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Title: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: AirNav Development on November 17, 2009, 01:14:15 AM
We have V3.1 fully available for download now.
This intends to be a non-beta version (we want to release it to the public this week).

Changes:
- Application name changed to "AirNav RadarBox 2010 3.1"
- Real-time 30003 Output port for everyone

Download the full installation from:
(pls do install it and test it, not only testing the exe):
http://www.airnavsystems.com/download/anrb/ANRB310Setup.exe

Upgrade (from V2.xx or V3.xx to V3.1):
http://www.airnavsystems.com/download/anrb/ANRBUpgradeto310.exe
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: pjm on November 17, 2009, 05:09:45 AM
ARRrrr! I downloaded 3.09 earlier and just got home and installed it.

fwiw - I'm still getting the ACARS error when I try to connect more than once.

(http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/1099/20091117160225.jpg)

shall download 3.1 and try again.....

Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: pjm on November 17, 2009, 05:41:29 AM
ok - no surprise I guess, the ACARS connect error is still there....
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: tarbat on November 17, 2009, 09:57:26 AM
All running okay here.   Real-time aircraft displaying in Planeplotter and MilModeSLogger okay.
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: Allocator on November 17, 2009, 10:05:42 AM
Only had a very short time to download and install this before I left for work this morning.  Install to new clean directory was straightforward and the program ran as advertised.  Copied my Outline and Color files from the old directory to the new one, otherwise I'm running a 100% as downloaded V3.09.

I'll look at this version in more detail tonight.
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: tarbat on November 17, 2009, 10:08:17 AM
There is a problem with the port 30003 output.  The date/timestamps are wrong.

MSG,3,0,0,400F0B,0,2009/11/17,10:06:18.056,2009/11/17,10:11:18.056,,39000,,,54.7512,-3.9470,,,,,,

The first date/time is correct, but the second one is 5 minutes in the future.
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: Allocator on November 17, 2009, 01:37:49 PM
tarbat, are you seeing any Flight ID's coming through port 30003?

I'm displaying the RB OK in Planeplotter, but not getting any Flight ID's even with the appropriate PP options box ticked.
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: tarbat on November 17, 2009, 01:47:04 PM
I'm seeing Flight IDs okay in Planerplotter.

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2773/4112341374_fb318af612_o.jpg)

Make sure you've ticked "SBS1 / RBv3 tcp" as input.
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: AirNav Development on November 17, 2009, 01:47:22 PM
We have made the required changes for port 30003 to be real-time so it is possible we have minor problems with it. Pls try to analyze it in detail today and we will correct everything at around 9 PM BST.
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: GlynH on November 17, 2009, 01:55:20 PM
Just installed the complete 2010 into a new directory so its early days yet...

I will ignore the sleepy pointer issue all over the menus as I seem to be the only one in the World who suffers from this but I do see another age-old problem of the Map Menu General Signs settings not mirroring the Quick Launch Map Settings again.

For example Map/General Signs/States defaults to showing all of these highlighted and a quick look at the Quick launch Map icon shows them all highlighted also.

However if I deselect States for example via the Quick Launch Map icon the now deselected change is not reflected if I access the same settings from the Map Menu/General Settings/States.

In fact it takes me two tries to deselect this option from the Menu and once selected again this change does not show when I access the Quick Launch Map icon where one click will turn it back on there but not when I look via the Map Menu.

This also seems to affect everything in the General Signs menu such as Highways/Interstates, Major Roads, Regional Roads, County Boundaries, Urban Areas, Cities, Elevation/Sea Depth but not Day/Night Shadow.

It does not seem to affect the entries in the Aviation Signs Menu for example...just General Signs.

Anyone else seen this?

This always seems to creep back in when a new revision is released and makes me wonder what else may be finding its way back in also?

Regards,
-=Glyn=-
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: GlynH on November 17, 2009, 02:17:35 PM
Quote from: pjm on November 17, 2009, 05:09:45 AM
ARRrrr! I downloaded 3.09 earlier and just got home and installed it.

fwiw - I'm still getting the ACARS error when I try to connect more than once.

(http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/1099/20091117160225.jpg)

shall download 3.1 and try again.....



I have never seen this problem here on any version of ANRB although that's not to say I have tried them all!

I can run ANRB, then run WiNRADiO, then run ANAD and watch the messages come in.

I then go into my already running ANRB and tick the Connect to ACARS Decoder box and the received messages start to come into ANRB..

I do however have other issues with ANAD but this is not the time or place...

I know that might be of little consolation to you...

