, 11:23:56 AM
Got to agree, except for a few, users dont seem to have too many problems.  We dont get many unkown reports and from that you have to take it there isnt to much of a problem.  What do others think.

Alan
Title: Re: All I Want for Christmas!!
Post by: bratters on December 08, 2010, 12:31:42 PM
Got to agree, except for a few, users dont seem to have too many problems.  We dont get many unkown reports and from that you have to take it there isnt to much of a problem.  What do others think.

Alan

You misunderstand my post. Too much irony perhaps.

There has been considerable complaining on here in the past six months about routes and other database problems.

The fact that it's all gone quiet is because it has finally dawned that nothing is being done or will be done. All the talk along the lines of "we're working hard on the problems - stay with us - we're doing our best - won't be long now" etc etc was just talk.

The real answer is " At present there are other projects which are in the pipeline which need to released first before these issues can be rolled out to the customers."  So don't expect your database to be correct and your routes to be accurate because they won't be -and they won't be for a considerable time.

That's why it's gone quiet.
Title: Re: All I Want for Christmas!!
Post by: orkney on December 08, 2010, 12:50:53 PM
Hello
 
I must say that I do believe Airnav when they say there is other things in the pipeline and bugs will be corrected in time. Maybe give them the benefit of the doubt and stop complaining-it is Christmas! :)

Andrew
Title: Re: All I Want for Christmas!!
Post by: Runway 31 on December 08, 2010, 12:59:00 PM
I knew what you meant, maybe too much irony on my part!  dont know where you are coming from with your complaints abpout the aircraft database, routes maybe.  If you have an aircraft unidentified press on it and it should download the data, letting you see what it is.  If not forward it to us and we will add it in. Easy or what.  If you note any inaccuracy again let us know and we will amend where necesary.  The database update thread shows that we are taking notice of d/b issues.  The aircraft database is not perfect but it is being added to every day so how you can say nothing is getting done about it, I dont know.

Bah Humbug!!!

Alan

Title: Re: All I Want for Christmas!!
Post by: AirNav Development on December 08, 2010, 01:11:03 PM
It strange to read such a post from someone totally out of our Database Updaters team.

Anyway we are happy to clairfy that:
- The Database Updaters team is happy and efficient as always: almost 100K records updated as we write this post, something totally amazing;

- We keep direct contact with them on a weekly basis (most of the times more often than that). They all have our airnavsystems.com email so if they had any complaint it would be easy to email us;

- It is known that the software has to be fine tuned to better work with updated records: we have always reported that we will correct this as soon as ShipTrax is released. Unfortunately they are not, in terms of development, different projects so one has to wait for the other;

- The same applies to the flight number database: despite over 98% of all records being correct we will fine tune the central and client software to achieve better values.

It is important to underline how a group of volunteers, our database updaters, has done such an amazing job and is almost reaching the mark of 100K aircraft records updated. We now have access, using the RadarBox application, to the best ever aircraft database existing on the web - complete and updated by several serious aviation enthusiasts.

Regarding future projects: 2011 will be an amazing year for all AirNav fans. 5 brand new projects on the pipeline now.
Title: Re: All I Want for Christmas!!
Post by: chewycanes on December 08, 2010, 01:21:44 PM
Hi
I don't use the routes so it does not bother me but i understand the frustration for others.

As Alan says the aircraft database is better and any problems are soon sorted by Alan and the other updaters.

I am a new user so i want to keep the faith that a new issue will appear soon and silence some of the critics.

So welldone to the Updaters for the work they put in and lets hope that all that effort pays off in the near future.

Lets hope we all get what we want for XMAS even if it is a bit late.

Merry XMAS

Brian

 
Title: Re: All I Want for Christmas!!
Post by: jannuh on December 08, 2010, 02:02:32 PM
Regarding future projects: 2011 will be an amazing year for all AirNav fans. 5 brand new projects on the pipeline now.
5 projects in the pipeline...  wow, must be busy overthere, some projects are there since a few years, think they must have fallen asleep, somewhere in the back of the pipeline... ;-)

A.N. was very succvesfull in 2010 in banning members who have concern about bugs and other "minor problems"within the R.B. software.

