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AirNav RadarBox and RadarBox24.com => AirNav RadarBox and RadarBox24.com Discussion => Topic started by: AirNav Development on February 07, 2010, 02:30:15 PM
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First of all a big thank you for all your help in RadarBox 3D development process.
This non-beta release is not time limited anymore so we are offering you RadarBox 3D is appreciation for your help during the development process.
The final non-beta version of RadarBox 3D is now available for download.
Try it at:
http://www.airnavsystems.com/download/anrb/403/ANRB403Setup.exe
All reported bugs corrected.
At this point any suggestion or very minor bug will not be implemented/corrected as the application is about to be released.
Please focus on the installation process, files copied, demo mode, how application performs, etc.
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Installed fine, manuals seem OK (though English manual front page says "RadarBox 2009")
Will try demo mode soon.
Still no BAE 146 models?
EDIT I see we have B463, but not RJ85.
Rod
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Just using Demo mode now - it's working fine, but it does seem odd to be using data from 2007 - just seen a BMED plane with an ID of LAJ - so there's no chance of getting a livery for that!
Perhaps some more recent data would be good!
Rod
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No problems with the installation. The program runs fine on Vista and Windows 7.
I have been running the new install for about 5 hours with no issues, it switches nicely between 2D and 3D views.
Kevin
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Hi,
Installed on Windows 7 X64. Clean install.
Drivers for the radarbox had to be installed by going to device manager and then selecting the RB folder with the drivers. It just came up failed driver if you installed the radarbox software and then plugged the Radarbox into the USB port.
Needed to run as administrator on compatibility tab so the dat files would write otherwise every restart of the app started with no data from a previous session.
No Air Canada livery which I think should be in there very soon if possible. Westjet is another but not before Air Canada.
The odd time going to "follow aircraft" resulted in no image what so ever of the aircraft. It's as if it was following a ghost. Westjet aircraft seem to be the worst for some reason or it could just be a coincidence so far. I'll keep an eye on it.
Overall opinion of app in it's current state. Awesome! but you may have some minor issues from customers if you launched now.
Thank-you!!!
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Also the aircraft/flight info popup box when clicking on an aircraft doesn't always have an X available to close the popup and you have to wait for a time-out.
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Also the aircraft/flight info popup box when clicking on an aircraft doesn't always have an X available to close the popup and you have to wait for a time-out.
Hi Falcon,
If you move the map a bit with your mouse after the popup shows up, it will force it to disappear. That's a quick way to close it. Eventually we will find a better solution for closing this 'balloon', however the Google Earth plugin is very limited in how we can control it.
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Hi,
I can't save a screen shot to the desktop even though I'm running as an administrator. Can't really think what to do to get by this one at the moment.
Method of save is file menu - screen shot - save to file
Also when it asks to open the file after the save nothing happens which could make sense as no file seems to exist.
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Is the network down? I can't connect since upgrading.
Paul@cyyb
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Is the network down? I can't connect since upgrading.
Paul@cyyb
Hi Paul,
I have the network here (delayed version)
Darryl
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Network is on.
Screen shots are onyl available on 2D mode.
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Ok I didn't have the USB plugged in. I switched from my desktop to my laptop as it runs 3D better and guess what I forgot to do.... It's been a long day.
Great support AirNav...middle of a Sunday night and I got a response in minutes. Keep up the great work! That's what makes you guys number one!
Paul@cyyb
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Ok I didn't have the USB plugged in. I switched from my desktop to my laptop as it runs 3D better and guess what I forgot to do.... It's been a long day.
Paul@cyyb
It's ok I'm just checking the manual to see if I should of remembered the screen shots only working in 2d :-)
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Ok I didn't have the USB plugged in. I switched from my desktop to my laptop as it runs 3D better and guess what I forgot to do.... It's been a long day.
Paul@cyyb
It's ok I'm just checking the manual to see if I should of remembered the screen shots only working in 2d :-)
A long day for you too then? Glad I'm not the only one. Take care.
Paul@cyyb
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Installed the exe.on my Windows 7 64 bits system with no problems. Working smooth and stable (maximum myflights-minimum network flights chosen). Demo-mode works fine. Pity the Dornier 228 did not make it (yet).
One bug reported remains: the Preferences window jumping to the background when ticked (not always, but occasionally). Great product though, enjoying it thanks to you...
Frank
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One bug reported remains: the Preferences window jumping to the background when ticked (not always, but occasionally). Great product though, enjoying it thanks to you...
Frank
Hi Frank
I am not seeing the Preferences window problem on my Win 7 systems here.
cheers
Kevin
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I have been running the new release since yesterday and I have only had to reload the 3D plugin once.
The Alerts are comming up okay and as yet I have still found no issues.
Network is fine although I only use the delayed option.