Kind regards,
-=Glyn=-
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: Allocator on November 17, 2009, 02:36:36 PM
Quote from: tarbat on November 17, 2009, 01:47:04 PM
I'm seeing Flight IDs okay in Planerplotter.

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2773/4112341374_fb318af612_o.jpg)

Make sure you've ticked "SBS1 / RBv3 tcp" as input.

Thanks tarbat - only had a quick look at this at lunchtime so it's probably a 'switch pigs' on my part.  I'll have more time to play tonight.
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: tarbat on November 17, 2009, 03:13:00 PM
Quote from: GlynH on November 17, 2009, 01:55:20 PM
Anyone else seen this?

Glyn, I'm seeing exactly the same issue here as well with the map icons.  Not a showstopper in my book, but it is worrying when old bugs re-appear in a new version.
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: abrad41 on November 17, 2009, 07:01:22 PM
Hi

Seems to be running ok this end, tarbat/Allocator can you see my flight ID in planeplotter = Norfolk area, share code gX

Thanks

Andy
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: Allocator on November 17, 2009, 07:30:48 PM
I can see jk and ay but not gx
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: abrad41 on November 17, 2009, 07:34:11 PM
Allocator

Its gX, it is showing on the user-share map

EDIT - around the Norwich/Yarmouth area


Andy
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: Allocator on November 17, 2009, 07:36:18 PM
Sorry Andy, not seen.

I've looked at all the tracks in your area, and I can't see gX

I seem to be sharing as el - that KLM1290 is one of mine.
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: abrad41 on November 17, 2009, 07:45:51 PM
Allocator

Yes I see yours, but when it was going over North Norfolk, it had changed to mine.

I will see if one of the planeplotter boys can see my a/c.

Thanks Mate

Andy
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: Allocator on November 17, 2009, 07:49:34 PM
You do have PP Options>Sharing set to ENABLE do you?

Also, do you have the sharing button on the toobar selected so that it is showing the arrows pointing in both directions?
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: abrad41 on November 17, 2009, 07:51:32 PM
Allocator

Spot on mate, everything correct here.

Andy
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: Allocator on November 17, 2009, 07:53:39 PM
I am getting pretty stunning antenna coverage today, particularly out to the north and north-east of London, so maybe my live coverage is taking priority over your shared data?  There isn't too much traffic out your way and it's all high level.
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: abrad41 on November 17, 2009, 07:55:03 PM
Allocator

Just changed setting in I/O to SBS1/RBv3 tcp as Chris mentioned earlier.

Might make a difference.

Andy
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: Allocator on November 17, 2009, 08:01:07 PM
Yes, I did that and the Flight ID's appeared - thanks Chris :-)

Can you set the PP sharing code manually now?  I've tried changing it from el but it doesn't seem to stay changed.

Sorry this is drifting off thread AirNav.  If you want to split this post into 'V3.09 and Planeplotter', please feel free.
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: pjm on November 17, 2009, 08:36:34 PM
Quote from: GlynH on November 17, 2009, 02:17:35 PM
I have never seen this problem here on any version of ANRB although that's not to say I have tried them all!

Connection to the ACARS decoder works the first time you connect, but if you disconnect (uncheck the "connect" tick box) and try to reconnect (tick the "connect" check box) you get the message above.

It happens on every version I've tried, and I believe AirNav have replicated the problem.
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: Allocator on November 17, 2009, 08:50:05 PM
Quote from: abrad41 on November 17, 2009, 07:55:03 PM
Allocator

Just changed setting in I/O to SBS1/RBv3 tcp as Chris mentioned earlier.

Might make a difference.

Andy

I see you gX - KLM1499 near OTR :-)
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: abrad41 on November 17, 2009, 09:01:15 PM
Allocator

Thank you

Andy
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: RodBearden on November 17, 2009, 09:07:29 PM
Back to thread ;-)

Do we still need to have 5-minute delayed recording now? I see the message still appears when we start one.

Rod
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: tarbat on November 17, 2009, 09:15:18 PM
I haven't checked, but is port 7879 still 5-min delayed?
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: EI4GXB on November 17, 2009, 11:23:32 PM
Looks 100% so far
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: Falcon on November 18, 2009, 12:44:51 AM
Just installed 3.1 2010 from clean, then migrated databases from 3.08. Everything went well. If anything comes up during operation I'll let you know.
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: AirNav Development on November 18, 2009, 02:19:10 AM
Corrected: ACARS connect/re-connect problem;
Corrected: log File writing now in real-time
Corrected: RB port now in real-time;
Corrected: Wrong Date/Time in 30003 output (5 minutes in the future);
Corrected: Local to Network Transition;
Corrected: Maps popup menus mirroring main menu selections and vice-versa;

New exe at:
http://www.airnavsystems.com/download/anrb/31/anrb.exe

One request: we need this tested ASAP as we do want to release this version to everyone this week.
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: pjm on November 18, 2009, 05:14:06 AM
First impressions....

