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The date everyone was waiting for has arrived.
After 5 months of development RadarBox 3D is finally ready for beta testing.
A few points:
1- We named this version RadarBox 4.00;
2- It launches as any other RadarBox software. After the connect button is clicked it checks our server for RadarBox 3D activation: if active it launches as RadarBox 3D. If the server cannot be contacted it is launched (by default) as RadarBox.
Download link:
http://www.airnavsystems.com/Download/ANRB/400Beta/ANRB400BetaSetup.exe
Please keep all the discussion on this thread.
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I'm getting odd white blocks over parts of the aircraft & also instead of my "home" location. I've circled them in purple...
Is there supposed to be a /data/assets directory in this version, if so its missing...
(http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/1977/20091128130945.jpg)
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Copying over an old assets directory fixes the white block problem for both aircraft & home location.
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Preferences dialog and Help box & Weather screen, etc are falling behind main screen after a while...
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FTP upload of 2D screen not working. May be related to above "split screen" activation and dislogs falling behind main screen, Because there is some 2D screen uploads from before switching to split mode.
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latitude/longitude/altitude (etc) infobar at bottom of 3D screen is so dim as to be unreadable...
(http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/644/20091128134632.jpg)
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Red cross in aircraft info box
(http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/9990/20091128135311.jpg)
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some liveries/models still missing
(http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/9131/20091128135754.jpg)
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AirNav Development...the link to the beta exe is not working.
Paul@cyyb
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pjm: not all liveries all included (it would be impossible). Anyway if you make a list of major liveries that should appear and aren't let us know. Maybe we can choose 50 liveries that should be there.
prbflight: try again now.
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Random spikes in height - I have actually seen this in the text interface of the 2D version as well, it becomes far more obvious in 3d though.... possibly some sort of sanity check or averaging required for the line drawing....
(http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/9436/20091128141325.jpg)
(http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/9504/20091128143710.jpg)
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@pjm, can you duplicate/post the steps for making the 'preferences' dialog fall behind the main application? I haven't been able to duplicate with this this build yet.
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@pjm - Those are great shots of the height point issue. We're working on adding a filter to try and ignore those points in the 3D plots. This should be fixed soon.
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can you duplicate/post the steps for making the 'preferences' dialog fall behind the main application? I haven't been able to duplicate with this this build yet.
So far its a one out of one. I've tried to duplicate it for about an hour without success. No doubt it will re-occur - we just have to work out what sequence triggers it!
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When you select the 3D settings from "3D View/3D View Settings" it takes you to the 3D settings pane in preferences, but the tab is missing from the top. If you select one of the other preferences tab, you can't get back to the 3D settings directly.
(http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/1166/20091128181753.jpg)
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Noticed a little system slowdown after running with the network connected for a while. I was actually trying to watch a local aircraft at the time but the 3D screen was very slow too...
(http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/3576/20091128205717.jpg)
turning off the network and things returned to more normal CPU/memory usage ant the system became responsive again.
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I concur with pjm on all of the above. As well I let RadarBox 3D run all night and when I woke up my system had bogged down to where it was un-usable.
Paul@cyyb
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Same experiences over here.
When i select the 3D View Settings only the tabs general, radarbox, home station data and map colors are showing. I can't modify any of the 3D settings, i cant't see them neither.
Regards,
Dirk.
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We are paying attention to your feedback. Pls continue to report more problems and/or suggestions.
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AirNav
I have some of the same things, but not all, some of my own too.
When you select the 3D settings from "3D View/3D View Settings" it takes you to the 3D settings pane in preferences, but the tab is missing from the top. If you select one of the other preferences tab, you can't get back to the 3D settings directly.
When you go to preferences, no setting and no tab for setting. 3D View from Menu - this started out ok, i could get into setting, but now been running a while, cannot get to setting at all.
Red cross in aircraft info box
This I have seen too - seems to be where a/c photo is missing, also info box does not always have a blue x to close info box.
latitude/longitude/altitude (etc) infobar at bottom of 3D screen is so dim as to be unreadable...
Think this needs changing from grey to white. Also when I went to preferences to see if I could change colour - then click a colour - everything frooze.
FTP upload of 2D screen not working. May be related to above "split screen" activation and dislogs falling behind main screen, Because there is some 2D screen uploads from before switching to split mode.
Ftp working ok when just the 2d map view is selected, but not work when on split screen or 3D screen.
EDIT- 2 screenshots below, 1st one I got after closing down through task manager, 2nd is a report
Andy
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Have seen some spikes for the first time, below
When started for second time - Had a google plugin error, but went away quick. I had no 3D dropp down menu, then it came back.
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It seem to run ok with planeplotter
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With regard to the system bogging down after leaving it running for a while, can you provide us with a screenshot of your 3D Settings dialog plus whether or not you have hardware, network or both flights selected. This will help figure out what is causing the slowness. Also, a brief description of your system specs would help too (i.e. CPU speed and memory amount and OS version).
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When you select the 3D settings from "3D View/3D View Settings" it takes you to the 3D settings pane in preferences, but the tab is missing from the top. If you select one of the other preferences tab, you can't get back to the 3D settings directly.
When you go to preferences, no setting and no tab for setting. 3D View from Menu - this started out ok, i could get into setting, but now been running a while, cannot get to setting at all.
You might find this is where the preferences (and other popups) is actually opening with focus but falling behind the main RB window so you can't see them. You can close the "hidden behind" window with Alt-F4 as it has the focus, and then the main RB window will have the focus again.
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Pls continue to report more problems and/or suggestions.
I'd like to see options to ftp upload both 2D and/or 3D screenshots :)
There was a suggestion to make the FTP upload interval user selectable - I think this is a good idea too. It doesn't actually impact me (bandwidth wise) as I ftp to a server on my local area network, and a different program uploads my screenshots (at the interval I select).
Can we please have ANRB remember its settings (from record desktop) when it is stretched across 2 (or more) monitors?. Every time I start ANRB I have to do the "restore down/move to top of primary monitor/stretch across 2 screens" as it only startps up maximised across the primary monitor.
Likewise can the "Connect to ACARS Decoder" tickbox setting be remembered - because it always starts turned off, and sometimes I forget to turn it on.
Also can ANRB remember the state of the "Split View" setting between startups.
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I've had a couple of crashes at ANRB shutdown too...
AirNav Dev - I've emailed you the ANRB.elv file - its about 2mb.
(http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/1179/20091128172236.jpg)
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re split screen view.
When the 2D screen has focus, clicking on an aircraft only highlights it in the 2D screen and the text interface.
When the 3D screen has focus clicking on an aircraft only selects it in the 3D screen and the text interface.
and in reverse, clicking on an aircraft in the text interface only selects it and which ever 2D or 3D view is in focus.
It would make sense logically if clicking on aircraft in any of the 3 panes changed the selection on all three windows.
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re split screen view.
When the 2D screen has focus, clicking on an aircraft only highlights it in the 2D screen and the text interface.
When the 3D screen has focus clicking on an aircraft only selects it in the 3D screen and the text interface.
and in reverse, clicking on an aircraft in the text interface only selects it and which ever 2D or 3D view is in focus.
It would make sense logically if clicking on aircraft in any of the 3 panes changed the selection on all three windows.
pjm, I agree with you regarding this. However it's a little more complicated since the 2D view selects the aircraft on 'mouse over' instead of only on a click. There will need to be some modifications to the 2D to eliminate the mouse over select and make it an onclick and then use that to select in the 3D. I tried using the 'mouse over' select from the 2D to select in the 3D too, but things start selecting too quickly and doesn't feel right. I'll consult with others and see what we can implement to make this work correctly. Thanks for the suggestion.
We'll add the double-click select from the grid to select both 2D and 3D views (if split view is active). That one should be easy.
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Pls continue to report more problems and/or suggestions.
I'd like to see options to ftp upload both 2D and/or 3D screenshots :)
pjm - We'll look into making this available. The Google Earth TOS might make posting screenshots a little tricky. We'll investigate and see if it can be done within the TOS. Thanks for the suggestion.
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I've left ANRB 3D running all day and just came back to an interesting effect that I haven't seen before. I'll call it the "red rain" effect :)
Have a look at the red lines going to the ground.
Airnav - let me know if you need a better quality video (than the youtube version), otherwise I'll delete the original in a couple of days.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyoBmVCbicc
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Hi AirNav,
I'm not sure if you'll receive my e-mail or forum message first but it appears I don't have a 3d menu available to me in the software. I've received an e-mail indicating I'm active for the 3d from Andre. Could someone look into this. I'm running a clean install of 4.00.
Thanks,
Darryl
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Hi AirNav,
I'm not sure if you'll receive my e-mail or forum message first but it appears I don't have a 3d menu available to me in the software. I've received an e-mail indicating I'm active for the 3d from Andre. Could someone look into this. I'm running a clean install of 4.00.
Thanks,
Darryl
Ditto.
Although ANRB v4 starts up in 3D View when I go to Preferences there is no 3D tab...not even a blank tab like reported earlier so I am unable to access any 3D settings.
Also when I do open the Preferences window where the Apply, OK, Cancel & Help buttons are at the bottom of the menu they don't quite fit in the height of the window and therefore the scroll bar shows to the right of the buttons...looks odd and there is definitely enough screen estate there to display the buttons as can be seen from the screenshot.
http://www.screencast.com/t/MDBkZGNkZT
There is also an annoying square image in the middle of the screen which completely obscures my location and of course gets bigger when I zoom in...see 2nd attached screenshot.
http://www.screencast.com/t/YTljNTlmYT
I can concur with other reports that the info in the Status bar is almost impossible to read and would agree that the FP upload time should be user configurable - I have asked for this before but you didn't want to make major changes at that time.
Is now the time maybe...
...or maybe not as ANRD3D has completely frozen up after less than 10 minutes of running.
The File Menu button has stuck in (age-old problem) and I cannot access any menu, screen update is not working, even Task Manager does not see it as Not Responding but I cannot even use the minimise/maximise/close gadgets nor anything else.
Look what happens when I move the Task Manager box over the ANRB screen...I now have the sleepy pointer up when moving over the RB screen.
Clicking a couple of times on the taskbar caused the complete program to shut down and disappear from view.
This is repeatable and occurs even after a reboot.
http://www.screencast.com/t/MWMyOGUzOGM
The last time I ran the program however the strange square in the middle of the screen turned into a set of 'radar rings' which although is much better than the square still obscures my location...