Kevin
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Feedback on the installation process only.
I tested by taking a backup of my current ANRB folder, and then doing a clean install with the latest installation exe. I then compare current to backup using Beyond Compare.
1. You might want to include the updated D008.dat file, and five new flags for Ecuador_Mil, Lithuania_Mil, Panama_Mil, Qatar_Mil, Venezuela_Mil. See http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=4263
2. You might want to include all the latest logos. See http://www.radarbox.gofreeserve.com/AllNewLogos_23-01-10.zip
I'll test the latest version today.
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Possible issues, some of which have been reported before. None are showstoppers, although all will probably generate forum complaints and problem tickets ;)
1. Need an option to startup in 2D mode. FIXED
2. If you select a smaller size "fixed scale" for the aircraft model in preferences, then the 2D icon of an aircraft should also reduce in size so that it is a similar size to a 3D model.
3. When I switch back to the 2D map, the map is zoomed out a lot further than it was before I went into the 3D map. The 2D map should retain all it's settings even if you switch to the 3D map and then back.
4. Is Radarbox meant to remember what external KMZs you've selected? I just restarted Radarbox, and it's forgotten that I selected the UK airspace KMZ.
5. I can't find the "Use Only 3D Aircraft Models (if available)" tickbox anymore. Has this been removed?
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One bug reported remains: the Preferences window jumping to the background when ticked (not always, but occasionally). Great product though, enjoying it thanks to you...
Frank
Hi Frank
I am not seeing the Preferences window problem on my Win 7 systems here.
cheers,
Kevin
On my setup it does occur only when the application is running in 3D mode. Running in 2D (mapview) gives no problems...
Frank
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The External KML Manager dialog box needs to sort the KMLs alphabetically. With nearly 100 to chose from, finding the right one is very difficult with them listed in random order.
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One bug reported remains: the Preferences window jumping to the background when ticked (not always, but occasionally). Great product though, enjoying it thanks to you...
Frank
Hi Frank
I am not seeing the Preferences window problem on my Win 7 systems here.
cheers,
Kevin
On my setup it does occur only when the application is running in 3D mode. Running in 2D (mapview) gives no problems...
Frank
It is not doing this for me in 3D mode or 2D mode we must have something setup differently.
Kevin
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If I record desktop in 2D mode then switch to 3d, when I return to 2D mode the map is the same zoom level as when I left it.
Kevin
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1. Need an option to startup in 2D mode.
The "tarbat option" has already been included :)
If you shutdown the app in 2D mode, when you restart the app it will be in 2D mode.
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If I record desktop in 2D mode then switch to 3d, when I return to 2D mode the map is the same zoom level as when I left it.
Still doesn't do that for me.
I setup my 2D view:
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2771/4339759029_615e9a0777_m.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tarbat/4339759029/sizes/o/)
Select MENU - WINDOW - RECORD DESKTOP
Switch to 3D view
Switch back to 2D view, and get this:
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2691/4340503292_f65939e283_m.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tarbat/4340503292/sizes/o/)
Are we saying that whenever you switch back to the 2D view you have to restore the desktop from the menu? Yes, if I select MENU - WINDOW - RESTORE DESKTOP, I get back to my original, but shouldn't it just restore automatically when returning from the 3D view?
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The External KML Manager dialog box needs to sort the KMLs alphabetically. With nearly 100 to chose from, finding the right one is very difficult with them listed in random order.
Must be on O/S thing - using XP Sp3 here and they are sorted alphabetically
(http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/9231/20100208212426.jpg)
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If I record desktop in 2D what ever I recorded will be seen when I switch back to 2D. I do not have to restore desktop it just works.
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If you shutdown the app in 2D mode, when you restart the app it will be in 2D mode.
Understood. When I tested, I shutdown in 3D mode :( You're correct, if you shutdown in 2D mode, next time it starts in 2D mode.
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If I record desktop in 2D what ever I recorded will be seen when I switch back to 2D. I do not have to restore desktop it just works.
Okay, but that doesn't work on my installation. I go into 3D, and when I return, the map is still zoomed out. I have to select Restore Desktop to get back to the original zoom level - see the screenshots I provided.
Also, if I startup in 2D, the MAP VIEW button is still enabled (not greyed out). Clicking on it also then zooms out on the map.
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If I record desktop in 2D what ever I recorded will be seen when I switch back to 2D. I do not have to restore desktop it just works.
Also, if I startup in 2D, the MAP VIEW button is still enabled (not greyed out). Clicking on it also then zooms out on the map.
Just started up in 2D and when Map View selected it refreshes to the same size map I started from, so we are seeing totally different behavoiur.
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For info I did a totally clean install in to a new directory.
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The External KML Manager dialog box needs to sort the KMLs alphabetically. With nearly 100 to chose from, finding the right one is very difficult with them listed in random order.