I've installed the new exe, and first thing I noticed when running it is this error message:

(http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/2506/20091118160153.jpg)

I don't recall seeing this before on any of the exe's.....


MSG,1,0,0,750030,0,2009/11/18,16:07:46.250,2009/11/18,16:07:46.250,MAS122,,,,,,,,,,,
MSG,1,0,0,7C6D22,0,2009/11/18,16:07:46.250,2009/11/18,16:07:46.250,VOZ526,,,,,,,,,,,
MSG,3,0,0,750030,0,2009/11/18,16:07:46.250,2009/11/18,16:07:46.250,,1500,,,-33.9096,151.1672,,,,,,

Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: pjm on November 18, 2009, 05:26:47 AM
Quote from: tarbat on November 17, 2009, 09:15:18 PM
I haven't checked, but is port 7879 still 5-min delayed?

seems to be real time here
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: pjm on November 18, 2009, 05:36:19 AM
Just ran SBS Meter Lite and it is not producing any output with the new version, so there's something in the 30003 feed that it doesn't like.

I'm no expert on the port 30003 data, maybe someone else can comment...

fwiw, the previous (ANRB) version was ok with SBS Meter Lite
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: AirNav Development on November 18, 2009, 05:46:58 AM
We have tested here (now) and it does work with SBS Meter Lite.
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: GlynH on November 18, 2009, 05:55:42 AM
Quote from: pjm on November 18, 2009, 05:14:06 AM
First impressions....

I've installed the new exe, and first thing I noticed when running it is this error message:

(http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/2506/20091118160153.jpg)

I don't recall seeing this before on any of the exe's.....


Hi pjm,

I see that requestor after every new .exe I have ever installed!

I just untick the 'Always ask before opening this file' and never see it again...

Kind regards,
-=Glyn=-

Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: pjm on November 18, 2009, 05:58:04 AM
When I run it here the log files have no data in them (are zero length).

(http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/2007/20091118165541.jpg)

SBS Meter Chart (and wordpad) think they are empty too :)
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: AirNav Development on November 18, 2009, 06:06:25 AM
Tested log files here and they are not empty. The log files you are showing were SBS generated, not RB.
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: pjm on November 18, 2009, 06:09:51 AM
I don't have an SBS, so they definitely came out of the previous ANRB data :)

Very strange as it was working for me until the timestamp change......

Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: AirNav Development on November 18, 2009, 06:11:37 AM
We don't know, maybe we should wait for other beta testers feedback.
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: GlynH on November 18, 2009, 06:18:40 AM
Quote from: AirNav Development on November 18, 2009, 02:19:10 AM
Corrected: Maps popup menus mirroring main menu selections and vice-versa;

Well some of it is corrected....States, County Boundaries etc...thanks.

But just try turning on/off Major Roads or Regional Roads via the Quick Launch area icon and see what happens to the Map/General Signs entry for example...

One thing I never noticed before though is a similar thing happens in the Aviation Signs menu vs. Quick Launch icon area with Hide Small Airports, ATC Boundaries, Airways & ACARS Stations. All other entries seem OK...anyone else see this?

I also dread saying that the return of that damn busy pointer when navigating menus is back with a vengeance <sigh>

Regards,
-=Glyn=-
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: pjm on November 18, 2009, 06:28:04 AM
Quote from: AirNav Development on November 18, 2009, 06:11:37 AM
We don't know, maybe we should wait for other beta testers feedback.

Yes - I've just tried 2 previous ANRB's now and still getting zero length files, so maybe its something I've done here....
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: pjm on November 18, 2009, 06:41:55 AM
Very strange - I have logs from it working yesterday, yet today, nothing...

fwiw I have just downloaded the latest version of SBS Meter (v1.2) and it is working now.... Previously I was using v1.0...
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: tarbat on November 18, 2009, 08:32:42 AM
Quote from: abrad41 on November 17, 2009, 07:01:22 PM
Seems to be running ok this end, tarbat/Allocator can you see my flight ID in planeplotter = Norfolk area, share code gX

Yep, I can currently see 3 aircraft with gX either as the primary sharer, or in the list of other sharers.
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: tarbat on November 18, 2009, 08:40:39 AM
Tested the following, all now corrected:

1. Wrong Date/Time in 30003 output (5 minutes in the future)
Both date/timestamps are the same and correct.

2. Local to Network Transition
Smooth transition from local to network on several aircraft incoming from the US over west Scotland.