Regards,
-=Glyn=-
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Ditto.
Although ANRB v4 starts up in 3D View when I go to Preferences there is no 3D tab...not even a blank tab like reported earlier so I am unable to access any 3D settings.
If I'm not mistaken there is supposed to be a 3d menu option right from the main menu without going to preferences. So you would have File, Filters, Map, 3D View, Tools, Window, Help
I don't start in 3D or see anything remotely resembling anything 3D in the software. I login successfully so maybe somebody didn't throw the 3D switch on my account correctly.
Darryl
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If I'm not mistaken there is supposed to be a 3d menu option right from the main menu without going to preferences. So you would have File, Filters, Map, 3D View, Tools, Window, Help
Darryl
I can't really say for certain just where the 3D Preferences are as I can't see 'em! ;^)
Taking a look here would indicate to me that it should be another tab in the Preferences window;
http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=3901.msg39189#msg39189
Darryl, do you see any menu anomolies on the latest builds or have yours been banished for good?
Kind regards,
-=Glyn=-
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I've noticed if you are in "follow aircraft" mode and the aircraft goes out of range and times out, if you don't exit the "follow aircraft" mode, some time later the 3D screen will dunk you in the ocean (if you're over the ocean). I don't know what happens if you leave it in that mode over the earth!
This has happened to me a few times....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyNQCYUS_sw
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I can't really say for certain just where the 3D Preferences are as I can't see 'em! ;^)
You can also get to the 3D preferences page via "3D View/3D View Settings", but yes the tab is missing from the normal preferences view... But I now see that is missing for you too Glyn...
(http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/2817/20091129200341.jpg)
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If I start ANRB3D in 3D View and then click the Map View for the first time a window appears that is smaller than the usual map window and is zoomed out a long way.
I then zoom in and centre my Home location.
If I then click 3D View I get the GE plug-in with the earth in the centre of the screen but then it zooms out to make the earth smaller!!
If I then click on Map View the GE plug-in disappears and I just get a blank grey screen.
Clicking 3D View will bring the GE plug-in back but again in a smaller window and once again the earth zooms out so the earth is @ 1" diameter...difficult to see continents let alone aircraft over England! ;^)
Again Map View (and Split View) just goves a blank grey screen with nothing in it.
In addition all of the icons on the Quick Launch icon bar are greyed out with the exception of the last three; Weather, Airport & Get Weather.
I also get Flight in Range Alerts (set up for 5Nm) but no aircraft appear on the 3D map.
When I do see an aircraft it appears to be either flying backwards (red aircraft flying from Solihull to Oxford) or sideways (green aircraft over Milton Keynes) - see attached screenshot.
If I click on the aircraft icon I get the info window pop up for less than a second so am unable to read anything about it.
If I click on 3D View from the Main Menu and click 3D View Settings the Preferences window opens but defaults to the General tab - as I said before there is no 3D tab.
As mentioned before there is no FTP upload when in 3D view.
On opening the program a second time the GE plug-n defaulted to the North Pole and my Home Location had disappeared although if I click Home (which has now reappeared and is not ghosted) it takes me home but neither the word Home nor Banbury shows.
A quick look shows that the option for my Custom Legend in Preferences has been wiped clean.
When I exit I get the error requestor window open.
This was from a virgin install...should I continue?
Regards,
-=Glyn=-
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The last time I ran the program however the strange square in the middle of the screen turned into a set of 'radar rings' which although is much better than the square still obscures my location...
That's what you should have, once you start tracking a few aircraft it will seem really tiny and hard to see :)
(http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/8650/20091129201756.jpg)
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Another funny when starting ANRB, that I haven't seem before. "reload plugin" fixed it, but I think this is the first time I've ever had to use the "reload plugin" button!
(http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/9614/20091129195751.jpg)
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This was from a virgin install...should I continue?
Something very strange going on with your setup Glyn. Sometimes you have the "3D View" options and other times you don't!
(http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/5470/20091129223110.jpg) (http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/5470/20091129223110.jpg)
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Hi AirNav,
I'm not sure if you'll receive my e-mail or forum message first but it appears I don't have a 3d menu available to me in the software. I've received an e-mail indicating I'm active for the 3d from Andre. Could someone look into this. I'm running a clean install of 4.00.
Thanks,
Darryl
Hi Darryl,
It sounds like your account might not be setup correctly to allow the 3D option on the server. Also, when you startup RadarBox 3D, your computer must be connected to the Internet. Be sure your connection is established before starting RadarBox and see if you get the same problem. If you were already connected and still dont get 3D, then your account must not be configured correctly on the server. We'll check into your account on the server. I'll PM later after I verify.
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Another funny when starting ANRB, that I haven't seem before. "reload plugin" fixed it, but I think this is the first time I've ever had to use the "reload plugin" button!
(http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/9614/20091129195751.jpg)
pjm - This happens on occasion which is why we make that 'reload plugin' easy to find. The Google Earth Plugin sometimes has problems with too many 3D models loading or using too much memory (and sometimes other problems that we don't fully understand why it crashes). There is an internal timer in RadarBox software that will detect the plugin has crashed and will restart it automatically, but you must have caught it before the timer checked status.
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I don't recall the sequence of screen changes I did but I eventually found the 3D settings screen. After I had configured my settings I let the program run overnight. when I checked it out in the morning I did not suffer from the freeze the day before. The program appears to be running ok right now although over the last 48 hours I have had the same issues as noted by others above.
Paul@cyyb
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If I start ANRB3D in 3D View and then click the Map View for the first time a window appears that is smaller than the usual map window and is zoomed out a long way.
I then zoom in and centre my Home location.
If I then click 3D View I get the GE plug-in with the earth in the centre of the screen but then it zooms out to make the earth smaller!!
If I then click on Map View the GE plug-in disappears and I just get a blank grey screen.
Clicking 3D View will bring the GE plug-in back but again in a smaller window and once again the earth zooms out so the earth is @ 1" diameter...difficult to see continents let alone aircraft over England! ;^)
Again Map View (and Split View) just goves a blank grey screen with nothing in it.
In addition all of the icons on the Quick Launch icon bar are greyed out with the exception of the last three; Weather, Airport & Get Weather.
I also get Flight in Range Alerts (set up for 5Nm) but no aircraft appear on the 3D map.
When I do see an aircraft it appears to be either flying backwards (red aircraft flying from Solihull to Oxford) or sideways (green aircraft over Milton Keynes) - see attached screenshot.
If I click on the aircraft icon I get the info window pop up for less than a second so am unable to read anything about it.
If I click on 3D View from the Main Menu and click 3D View Settings the Preferences window opens but defaults to the General tab - as I said before there is no 3D tab.
As mentioned before there is no FTP upload when in 3D view.
On opening the program a second time the GE plug-n defaulted to the North Pole and my Home Location had disappeared although if I click Home (which has now reappeared and is not ghosted) it takes me home but neither the word Home nor Banbury shows.
A quick look shows that the option for my Custom Legend in Preferences has been wiped clean.
When I exit I get the error requestor window open.
This was from a virgin install...should I continue?
Regards,
-=Glyn=-
Hi GlynH,
The window size you describe on startup is indeed strange. Those nested windows (map or 3D view) should starup maximized. If it opens small, click the maximize icon on that sub-window and it will fill up the full space. After you do that and close the application, it should remember that it should auto-maximize the sub-windows next time. If this is not the case, please let us know. Also, can you provide us with your system specs (i.e. OS version and screen resolution is most important in your case). Please send these to [email protected].
Regarding the "flying backward" you mention, when starting RB3D for the first time, we set the settings to "minimum" as default which just overlays a simple icon on the 3D map where aircraft are detected. The three icons only represent 'climb', 'leveled' and 'descend' only and and don't represent heading at all (which is why they look like it's flying backward). If you go into the 3D View settings and choose either "medium" or "maximum" setting, you'll get more detailed aircraft icons (or 3D models) which will show you the heading correctly as you expect. They do use more system resources, but they look very cool. We need to set minimum as a default so we can support basic hardware (i.e. no graphic accelerator).
We're still trying to determine what could be going on with the other issues you had. Stay tuned on those and we'll respond with more details soon.
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I just shut down the program and restarted. Here is the sequence I used to get to the 3D settings. Maybe it will work for others.
1) start RadarBox 3D and let it load fully...it should start in 3D (note the menu at top does not give 3D View option.
2) click on the Map View tab and let the map view load. (note the 3D View option is now on the menu although if you open it every thing is greyed out.
3) click on the Split View tab and let both screens load (if you go to 3D View now and click on settings you still do not get the 3D settings screen yet.)
4) now click on the maximize box on the 3D portion of the split screen so it overlaps the 2D box. Your screen now shows the 3D map only.
5) go back to the 3D View menu and click on settings and the settings screen will appear...at least it does for me.
Paul@cyyb
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Paul
Mine is the same - apart from I can get the setting screen after #4
One thing AirNav - Everytime I start Rb, I am getting the welcome screen, even after I untick the box for next time.
Andy
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AirNav
In 3D view would there be anyway of wrapping the label text, instead of in a straight line.
Andy
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AirNav
I have to do this after every restart.
1) start RadarBox 3D and let it load fully...it should start in 3D (note the menu at top does not give 3D View option.
2) click on the Map View tab and let the map view load. (note the 3D View option is now on the menu although if you open it every thing is greyed out.
3) click on the Split View tab and let both screens load (if you go to 3D View now and click on settings you still do not get the 3D settings screen yet.)
But after 3 I can get to the settings.
Andy
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Hi Darryl,
It sounds like your account might not be setup correctly to allow the 3D option on the server. Also, when you startup RadarBox 3D, your computer must be connected to the Internet. Be sure your connection is established before starting RadarBox and see if you get the same problem. If you were already connected and still dont get 3D, then your account must not be configured correctly on the server. We'll check into your account on the server. I'll PM later after I verify.
The information you requested in your last e-mail has been sent.
I'll go with the the "not configured correctly on the server" option :-). I login to the software just fine and get network access, so there is nothing stopping my Internet connection to your servers.
Like I already mentioned. It runs as if it's just the normal version of RB.
Even if this is just a server configuration issue, it appears that there may be menu issues which came to light after I made my post in regards to this. I won't be able to comment further on it though until I see more than I do now.
