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AirNav RadarBox and RadarBox24.com => AirNav RadarBox and RadarBox24.com Discussion => Topic started by: raflec on May 27, 2010, 01:53:12 PM
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Earlier on this year, Air Nav said there would be a major announcement made in June.
There was much speculation made about what it could be. Multi lat being the favourite.
As we are in to June next week, could Air Nav please tell us are we still on course for this announcement, or has it been delayed for whatever reason.
Myself, I cannot wait to find out.
Radarbox just keeps getting better and better.
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You had it last night
It was the Database Update Team progress report..................................
Sorry - couldn't resist!!!!
:-)
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Earlier on this year, Air Nav said there would be a major announcement made in June.
There was much speculation made about what it could be. Multi lat being the favourite.
Can't be MLat - that's been announced already: http://twitter.com/AirNavSystems/statuses/11397338315
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Maybe it's the news on Gareth Barry?
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Maybe it is this FAA announcement that I have picked up today:
FAA announces ADS-B performance standards:
The FAA announced the performance requirements for Automatic Dependent Surveillance – Broadcast (ADS-B) equipment under the NextGen air transportation system yesterday (May 27). Aircraft flying in airspace including classes A, B, C, around busy airports, and above 10,000 feet will be required to broadcast their position via ADS-B by 2020. The rule mandates that the broadcast signal meet specific requirements in terms of accuracy, integrity, power and latency. “This rule gives the green light for manufacturers to begin building the onboard equipment,” said Randy Babbitt, FAA Administrator.
Good news for all Airnav users!!!
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Aircraft flying in airspace including classes A, B, C, around busy airports, and above 10,000 feet will be required to broadcast their position via ADS-B by 2020.
2020 - hopefully the Airnav MLAT announcement will be before then!!
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2020 - hopefully the Airnav MLAT announcement will be before then!!
2020 - Hopefully I'll still be around by then! I'm not getting any younger.
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A major announcement will be made next week and every RadarBox user will be proud of using it.
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rules out Gareth Barry then?
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Cheers Airnav this sounds interesting, I can't wait!!! With the database work ongoing if this, please please; includes MLAT then Radarbox is pretty close to perfect!!!
John
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Come on AirNav make us proud as you say. This is one fantastic piece of kit and this shows you do support your customer base thus ensuring loyalty.
Sandy
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Come on AirNav make us proud as you say. This is one fantastic piece of kit and this shows you do support your customer base thus ensuring loyalty.
Sandy
Hi sasa1000 and Canonjohns40D.
I agree Airnav support their customers 24/7, not like some other systems
where you have to depend on a bounce of fools asking for a donation for advice.
i hope you all have a nice weekend.
ps:
Just back from La Torre Golf course i had a great two weeks. 4
from pat
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"... bounce of fools ..." ? My, is your nose brown!
DC
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A major announcement will be made next week and every RadarBox user will be proud of using it.
What could this be I wonder. Something to make me feel proud of using it.
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It's a pity that it has to wait 'til next week. Aurora start shipping their product on Tuesday and I'm on the waiting list. A "proud" announcement from Airnav, could have swung the purchase their way (and, perhaps not just for me).
Ah well......never mind
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It's a pity that it has to wait 'til next week. Aurora start shipping their product on Tuesday and I'm on the waiting list. A "proud" announcement from Airnav, could have swung the purchase their way (and, perhaps not just for me).
Ah well......never mind
hi boxfile.
I am sure we will be all sad to see you go, this is an airnav site not a promotional
site for your product.
from pat.
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Pat
I'm not connected in ANY way with Aurora,
just that it's a pity that I won't hear of Airnav's news before taking out the credit card.........
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HELLO
just like to say go go AIRNAV your looking great. next week will rock.
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And I am off on holiday tomorrow..what bad timing!!
J.
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And I am off on holiday tomorrow..what bad timing!!
J.
Very simple... don't go on holiday!!
Do I have to read all posts in this topic with some (some?) smilies ;-) ;-)
Or are you really so pitifull??
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The subtlety of your comment escapes me! Perhaps it is not subtle!
J.
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The subtlety of your comment escapes me! Perhaps it is not subtle!
J.
you're not alone Jeremy!
Ecsapes me too?
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Place your comments here. This is something all of us are extremelly proud of.
We are now working hard on some great news that we will share with you in a few months.
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Was this the Major Announcement coming this week?
http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=5021.0
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hello
I hope not, If it is then it is the worst disappointment of the year given all the hype airnav has had about this announcement :-( . After all we don't get any benefit from this do we?