3. Log File writing now in real-time
Tested using logfile input to Planeplotter.  Aircraft in Planeplotter show as real-time.

4. RB port now in real-time
Tested using port 7879 input to Planeplotter.  Aircraft in Planeplotter show as real-time.

5. Maps popup menus mirroring main menu selections and vice-versa
Appears to be corrected on the few tests I've done - state and country for example.
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: abrad41 on November 18, 2009, 08:44:23 AM
Thank you Chris

Andy
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: GlynH on November 18, 2009, 10:03:42 AM
Quote from: tarbat on November 18, 2009, 08:40:39 AM
Tested the following, all now corrected:
5. Maps popup menus mirroring main menu selections and vice-versa
Appears to be corrected on the few tests I've done - state and country for example.

Yes those also work for me now but have you tried the Major Roads/Regional Roads in that same menu and Hide Small Airports, ATC Boundaries, Airways & ACARS Stations in the Aviation Signs menu Chris?

Kind regards,
-=Glyn=-
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: abrad41 on November 18, 2009, 10:27:24 AM
Quote
Quote from: tarbat on Today at 08:40:39
Tested the following, all now corrected:
5. Maps popup menus mirroring main menu selections and vice-versa
Appears to be corrected on the few tests I've done - state and country for example.


Yes those also work for me now but have you tried the Major Roads/Regional Roads in that same menu and Hide Small Airports, ATC Boundaries, Airways & ACARS Stations in the Aviation Signs menu Chris?

Kind regards,
-=Glyn=-

I am having no problems here with the above, everything working as it should be.

Andy
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: tarbat on November 18, 2009, 10:33:56 AM
Quote from: GlynH on November 18, 2009, 10:03:42 AM
Yes those also work for me now but have you tried the Major Roads/Regional Roads in that same menu and Hide Small Airports, ATC Boundaries, Airways & ACARS Stations in the Aviation Signs menu Chris?

Sorry, didn't have time to test that before I left home this morning.  I'll test tonight, although I see Andy reports that it's working okay on his setup.
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: abrad41 on November 18, 2009, 10:37:27 AM
AirNav

Quote
We have V3.1 fully available for download now.
This intends to be a non-beta version (we want to release it to the public this week).

Changes:
- Application name changed to "AirNav RadarBox 2010 3.1"
- Real-time 30003 Output port for everyone

Download the full installation from:
(pls do install it and test it, not only testing the exe):
http://www.airnavsystems.com/download/anrb/ANRB310Setup.exe

Upgrade (from V2.xx or V3.xx to V3.1):
http://www.airnavsystems.com/download/anrb/ANRBUpgradeto310.exe

Will the ftp upload be a live feed or will this still be delayed by 5 Mins.

Andy
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: pjm on November 18, 2009, 10:49:31 AM
Quote from: abrad41 on November 18, 2009, 10:37:27 AM
Will the ftp upload be a live feed or will this still be delayed by 5 Mins.

Good question, currently (todays latest version) it is delayed 5 minutes.
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: DVDW on November 18, 2009, 05:10:42 PM
Everything is working well overhere.
RB port is in real-time. Planes in Planeplotter are plotted in real-time.

Regards,

Dirk.
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: AirNav Development on November 18, 2009, 05:41:32 PM
So all is Ok except the live ftp upload?
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: RodBearden on November 18, 2009, 05:45:47 PM
Just found a problem - playing back a recording made in 3.1 (now recording is real-time) it appears that where there is no Flight ID, an altitude is displayed instead.

see screensot.

Rod
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: RodBearden on November 18, 2009, 05:50:24 PM
It's not just when there's no flight ID - something else is going on:

Rod
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: AirNav Development on November 18, 2009, 06:25:01 PM
We will have look at this. Pls post more problems.
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: Allocator on November 18, 2009, 08:16:08 PM
The Polar Diagram is broken again - loads of spikes way over the range that they should be.  This is the bug that was seen and fixed in a previous beta version.
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: AirNav Development on November 19, 2009, 12:52:43 AM
Corrected: "Major Roads/Regional Roads in that same menu and Hide Small Airports, ATC Boundaries, Airways & ACARS Stations in the Aviation Signs menu"
Corrected: Real-Time FTP Upload
Corrected: altitude instead of flight id on replay
Stby: Polar Diagram code has not changed. Any other users experiencing any problem?