That's also a solution... ban members who speak up, praise those members saying hallelujah A.N. (btw where is our beloved friend of Ireland, really miss him.. NOT)

Title: Re: All I Want for Christmas!!
Post by: Chris11 on December 08, 2010, 02:36:49 PM
Two issues - aircraft and route.
My experience is that the aircraft has been sorted. The number of aircraft that do not populate is small.

Routes are another issue. There are large numbers of lights without routes and large numbers of errors. There also seems to be little being done about the routes. There are big holes.. and yes there are still routes with FADN which closed 6 months ago. My view is that there should be a method to add corrections to routes and supplying data for missing routes but that is not acceptable to AirNav.

Be that as it may. there is no point in having long posts bitching about the product. That is not going to change anything and is only an irritation to those that enjoy the product and this forum.  There are however regular questions to irNav asking what the progress is. The replies are vague but at least we give them a prod every now and again.
Title: Re: All I Want for Christmas!!
Post by: AirNav Support on December 08, 2010, 02:46:32 PM
jannuh,

If that was the case, why would we openly have a bugs page on our website? why would we have a forum, wouldn't it be easier for us just to remove the forum.

I am sorry jannuh but you are playing to propoganda that is spread by people who are either competitors or people jealous of AirNav Systems. We are here and have been here for the last three years working to provide the best system on the market.

As we have said to you before, if you don't have anything helpfull to say then please do not say it on this forum.
Title: Re: All I Want for Christmas!!
Post by: AirNav Development on December 08, 2010, 02:52:13 PM
Regarding banning members: this forum is a civilized place where respect is a major concern for us. We will not allow users posting messages with hidden commercial intentions and agenda. This is the biggest ADS-B/Mode-s related forum and that's for a reason: because serious enthusiasts and everyone interested in this hobby find here a great place to share ideas with other members. There are lots of forums on the internet where false/negative facts and campaigs are posted daily. This is a free world: if you want quality of information and interested users you are welcome here.

2010 has been a great year with the released of RadarBox 3D, the first  and only 3D based flight tracker currently available.

2011 will see a lot more projects. Unfortunately ShipTrax release is delayed but once it comes out it will have the success RadarBox has had.

As always we are working hard on new projects and you will be amazed for what we have reserved for 2011.
Title: Re: All I Want for Christmas!!
Post by: AirNav Support on December 08, 2010, 03:04:07 PM
Chris11,

Not sure what you mean exactly about the routes issue. We are trying to get better data to plug in the missing gaps (we already get routes from FlightStats.com and our own routine). Also the database does mark the routes with a timestamp so they should refresh after 6 months to pick up new details.

The foundations are there but yes there is room for much improvement which we are working on.
Title: Re: All I Want for Christmas!!
Post by: Chris11 on December 08, 2010, 03:32:45 PM
Lets take now as an example. There are 1130 aircraft on the nwtwork of which approx 30 have no flight ID. There are about 300 with no routes displaying. That is a large percentage. Some of those will be populating from my local route tabel as well.

Lets use Wizz (ICAO=WZZ) as an example - there are hardly any routes displaying for their flight - 10% max. So I went to their website and downloaded their routes and added them to my local database - took a few hours but at least I have them know
Title: Re: All I Want for Christmas!!
Post by: Chris11 on December 08, 2010, 03:51:35 PM
I just did a test. There were 10 WZZ flights on the network. 9 had routes. I then deleted all the WZZ routes in my database and restarted - only 1 had a route (this took a few minutes so it might not have been the same 10).
Restored my database from backup and restarted and now there are 13WZZ flights of which 10 have routes again.
Title: Re: All I Want for Christmas!!
Post by: air7677 on December 08, 2010, 04:18:24 PM
I like thousands of airmav users are happy with the software.
MERRY  CHRISTMAS
Title: Re: All I Want for Christmas!!
Post by: Chris11 on December 08, 2010, 04:21:06 PM
Don't get me wrong - I am happy as well. I just wish more people would buy them in South Africa - we have a vast mountainous country so network coverage is not great.
Title: Re: All I Want for Christmas!!
Post by: air7677 on December 08, 2010, 04:55:31 PM
chris11 was not getting at you.