Must be on O/S thing - using XP Sp3 here and they are sorted alphabetically
Using Vista:
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4063/4339790819_3fdede9555_t.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tarbat/4339790819/sizes/o/)
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Wierd, I use vista and win 7 and they show alphabetical order.
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All was going well with testing. I've run 3D again today and with the Network settings on Medium, all my little aeroplane symbols in the coloured spheres have vanished!
Also, in the 3D country and county boundaries seem to have appeared where they did not exist before and I can't see any way of turning them off. Using the RB Country boundary etc options do not seem to affect the 3D view, only the 2D view.
I've tried changing all the 3D Preferences, but I can't get the aeroplane symbols back.
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The External KML Manager dialog box needs to sort the KMLs alphabetically. With nearly 100 to chose from, finding the right one is very difficult with them listed in random order.
No problems using Windows 7 64 bit
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One bug reported remains: the Preferences window jumping to the background when ticked (not always, but occasionally). Great product though, enjoying it thanks to you...
Frank
Hi Frank
I am not seeing the Preferences window problem on my Win 7 systems here.
cheers,
Kevin
On my setup it does occur only when the application is running in 3D mode. Running in 2D (mapview) gives no problems...
Frank
It is not doing this for me in 3D mode or 2D mode we must have something setup differently.
Kevin
Hi Kevin,
You could be right there I think. I will watch this one...
Frank
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3. When I switch back to the 2D map, the map is zoomed out a lot further than it was before I went into the 3D map. The 2D map should retain all it's settings even if you switch to the 3D map and then back.
Also, when changing to 2D view or split view from the 3D window, the following are always selected to 'On'
Airports
Highways/Interstates
States
Country Boundaries
Urban Areas
If you deselect all these then go back to the split view, they are switched on again.
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The External KML Manager dialog box needs to sort the KMLs alphabetically. With nearly 100 to chose from, finding the right one is very difficult with them listed in random order.
No problems using Windows 7 64 bit
I suspect it's a file system issue, rather than the OS. My ANRB is installed on a FAT32 partition, are you using an NTFS partition? FAT32 shows files in a command prompt listed in the order the files were created, and the KML manager really needs to then sort the files alphabetically.
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3. When I switch back to the 2D map, the map is zoomed out a lot further than it was before I went into the 3D map. The 2D map should retain all it's settings even if you switch to the 3D map and then back.
Also, when changing to 2D view or split view from the 3D window, the following are always selected to 'On'
Airports
Highways/Interstates
States
Country Boundaries
Urban Areas
If you deselect all these then go back to the split view, they are switched on again.
Not happening for me, I selected them off in 2D mode and they stay off even in split mode.
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Don't know if this is a bug, or just bad data from the EZY aircraft.
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4007/4340549964_c4eef39bcb_t.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tarbat/4340549964/sizes/o/)
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I have seen them going backward but probably this is an avoidance procedure ;-)
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Also, when changing to 2D view or split view from the 3D window, the following are always selected to 'On'
Airports
Highways/Interstates
States
Country Boundaries
Urban Areas
Confirmed - same here.
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Don't know if this is a bug, or just bad data from the EZY aircraft.
I've seen a couple of those in the past (not in the latest version). You must have been fast to catch it, everytime by the time I've started up the screen capture program, they have corrected themselves.
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Are we all starting from clean installs?
At this point in time I have copied no extra files in to the latest Airnav3D directory and I am not seeing some of the problems reported.
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Are we all starting from clean installs?
I did an uninstall/reinstall - there would have been a few "user files" that got carried over....
The previous v4.02b was a totally clean install for me.
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I did a clean install to an empty directory, but then copied back D008.dat, FLAGS, LOGOS, PHOTOS, Databases, etc.
Showing as version 3.1.1.77
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4009/4340594350_5b5db0c476_t.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tarbat/4340594350/sizes/o/)
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Are we all starting from clean installs?
At this point in time I have copied no extra files in to the latest Airnav3D directory and I am not seeing some of the problems reported.
Clean install into a new directory in XP Home. However, there is a good chance that the Registry settings from the numerous different versions of RB I've got in various directories - are being read when I'm running this version of 3D. For sure, my username and password details are there when I run fresh installs.
Maybe we need some sort of Registry 'flush' to properly test a new install - make sure you have your username/password though!
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Same file version, size and date but product version shows 1.0.0.0
Username and password come from Registry entries but I installed in a new directory NTFS file system and have not copied any files over.
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A lot of other stuff comes from the registry entries too - Alert Settings, Fleet Watch Settings, Menu settings like Airport, Overlay etc.
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3. When I switch back to the 2D map, the map is zoomed out a lot further than it was before I went into the 3D map. The 2D map should retain all it's settings even if you switch to the 3D map and then back.