New exe at:
http://www.airnavsystems.com/download/anrb/31/anrb.exe
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: RodBearden on November 19, 2009, 01:07:15 AM
I'm getting the same spikey polar diagram as Allocator - wasn't a problem in 3.08.

Rod
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: RodBearden on November 19, 2009, 01:24:22 AM
Downloaded the latest version, but I have hardly any local traffic at the moment (1.30 AM) and I won't be able to test the recording functions until Thursday afternoon. Perhaps someone else can check the recording/playback problems that I had.

Rod
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: AirNav Development on November 19, 2009, 01:41:08 AM
Rod: please explain in detail the spikey polar diagram problem.

Basically what we do is the following:
1- When a new lat/long is received if it is far away than 200 NM from the previous lat/long is is disregarded (maybe we should change this to a much lower value with the risk of losing some traffic).

2- Polar diagram maximum range is always 350 NM. Any data far away that that is ignored.
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: GlynH on November 19, 2009, 04:57:48 AM
Well Dev you have nearly sorted the differences between the Map Menu & Quick Launch Area icons for me...I say nearly because I still see this strange behaviour when I click Hide Small Airports under the Aviation Signs Menu to enable it this change is not reflected via the Quick Launch Area Aviation Signs icon and vice-versa.

Strange then that Andy didn't see this behaviour at all...

I can report that the FTP upload now works without the 5-minute delay!

All I need now is a configurable FTP Upload time in Preferences/General to shorten the default 60sec upload and that part of it will be complete!

Great stuff...thanks.

Regards,
-=Glyn=-
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: GlynH on November 19, 2009, 06:09:03 AM
Not really a bug...just an inconsistency...

Whenever I upgrade I seem to lose the contents of my SmartView or Fleetwatch List.

No big deal for me (I keep this in an Excel spreadsheet for such occurrences) just an annoyance as it appears to 'remember' all of my other preferences & settings including the airport selected for METAR & TAF weather data in the same tab if you like.

Thanks & kind regards,
-=Glyn=-
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: Allocator on November 19, 2009, 07:49:52 AM
Quote from: AirNav Development on November 19, 2009, 01:41:08 AM
Rod: please explain in detail the spikey polar diagram problem.


If you look at my screenshot on the previous page of this thread, you can see the problem.  I know for a fact that those huge spikes going all the way up to Scotland are incorrect.  This is a known problem that appeared in an earlier RB Beta version and was quickly fixed.
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: pjm on November 19, 2009, 08:52:12 AM
Quote from: GlynH on November 19, 2009, 04:57:48 AM
Hide Small Airports under the Aviation Signs Menu to enable it this change is not reflected via the Quick Launch Area Aviation Signs icon and vice-versa.

I can confirm this problem too.

All my other problems seem fixed.

I didn't get the Security warning when starting the new exe.
the FTP screenshot is real time.

I don't have any problems with the polar diagram. From memory, last time this occurred it was related to the real time network. I rarely use the network, and mine is the delayed network anyway. 

Did this start happening again when the 5 minute transition from local to network problem was fixed?
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: AirNav Development on November 19, 2009, 08:51:59 PM
Corrected: polar diagram problem (we can't reproduce it here, pls re-check);
Corrected: I still see this strange behaviour when I click Hide Small Airports;
Corrected: blind rectangle that some users in NZ/Australia have been experiencing;
Corrected: configurable FTP Upload time: changed to 30 secs but still no configuration/way to change this (we don't want to make major changes at this time).

If you use the total upgrade you will lose them. If you manually update the .exe and/or us the upgrade setup file you will not. This happens because file D006.dat is overwritten whena  full isntall is done.

New exe at:
http://www.airnavsystems.com/download/anrb/31/anrb.exe
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: pjm on November 19, 2009, 08:59:45 PM
Quote from: AirNav Development on November 19, 2009, 08:51:59 PM
Corrected: blind rectangle that some users in NZ/Australia have been experiencing

mmm - interesting - this may affect me! (and I "was" wondering about some blind spots on my polar diagram......)

I'll check it out when I get home tonight, and let you know if I see any difference....
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: RodBearden on November 19, 2009, 09:31:11 PM
A problem with this latest release - transition from local to real-time network is losing aircraft for many minutes again. Transition from network to local seems ok.

Recordings playing back OK now - don't yet know about the polar - need more time to let it evolve.

Rod
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: AirNav Development on November 19, 2009, 09:37:03 PM
"A problem with this latest release - transition from local to real-time network is losing aircraft for many minutes again. Transition from network to local seems ok."