By the way I am happy for airnav having succeeded in this. I just hope this isn't what we have been waiting for since February.
Andrew
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Affirm. We know that despite being good news they are not something that apply directly to our users. Anyway such kind of news will also happen sooner than you might think. :-)
Development work never stops at AirNav.
By being chosen for this project it is clear that RadarBox is the only receiver absolutely reliable and able to be used by major companies.
This happens because we try to do our best to implement customer suggestions, including professional ones.
Tks again for all your support and be patient as we are preparing something that all of you will enjoy.
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But at what price?
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hello
That is good news. I didn't think you would have let us all down like this after 5 months :-).
Thanks
Andrew
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So, is the major announcement still ON for this week then?
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Please don't tell me that this was the 'major' announcement scheduled for this week.
I thought it was something we'd all benefit from. If this is it, it's a crock of shi*
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As my wife is fond of saying, "was that it?" :-)
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So, is the major announcement still ON for this week then?
Evidently not.
We are now working hard on some great news that we will share with you in a few months.
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So the announcement for this week is that we will have to wait for a few months for another one?
Not exactly covering themselves in glory, are they!
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Ok let's keep this organized and have you understanding what's going on.
There are 3 big annoucements being made:
1- Boeing 787 project: done;
2- Similar announcement: to be done in a week;
3- Major Announcement (the one we talked in Feb) that will affect all aviation enthusiast users: to be done during the following months, not now.
Hope you fully understand it now. :-)
Unfortunately we cannot disclose more details about the third at this time but as usually you can be confident that Development has never and will never stop at AirNav... :-)
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For once, I'm left speechless! I just hope AN Development are the masters of understatement................................
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3- Major Announcement (the one we talked in Feb) that will affect all aviation enthusiast users: to be done during the following months, not now.
hello
Disappointing, but not unexpected based on the progress of shiptraxs :-(.
Andrew
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A major announcement will be made next week and every RadarBox user will be proud of using it.
From a personal point of view I couldn't give a monkeys about the 787 project using ANRB, that's big business between you guys and Boeing . I'm just Joe Average who has stumped up his hard cash to buy something to enhance the pleasure I get from watching aircraft.
Now, what would make me proud of using the Radar Box would be a database that's accurate.
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No pleasing some people I guess.
For one, I'm very pleased to be using a bit of kit that is of a standard that is considered to be of use to a professional aviation operator. Such recognition can only help to encourage AirNav to develop Rabarbox further.
I tracked the early B787 test flights via the RB Network and it was fantastic to be right there as the flights took place.
Well done AirNav, keep up the good work!
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Hi Gary, I'm exceedingly pleased (and grateful) for every day that my RB continues working - a great bit of kit as long as it stays reliable, but "A major announcement will be made......", well, sorry, but I was expecting something sort of "major".........
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Joking aside, an announcement that the latest RB download now includes a revised database, so that we regular users can start to get the benefit of all the work being done by the update team, would be more than welcome.
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Hi all.
My thoughts are its all for the good, and thanks airnav for developing a great product, and i hope the Boeing 787 project is only the start for your company you deserve it.
from Pat.
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From a personal point of view I couldn't give a monkeys about the 787 project using ANRB, that's big business between you guys and Boeing .
I agree. I for one think it's apalling that Airnav should build our hopes up just to be told about the 787 project. Great news for Airnav but I really thought that us ANRB Users were to going to receive some kind of software update information.
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Joking aside, an announcement that the latest RB download now includes a revised database, so that we regular users can start to get the benefit of all the work being done by the update team, would be more than welcome.
Good point Dave but WHEN are Air Nav going to release this to the masses?
RB is a good product, an expensive one but a good one never the less. To me, the database is the one thing that drives me crazy. Just now for example saw TRA091 at around 1500ft somewhere near Stansted. The flight routing given was Amsterdam to Munster.
The stupifying manyana culture that goes on around here is irritating. C'mon Air Nav, please get something done about it quickly.
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(http://www.airnavsystems.com/images/general/RadarBox-Boeing787-Goodrich-3.png)
Goodrich/Boeing Communications Operations Center in Seattle
Nice picture, but no way is it the "Goodrich/Boeing Communications Operations Center in Seattle" - it's clearly an interior shot of the aircraft itself showing some of the on-board flight test equipment.
More attention to detail next time, please !
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Lets hope that Boeing are not useing the same database as we do.
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A major announcement will be made next week and every RadarBox user will be proud of using it.
Did anyone seriously believe it (the announcement) would be of any benefit to us as users?
Come on guys get real!