Also, when changing to 2D view or split view from the 3D window, the following are always selected to 'On'
Airports
Highways/Interstates
States
Country Boundaries
Urban Areas
If you deselect all these then go back to the split view, they are switched on again.
Not happening for me, I selected them off in 2D mode and they stay off even in split mode.
OK, fixed the menu items not being remembered:
- Selected 2D map
- Deselected the menus display items
- CLOSED DOWN RB 3D whilst in 2D map mode
- Restarted 3D - starts in 2D map mode with menu settings remembered
- Now when I select Split > 3D View > 2D all the menus selections are remembered correctly.
I was shutting down in 3D View mode before.
Still can't get the little aeroplane symbols back in the coloured globes though.
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Yes I have just been going down the list of registry settings.
I use on three seperate systems and would expect to see some of the issues you report.
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Still can't get the little aeroplane symbols back in the coloured globes though.
Same here. I assumed it was a deliberate change in this version.
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Still can't get the little aeroplane symbols back in the coloured globes though.
Same here. I assumed it was a deliberate change in this version.
I was running it yesterday and they were there - at least I THINK that I was running the latest version, or was it the previous Beta?
Can't turn off the country/county boundaries at all and I don't remember seeing those before, although I might be wrong.
Software version showing as 4.03 2010/02/07 03:26
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Can't turn off the country/county boundaries at all and I don't remember seeing those before, although I might be wrong.
Have you turned them off in the 3D preferences? "Show borders and place labels".
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Can't turn off the country/county boundaries at all and I don't remember seeing those before, although I might be wrong.
Have you turned them off in the 3D preferences? "Show borders and place labels".
Ahhhhhhhhhhh............ right!
Thank you tarbat - off to find my dunces hat! Was clicking the 2D menu selection ........
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Thank you tarbat - off to find my dunces hat! Was clicking the 2D menu selection ........
But, I bet that's one that will get asked a dozen times or more in the forum once 3D goes live :(
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Still can't get the little aeroplane symbols back in the coloured globes though.
The little aircraft icons in the color spheres have been removed in this version. There was a lot of confusion reported with those icons so we got rid of them.
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3. When I switch back to the 2D map, the map is zoomed out a lot further than it was before I went into the 3D map. The 2D map should retain all it's settings even if you switch to the 3D map and then back.
Okay, the only way I can get it to remember my 2D map position/zoom, is to use the "Default.ml3" map. If I use any other map, such as my "2 Highlands.ml3", it forgets the map position/zoom when I go from 3D to 2D, even though I've used Menu - Window - Record. Looks like a bug to me.
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Don't know if this is a bug, or just bad data from the EZY aircraft.
I've seen a couple of those in the past (not in the latest version). You must have been fast to catch it, everytime by the time I've started up the screen capture program, they have corrected themselves.
The pitch is calculated based on the difference in altitude and distance between the two latest points (lat/long). It looks like the data coming in results in a bad pitch calculation. I will implement a max/min pitch to eliminate this in the next release. Thanks for pointing it out.
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Still can't get the little aeroplane symbols back in the coloured globes though.
The little aircraft icons in the color spheres have been removed in this version. There was a lot of confusion reported with those icons so we got rid of them.
OK, the only issue I have with this is that it is no longer obvious which way the aircraft are heading. As my PC really struggles with anything other than 'Minimum' for the Network traffic and even with the Network refresh rate set at 30 seconds, you have to watch carefully to see the flow of Network traffic. I'm not getting any trail at all from Network traffic either, only from the Hardware traffic.
If I set Network to 'Medium' my PC more or less stops dead and the 3D view is unusable.
Personally, I'd like to see the aeroplane symbols return - either that, or a way of reducing the PC loading that allows me to display 2D network symbols.
If the Network aircraft globes created a trail, that would help.
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OK, the only issue I have with this is that it is no longer obvious which way the aircraft are heading. As my PC really struggles with anything other than 'Minimum' for the Network traffic and even with the Network refresh rate set at 30 seconds, you have to watch carefully to see the flow of Network traffic. I'm not getting any trail at all from Network traffic either, only from the Hardware traffic.
If I set Network to 'Medium' my PC more or less stops dead and the 3D view is unusable.
Personally, I'd like to see the aeroplane symbols return - either that, or a way of reducing the PC loading that allows me to display 2D network symbols.
If the Network aircraft globes created a trail, that would help.
That actually was the reason we removed the aircraft icons. The icon never indicated direction, only climb, level and descend (the icon always pointed either left level, left up and left down). Having 2D icons with rotation is something that I tried implementing but it was often very confusing since they 'billboard' to the camera and rotation looks very odd. I'm still trying to find a good way to show direction with a 2D icon.