Another good point is that airmav have banned the people with the hidden agendas so it will be even a better and bigger airnav forum next year.
Title: Re: All I Want for Christmas!!
Post by: AirNav Development on December 08, 2010, 05:05:50 PM
I believe that sooner oir later we will have to go the same way we went for the aircraft database: have a group of volunteers checking and updating a central database. If any of our users are interested in this we can develop the technical side / database updater application.
Title: Re: All I Want for Christmas!!
Post by: Chris11 on December 08, 2010, 05:20:51 PM
AirNav Dev - I am 100% behind that. There are 100's of thousand routes out there and my view is that the only way to get them close to 100% (I believe that 100% is impossible) is to have a group of people updating in addition to other methods.

I am available
Title: Re: All I Want for Christmas!!
Post by: tarbat on December 08, 2010, 06:41:28 PM
PS - anyone confirm the Mode-S code for Santa. I think it's H0H0H0

If it's the same as last year - 467FFF.  See
http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=3939.msg39803#msg39803

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2696/4162059797_c5dd6ddc07_d.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tarbat/4162059797/sizes/o/)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tarbat/4162059797/sizes/o/
Title: Re: All I Want for Christmas!!
Post by: Blincodave on December 08, 2010, 07:18:02 PM
Hi All
Don't get me wrong - all I wanted to know was what timescale was involved. I am happy enough with my RB and enjoy many hours of use
My third party aircraft database currently has 400K+ records and when I go mobile all I have to do is copy the NavData.db3 from my PC to my laptop and away I go with all the latest information! Prior to obtaining my database I was happy to assist the Updating Team and did for some time. Now the very few unpopulated aircraft I get are easily updated via that third party. Before anyone starts nitpicking, it was a choice I made as it suited ME - It obviously wouldn't suit everybody.
Could AirNav include an up to date NavData.db3 file (with all the hard work of the Update team included) and have it available on their downloads site. As I have said I don't need it, but anyone getting a RB this Christmas will have a database 2 years out of date and a download site with the latest database would be useful to them. It would benefit AirNav as well as once someone had an updated database they wouldn't need to query the Airnav server in order to populate their logs (unless they are looking for photos as well).
As for the routes database - 2 to 3 months down the line seems OK. At least we now have some sort of target to aim for.
 Terry

PS - anyone confirm the Mode-S code for Santa. I think it's H0H0H0


I agree cpmpletely with this post and especially the request to:

'include an up to date NavData.db3 file (with all the hard work of the Update team included) and have it available on their downloads site.'

Air Nav, why can you not provide this?

Dave
Title: Re: All I Want for Christmas!!
Post by: tarbat on December 09, 2010, 12:43:42 PM
In case anyone finds it useful, I've put my navdata.db3 file on my ftp service

First, goto http://www.tarbat.gofreeserve.com, and then goto http://www.tarbat.gofreeserve.com/navdata.zip

No warranty, but if you want to use it, feel free to do so.  You might want to backup your own database first.

ROUTES
34,000+ routes populated with data posted on the Yahoo group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PP-logs-and-routes/ and also updated over the last month or so using FDLite feeds from FRL, FlightAware, FlyteCom, FlightStats, Libhomeradar

AIRCRAFT
12,200+ aircraft populated with data from GAS
I also make a change to the data so that clicking on the left photo links to airframes.org, and the right photo links to airliners.net

ACTYPE, AIRLINES, AIRPORTS contain the standard data already in the database

IF ANY COPYRIGHT HOLDER HAS A PROBLEM WITH ME POSTING THIS, JUST LET ME KNOW AND I'LL REMOVE IT.

SORRY: I'VE HAD TO REMOVE THE FILE
Title: Re: All I Want for Christmas!!
Post by: Bob SEN on December 09, 2010, 01:34:18 PM
In case anyone finds it useful, I've put my navdata.db3 file on my ftp service

First, goto http://www.tarbat.gofreeserve.com, and then goto http://www.tarbat.gofreeserve.com/navdata.zip

No warranty, but if you want to use it, feel free to do so.  You might want to backup your own database first.

ROUTES
34,000+ routes populated with data posted on the Yahoo group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PP-logs-and-routes/ and also updated over the last month or so using FDLite feeds from FRL, FlightAware, FlyteCom, FlightStats, Libhomeradar

AIRCRAFT
12,200+ aircraft populated with data from GAS
I also make a change to the data so that clicking on the left photo links to airframes.org, and the right photo links to airliners.net

ACTYPE, AIRLINES, AIRPORTS contain the standard data already in the database

IF ANY COPYRIGHT HOLDER HAS A PROBLEM WITH ME POSTING THIS, JUST LET ME KNOW AND I'LL REMOVE IT.