The use of "proud to use it" immediately made it more than obvious to me that an announcement of this ilk was on the cards,and that it no way would be concerning some major addition to the boxes capabilities.
I personally don't feel mis-led at all?
Irrespective of what we think, it's a nice little pr jaunt for AirNav
Regards
Rich
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Now, what would make me proud of using the Radar Box would be a database that's accurate.
If you take a look at other threads, it's obvious that a lot of hard work and commitment by some of the forum members is leading towards this.
I personally have attempted to keep everyone aware of the progress being made to this end.
As a team, we are however restricted to tailor our work in line with other committments Development have, however I can assure you we are making good progress and are regularly in communication with AirNav to facilitate the best way of achieving this.
Changes made to the AirNav central database are currently "live" and should be picked up by everyone "on line" - I do believe though that some overview as to the technicalities of the process involved to enable users to see this is required from AirNav?
We have also asked for feedback from the forum regarding errors /anomalies/blanks etc being pulled up from the database, but this appears to have gone almost un-noticed, with only a handful of forum members offering information.
There has been serious debate around the database issue on the forum ,almost continuously for as long as I've been a member, and whilst I'm not advocating that relying on the Database Updating team is everyones best solution, it is at present the only method of getting anywhere!
Can I also stress, that as a team (at present) we are not looking into route/flight ID information
Hope this keeps you in the picture
Regards
Rich
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Hi Marpleman.
After reading the airnav statement i would have to agree with you, there is nothing
to say anything about upgrade, it says "proud to use it" looks like i read it wrong sorry.
But all credit to airnav and their sales team for such a big promotional catch and a great sales pitch.
All the best from pat.
A major announcement will be made next week and every RadarBox user will be proud of using it.
Did anyone seriously believe it (the announcement) would be of any benefit to us as users?
Come on guys get real!
The use of "proud to use it" immediately made it more than obvious to me that an announcement of this ilk was on the cards,and that it no way would be concerning some major addition to the boxes capabilities.
I personally don't feel mis-led at all?
Irrespective of what we think, it's a nice little pr jaunt for AirNav
Regards
Rich
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Now, what would make me proud of using the Radar Box would be a database that's accurate.
Can I also stress, that as a team (at present) we are not looking into route/flight ID information
Regards
Rich
Can you please tell me why not? To the Joe Average like me this is quite an important element of the database.
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Now, what would make me proud of using the Radar Box would be a database that's accurate.
Can I also stress, that as a team (at present) we are not looking into route/flight ID information
Regards
Rich
Can you please tell me why not? To the Joe Average like me this is quite an important element of the database.
Hi Southwest
Understand your frustrations, however we have only taken onboard the actual aircraft/operator information ,by default I suppose!.
The route/flight ID stuff was never on the Updating Team's agenda, and to be honest ,the task with just the aircraft data is more than enough to be dealing with at this time.
Maybe AirNav could comment on this ,as again I'm only giving my perspective?
Rgds
Rich
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I think many people have this thinking that the databases should be 100% accurate and are simple to have. That case is far from the truth.
Regarding the Aircraft database, we were using GAS and Airliners.net to keep this updated and we have now moved onto a group of database updaters who are going through the database correcting data. The issue here is once the database is in a good state, how to get this updated with new updates using the existing software. This is being worked on and we understand there are issues here.
Routes database, we joined up with FlightStats to provide this information to our database. However this is not simple as certain low cost carriers don't have easy lookups which cause issues and it becomes a manual process to add these. The route database will be refreshed soon on our central server. Just like above we are looking into ways these can be updated locally on your machine in a better way.
Both databases above change rapidly, new routes appear and new aircraft/change of company occur daily and these are not easy to keep up with when you have 100,000+ aircraft to deal with. This is not a simple task and I hope you understand that.
We would also like to put this in perspective with other manufactures. To our knowledge no other ADS-B receiver manufacture takes on this task, they do not provide routes database or aircraft database which update. Using those you need to use add-on software which have no guarantee they will be around in a future (in fact a few have already dropped off causing issues to those running those receivers)
We are also the only receiver which runs a network for ADS-B aircraft where you don’t have accept terms that the network may be removed at anytime in the future.
The latest announcement is a big step for RadarBox and will affect customers as the project will increase development and new avenues may arise.
We hope that explains a few questions.
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Thanks for the explanation.
Just going back to your comment about no other ADS-B manaufacturer and routes and databases. That was one of the points that 'sold' me on the RB, it would be a shame if this area of the database wasn't moved up the priority list in the future.
I hope some of the cash you got from Boeing will enable you to make big strides in other areas of development.