The 'medium' setting basically takes a 2D icon and lays it flat (parallel to the earth surface) and rotates it based on the aircraft heading. If you try choosing 'medium' for both hardware and network, then set 'Default number of Aircraft Trail Points' to 0, that might be usable on your system (it will only load icons w/o trails). This is a little more cpu intensive than the sphere icons, but not too much.
Unfortunately the network sphere's with 'minimum' setting selected won't show the trails. We should probably add this as an option in the next version.
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Seems to be a server error at the moment. No amount of "reload plugin" or switch to backup server is making it work!
(http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/2282/20100209171011.jpg)
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Seems to be a server error at the moment. No amount of "reload plugin" or switch to backup server is making it work!
Did it go back into 3D mode eventually? Or is it still not working for you? Did anyone else run into this problem?
I will look into whether there was a server issue around this time.
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Seems to be a server error at the moment. No amount of "reload plugin" or switch to backup server is making it work!
I did notice that if I was to shut down the software and restart within a few seconds I would not launch into 3d, and it would offer me to purchase 3d or something along that line and then proceed to continue in 2d mode. At one point I noticed multiple instances of the software running after a couple of shut downs and restarts of the software which I'm sure caused this issue at least once. At least one time however I launched and couldn't get it to go into a 3d start and I didn't see another instance of the software running as a process or an app under the two different tabs after using ctrl,alt,delete.
It does appear that waiting for more than just a few seconds will prevent more than one instance of the software running or failure to start in 3d, but I haven't timed it yet but it's longer than one would think they would have to wait that's for sure.
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That actually was the reason we removed the aircraft icons. The icon never indicated direction, only climb, level and descend (the icon always pointed either left level, left up and left down). Having 2D icons with rotation is something that I tried implementing but it was often very confusing since they 'billboard' to the camera and rotation looks very odd. I'm still trying to find a good way to show direction with a 2D icon.
The 'medium' setting basically takes a 2D icon and lays it flat (parallel to the earth surface) and rotates it based on the aircraft heading. If you try choosing 'medium' for both hardware and network, then set 'Default number of Aircraft Trail Points' to 0, that might be usable on your system (it will only load icons w/o trails). This is a little more cpu intensive than the sphere icons, but not too much.
Unfortunately the network sphere's with 'minimum' setting selected won't show the trails. We should probably add this as an option in the next version.
All noted - clearly I'd misunderstood the meaning of the aeroplane symbols too!
Unfortunately, my PC just isn't up to viewing the 2D Network symbols even with the trail points set to zero - everything just grinds to a halt.
Another idea then - how about making the 'minimum' aircraft spheres a bit smaller (a lot smaller in fact!) and give them a trail. At least that would make the 3D Network display usable for those of us with slightly older PC's.
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One bug reported remains: the Preferences window jumping to the background when ticked (not always, but occasionally). Great product though, enjoying it thanks to you...
Frank
Hi Frank
I am not seeing the Preferences window problem on my Win 7 systems here.
cheers
Kevin
I'm still loosing the Preference box behind the main RB window occasionally.
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Did it go back into 3D mode eventually? Or is it still not working for you? Did anyone else run into this problem?
Was still not working this morning for me, although other sites using the GE plugin were working.
A system reboot my end fixed the problem... very strange....
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Downloaded 4.03 into new directory from fresh install, and when run it tellsme 3D version is available and doI want to order it.
Still seem to be running 2D
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Still no problems to report here, all working fine.
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I've currently got multiple aircraft that I'm actively tracking in MyFlights (with globe icon) and actively updating and when you double click on some of these the 3d map zooms to where the aircraft should be, but other than the tracking lines there is no aircraft symbol of any type. You just watch the track line form and that's it. It's a ghost!
When using the home menu button it does show a 2d a/c symbol when looking top down.
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the 3d map zooms to where the aircraft should be, but other than the tracking lines there is no aircraft symbol of any type. You just watch the track line form and that's it. It's a ghost!
Yes - I've seen the occasional missing 3D model as well.
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EMA: Good News, tks.
EI4GBX: please send me an email to [email protected] with your S/N;
Falcon: this should have already been corrected. Can you confirm the version you are using? (about menu, exe date/time);
At this time we have decided to go ahead and release the application. This is a brand new technology applied to flight tracking and we are aware we will have some complaints in the begging. Anyway the app has been reported to be 100% stable on most of the systems. From now on we need user feedback for further fine tuning.
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EMA: Good News, tks.
EI4GBX: please send me an email to [email protected] with your S/N;
Falcon: this should have already been corrected. Can you confirm the version you are using? (about menu, exe date/time);
At this time we have decided to go ahead and release the application. This is a brand new technology applied to flight tracking and we are aware we will have some complaints in the begging. Anyway the app has been reported to be 100% stable on most of the systems. From now on we need user feedback for further fine tuning.