Thanks,
Darryl
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AirNav
In 3D view would there be anyway of wrapping the label text, instead of in a straight line.
Andy
Unfortunately Google Earth only allows a single line for 'placemark' labels (which an aircraft is considered a placemark in Google Earth terms). Hopefully the Google Earth plug-in will allow multiple line labels in the future. For now, you can tweak your label content in the 3D settings to (hopefully) find a good balance for a single line label.
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Ok AirNav
Thank you
Andy
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Hi GlynH,
The window size you describe on startup is indeed strange. Those nested windows (map or 3D view) should starup maximized. If it opens small, click the maximize icon on that sub-window and it will fill up the full space. After you do that and close the application, it should remember that it should auto-maximize the sub-windows next time. If this is not the case, please let us know. Also, can you provide us with your system specs (i.e. OS version and screen resolution is most important in your case). Please send these to [email protected].
Regarding the "flying backward" you mention, when starting RB3D for the first time, we set the settings to "minimum" as default which just overlays a simple icon on the 3D map where aircraft are detected. The three icons only represent 'climb', 'leveled' and 'descend' only and and don't represent heading at all (which is why they look like it's flying backward). If you go into the 3D View settings and choose either "medium" or "maximum" setting, you'll get more detailed aircraft icons (or 3D models) which will show you the heading correctly as you expect. They do use more system resources, but they look very cool. We need to set minimum as a default so we can support basic hardware (i.e. no graphic accelerator).
We're still trying to determine what could be going on with the other issues you had. Stay tuned on those and we'll respond with more details soon.
OK...done as requested with the window size issue.
ANRB defaulted to 3D map when run, selected Map View and got elongated, tall thin map window, maximised by using gadget and closed app.
Ran the app again where it defaulted to 3D as expected but when I selected Map View I got the tall, thin window again so it did not remember the previous size setting.
I have already responded to the email address with my system details as requested...good luck in setting up a system like mine! ;^)
Regarding your second paragraph about aircraft flying on reverse thrusters I am unable to try your suggestion as I am unable to access the 3D view settings!
If I select 3D View Settings from the 3D View Menu all I get is the standard Preferences screen pop open at the General tab.
It just shows the usual four tabs, General, RadarBox, Home Station Data & Map Colors...no 3D stuff at all.
Tried your suggestion Paul but no matter what I do when I switch to the Map View it always opens in a tall, thin window zoomed right out centred on the Atlantic Ocean!
And then when I try and go back to 3D the GE earth actually zooms out instead of zooming in!
Regards,
-=Glyn=-
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One thing AirNav - Everytime I start Rb, I am getting the welcome screen, even after I untick the box for next time.
Andy
Yup. Me too Andy.
But for some reason I can now read the Lat/Lon and associated text in the status bar clearly whereas I couldn't before!
Regards,
-=Glyn=-
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After a day of installed RadarBox 3D are a few observations:
1) The Preferences option is below the program: I can not select the options being forced to close the program by the "Task Manager of Windows.
2) I can not see all the traffic in my area. Comparing the amount of traffic on the option of 2D with 3D just some aircraft are visible. Realized only flights directly captured by the antenna is to be shown on screen 3D. The flight captured by real-time network are not visible. (See picture attached)
In other areas did not notice any problem. I will continue testing and if other problems reported.
Regards,
Renato Nagg
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After a day of installed RadarBox 3D are a few observations:
1) The Preferences option is below the program: I can not select the options being forced to close the program by the "Task Manager of Windows.
Can you duplicate this - I've seen it once, but I can't work out what sequence (key/mouse strokes etc) I performed that caused it to happen.
Alternately to killing ANRB from task manager, you can press "ALT F4" because the windows behind the main window have the focus, and pressing "ALT F4" will close them, returning focus to the main screen.
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But for some reason I can now read the Lat/Lon and associated text in the status bar clearly whereas I couldn't before!
yes I noticed that this morning too, but I was also asked to re-install the plugin this morning as well..
(http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/6900/20091130094121.jpg)
AirNav - is this something you are changing at the server end, or is something else?? I noticed the "reload plugin" icon also changed during earlier testing without me doing anything at my end.
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After a day of installed RadarBox 3D are a few observations:
1) The Preferences option is below the program: I can not select the options being forced to close the program by the "Task Manager of Windows.
Can you duplicate this - I've seen it once, but I can't work out what sequence (key/mouse strokes etc) I performed that caused it to happen.
Alternately to killing ANRB from task manager, you can press "ALT F4" because the windows behind the main window have the focus, and pressing "ALT F4" will close them, returning focus to the main screen.
Ok I'll try to duplicate this problem. Thanks for the info!
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Appeared this error now. I have already installed the plug in again and did not resolve.
Someone else has this problem?
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But for some reason I can now read the Lat/Lon and associated text in the status bar clearly whereas I couldn't before!
yes I noticed that this morning too, but I was also asked to re-install the plugin this morning as well..
(http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/6900/20091130094121.jpg)
AirNav - is this something you are changing at the server end, or is something else?? I noticed the "reload plugin" icon also changed during earlier testing without me doing anything at my end.
The 3D plugin is loaded from the Internet so we can modify it remotely. This is why you now see the new font color without any new .exe. However a lot of the other changes will require a new .exe (such as the falling-behind preferences and the missing '3D Settings' tab. Those fixes will be coming soon with a new exe. Google released a new plug-in today too which is why you needed to reload the page. We're still looking into exactly what is new with the plug-in release...stay tuned for more info on this one.
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Appeared this error now. I have already installed the plug in again and did not resolve.
Someone else has this problem?
I myself had this same problem this morning when the new plugin got installed. A complete system reboot solved the problem. Let us know if this doesn't solve the problem for you.
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Problem solved!
Thanks!
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Hi,
A few of items so far which may be similar to others but the different explanations may help you correct the issues easier assuming they don't differ too much.
1. No 3D View selection from main menu at all on start up. 3d View menu option became available after selecting Map - Open/Save - New 2D Map.
2. 3d View - 3D View Settings brings up preferences but there are no setting specific to anything 3D that would be any different than the regular RB application.
3. Watched a B737 depart off CYYJ with ADS-B and there was no icon for the aircraft at all. The only way you could tell there was an aircraft was the ADS-B icon in the My Flights list and the 3D map tracked it.
4. When selecting different views with left click on the aircraft list in My Flights not all views are working. I could be more specific such as which ones but the whole app seems sluggish when you change anything related to 3D or it just doesn't change a view at all.
5. Top Down View - Aircraft icon on map disappears. This occurs after zooming in to a certain point. If you zoom back out the icon reappears.
Darryl
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Hi
Noticed this morning, if and when you get the preferances box up - you cannot close it by "apply" then "ok". the only way to close it, is either "cancel" or "red cross".
Andy
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AirNav
One thing AirNav - Everytime I start Rb, I am getting the welcome screen, even after I untick the box for next time.
Also with this, when you click on the "Set your preferenecs" link, it goes to preferences window, but no settings for 3D
Andy
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Using the split screen
I can not see all the traffic in my area. Comparing the amount of traffic on the option of 2D with 3D just some aircraft are visible.
I am getting this as well, more flights showing on the 2D, than the 3D. I am not using the network either.
Andy
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Hi
Noticed this morning, if and when you get the preferances box up - you cannot close it by "apply" then "ok". the only way to close it, is either "cancel" or "red cross".
Andy
Ditto.
-=Glyn=-
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AirNav
One thing AirNav - Everytime I start Rb, I am getting the welcome screen, even after I untick the box for next time.
Also with this, when you click on the "Set your preferenecs" link, it goes to preferences window, but no settings for 3D
Andy
Ditto again.
-=Glyn=-
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Using the split screen
I can not see all the traffic in my area. Comparing the amount of traffic on the option of 2D with 3D just some aircraft are visible.
I am getting this as well, more flights showing on the 2D, than the 3D. I am not using the network either.
Andy
Ditto a third time! ;^)
-=Glyn=-
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We're working on fixing these issues that you all have pointed out so far. Stay tuned for a new exe soon. Thanks for all of your testing.
So far there are is a lot great feedback regarding bugs and oddness in the app (which is great--we need this), but what in general do you think about the app? Do you like it so far? Would you continue to use it after the beta? What would you most like changed or added to the 3D part? General comments or suggestions like this help very much since you guys are the target audience for this. Any feedback is greatly appreciated!
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This app looks fantastic, would definately use it after beta..lets see the next exe!!
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I just noticed a couple of Virgin Blue Airlines aircraft on the screen at the same time. Both are B738, yet one of them seems not to be recognised by the 3D software (the B738 type is not displayed in the label) and the model/livery is not displayed either.
You can see both aircraft in these screen shots and also the text interface which confirms the same Airline/type.
(http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/899/20091201104250.jpg) (http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/899/20091201104250.jpg)
(http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/5332/20091201104329.jpg) (http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/5332/20091201104329.jpg)
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But what in general do you think about the app? Do you like it so far? Would you continue to use it after the beta? What would you most like changed or added to the 3D part?
Hi,
I have asked myself some of those questions already. I like the app but I'm not 100% sure I would purchase it yet even if it wasn't in beta. It's going to need to be more polished before I can make that decision so hopefully any comments I make are useful in getting it there.
I would like it to function as close to the regular RB app but with a 3D view. Extra 3D functions are great but you want the 3d view to be useful and not just eye candy or the novelty will soon wear off or never capture the customers interest enough to make a purchase if you were offering a trial as one example. One thing that would move towards that idea would be having radar rings on the 3d map. Is it possible? I'll think of other things as I spend more time with the 3D app so as to clarify this comment and answer your questions further.
One thing at the moment while I think about it. The default zoom is to zoomed in. I like the default zoom of the regular RB app. I'm not at the RB right now but it's the zoom after you use one of the buttons on the main menu, and at the moment I can't name the button but I think you'll know what I mean.
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One thing that would move towards that idea would be having radar rings on the 3d map.
With a user selectable on/off button - same as the 2D map.
A previous suggestion of mine was a 3D polar/height diagram as well.
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Hi
I agree with this from Falcon
I have asked myself some of those questions already. I like the app but I'm not 100% sure I would purchase it yet even if it wasn't in beta. It's going to need to be more polished before I can make that decision so hopefully any comments I make are useful in getting it there.