SORRY: I'VE HAD TO REMOVE THE FILE
Damn................... too late.............. is there anywhere else we can get these files please Tarbat?.....

regards

Bob
Title: Re: All I Want for Christmas!!
Post by: tarbat on December 09, 2010, 01:38:19 PM
Damn................... too late.............. is there anywhere else we can get these files please Tarbat?.....

Unfortunately I received a PM telling me that I should seek the permission of the Yahoo group and GAS.  Sorry, but I have no idea who to contact to get permission.  Having been "warned" in the past over copyright infringments, I won't take the risk any more.  Sorry, I was only trying to help.
Title: Re: All I Want for Christmas!!
Post by: air7677 on December 09, 2010, 01:40:01 PM
In case anyone finds it useful, I've put my navdata.db3 file on my ftp service

First, goto http://www.tarbat.gofreeserve.com, and then goto http://www.tarbat.gofreeserve.com/navdata.zip

No warranty, but if you want to use it, feel free to do so.  You might want to backup your own database first.

ROUTES
34,000+ routes populated with data posted on the Yahoo group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PP-logs-and-routes/ and also updated over the last month or so using FDLite feeds from FRL, FlightAware, FlyteCom, FlightStats, Libhomeradar

AIRCRAFT
12,200+ aircraft populated with data from GAS
I also make a change to the data so that clicking on the left photo links to airframes.org, and the right photo links to airliners.net

ACTYPE, AIRLINES, AIRPORTS contain the standard data already in the database

IF ANY COPYRIGHT HOLDER HAS A PROBLEM WITH ME POSTING THIS, JUST LET ME KNOW AND I'LL REMOVE IT.

SORRY: I'VE HAD TO REMOVE THE FILE

Could we not sent you our email  to you and you then you sent us the new link.
OR maybe put it on Wikileaks lol
Thanks for trying to help tarbat.
Title: Re: All I Want for Christmas!!
Post by: Bob SEN on December 09, 2010, 01:55:57 PM
Damn................... too late.............. is there anywhere else we can get these files please Tarbat?.....

Unfortunately I received a PM telling me that I should seek the permission of the Yahoo group and GAS.  Sorry, but I have no idea who to contact to get permission.  Having been "warned" in the past over copyright infringments, I won't take the risk any more.  Sorry, I was only trying to help.
No need to be sorry chap. I, as do others appreciate your trying to help.... & relish the idea of some updates....
Title: Re: All I Want for Christmas!!
Post by: tarbat on December 09, 2010, 02:42:55 PM
What the hell, life's too short.  It's back up on my ftp service.  As before, if anyone asserts copyright over this data, let me know and I'll remove it immediately.
Title: Re: All I Want for Christmas!!
Post by: Chris11 on December 09, 2010, 02:45:32 PM
Interesting that the yahoo group regards the information posted there as copyright. As far as I am concerned the information I post there is free for anyone to use and/or pass on.

In these days of free sharing of information of this type I am a bit amazed that people are so protective about open data. So - does this mean the information I add to the database update topic become copyright?

Title: Re: All I Want for Christmas!!
Post by: tarbat on December 09, 2010, 02:52:48 PM
Interesting that the yahoo group regards the information posted there as copyright.

No, they haven't said that.  I got a PM from some busy-body telling me I should get permission.  I have no idea if there is any copyright over this data, hence my request to anyone who asserts copyright over this data to contact me.
Title: Re: All I Want for Christmas!!
Post by: bratters on December 09, 2010, 03:43:55 PM
What the hell, life's too short.  It's back up on my ftp service.  As before, if anyone asserts copyright over this data, let me know and I'll remove it immediately.

Hi tarbart - having trouble with link? could you repeat plese?