4.03
2010/02/07
03:26
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It shouldn't happen. Stby for the 3D Development reply.
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I've currently got multiple aircraft that I'm actively tracking in MyFlights (with globe icon) and actively updating and when you double click on some of these the 3d map zooms to where the aircraft should be, but other than the tracking lines there is no aircraft symbol of any type. You just watch the track line form and that's it. It's a ghost!
When using the home menu button it does show a 2d a/c symbol when looking top down.
From my experience with this so far, the problem is caused by the 3D plug-in attempting to load the 3D model from the application and some kind of error during the transfer happens causing it to fail for some unknown reason. I thought we'd eliminated this bug but it looks like it is still lingering in there. I will continue to work on this problem. There is a way to get around it as a temporary fix however. First, open your 'task manager' and kill all processes named 'geplugin.exe'. This will completely close the 3D plug-in (you will see it disappear from the ANRB application). Then click 'reload plug-in' and it will reload a fresh copy (this is different than just clicking 'reload plug-in' btw). The models will then be forced to reload from the application.
If this happens to anyone again, can you please post here or send me an email with what aircraft model was supposed to show, plus your network performance setting and hardware performance setting? This will help out during the testing/debugging process.
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I've currently got multiple aircraft that I'm actively tracking in MyFlights (with globe icon) and actively updating and when you double click on some of these the 3d map zooms to where the aircraft should be, but other than the tracking lines there is no aircraft symbol of any type. You just watch the track line form and that's it. It's a ghost!
When using the home menu button it does show a 2d a/c symbol when looking top down.
From my experience with this so far, the problem is caused by the 3D plug-in attempting to load the 3D model from the application and some kind of error during the transfer happens causing it to fail for some unknown reason. I thought we'd eliminated this bug but it looks like it is still lingering in there. I will continue to work on this problem. There is a way to get around it as a temporary fix however. First, open your 'task manager' and kill all processes named 'geplugin.exe'. This will completely close the 3D plug-in (you will see it disappear from the ANRB application). Then click 'reload plug-in' and it will reload a fresh copy (this is different than just clicking 'reload plug-in' btw). The models will then be forced to reload from the application.
If this happens to anyone again, can you please post here or send me an email with what aircraft model was supposed to show, plus your network performance setting and hardware performance setting? This will help out during the testing/debugging process.
Hi,
Without closing the app and following your directions exactly the same issue is still occurring for all tracked aircraft on the map. The software has been up over 24 hours now without being shut down. It was working fine yesterday.
Network was off but setting was min recommended. Hardware was max. I don't have the models but it appears to be everything at the moment. I'll let you know when I get one that actually displays at this point.
Two models that use to display but aren't now are the 757, 737, A320. Like I said it appears to be everything that tracks on the map at the moment even after the steps you mentioned to correct the issue. Tracking lines still show just great, just no 3d aircraft.
Intel Quad Core CPU, nVidia GeForce 8600 GT, Windows 7 x64, 4gb Ram
I just noticed something else. There is now a square box with a red x over my home location. Just keep in mind that the app was working fine and then started doing this without being shut down for the past 24 hours other than the plugin reset.
Hope this helps :-)
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I just noticed something else. There is now a square box with a red x over my home location. Just keep in mind that the app was working fine and then started doing this without being shut down for the past 24 hours other than the plugin reset.
It sounds like the ANRB application is having an issue accessing the models/images from your filesystem. Do you get the 2D icons or colored spheres to load when set to minimum or medium? Could you try completely restarting ANRB3D and report if things work again?
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Just out of interest, how do you propose to issue new models and new/updated liveries?
Will it be like logos etc with a forum thread, where the user has to download them and place them in the correct folders, or will the process be automated?
Rod
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Another idea then - how about making the 'minimum' aircraft spheres a bit smaller (a lot smaller in fact!) and give them a trail. At least that would make the 3D Network display usable for those of us with slightly older PC's.
Here is a zip with smaller icons if you'd like to try them out (I've been using these for a couple of days). Just place them in your <app path>/Data/Assets/ directory and overwrite the existing ones.
http://www.airnavsystems.com/cgi-bin/ANRB_3D/small_icons.zip
The trails will come with the next exe.
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Rod: we believe a specific forum thread would be the best (just like the new logos thread). We would prefer to give this task to the users as it would, also, help them grow their interest in the application.
Do you know how to do models / liveries? Do you need a detailed explanation? Let me know.
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I have no idea how to create 3D models! And an explanation of how to do the liveries would be greatly appreciated - they look a bit scary compared with logos and outlines.
I'm starting to feel a bit worried about the workload here - do you guys pay salaries? I could give up the day job!