I would like it to function as close to the regular RB app but with a 3D view. Extra 3D functions are great but you want the 3d view to be useful and not just eye candy or the novelty will soon wear off or never capture the customers interest enough to make a purchase if you were offering a trial as one example. One thing that would move towards that idea would be having radar rings on the 3d map.
The 3D softaware has to be as good as the 2D, if not better to get the customers interest.
I think also the one off payment of £89.95 may put some people off, may help if you could split the payment up , say three payments, one every month.
Andy
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Noticed a little system slowdown after running with the network connected for a while. I was actually trying to watch a local aircraft at the time but the 3D screen was very slow too...
(http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/3576/20091128205717.jpg)
turning off the network and things returned to more normal CPU/memory usage ant the system became responsive again.
When the network is enabled and there are a lot of flights on the network, a lot of processing needs to be done for the 3D app. If you change 3D settings to 'minimum' with network enabled, it should run very smooth even with 1000+ flights being tracked (we've been testing this on all kinds of hardware including netbook type hardware (Intel Atom with 1GB ram) and it runs for days). If the setting is at 'maximum' and there are lots of flights, there are a LOT of 3D models trying to load into Google Earth which will tank performance on even some of the better PC's. Our dilemma here is whether to automatically reduce performance to 'medium' or 'minimum' when network is selected or just keep what the user has selected. My impression is that the user should have full control of this and adjust settings themselves accordingly until they find a good balance. What do you think? Should we automatically change these settings to optimize performance to prevent sluggishness?
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One thing that would move towards that idea would be having radar rings on the 3d map.
With a user selectable on/off button - same as the 2D map.
A previous suggestion of mine was a 3D polar/height diagram as well.
In the 2D map, the radar rings move around as you pan the map around with the center always located at the middle of the map. I'm having a hard time trying to visualize how to implement this in the 3D viewport. Any ideas what it would look like? Would it be located flat on the earth surface and be synced up with the 2D map centerpoint? Or would each aircraft get a radar ring? If you have any ideas what you would like to see, please give us as much detail as possible so we can try implementing this. It sounds like it would be very cool.
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My impression is that the user should have full control of this and adjust settings themselves accordingly until they find a good balance. What do you think?
I agree with the user control philosophy, and my suggestion would be a 2 fold approach (depending on practicality).
1) a user option in preferences to select medium/minimum when network traffic is selected (turned off by default).
2) an option to discard network traffic further than xxx (user selectable) NM from the current centre of the 3d map, with perhaps a default value of 50-100NM set and enabled by default.
I actually like the current design where less detail is displayed as the aircraft are further away, and perhaps this can simply be extended along the lines suggested above....
All options should be saved & restored (remembered) across restarts of RB :)
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Just a little light relief - saw an interesting phenomenon this morning, seems the aircraft was transmitting bogus ADS-B info, and was all over the place, but the resulting 3D graph was interesting :)
(http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/3779/wtf4w.jpg) (http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/3779/wtf4w.jpg)
(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/5227/wtf3v.jpg) (http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/5227/wtf3v.jpg)
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Hi Everyone
I just returned from a business trip. While I was gone I left Radarbox 3D running and all seems fine except MyLog screen has frozen. I have not shut down the software yet so I don't know if I will lose my contacts from the last 48 hours. There does not seem to have been any strain on my operating system while I was gone but then again I did not put any demands on the 3D software either. Looking forward the the new exe.
Paul@cyyb
Note: after shutting down and re-starting it ended up that I did not lose my contacts.
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We're working on fixing these issues that you all have pointed out so far. Stay tuned for a new exe soon. Thanks for all of your testing.
So far there are is a lot great feedback regarding bugs and oddness in the app (which is great--we need this), but what in general do you think about the app? Do you like it so far? Would you continue to use it after the beta? What would you most like changed or added to the 3D part? General comments or suggestions like this help very much since you guys are the target audience for this. Any feedback is greatly appreciated!
It's too early for me to tell if I would invest in the upgrade to 3D or not. I'll save my judgement as the newer exe's come out I see how performance improves. At this stage I would say it is nice but I'm just not sure if it warrants the extra cost. But hey...I said I would never use theReal-Time network and it was only a week after my trial ran out that I realized I couldn't live without it! Stay tuned.
Paul@cyyb
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In the pop-up box the image is sometimes different then the image my All Photos folder. When the new image is shown in the pop-up is it being downloaded and stored somewhere?
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_apPKzN_-qUQ/SxXjeCJBuAI/AAAAAAAAAZE/svG9ZXu8g60/s400/Pop%20Up%20Box%201.jpg)
Now my second question....would it be possible to make the pop-up box editable where the user could tick a box to show a 'Seen' or 'Heard' icon within it?
Paul@cyyb
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pjm: not all liveries all included (it would be impossible). Anyway if you make a list of major liveries that should appear and aren't let us know. Maybe we can choose 50 liveries that should be there.
I have a list of a some I've made over the last few days (below). I've noticed quite a few times no livery is displayed until an entry appears in the "Airline" field of the text display, this despite there almost always being a valid entry in the "company" field. This is nota hard and fast rule though as I've also seen many liveries without an entry in the "Airline" field.
(http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/7473/20091202191337.jpg)
Also sometimes I've noticed its very hard to distinguish between grey and white bodies, luckily with the exception of the Japan Airlines I have screenshots, so I'll leave it up to you to decide, but I'll sort them here by what I think is models & liveries.
Missing models (grey body)
Aerolineas Argentinas A342
Australian Airforce B73B
Emirates B77W
Jetstar A321
MAS/MASkargo B742
QantasLink DH8C
Pacific Blue B738
Virgin blue B738
virgin B738 - some only - see previous post
LAN A343
Missing Livery (white body)
* Note sometimes liveries will appear after a while when then "Airline" field is populated
Air Austral B772
Aircalin (Air Caledonie International) A332
Air Canada - B772
Air China A332
Air Vanuatu B738
Ethiad A346
Garuda Indonesia A332
Jetstar A320
MAS B744
Qantas B738
Qantas B762
Qantas A332
Qantas B744
Singapore Air Cargo B744
Pacific Blue B738
Japan Airlines B772
Air Niugini B752
screenshots here: http://www.petermcgrath.info/AirNav/missing.zip
I shall update this list if I notice anything of interest over the next few days - especially on the weekend, where we may get a few more international flights from "exotic" places :)
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In the pop-up box the image is sometimes different then the image my All Photos folder. When the new image is shown in the pop-up is it being downloaded and stored somewhere?
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_apPKzN_-qUQ/SxXjeCJBuAI/AAAAAAAAAZE/svG9ZXu8g60/s400/Pop%20Up%20Box%201.jpg)
Now my second question....would it be possible to make the pop-up box editable where the user could tick a box to show a 'Seen' or 'Heard' icon within it?
Paul@cyyb
Hi Paul,
The photo in the 3D window balloon is loaded directly from the server over the web. It is not saved locally to your PC. Normally it should be the same as the images in the RB interface. We'll double-check why they are not always the same.
Would the tick box you mention prevent that balloon from opening again? Or would it simply close the balloon? In the early beta's we were having a lot of issues with that balloon closing too quickly and not leaving enough time to read it. So we made a few options in the '3D Settings' which allow you to tweak the timeout of the balloon and decide if you do not want them to be shown at all. Another tip to get them to go away faster is to simply move the camera position a tiny bit with your mouse and that will force the bubble to close. So when one opens, just click and drag the 3D view a little bit and it will close. Unfortunately there aren't any options to put form objects (tick box) inside of that balloon and capture the value easily.
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In the 2D map, the radar rings move around as you pan the map around with the center always located at the middle of the map. I'm having a hard time trying to visualize how to implement this in the 3D viewport. Any ideas what it would look like? Would it be located flat on the earth surface and be synced up with the 2D map centerpoint? Or would each aircraft get a radar ring? If you have any ideas what you would like to see, please give us as much detail as possible so we can try implementing this. It sounds like it would be very cool.
I have the "draw centred at home location" preference option set, so the radar rings here stay linked to "home" when I move the 2D map around.
As for the the 3D polar/height display, I was thinking something along the lines of a transparent blanket, similar to a terrain map, that floats above the earth, Perhaps colour coded with the respective heights recorded at each location (and invisible - i.e. nothing - where no signal has been received).
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Hi chaps - I've been away for a week, and am now using V4. I've had a quick scan through this thread, and, without wanting to bore folk with repetition, I'll just mention a few things that strike me.
- I can't get the 3D prefs tab either
- I can't find a way of getting to Home - toolbar is greyed and F6 doesn't work
- On startup in 3D mode there's no 3D Map menu option and no Split View button
- I'm currently watching a Ryanair B738 showing an A320 model! Does the InfoBox not use any data from Navdata.db3? The airline, reg, etc are missing from the box when they are being fully displayed in the grid.
- We still don't seem to have a BAE146 model
- I'm really pleased that we can move the 3D toolbar - please do this for the others!
- I don't understand why bandwidth is being used downloading photos from the server when we often have perfectly good photos on our own computers
Looking forward to the next exe!
Rod
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Hi chaps - I've been away for a week, and am now using V4. I've had a quick scan through this thread, and, without wanting to bore folk with repetition, I'll just mention a few things that strike me.
- I can't get the 3D prefs tab either
- I can't find a way of getting to Home - toolbar is greyed and F6 doesn't work
- On startup in 3D mode there's no 3D Map menu option and no Split View button
- I'm currently watching a Ryanair B738 showing an A320 model! Does the InfoBox not use any data from Navdata.db3? The airline, reg, etc are missing from the box when they are being fully displayed in the grid.
- We still don't seem to have a BAE146 model
- I'm really pleased that we can move the 3D toolbar - please do this for the others!
- I don't understand why bandwidth is being used downloading photos from the server when we often have perfectly good photos on our own computers
Looking forward to the next exe!
Rod
Hi Rod,
- The 3D Settings tab and the 3D View drop-down issue is now fixed (I'm getting a new .exe together right now to post to this thread which will fix this problem along with a few other items).
- The disabling of the 'home' button (along with others) has been fixed in the new exe. The app was disabling these when the 2D map closed (which now that a 3D view uses them, it will keep them open if a 3D window exists).