John
Title: Re: All I Want for Christmas!!
Post by: Bob SEN on December 09, 2010, 03:50:56 PM
ROUTES
34,000+ routes populated with data posted on the Yahoo group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PP-logs-and-routes/ and also updated over the last month or so using FDLite feeds from FRL, FlightAware, FlyteCom, FlightStats, Libhomeradar

I have d/l the file from PP-logs-and-routes, Is there a way of importing this data ?.............. Im sure I saw some info on here recently............

regards

Bob
Title: Re: All I Want for Christmas!!
Post by: bratters on December 09, 2010, 04:30:42 PM
Link OK tarbat - many thanks. When's visiting day?
Title: Re: All I Want for Christmas!!
Post by: Marpleman on December 09, 2010, 04:51:52 PM
Thanks for that Tarbat, although the photos are suspect, as they show different power plants!
Terry

Terry

That's as a result of the photo links not updating correctly. He obviously got an engine upgrade, but the photo isn't available on a.net yet. ;-)

Maybe an opportunity for the photographers to capture a more up to date record over the next few weeks - he was spotted in Stockport shopping precinct last Saturday but I didn't have my camera with me.

On a more serious note..........

I recently had to curtail my role as a database updater due to work commitment totally taking over and preventing my continued help to a level that was of use to the team, so I know first hand how difficult and complicated the process can become.Consequently, I've not followed the board too much over tha past several weeks.

The guys carry out a totally thankless task,as we all know, and even get some ridiculously bad press "elsewhere", not that they're bothered.

IF a new navdata file is released,people need to recognise it will not be complete,or infact hold as many records as other available resources, and will undoubtedly carry the odd inaccuracy.

It will however,I can assure you, be a massive improvement on that shipped with the current software - what we then need to do is collectively continue to assist this process by contributing to the Update thread as Alan previously stated,NOT sit back criticising and bleating on about fixes still not working,and this and that being incorrect.

I think we can all appreciate the hard work the team have undertaken to get even this far on a volunteer basis.

I do know the team will seriously consider what they feel to be most suitable in the interest of the users, be it with or without certain fixes happening/not happening as is the issue at present

Rgds to all

Rich


Title: Re: All I Want for Christmas!!
Post by: tarbat on December 09, 2010, 05:45:56 PM
I have d/l the file from PP-logs-and-routes, Is there a way of importing this data ?.............. Im sure I saw some info on here recently............

I used this SQL to extract the data from the Yahoo group's file, and put it in a format suitable for import into the routes table.

SELECT DISTINCT 
  FlightRoute.flight AS FN,
  substr(FlightRoute.route,1,4) AS NO,
  substr(FlightRoute.route,length(FlightRoute.route)-3,4) AS ND,
  "" AS NV,
  substr(date('now'),1,4) || substr(date('now'),6,2) || substr(date('now'),9,2) || "090000" AS CH
FROM
 FlightRoute
ORDER BY
  FN
Title: Re: All I Want for Christmas!!
Post by: Runway 31 on December 09, 2010, 06:09:55 PM
I dont think it was you being referred to Terry.

Alan
Title: Re: All I Want for Christmas!!
Post by: Marpleman on December 09, 2010, 09:31:08 PM
Terry

you've misunderstood what I was trying to say.

Alan's correct - it wasn't directed at you in an way!

 You don't have to look hard to find continual sarcasm directed at the teams work

Basically, all I was saying, was it potentially will give rise to opportunities for people to immediately spend hours sifting through all the records purposefully looking for errors

I'm afraid it's a no-win situation.

If a new file is released, it serves ,the purpose of giving all RadarBox users access to the work the team have undertaken, which will be of great benefit, but also gives others, who in the past have criticised publically , the efforts and "percieved " failings of the update team for lacking information, or making incorrect decisions , in a way that is little short of childish.

If one isn't released, then we're basically no further on, without some serious development work to force the info on the database through.

All this has been said many many times before

I think the idea of releasing regular updated navdata files is a great idea.As has been mentioned before, the majority of enthusiasts databases operate a similar process.

Rich
 
Title: Re: All I Want for Christmas!!
Post by: air7677 on December 10, 2010, 12:15:10 AM
but also gives others, who in the past have criticised publically.

You have a very good point well said.
Terry

you've misunderstood what I was trying to say.

Alan's correct - it wasn't directed at you in an way!

 You don't have to look hard to find continual sarcasm directed at the teams work

Basically, all I was saying, was it potentially will give rise to opportunities for people to immediately spend hours sifting through all the records purposefully looking for errors

I'm afraid it's a no-win situation.