I'll happily give them a go if I don't have to buy too much special software - I think CATIA might be a bit too expensive, and I'm not sure my computer could handle it ;-)
Rod
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I'll happily give them a go if I don't have to buy too much special software - I think CATIA might be a bit too expensive, and I'm not sure my computer could handle it ;-)
If you are looking for something to practice on, my wishlist starts here :)
http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=3983.msg40209#msg40209
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It sounds like the ANRB application is having an issue accessing the models/images from your filesystem. Do you get the 2D icons or colored spheres to load when set to minimum or medium? Could you try completely restarting ANRB3D and report if things work again?
I get 2d icons when zoomed out, but the second you zoom in to where there should be a 3d model it's not there. My thoughts were on file system access but nothing changed other than continued operation and general use of the computer. One core keeps up with the demand of the RB app in 3d mode so I've still got lots of juice left for other things of a rather general nature, at least since the new version of the app has been running.
I'm going to uninstall, reboot, reinstall as admin, reboot, run as admin, and then see what happens. I'll let you know. Oh ya and the RB directory is excluded from AVG.
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Started getting this error message this afternoon. Reloading the plug didn't solve the problem, only solution was to shutdown Radarbox and restart.
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4022/4345875987_f0b662fa01_o.jpg)
Clicking on the "Learn more>" link opened up a web-page within the Radarbox window.
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Do you know how to do models / liveries? Do you need a detailed explanation? Let me know.
I'd love to have a go, but would need a detailed explanation. I used to be quite adept at 3D Studio and Gmax.
What we really need is a program to convert Flight Sim models to ANRB models ;) We could then easily get, for example, the EC-225 from FSX and use it in ANRB.
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Do you know how to do models / liveries? Do you need a detailed explanation? Let me know.
What we really need is a program to convert Flight Sim models to ANRB models ;) We could then easily get, for example, the EC-225 from FSX and use it in ANRB.
If you can get the model in 3DS format with a texture map, I can convert it into the correct format for you. Then you can modify the texture map as needed. I will try to work up some kind of tutorial so you guys can do it yourself in the future (however we're pretty much busy working on getting it ready to launch right now). Hint: try looking into Google Sketch-up--it's very cool (and free for the non-pro version!).
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Started getting this error message this afternoon. Reloading the plug didn't solve the problem, only solution was to shutdown Radarbox and restart.
Clicking on the "Learn more>" link opened up a web-page within the Radarbox window.
I have seen this happen once before. I'm not positive what causes yet, but the application embeds an IE browser instance inside the 3D pane and sometimes it gets 'stuck'. Restarting ANRB3D application forces the instance to fully restart. If anyone can reliably duplicate it, please let us know.
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If anyone can reliably duplicate it, please let us know.
When this happened for me, I'd been running in 2D mode for most of the day (> 6 hours), if that's any clue to the cause.
And thanks for the clues about Google Sketchup, I'll experiment tomorrow with some Gmax models I've build in the past for FSX and import them into Google Sketchup.
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Hi All
Just back from my holiday and downloaded the new (full install)
Asking me if I want to go online and buy (As Below)
Cheers
Andy
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Hi All
Just back from my holiday and downloaded the new (full install)
Asking me if I want to go online and buy (As Below)
Cheers
Andy
Your radarbox needs to be enabled by Airnav to use the 3d application
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I've just realised that by running a second monitor from the one graphics card, I'm taking a big hit on RB 3D performance. I've unticked the 'Extend desktop onto second monitor' option so I'm just running the 22 inch widescreen by itself. The 3D window is much smoother and I can actually see the 3D models with Maximum set for Hardware flights. The PC is still gasping a bit and can't cope with anything other than Minimum for Network, but if I watch local flights only, it looks very nice :-)
I'm running the primary monitor from the HDMI output and the secondary from the RGB/VGA output of the NVIDEA GeForce 8500GT. I suppose that this makes sense really, it's just that I hadn't really noticed any loss of performance until I started using RB 3D - pushing the boundary I guess.
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I've just realised that by running a second monitor from the one graphics card, I'm taking a big hit on RB 3D performance. I've unticked the 'Extend desktop onto second monitor' option so I'm just running the 22 inch widescreen by itself. The 3D window is much smoother and I can actually see the 3D models with Maximum set for Hardware flights. The PC is still gasping a bit and can't cope with anything other than Minimum for Network, but if I watch local flights only, it looks very nice :-)
I'm running the primary monitor from the HDMI output and the secondary from the RGB/VGA output of the NVIDEA GeForce 8500GT. I suppose that this makes sense really, it's just that I hadn't really noticed any loss of performance until I started using RB 3D - pushing the boundary I guess.
Allocator,
Your graphics card should easily be able to support multiple screens (in my opinion) with decent performance--that's a great card. Do you have the latest NVidia graphics drivers installed for your OS? Are you able to use any other 3D intensive applications with good performance?