- The gray A320 is the 'default' aircraft. When the 3D view builds it's view, if it doesn't know what to show at the time of rendering, it will show this 'default' model. The way that RB works is that it looks in its internal DB for aircraft information, if it doesn't find the info, it queues a web request to get this info. So we use the default since we don't know at render time. We're working on modifying this logic to work better with the 3D (hopefully this can be done prior to the first release, but it may not be). This one is on the list of major items we're working on.
- Still working on the BAE146 (along with about a 6-12 others). These should be included in the final installer.
- Regarding the movable toolbar, we'll pass that along to the 2D RB developers and see what they can do to incorporate them into the other parts of the app.
- The reason that the 3D uses the web to download a photo is due to the fact that it's being displayed in an embedded webpage. The 3D view you are seeing is actually a webpage located on airnavsystems.com and it's embedded in the app. This is due to how the Google Earth plug-in works and part of their TOS requirements. When a balloon is displayed, it is currently just calling an image URL which provides the thumbnail. Not all images are already stored locally, so if we change it to only look locally, then any image that isn't already pre-downloaded on your machine will show up as a broken image (ugly red-x). The main RB interface uses a great pre-loading algorithm to queue to download and show when the image arrives. Unfortunately with Google Earth, we can't program such advanced logic to queue an image if it doesn't exist locally. I'll discuss this with others on the team and see if we can come up with some clever tricks to use local if we indeed have them already since bandwidth is understandably important for some users.
Stay tuned for a new .exe later tonight.
Thanks for your great input!
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All,
Here is a link to a new .exe. NOTE -- this is not an installer, only a replacement exe for the main application. You need to unzip the file and overwrite your existing ANRB.exe in the location you installed the beta. Let us know if you have a problem doing this.
http://www.airnavsystems.com/cgi-bin/ANRB_3D/ANRB.zip
This exe is not a final version, however it addresses several of the latest major problems, plus it adds a new beta-logging feature that will log error/warning messages into a log file that you can zip up and email us to help us track down the specific errors. The new log file that gets created is named beta_log.txt and it will be saved in your application directory. So if you find issues, please post the issue to the forum and then email me ([email protected]) the zipped debug_log.txt. This will help out a ton! Thanks again.
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Here is a link to a new .exe
Ouch... Preferences window fell under main window almost immediately...
All I had down, was
- the "restore down, move to top main, stretch across 2 monitors" dance.
- turned on split view and adjusted the window sizes
- selected a 3D aircraft & view
- went into preferences.
will try to replicate...
fwiw the zipped exe seems to be a good way to distribute them. After extracting, I have on my system a software date/time which probably reflects when it was built, rather than the date it was downloaded to my computer. i.e. 2009/12/10 18:35
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App does not close down. only minimises to taskbar, and must be killed in task manager.
Welcome screen returns at every restart.
Duplicated preferences window falling under - similar steps to above, but this time happened after selecting a second aircraft in the 3D window, which happened to be the Australian Airforce B73B with no model/livery. This was the first one I selected last time.
Attached beta log - fwiw...
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Attached beta log - fwiw...
Thanks for the log. Investigating now... (wasn't able to duplicate the fall-behind here yet)
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AirNav 3D Dev
Would it be possible to post a list somewhere of the bugs we have reported and that you are working on. One that can be updated so we can see when they are killed. I know I've reported quite a few, and when either the exe is updated, or the geplugin, I'd like to know whether I should be reporting old bugs again, or just hope they are still on the to do list.
e.g. the invalid starting points, and random height anomalies still exist, but I don't know if they should....
(http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/9687/20091203143621.jpg) (http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/9687/20091203143621.jpg)
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AirNav 3D Dev
Would it be possible to post a list somewhere of the bugs we have reported and that you are working on. One that can be updated so we can see when they are killed. I know I've reported quite a few, and when either the exe is updated, or the geplugin, I'd like to know whether I should be reporting old bugs again, or just hope they are still on the to do list.
e.g. the invalid starting points, and random height anomalies still exist, but I don't know if they should....
Hi Peter,
The list of working items is not public at the moment. I can assure you that this random trail point issue is still being worked on. The latest exe didn't include anything addressing that issue as you obviously noticed. However, if you can provide us with the flight number of these specific flights plus the debug_log.txt, it will very much help us in testing and eliminating the trail problem. If we can provide a list of working bugs, we will try and do so soon. Thanks again for all of your posts, every one is very valuable in helping us with the final app.
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I don't know how many times old bugs are going to be re-introduced into the app but after double-clicking the RB icon but then choosing to Cancel instead of Start it appears to wipe out all of my Alert settings??
This is not specific to the 3D version but should be directed towards the 2D team I believe...
As I used to come across the problem in the past I took to keeping all of my Alerts in a text file so it would be easy to cut & paste the details back so it doesn't cause me so much grief as it used to.
It is annoying though...
Also the Vertical Tracking View and Trail Lines are reselected and the Map window seems to be larger than normal also as I can only see the MyFlights & Network tabs without scrolling across...may be more but it looks like it restores the default settings?
Irrespective of whether you elect to Start or Cancel ANRB should honour the users previous preferences IMHO.
Thanks & regards,
-=Glyn=-
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Regarding the latest 3D version;
Still no 3D tab visible in Preferences
Preferences window still has scroll bars in the bottom where the Apply, OK, Cancel & Help buttons are despite plenty of screen real-estate
3D View Manu item initially not visible - after switching to 2D View it appears!??
When it does appear selecting 3D View still opens up the Preferences window on the General tab
3D Map View still does not show aircraft in my vicinity despite them appearing in 2D View
When switching to 2D Map it still opens up in less than half the width of the available space
When switching back to 3D View all map details have disappeared leaving a plain grey/brown background. No amount of zooming in & out or reloading the Plug-In will change it
Sometimes radar-rings will appear for my Home location and sometimes what looks like a reload or repeat icon appears
Clicking on an aircraft icon in the 3D view pops open the info box but sometimes so briefly it is not long enough to read before it closes again
Also when building a new .exe would it be possible to put the revision or build details in the title bar please?
At least I could see at a glance whether the version has changes as it looks like I am still running the original version! ;^)
Thanks & regards,
-=Glyn=-
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So far there are is a lot great feedback regarding bugs and oddness in the app (which is great--we need this), but what in general do you think about the app? Do you like it so far? Would you continue to use it after the beta? What would you most like changed or added to the 3D part? General comments or suggestions like this help very much since you guys are the target audience for this. Any feedback is greatly appreciated!
I am all for eye-candy...in fact I have purchased games that sport great graphics - and I am not even a games player! Some of them are still shrink-wrapped!!
However for most serious apps such as ANRB & SatNav for example I personally much prefer the 2D view.
I understand why 3D is being implemented (competitions announcement of 3D, appeal to new users, generate extra revenue etc.) but I for one would much rather that resources were targeted towards implementing some of the many great user suggestions that have been put forward in the forum to improve the core functionality of the app.
My own preference (apologies to everybody who have heard me harping on about this for over a year) would be for proper dual/multi-monitor awareness & undockable windows so that I am able to open the map on one display and the MyFlights details on another for example.
As it stands to get a decent size map display I have to shrink the interface right down which impacts badly on what details I am able to see.
The ability to order the visible grid columns would also be high on my list also.
Don't get me wrong as I think the 3D view is a great feature to have but for *ME* it would probably only get used when people come to look at the RadarBox as they would initially be impressed I am sure.
And of that generates a sale then I am all for that!
Thanks & kind regards,
-=Glyn=-
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Well I can see 1 tick in the box, in that now double clicking on an aircraft in the text interface highlights it in both 2D & 3D screens when running split screen.
AirNav 3D dev - the debug log seems very small, and whe it fills up all remaining logging is discarded. My last one was started at 3.15pm and stops recording at 3.22pm. It is now 9.30pm and nothing logged for the past 6 hours!
I was going to send you another bug report with log, but there seems no point as the log doesn't cover the desired timeframe.... is this working as designed?
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Hi
With the new "exe"
I sometimes get the welcome screen when starting, but not all the time.
I have know got the 3D View on the menu bar and it is working when clicking on 3D view settings.
When I go to preferences, I know have a tab for 3D view and the "apply & Ok" Buttons now work ok.
Map view only opens up half way, need to fill the map area.
Split view only two thin maps, need to be expanded to fill map area, then when I go back to either map view or 3D view, I just get a small map in the middle.
Still not showing the same amount of a/c in 3D, as there is in 2D.
Andy
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Well I can see 1 tick in the box, in that now double clicking on an aircraft in the text interface highlights it in both 2D & 3D screens when running split screen.
AirNav 3D dev - the debug log seems very small, and whe it fills up all remaining logging is discarded. My last one was started at 3.15pm and stops recording at 3.22pm. It is now 9.30pm and nothing logged for the past 6 hours!
I was going to send you another bug report with log, but there seems no point as the log doesn't cover the desired timeframe.... is this working as designed?
Hi Peter,
Please delete the file (debug_log.txt) completely and restart RB app. This should cause RB to recreate it. I'm not sure why it stopped logging for you. Did you open the log file while the application was running? I've noticed a few times that if I open that file (in notepad or whatever) while RB is running, it sometimes locks the file and RB can no longer get 'write' permission to append anymore data to it. Deleting it will force the logger to recreate the file.
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AirNav
Just noticed weather is not working either.
Andy
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AirNav
Just noticed weather is not working either.
Andy
Weather seems to be unavailable at the moment - running RB 2010 Beta 3.13 rather than the 3D beta.
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Weather working OK again now :-)
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Still not showing the same amount of a/c in 3D, as there is in 2D.
Hi Andy,
Could you provide me with the 'beta_log.txt' that was generated in your application directory? This will help us figure out which aircraft are not loading and why they are not loading. Please zip the file if possible since it might be rather large unzipped.
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AirNav
Just sent
Andy
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AirNav
Just sent
Andy
Thanks Andy -- we received it and are examining it now.
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Weather seems to be unavailable at the moment - running RB 2010 Beta 3.13 rather than the 3D beta.
Weather working OK again now :-)
Thank you
Andy
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Did you open the log file while the application was running? I've noticed a few times that if I open that file (in notepad or whatever) while RB is running, it sometimes locks the file and RB can no longer get 'write' permission to append anymore data to it. Deleting it will force the logger to recreate the file.
No doubt that is exactly what I did, notepad is my friend :)
I'll have to stop being no nosy while RB is writing to the file!