If a new file is released, it serves ,the purpose of giving all RadarBox users access to the work the team have undertaken, which will be of great benefit, but also gives others, who in the past have criticised publically , the efforts and "percieved " failings of the update team for lacking information, or making incorrect decisions , in a way that is little short of childish.

If one isn't released, then we're basically no further on, without some serious development work to force the info on the database through.

All this has been said many many times before

I think the idea of releasing regular updated navdata files is a great idea.As has been mentioned before, the majority of enthusiasts databases operate a similar process.

Rich
 




You have a very good point well said.
Title: Re: All I Want for Christmas!!
Post by: bratters on December 10, 2010, 08:27:05 AM
Terry

you've misunderstood what I was trying to say.

Alan's correct - it wasn't directed at you in an way!

 You don't have to look hard to find continual sarcasm directed at the teams work

Basically, all I was saying, was it potentially will give rise to opportunities for people to immediately spend hours sifting through all the records purposefully looking for errors

I'm afraid it's a no-win situation.

If a new file is released, it serves ,the purpose of giving all RadarBox users access to the work the team have undertaken, which will be of great benefit, but also gives others, who in the past have criticised publically , the efforts and "percieved " failings of the update team for lacking information, or making incorrect decisions , in a way that is little short of childish.

If one isn't released, then we're basically no further on, without some serious development work to force the info on the database through.

All this has been said many many times before

I think the idea of releasing regular updated navdata files is a great idea.As has been mentioned before, the majority of enthusiasts databases operate a similar process.

Rich
 

Hi Rich - reading through the postings and having been around now for over two years myself, the term "friendly fire" comes to mind.

There's a lot of pentup exasperation out there which bubbles up from time to time & the good guys catch a blast from unintentionally ill-directed postings.

Given the situation, it's understandable and the need for all members to try and act in unison and help each other is becoming increasingly  paramount - we all know the score.
Title: Re: All I Want for Christmas!!
Post by: Blincodave on December 10, 2010, 05:26:55 PM
Marpleman said:

'IF a new navdata file is released'.

Do you mean that you have some doubt about that actually happening? Surely AirNav can't continue to ship this wonderful product with a 2009 database for much longer?

A few days ago in this thread I asked AirNav why a file could not be made available for download on a regular basis. No reply! I cannot see why the sterling work of the updating team cannot be made available now.

Dave
Title: Re: All I Want for Christmas!!
Post by: AirNav Support on December 10, 2010, 05:30:31 PM
We are discussing this with the updaters and within the company whether we can release, there are reasons which we mentioned before in earlier posts when this was brought up in the past.
Title: Re: All I Want for Christmas!!
Post by: Blincodave on December 10, 2010, 06:37:21 PM
We are discussing this with the updaters and within the company whether we can release, there are reasons which we mentioned before in earlier posts when this was brought up in the past.

Thanks for the reply. Can you point me to the particular thread where this was brought up in the past so that I can understand the reasons you mention?

Dave
Title: Re: All I Want for Christmas!!
Post by: tarbat on December 11, 2010, 09:04:57 AM
Thanks for the reply. Can you point me to the particular thread where this was brought up in the past so that I can understand the reasons you mention?

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=5369.msg53955#msg53955
Title: Re: All I Want for Christmas!!
Post by: air7677 on December 11, 2010, 12:08:31 PM
My god that was six months ago time does fly's and Dave the rave is still raving lol.
Title: Re: All I Want for Christmas!!
Post by: juangelb on December 11, 2010, 04:12:03 PM
Hi people...

Thath's all for this year :
http://www.kboing.com.br/john-lennon/1-300155/

Cheers from Brazil !
Title: Re: All I Want for Christmas!!
Post by: Blincodave on December 11, 2010, 05:28:32 PM
My god that was six months ago time does fly's and Dave the rave is still raving lol.

Four months actually. Thanks for the link Tarbat. It seems that if you are a spotter who wants a reliable data source then you have to spend £100 plus on ADU.

Dave
Title: Re: All I Want for Christmas!!
Post by: Blincodave on December 11, 2010, 07:51:42 PM
I appreciate that Terry but I am currently a 'lapsed member' so the half-price offer would not apply to me. My point was a general one.

Dave