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I'll check the drivers - I haven't updated them for a while. It's a significant difference in performance - from unusable to very nice, so something isn't quite right.
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Right, I'm back - with the updated NVIDEA drivers. I think that I've overcome the problem of the second monitor reducing overall 3D performance - testing goes on :-)
Is there any way that I can reduce the size of the 'Pool Balls' when using Network at Minimum, or is this hard coded?
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Right, I'm back - with the updated NVIDEA drivers. I think that I've overcome the problem of the second monitor reducing overall 3D performance - testing goes on :-)
Is there any way that I can reduce the size of the 'Pool Balls' when using Network at Minimum, or is this hard coded?
see this post:
http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=4305.msg43611#msg43611
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Sorry, I missed the original post answering my request - :-0
Edit: Installed and running with the smaller Minimum Network icons - I like these :-)
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Sorry, I missed the original post answering my request - :-0
Edit: Installed and running with the smaller Minimum Network icons - I like these :-)
No worries--glad you like them. We'll probably replace the big ones with these small ones in the next installer.
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Another vote here for the small balls.
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The large ones look like balloons with the trails.
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The large ones look like balloons with the trails.
You don't get trails - but I know what you mean - the vertical lines that run down to the ground.
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The large ones look like balloons with the trails.
You don't get trails - but I know what you mean - the vertical lines that run down to the ground.
Sorry I meant the verticals, I have already hit the cider after a busy day.
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Ha! Enjoy - I'm just finishing off a bottle of wine that was left over from yesterday ........
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I was sceptical about the 3D function but the more I use it the more enjoyable it has become. The pilots view is my favourite which I use for many local approaches to EGNX. Even when having a drink ;-)
Sadly I am sure there is a small bunch of individuals just waiting to pull it apart once it is released, no matter how good it is.
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I agree, it's certainly different to using the 2D display. I won't be using 3D all the time but it's compulsive viewing and it looks so nice :-)
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It is important that you post all these opinions on the main forum (not on this beta limited board).
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What are Airnav's plans for the release of the 3D application?
I think a short trial will allow users to evaluate the 3D function and many like us will find a use for it even if they did not plan to upgrade.
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Release will happen quite soon.
Rgd the trial: good idea. We have added it to the to-do list.
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Not sure if this has been reported before. I find that when replaying a recording, aircraft models and trails don't appear on screen. You can double-click on an aircraft and the 3D view locates the aircraft position, but no aircraft and no trails.
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abrad41
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Re: ANRB403 Available - Non-Beta Version
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Hi All
Just back from my holiday and downloaded the new (full install)
Asking me if I want to go online and buy (As Below)
Cheers
Andy
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I emailed support as instructed in PM from Development on Sat 13th, But I have not received any reply.
Are they receiving e-mails ok.
Andy
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I emailed support as instructed in PM from Development on Sat 13th, But I have not received any reply.
Are they receiving e-mails ok.
Andy
I'm checking into this right now. I'll get back to you soon.
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Hi Andy: please resend your email (to [email protected]).
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Done
Thank you
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I've been having problems with my display looking likes it's snowing, static, if I leave the Radarbox software running for a number of hours in 3d mode. This does not happen when left in 2D mode. No idea what the issue would be as I have never encountered it before other than when I'm running 3d in the RB software. I'm using the latest driver from nVidia for a 8600gt. I actually upgraded the driver to the latest in hopes it may correct the problem but didn't have any luck. A reboot is the only solution to return the display to normal so far.
I'm sure I'll be the only one with this issue but my system has been very stable to discount this issue. I just call them as I see them :-)
System specs are an Intel Quad, 4GB RAM, nVidia 8600GT, Windows 7 x64
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Could that be a symptom of the graphics card overheating?
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Could that be a symptom of the graphics card overheating?
Can't say no for sure but I find it quite unlikely. It plays games that pushes the card a heck of a lot harder than the 3d google plugin would.
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I've been having problems with my display looking likes it's snowing, static, if I leave the Radarbox software running for a number of hours in 3d mode. This does not happen when left in 2D mode. No idea what the issue would be as I have never encountered it before other than when I'm running 3d in the RB software. I'm using the latest driver from nVidia for a 8600gt. I actually upgraded the driver to the latest in hopes it may correct the problem but didn't have any luck. A reboot is the only solution to return the display to normal so far.
I'm sure I'll be the only one with this issue but my system has been very stable to discount this issue. I just call them as I see them :-)
System specs are an Intel Quad, 4GB RAM, nVidia 8600GT, Windows 7 x64
I haven't seen this before on any of our test setups. Anyone else?
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I am using ATI 4850 and nvidia GT220 and have not seen this problem.