Are the network timeout settings the same as the HW timeout settings?
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: RodBearden on November 19, 2009, 09:40:21 PM
No - I had Hardware settings of 20 and 5, and network of 40 and 10.

Aircraft are disappearing for 6 to 7 minutes, though. I've just reset the timings to 20/5 for both and will report back.

Rod
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: RodBearden on November 19, 2009, 09:52:45 PM
With my new timeout settings I just lost a flight for 5 minutes as it passed from local to network.

Rod
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: AirNav Development on November 19, 2009, 10:02:46 PM
We will check this now.
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: RodBearden on November 19, 2009, 11:02:06 PM
I don't know if you've heard from Airdata, but I've been looking at NZ, and just spotted a clue that you might not have fixed his problem.

If you look at the trail of ZK-OKC below, you'll see it starts at exactly the same place as his shaded rectangle ends in this post: http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=3452.msg33231#msg33231 (http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=3452.msg33231#msg33231)

Other trails in this screenshot are longer, implying that trails from ZK-OKC weren't being picked up.

Rod
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: AirNav Support on November 19, 2009, 11:19:31 PM
Don't think he is using 3.10 yet, don't see anyone connected from outside Europe using 3.10 at this time.
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: AirNav Development on November 19, 2009, 11:26:03 PM
Our support is 100% correct. This problem is not a server but a software problem. We'll have to wait for him to download V3.10.
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: RodBearden on November 19, 2009, 11:31:17 PM
Sorry - yes - I jumped the gun there!

Rod
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: AirNav Development on November 20, 2009, 12:31:45 AM
Corrected (trying one more time): With my new timeout settings I just lost a flight for 5 minutes as it passed from local to network.

New exe at:
http://www.airnavsystems.com/download/anrb/31/anrb.exe
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: RodBearden on November 20, 2009, 12:41:54 AM
Downloaded - but it's late now - not much traffic around - I'll see if I can check it out now, but results may have to wait til tomorrow...

Rod
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: AirNav Development on November 20, 2009, 12:44:20 AM
Tks Rod. Will keep waiting for your feedback tomorrow.
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: RodBearden on November 20, 2009, 12:51:07 AM
Just had one - good timing - it reappeared on the network after around 25 seconds, so looking like a big improvement - is there an emoticon for crossed fingers?

Rod
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: AirNav Development on November 20, 2009, 12:53:32 AM
:-) It wascorrected on the previous exe but we made an error on the code. This last one should work (at least we tested it here)...it is unbelievable the complexity of the software...most users tend to think that it is just a software with a grid and a map but after 2.5 years we are still improving it. And it wil continue like that.
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: RodBearden on November 20, 2009, 01:35:22 AM
My only programming experience was trying to write Excel macros, and that's bad enough! But I've worked with developers and programmers for a LONG time and I know the problems.

Anyway, just had another flight that reappeared on the network 6 seconds after hardware timeout, so I reckon this version has got it right! Well done, chaps!

Bed now...

Rod
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: AirNav Development on November 20, 2009, 01:38:43 AM
Tks Rod. Now to all the other beta testers: pls give your best today and try to report any problems. We are here ready to correct them.
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: GlynH on November 20, 2009, 02:48:59 AM
Well in my short period of testing the new .exe it looks OK here.

Those Aviation & General Signs issues seem to have been cured.

My solitary menu issue with the busy pointer seems to have got worse leading me to think it is related to the FTP upload?

When I am in the menus and the FTP Upload (and possibly some other stuff as DB writes etc.) whatever thread is being used to complate these tasks is impacting upon my pointer turning it into the busy/sleepy hourglass pointer that will not go away until I come away from the menus.

I know it sounds like all I do with ANRB is play with the menus all day but it is really disconcerting when you are in the middle of a task and the nice arrow turns into the busy pointer and certainly can't be right.

I have never seen this behaviour on any other program and I use hundreds...

This issue was as good as sorted in previous builds but made its way back in some time ago...:-(

To give it a fighting chance when I install a new full version I start with a new database so that i sonly a fraction of its usual size...

Off to work now so won't get much time to play...

Thanks & regards,
-=Glyn=-
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: pjm on November 20, 2009, 04:58:00 AM
Quote from: AirNav Development on November 20, 2009, 01:38:43 AM
Now to all the other beta testers: pls give your best today and try to report any problems. We are here ready to correct them.

Ok, I've installed the new version and testing now.

Also I am sharing the data.