Thanks AirNav 3D Dev
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Regarding the latest 3D version;
Still no 3D tab visible in Preferences
Preferences window still has scroll bars in the bottom where the Apply, OK, Cancel & Help buttons are despite plenty of screen real-estate
3D View Manu item initially not visible - after switching to 2D View it appears!??
When it does appear selecting 3D View still opens up the Preferences window on the General tab
3D Map View still does not show aircraft in my vicinity despite them appearing in 2D View
When switching to 2D Map it still opens up in less than half the width of the available space
When switching back to 3D View all map details have disappeared leaving a plain grey/brown background. No amount of zooming in & out or reloading the Plug-In will change it
Sometimes radar-rings will appear for my Home location and sometimes what looks like a reload or repeat icon appears
Clicking on an aircraft icon in the 3D view pops open the info box but sometimes so briefly it is not long enough to read before it closes again
Also when building a new .exe would it be possible to put the revision or build details in the title bar please?
At least I could see at a glance whether the version has changes as it looks like I am still running the original version! ;^)
Thanks & regards,
-=Glyn=-
Hi Glyn,
It's interesting that you don't see the '3D View' menu option and '3D Settings' tab with the new .exe. My first thought would be that the previous exe is still being started somehow. Does anyone else still have these missing with the new exe? Your suggestion about showing each build number/version in the title is a good one (it would indeed verify whether you're running the new one or not). I'll look into seeing if can get this changed like you mentioned. Also, if you get a beta_log.txt file in your application directory after starting ANRB, you're running the new version. Please email us that file (please zip it if possible) and we'll use that to help troubleshoot your specific bug finds. Thanks!
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some eye candy for those so interested :)
(http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/3674/20091203075816.jpg) (http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/3674/20091203075816.jpg)
(http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/2947/20091203080641.jpg) (http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/2947/20091203080641.jpg)
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Hi,
- 3D Menu and 3D Preferences now showing
- How is a network 3D flight identified on the map? An example would be the asterisk on the 2D map. Not to say that an asterisk is appropriate for the 3D view, but something is needed.
- Default images needed when aircraft images not found for the pop-up windows when right clicking on aircraft symbols on map.
- If Radar Rings are implemented they for sure should have the option to show the same way as in the 2D view and remain in view no matter what 3D angle your viewing on but they should remain on the surface. Others input or thoughts welcome here.
Regards,
Darryl
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some eye candy for those so interested :)
Your not supposed to be having fun with this :-)
Thanks for sharing!
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ADS-B aircraft not showing up on map. It's in My Flights and you can go to it such as left click in my flights and and select goto aircraft but there is nothing there when you get there.
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ADS-B aircraft not showing up on map. It's in My Flights and you can go to it such as left click in my flights and and select goto aircraft but there is nothing there when you get there.
I've seen similar, but its usually just after it has appeared in the text interface, or just before its about to time out. Seems to be a lag or a lead in the 3D display algorithm.
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Your not supposed to be having fun with this :-)
ooops - I'd better not say how I found this one funny too then
same aircraft going in different directions depending on the view :)
(http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/7327/20091204185414.jpg) (http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/7327/20091204185414.jpg)
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Today my RadarBox stopped working. RB running and I left when I returned I noticed that was not working. He had the blank screen and the manager of the Windows message message "not responding".
Here are the screens with the information. I am sending the log by e-mail.
Nagg
http://radarboxbrasil.blogspot.com/
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Hi,
I have installed the 3D software (first and second exe.). Installed it in a fresh directory. I can see a google-map , but no aircrafts are displayed (myflights and network flights) on the google-map. There are plenty of aircrafts on the grid, but zero on the map. 3D Preferences are set to minimum. When I use a 'normal' 2d map, everything is well displayed. What could be the problem? (Google-plugin has been installed)
Frank
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Hi,
I have installed the 3D software (first and second exe.). Installed it in a fresh directory. I can see a google-map , but no aircrafts are displayed (myflights and network flights) on the google-map. There are plenty of aircrafts on the grid, but zero on the map. 3D Preferences are set to minimum. When I use a 'normal' 2d map, everything is well displayed. What could be the problem? (Google-plugin has been installed)
Frank
Hi Frank -- I just sent you an email regarding some things to try. Let me know if you don't receive it.
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Today my RadarBox stopped working. RB running and I left when I returned I noticed that was not working. He had the blank screen and the manager of the Windows message message "not responding".
Here are the screens with the information. I am sending the log by e-mail.
Nagg
http://radarboxbrasil.blogspot.com/
Hi Nagg,
We're looking at your logs and looking for any ideas. Did your system come out of a screensaver when you returned to the PC?
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Here is a new .exe. Again, you will need to overwrite your old .exe as it's not an installer. This new exe only addresses a few specific items.
1. It should eliminate (hopefully) the lat/long jaggies that occur in the flight trail
2. It should prevent (hopefully) altitude 'humps' in the flight trail
3. It now processes all of the network flights correctly (before it was only showing about 60% at any given time).
If anyone has any free time to try this version and report back on these three specific items, that would be very helpful. We're still adding/fixing/testing a lot of the other items found in the forum thread, but there not ready to include in this build yet.
http://www.airnavsystems.com/cgi-bin/ANRB_3D/ANRBb.zip
Thanks!
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1. It should eliminate (hopefully) the lat/long jaggies that occur in the flight trail
AirNav - does this have the blackhole rectangle fix from v3.11 or is it just a workaround?
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Never mind - I see the blackhole still exists in the latest 3D version. JST630 is shown deep in the blackhole area with v3.13, and nowhere to be seen on the 2D screen in the latest v4.00 (although with the workaround it is showing on the 3D screen) until it exits the blackhole rectangle.
(http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/6231/20091205094317.jpg) (http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/6231/20091205094317.jpg)
(http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/3978/20091205094924.jpg) (http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/3978/20091205094924.jpg)
(http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/172/20091205094955.jpg) (http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/172/20091205094955.jpg)
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1. It should eliminate (hopefully) the lat/long jaggies that occur in the flight trail
AirNav - does this have the blackhole rectangle fix from v3.11 or is it just a workaround?
Hi Peter,
This is a fix in terms of the 3D (if it does indeed solve the problem). I need to discuss with the 2D & GUI dev's regarding the 'blackhole' rectangle and v3.11 more before I can comment on what's going on with that (because I honestly don't know the answer to that question). Are you still getting aircraft in a blackhole rectangle in the 2D side? If so, I will let the Devs know and see if they can get that fixed in this version.
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Testing latest exe...
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some eye candy for those so interested :)
Very cool! Have you tried using the 'pilot view' or 'follow flight' for some of the approaches? You get some great aircraft in your area--thanks for sharing.
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This is a fix in terms of the 3D (if it does indeed solve the problem). I need to discuss with the 2D & GUI dev's regarding the 'blackhole' rectangle and v3.11 more before I can comment on what's going on with that (because I honestly don't know the answer to that question). Are you still getting aircraft in a blackhole rectangle in the 2D side? If so, I will let the Devs know and see if they can get that fixed in this version.
Hi 3D
yes still a problem with the latest build, as you can see in the screenshot. Also the random height spikes are still evident, in the same screenshot (which is handy :) ).
fyi the blackhole rectangle in the previous 2D versions was caused by the same out of bounds longtitude's that are causing the strange off screen spikes in the 3D version, that you noticed in the logs I sent you. The problem was fixed in version 3.11 and later with some changes to the HW data decoder, but apparently this code hasn't made it into the 3D versions (as yet).
(http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/1333/20091205105512.jpg) (http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/1333/20091205105512.jpg)
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Very cool! Have you tried using the 'pilot view' or 'follow flight' for some of the approaches? You get some great aircraft in your area--thanks for sharing.
I have a "follow me" where you can see TGW688 entering the blackhole on the 2D screen and JST767 already in there, where you can see it disappear from the 2D screen while they both continues on their way to YSSY, all the time being visible on the 3D screen, and reappearing on the 2D screen when they exit the blackhole area :)
http://www.petermcgrath.info/AirNav/TGW688_JST767_Video_2009-12-04_213708.wmv
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This is a fix in terms of the 3D (if it does indeed solve the problem). I need to discuss with the 2D & GUI dev's regarding the 'blackhole' rectangle and v3.11 more before I can comment on what's going on with that (because I honestly don't know the answer to that question). Are you still getting aircraft in a blackhole rectangle in the 2D side? If so, I will let the Devs know and see if they can get that fixed in this version.
Hi 3D
yes still a problem with the latest build, as you can see in the screenshot. Also the random height spikes are still evident, in the same screenshot (which is handy :) ).
fyi the blackhole rectangle in the previous 2D versions was caused by the same out of bounds longtitude's that are causing the strange off screen spikes in the 3D version, that you noticed in the logs I sent you. The problem was fixed in version 3.11 and later with some changes to the HW data decoder, but apparently this code hasn't made it into the 3D versions (as yet).
(http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/1333/20091205105512.jpg) (http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/1333/20091205105512.jpg)
Hi Peter,
I just confirmed with the other developers that the HW data decoder module that I'm building with is indeed the old one. We're in the process of getting it merged. Thanks for catching this.
If you can send me the beta_log.txt (if one was created for that screenshot), that would be very helpful. It might be that those height spikes altitude fall within the maximum allowable threshold we've coded.
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If you can send me the beta_log.txt (if one was created for that screenshot), that would be very helpful. It might be that those height spikes altitude fall within the maximum allowable threshold we've coded.
I'll send you what I have, unfortunately ANRB stopped recording it it at around 9.55am and the screenshot is from around 10.55am. Maybe there is something else there you can use...
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Why can not I see all aircraft that are in the 2D screen in 3D screen?
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Hi,
First impression is quite good. A few things though:
1. Custom Legend list is not saved. Each time I have at start up I have to fill in my Home
Location again.
2. Welcomes screen pops up at start up every now and then.
3. Performance: 2d and 3d perform smoothly (2d is a bit 'faster') without Network
connection. With Network connection the system gets a bit sluggish and the whole
application is performing pretty slow. Adjusting the settings helps a bit, but the overall
performance is not as smooth as without the Network connection.
Frank
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Why can not I see all aircraft that are in the 2D screen in 3D screen?
We sent you an email with some suggestions. If you get a chance, please send us any beta_log.txt files you might have collected. This is a high-priority item on our list.