AirNav Dev - can you tell me, if invalid positions are received locally and data is being shared, would you see the invalid location data at the server? If so what do you do with it?

fwiw these are the area's I'm interested in

(http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/8539/20091120160106.jpg) (http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/8539/20091120160106.jpg)
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: pjm on November 20, 2009, 05:36:12 AM
Well, after 1 quick test, I don't believe it is fixed either.

I wasn't logging port 30003, however I just tracked QFA729 and it appeared in the text interface the whole time, but disappeared from the radar screen where the purple arrow shows in the screenshot below (it was in the radarscreen where the green arrow is).

(http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/6094/20091120163210.jpg)

Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: pjm on November 20, 2009, 07:34:44 AM
I've captured a video and telnet session of port 30003 for another example (with the latest ANRB).

http://www.petermcgrath.info/AirNav/blackhole.zip

The aircraft in question is mode-s 7C810C and is is highlighted in both interface and the radar screen (when it is visible on the radar screen)

You can see it in the text interface the entire time of the video.

As the video starts you can see the aircraft approaching the blackhole.

at approx:
18:10 the aircraft stops moving across the radar screen (enters the black hole)
18:16 disappears on the radar screen (GPS parameters disappear)
18:19 aircraft leaves the black hole and re-appears on the radar screen.

Throughout the entire session all parameters (Altitude, GS, heading, vrate etc) are being updated except GPS location, which stops being updated in the "blackhole"




Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: tarbat on November 20, 2009, 09:07:53 AM
Quote from: GlynH on November 20, 2009, 02:48:59 AM
My solitary menu issue with the busy pointer seems to have got worse leading me to think it is related to the FTP upload?

I also get a busy pointer during FTP upload.  I don't get it at any other time.  I suspect it's caused by the ftp server being slow to respond.  It doesn't give me a problem though, I've always accepted it, in the same way that programs like Excel give a busy pointer when saving a file, for example.

EDIT: I also get a busy pointer on QNH lookup and network download.  I've always accepted that as normal.
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: tarbat on November 20, 2009, 09:53:25 AM
I'm still seeing very long range spikes on the polar chart.  These appear to be created by NETWORK aircraft.  See these far to the south of my location, in an area where I normally don't get this range.

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2583/4119594516_14512bf2a8_m.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tarbat/4119594516/sizes/o/)

EDIT:  It looks like these spikes only get created when the aircraft is flying on a radial away from my home location.
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: tarbat on November 20, 2009, 11:36:27 AM
Other than the polar chart spikes, everything else seems fine on this new version.
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: prbflight on November 20, 2009, 04:51:18 PM
Quote from: tarbat on November 20, 2009, 11:36:27 AM
Other than the polar chart spikes, everything else seems fine on this new version.

I agree with Tarbat.  This newest beta is working fine for me other then the syncing of aircraft history to aircraft that I have mentioned in previous reports.  As I'm not in a high traffic area where one flight bumps the next's history onto MyFlights I have accepted this normal also.  I haven't seen anyone else on the general forum complain of this issue.

Paul@cyyb
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: RodBearden on November 20, 2009, 05:01:33 PM
Here's my spikey polar, generated over the 20-ish hours since I downloaded the latest exe.

EDIT - My RB's only actually been running for about 3 hours since I downloaded the exe - I turn it off when I'm asleep or at work.

Rod
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: tarbat on November 20, 2009, 05:09:10 PM
Rod, was that with just local hardware aircraft, or with network aircraft as well?   I only get a spikey polar if I have real-time network turned on.
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: RodBearden on November 20, 2009, 05:12:22 PM
I always have the network on. Except when I took this screenshot of course- I turned all flights off to make it clearer :-)

Rod
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: abrad41 on November 20, 2009, 05:37:13 PM
For what its worth, I downloaded the "exe" this morning and the computer has been running all day since about 08.00.  Everything is working fine here, I include a screenshot of my polar and everything is normal there, but I do not use the network, so this could be a network problem.

Andy
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: pjm on November 21, 2009, 02:20:37 AM
Quote from: pjm on November 20, 2009, 04:58:00 AM
fwiw these are the area's I'm interested in

(http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/8539/20091120160106.jpg) (http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/8539/20091120160106.jpg)

I've done a little logging this morning and analysed the results, and found approx 16% error rate - i.e. invalid Longtitude. The areas involved confirm my suspicions of the 2 blackholes in the diagram above.

fwiw of 14502 MSG3's captured in about 80 minutes, 2312 have invalid Longtitude. My logging so far shows no errors in the Latitude.

Latitude (±90°) range -32.5117 <-> -35.1491
Longtitude (±180°) valid range 147.8562 <-> 152.4303
Longtitude (<>180°) invalid range -208.2465 <-> -211.9795

Raw data is here for those interested:
http://www.petermcgrath.info/AirNav/30003.xls

I must say, I'm looking forward to getting this bug fixed - an additional 16% of aircraft on the radar screen will be great!
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: pjm on November 21, 2009, 04:00:19 AM
Very interesting comparison from SBS plotter and RB Polar diagram.

Seems SBS plotter is taking the invalid Longtitude's from RB and adding the 360° offset and displaying the aircraft.

In the example here you can see SBS plotter has tracked JST444 for the past 5 minutes and displayed it on its diagram, while it had JUST come out of the blackhole and started to be displayed by RB...

(http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/4611/20091121145153.jpg) (http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/4611/20091121145153.jpg)
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: tarbat on November 21, 2009, 08:57:21 AM
pjm, a conclusive test would be to reset your polar chart, and clear the data in sbsplotter, then run both for a day.

You can then save an OUT file from sbsplotter, put that into your outlines folder, and then display the outline of the "true" polar chart from sbsplotter in ANRB.

This will also be a useful technique to test the fix when Airnav finally fix this bug.
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: pjm on November 21, 2009, 09:18:23 AM
Without even resetting my existing polar diagram its pretty conclusive - this is with just approx 8 hours today worth of sbsplotter

(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/9652/20091121201433.jpg) (http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/9652/20091121201433.jpg)
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: AirNav Development on November 22, 2009, 02:21:34 AM
We are still working on the blind rectangle problem. We sent a new .exe to 5 different users a few minutes ago and we are waiting for their feedback.

Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: pjm on November 22, 2009, 03:32:00 AM
looking good :)

Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: AirNav Development on November 22, 2009, 03:37:31 AM
Taking in account the feedback from 2 users (Australia and NZ) we have the blind rectangle problem finally corrected. Only one problem remains: spikes in the polar diagram. We have contacted the users that reported it.
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: DVDW on November 22, 2009, 09:11:18 AM
I reset my polar diagram yesterday afertoon and this morning it showed like this. (network not active). I can't observe any spikes.

Regards,

Dirk.
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: tarbat on November 22, 2009, 10:54:07 AM
Quote from: DVDW on November 22, 2009, 09:11:18 AM
I reset my polar diagram yesterday afertoon and this morning it showed like this. (network not active). I can't observe any spikes.

Yes, I'm pretty sure these spikes are caused by network aircraft that have transitioned fromlocal hardware aircraft.  Airnav, let me know if there's any testing you want me to do.
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: pjm on November 22, 2009, 11:02:11 AM
Quote from: tarbat on November 22, 2009, 10:54:07 AM
Yes, I'm pretty sure these spikes are caused by network aircraft that have transitioned fromlocal hardware aircraft.  Airnav, let me know if there's any testing you want me to do.

I think its more complex than that, I don't usually have the network on, but I left it running last night (mine is the delayed one) and recorded port 30003, there were over 100 "spikes" last night from all around the globe (as far away as Africa on the other side of the planet - much like the UK :) )

So there would have been no transitions there. Likely the ones people are seeing on the polar diagram are just the ones under the "limit" before they get discarded as obviously fallacious.

Actually after looking at the data again, it looks like it may be corrupted local data after all - not sure why it only happens when the network is on ?
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: tarbat on November 22, 2009, 11:34:01 AM
I've now analysed my 20MB or port 30003 from yesterday.  239,885 lines of port output, and ALL lat/long values were wthin my normal reception range of:
54.6769N to 59.2829N
10.0957W to 00.8047E

Not a single value on the port 30003 output was outside my normal reception range.  In my case, these spikes are definately caused by network aircraft.
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: pjm on November 22, 2009, 12:03:53 PM
Quote from: tarbat on November 22, 2009, 11:34:01 AM
In my case, these spikes are definately caused by network aircraft.

fyi - here are the "errors" from my log last night. This is one pretty special aircraft :)

Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: John Racars on November 22, 2009, 12:07:56 PM
Hi All,

I was out for short while so this morming I downloaded and installed the newest (ANRB 2010 - 3. 1) version.

All looks working fine (ACARS application as well) until sofar.
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: AirNav Development on November 23, 2009, 01:23:31 AM
As confirmed by Rod Bearden the Polar Spikes problem seem to be solved. We will now release V3.11 Beta on the main forum. Tks again for all your help!
Title: Re: V3.09 (non-beta) Ready
Post by: pjm on November 23, 2009, 05:21:33 AM
I've just checked my logs from last night & today and there are no extraneous longitude entries at all, so looking good from here as well.