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When an aircraft is taxiing on the runway, the nose of the aircraft is always pointed at the wrong direction. Now it's not an important issue, but is just looks stupid.
Frank
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And here is an aircraft taxiing on the runway at 5800 ft ? , nose in the wrong direction
Frank
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And here is an aircraft taxiing on the runway at 5800 ft ? , nose in the wrong direction
Frank
Hi Frank,
Can you send me your beta_log.txt for that screenshot (if you have it)? It appears that the 5600ft altitude is the value coming from the aircraft (which if this is the case, there's little we can do to fix it since we're just plotting what the aircraft tell us). However, it could be a bug and if that's the case, we can fix it. The beta_log.txt should tell us more info.
In regards to the heading, I have seen a lot of aircraft that either broadcast no heading or always '0' (which might be the case of these taxiing aircraft). We might be able to do some math and calculate the heading, but we may not get time for that for the first release. When you see these incorrect headings, are they always pointing north?
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I will send you a log from yesterday, but I cannot find any entry from this specific aircraft in it.
Your second question: yes, the heading is always pointing north.
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I have just tried this three times and everytime its the same.
Go to preferences/colour settings - click on a colour to change - colour box appears for about 1 sec - then nothing, the whole window freezes.
Andy
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Agreed - same here, but I noticed that I could eventually drag the Prefs window away, and the Colour box was lurking behind it. I could then close it and carry on.
Needs fixing!
Rod
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Hi Rod
Just tried it again and mine is stuck solid in the middle of screen, it will not let me drag it away.
Andy
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Yes - I know the problem - the fact is that my computer's so slow when running 3D that I managed to sneak in before it had remembered that the focus should be on the colour box!
Definitely needs fixing!
Rod
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I have just tried this three times and everytime its the same.
Go to preferences/colour settings - click on a colour to change - colour box appears for about 1 sec - then nothing, the whole window freezes.
Andy
Hi Andy,
Thanks for pointing that one out. I was able to duplicate it and then fix it. This wont happen anymore in the next release. Good catch.
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I have tried to make a screenshot (F3 or File>Screenshot>Save to file...), but in 3D this option does not work. No problem in 2D.
Frank
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Latest Beta Build can be found at the link below. If anyone has some time this weekend to test this version, please let us know if you find any new errors/issues. Note, this is just the .exe and not an installer. No additional liveries or models will be seen with this since it's only the exe. These models/liveries will start showing up when we can release a new installer. If the application freezes or you find any issues, please post the error and email the beta_log.txt or just email me directly ([email protected]). Thanks again for all of your help testing this beta.
http://www.airnavsystems.com/cgi-bin/ANRB_3D/ANRB.zip
(update - the original url I posted was wrong. This one (above) should now work)
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If anyone tracks a JetBlue aircraft with Hardware (i.e. not via the network), could you please let me know whether you had any problems tracking it. I have found on occasion that I have seen strange behavior (not every time however) in the 3D when a JetBlue begins tracking. I'd like to see if anyone else has any issues.
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Finish installing the new EXE and found that the following problems remain:
1)Preferences window still be hidden, you can not access it.
2)Output Window of the Program, is also hidden.
Plus point:
1)I realized that more aircraft of the network are shown in the 3D screen.
I will continue to test and inform you when new.
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Program just freezes. Have tried it a couple of times to start. The Welcome screen still comes up....Ctrl+Alt=Del was the only option to stop the app. Os=Windows 7 64bit NL. Have sent beta-log separetly.
Frank
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I've noticed a couple of random height spikes (low and high ones) as per the screenshot:
(http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/2618/qfa42520091212111218.jpg) (http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/2618/qfa42520091212111218.jpg)
Flight: QFA425
time 11:12am AEST
log file emailed.
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When I move the 3D button cluster from its default position (where it takes up 1 whole line just for itself, which seems a little wasteful of screen space) to the top of the screen, it displaces some of the standard button clusters, and they do not reposition themselves to their correct locations.
Also as can be seen fron the screenshot, the "Split view" button vanishes in the move, but can be restored by pressing the "Map view" button, which makes the "Split view" button reappear.
(http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/8313/20091212103125.jpg) (http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/8313/20091212103125.jpg)
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The blackhole rectangle coverage problem seems to be fixed now - I'm once again getting aircraft in the associated blackholes.
Also the beta log seems to be reliable now, it's not cutting out
Just saw a really weird flightpath as well - log sent
(http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/8426/20091212115029.jpg) (http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/8426/20091212115029.jpg)
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If anyone tracks a JetBlue aircraft with Hardware (i.e. not via the network), could you please let me know whether you had any problems tracking it. I have found on occasion that I have seen strange behavior (not every time however) in the 3D when a JetBlue begins tracking. I'd like to see if anyone else has any issues.
I just got home from work and found my RadarBox 3D had crashed. This hasn't happened before. I haven't yet installed the latest exe but I did track two JetBlue (ADS-B) today and one has just registered (non ADS-B) right now. All three were with the hardware. Does this help? I can send log if you need it.
Paul@cyyb
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I've been running the new exe for over an hour and I've noticed a great improvement in performance. Is this due to the new Netwwork Flights setting in Preferences?
As well I just tracked JetBlue 479 (ADS-B) with my hardware and I could not see any problems with it at all. I put it through all the 3D options and it seemed to have passed with flying (pardon the pun) colors.
Paul@cyyb
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The programming of ANRB3D is now with the team that just finished ANRB313 (Andre + Aleksey). We are working on the freezing/crash problems at the moment.
All those users that reported a freeze/crash please send an email to [email protected] with the conditions that caused it to happen (HW flights or NW flights, nr of HW flights, time since app started).
Tks.
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Has anyone else noticed the odd 3D Model pointing in the wrong direction?
e.g. in this screenshot, you can see the aircraft is heading 075 in both the text interface and the 2D screen, and also the trails in the 3D screen, but the model itself is pointing in a totally different direction (I'd guess 320 by the looks of it)
(http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/8021/20091212141741.jpg) (http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/8021/20091212141741.jpg)
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Hi Airnav
I have been running the new "exe" a few hrs know and seems stable (Without Network). The biggest problems for me are -
The welcome screen is still there and the rb does not remember the window postions.
Andy
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OK...got the latest version...thanks.
Observations;
1. 3D map is useless for me...sorry.
I cannot see aircraft on there that I can see on the Map View or am alerted to within a 5-mile radius despite the 3D View being set to a 20 mile radius.
2. Sometimes lines just appear with the aircraft label but no model of the aircraft.
3. The imagery of where I live is not detailed enough and looks ugly! ;^)
4. The zoom function is erratic and difficult to use.
5. When zooming the 3D View I have little idea of the scale unlike the Map View where airports can be seen and Radar Rings work.
6. Clicking the Home button zooms in so far that the Radar rings around my home location are nearly full screen.
7. Clicking the aircraft icon sometimes brings up the details box for less than a second - far too quick to be of any use. On occasions it does obey the timeout box of 10 seconds
7. Hitting F3 does not take the screenshot - is it supposed to?
8. FTP upload stops.
9. Switching to Map View still opens the window in a thin strip taking up about a third of the available space. Even maximising it and then closing the program down gracefully will not make the app remember the next time and so it still opens up the Map view in a tall thin strip.
10. Sometimes exiting the app although it closes the program window still leaves itself in the toolbar and can only be closed with TaskManager.
I could go on but I wouldn't want to sound disrespectful or you 3D guys to get upset with me so I'll shut up for now...
I'm sorry but this 3D thing really isn't for me at all - it's not even eye-candy as I thought it might be although I will say some of the screenshots you guys upload look pretty good...mine are rubbish. :-(
I was going to attach the Beta_log.txt but it is 838MB in size (61MB zipped) for what might amount to less than half an hours use? :-0
No wonder the app is running slow...it's taking all the resources just writing the Beta-log!! ;^)
Kind regards,
-=Glyn=-
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Glyn
Clicking the Home button zooms in so far that the Radar rings around my home location are nearly full screen.
Agree.
Clicking the aircraft icon sometimes brings up the details box for less than a second - far too quick to be of any use. On occasions it does obey the timeout box of 10 seconds
Agree.
FTP upload stops
Agree - Mine is not working at all today.
Switching to Map View still opens the window in a thin strip taking up about a third of the available space. Even maximising it and then closing the program down gracefully will not make the app remember the next time and so it still opens up the Map view in a tall thin strip.
Agree - again
Andy
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Can we have an option to define our own SMTP server to send logs/alerts etc.
There have been a number of instances recently where it would be nice to have this option, including the current problem of daily logs being truncated at 42k, outstanding for about a month now.....
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I've just had another instance in the latest beta where the preferences panel fell behind the main screen and was inaccessible - had to F4 to close it.
Also in pilot view the height line is sometimes being displayed in front of the view while the virtual plane catches up to it. This wasn't apparent in earlier beta's and probably should be turned off while in pilot view. - Example video & screenshot here:
http://www.petermcgrath.info/AirNav/Video_2009-12-13_140447.wmv
(http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/5194/20091213135545.jpg) (http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/5194/20091213135545.jpg)
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I could go on but I wouldn't want to sound disrespectful or you 3D guys to get upset with me so I'll shut up for now...
I'm sorry but this 3D thing really isn't for me at all - it's not even eye-candy as I thought it might be although I will say some of the screenshots you guys upload look pretty good...mine are rubbish. :-(
Hi Glyn
I've also reported a lot of the problems you listed - I'm sure AirNav would rather know about any bugs now than find out about them after the general public have their hands on it, so lets hear all about any others you have :)
3. The imagery of where I live is not detailed enough and looks ugly! ;^)
I'm sorry but this 3D thing really isn't for me at all - it's not even eye-candy as I thought it might be although I will say some of the screenshots you guys upload look pretty good...mine are rubbish. :-(
haha - sorry, we can't help where you live :) (joking!)
To be fair I had a look at your location via the network and the google earth terrain is quite detailed, the problem seems to be most aircraft are flying high above you, so you never get to see the detail.
Where I am, typically the aircraft will be on approach to Sydney airport so when I'm capturing screenshots they will be more detailed, because I'm closer to the ground, sometimes almost down to ground zero.
The other thing I noticed about you location is that there are SO MANY aircraft in the sky - ANRB does run a lot slower because there is so much more to display. Not sure how much extra delay is caused by processing network traffic at this end, I normally have the network off, but it didn't seem to make a lot of difference in Chile where there were only a few aircraft on display...
fyi - I did capture a couple of screenshots of your location, are these similar to what you are seeing??
(http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/1907/20091213195533.jpg) (http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/1907/20091213195533.jpg)
(http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/8787/20091213195758.jpg) (http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/8787/20091213195758.jpg)
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I also have the problem of the height line going ahead of the aircraft in pilot view, but please don't turn it off - I was in a Jet2 B733 in the hold over Blackpool only two nights ago (due to fog), and it was good to see us chasing our own trail.
Rod
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but please don't turn it off - I was in a Jet2 B733 in the hold over Blackpool only two nights ago (due to fog), and it was good to see us chasing our own trail.
Kinda defeats the purpose of "pilot view" doesn't it?, Maybe you need a "Pilot view with fog lights" :)
You can use "follow aircraft" if you want the trails displayed as well...
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6. Clicking the Home button zooms in so far that the Radar rings around my home location are nearly full screen.
Does setting the "Looking down From" 3D option to a larger value (like 40000 or 50000) help?
(http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/9426/20091213223126.jpg)
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6. Clicking the Home button zooms in so far that the Radar rings around my home location are nearly full screen.
Does setting the "Looking down From" 3D option to a larger value (like 40000 or 50000) help?
(http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/9426/20091213223126.jpg)
pjm is correct. You should try modifying the "Home View: Looking down from" value. The reason it's so big now is to make it more visible after you zoom out and start tracking aircraft. There have been suggestion that the symbol is too small.
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I also have the problem of the height line going ahead of the aircraft in pilot view, but please don't turn it off - I was in a Jet2 B733 in the hold over Blackpool only two nights ago (due to fog), and it was good to see us chasing our own trail.
Rod
I think that if we only disable showing the last few most recent points in the trail, it should solve both problems. 1. it will prevent the end of the line becoming visible and 2. it will keep the path visible so you can see your own trail if in a holding pattern. Sound ok?
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I've just had another instance in the latest beta where the preferences panel fell behind the main screen and was inaccessible - had to F4 to close it.
Also in pilot view the height line is sometimes being displayed in front of the view while the virtual plane catches up to it. This wasn't apparent in earlier beta's and probably should be turned off while in pilot view. - Example video & screenshot here:
http://www.petermcgrath.info/AirNav/Video_2009-12-13_140447.wmv
(http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/5194/20091213135545.jpg) (http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/5194/20091213135545.jpg)
Hi pjm,
The GUI developers are now hard at work fixing these GUI problems. They will fix this bug.
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OK...got the latest version...thanks.
Observations;
1. 3D map is useless for me...sorry.
I cannot see aircraft on there that I can see on the Map View or am alerted to within a 5-mile radius despite the 3D View being set to a 20 mile radius.
2. Sometimes lines just appear with the aircraft label but no model of the aircraft.
3. The imagery of where I live is not detailed enough and looks ugly! ;^)
4. The zoom function is erratic and difficult to use.
5. When zooming the 3D View I have little idea of the scale unlike the Map View where airports can be seen and Radar Rings work.
6. Clicking the Home button zooms in so far that the Radar rings around my home location are nearly full screen.
7. Clicking the aircraft icon sometimes brings up the details box for less than a second - far too quick to be of any use. On occasions it does obey the timeout box of 10 seconds
7. Hitting F3 does not take the screenshot - is it supposed to?
8. FTP upload stops.
9. Switching to Map View still opens the window in a thin strip taking up about a third of the available space. Even maximising it and then closing the program down gracefully will not make the app remember the next time and so it still opens up the Map view in a tall thin strip.
10. Sometimes exiting the app although it closes the program window still leaves itself in the toolbar and can only be closed with TaskManager.
I could go on but I wouldn't want to sound disrespectful or you 3D guys to get upset with me so I'll shut up for now...
I'm sorry but this 3D thing really isn't for me at all - it's not even eye-candy as I thought it might be although I will say some of the screenshots you guys upload look pretty good...mine are rubbish. :-(
I was going to attach the Beta_log.txt but it is 838MB in size (61MB zipped) for what might amount to less than half an hours use? :-0
No wonder the app is running slow...it's taking all the resources just writing the Beta-log!! ;^)
Kind regards,
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Glyn, something is definitely wrong in your case. Is there any chance I could a copy of this log? Could you post it online either here on the forum or to a file upload site (like drop.io) for us to get? It should not get this big. I apologize for this not working for you. I understand your frustration and we want to get this fixed asap.
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Hi Airnav
I have been running the new "exe" a few hrs know and seems stable (Without Network). The biggest problems for me are -
The welcome screen is still there and the rb does not remember the window postions.
Andy
Hi Andy,
The GUI devs are now working on this and the other GUI related issues (preferences falling behind and settings getting lost etc..). This will be fixed soon.
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Has anyone else noticed the odd 3D Model pointing in the wrong direction?
e.g. in this screenshot, you can see the aircraft is heading 075 in both the text interface and the 2D screen, and also the trails in the 3D screen, but the model itself is pointing in a totally different direction (I'd guess 320 by the looks of it)
(http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/8021/20091212141741.jpg) (http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/8021/20091212141741.jpg)
Looking into this one now... Thanks for the great screenshot of the problem.
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I think that if we only disable showing the last few most recent points in the trail, it should solve both problems. 1. it will prevent the end of the line becoming visible and 2. it will keep the path visible so you can see your own trail if in a holding pattern. Sound ok?
Sounds good to me - I think I might have misinterpreted Rod's earlier response, but now I understand what he was getting at...
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Does anyone of the Betatesters use the McAfee Internet Security 2010 program in combination with the last Beta? I had to close this program because it caused the Beta to freeze cq. crash. Maybe someone has experienced such behaviour with this or another Virus/Internet security program. I have never had any trouble with this McAfee program before (been using it for 4 or 5 years now)...until this Beta came along
Regards, Frank
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Does anyone of the Betatesters use the McAfee Internet Security 2010 program in combination with the last Beta? I had to close this program because it caused the Beta to freeze cq. crash. Maybe someone has experienced such behaviour with this or another Virus/Internet security program. I have never had any trouble with this McAfee program before (been using it for 4 or 5 years now)...until this Beta came along
Regards, Frank
Hi Frank,
This is an interesting new issue. The 3D does open up a new port that the previous application never used (port 7895) in order for the Google Earth plug-in to load the models and textures for the 3D view. Perhaps you can add port 7895 to the "allowed" or "trusted" port list in McAfee and then re-enable McAfee. That should hopefully fix the problem. Let us know what happens. Thanks for pointing this out.
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Added this port. Changed some other McAfee settings. Problem fixed.
Edit:
Actually adding this 7895 port to the allowed list of ports did not make much difference. I had to change the way McAfee is doing the 'Real-Time' scanning. Changing the 'Real-Time' scan option from 'All files' into 'Just scan program files and Documents' did the 'Trick'. Never seen this before....
Regards, Frank
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That undocumented google earth interface on port 7895 is interesting, if not a bit buggy!
The aircraft are located half way up the height bar, but you still need to click at the top of the bar to zoom to the aircraft.
Also annoying that it keeps zooming back to a top down view around 700klms high every "refresh" ignore that - user error - I had checked the "fly to view on refresh" box!
The detail on the earth is a lot higher than the plugin tho.....
Not a great video, but you can see what I mean here:
http://www.petermcgrath.info/AirNav/Video_2009-12-18_181929.wmv
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Interesting watching Google Earth AND the ANRB GE Plugin displaying a similar thing at the same time :)
(http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/3175/20091218192803.jpg) (http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/3175/20091218192803.jpg)
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The aircraft are located half way up the height bar, but you still need to click at the top of the bar to zoom to the aircraft.
Seems the Placemark "Altitude" attribute/field for each aircraft needs to be set to "relative to ground" or "relative to sea floor" (or possibly even "absolute" depending on which height is the correct one) to fix this bug. ANRB3D appears to be setting it to "mixed mode" and that is causing the display error.
(http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/7793/20091218220254.jpg) (http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/7793/20091218220254.jpg)
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the difference between Sydney and London :)
well maybe 60nm out of Sydney, but I really like the extra terrain features using GE directly!
(http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/6489/20091219115831.jpg) (http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/6489/20091219115831.jpg)
(http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/4126/20091219182904.jpg) (http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/4126/20091219182904.jpg)
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That undocumented google earth interface on port 7895 is interesting, if not a bit buggy!
The aircraft are located half way up the height bar, but you still need to click at the top of the bar to zoom to the aircraft.
Also annoying that it keeps zooming back to a top down view around 700klms high every "refresh" ignore that - user error - I had checked the "fly to view on refresh" box!
The detail on the earth is a lot higher than the plugin tho.....
Not a great video, but you can see what I mean here:
http://www.petermcgrath.info/AirNav/Video_2009-12-18_181929.wmv
That's interesting. I haven't noticed this happening here yet. Do you have "Elevation Exaggeration" set to '1' in your Google Earth settings?
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That's interesting. I haven't noticed this happening here yet. Do you have "Elevation Exaggeration" set to '1' in your Google Earth settings?
I have "Elevation Exaggeration" set to '3' here, which makes the terrain more realistic.
The problem I noticed is that the different properties have different settings which makes them appear at different heights.
e.g. the path/trails have the "Altitude" set to "absolute"
while the model has the "Altitude" set to something different (it appears as "mixed modes" but that doesn't seem to be a "defined" option).
If all the attributes used the same value, then everything (models/trails etc) appear at the same height. The "relative" fields seem to give the most realistic looking positions.
(http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/3534/20091220145744.jpg)
(http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/5821/20091220145703.jpg)
(http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/5586/20091220145836.jpg)
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I have "Elevation Exaggeration" set to '3' here, which makes the terrain more realistic.
Just by way of comparison I manually edited the model and the last trails here to all use the "Relative to ground" Altitude attribute. The first screen shot shows the effect with "Elevation Exaggeration" set to '3' and the second screen shot hows the effect with "Elevation Exaggeration" set to '1'. As you can see in the second screenshot the displayed height difference is practically nothing.
(http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/3606/20091220153343.jpg) (http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/3606/20091220153343.jpg)
(http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/2456/20091220153409.jpg) (http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/2456/20091220153409.jpg)
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Topic closed as V4.01 Beta is being released to all the beta testers.