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Title: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: AirNav Development on November 05, 2009, 04:36:05 PM
We have just finished the work and testing on the pending issues reported on previous beta version of AirNav RadarBox.  They have been properly tested by our beta team.
This time we are not releasing a full installer but just the changed .exe.

1- Download the new V3.08 executable file from:
http://www.airnavsystems.com/download/anrb/beta/anrb.exe

2- Copy it to your AirNav RadarBox folder, overwriting the existing file.

Please note that this is still a beta so errors may still exist and should be reported on this thread or to our support team at [email protected]

Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Jeremy on November 05, 2009, 07:26:19 PM
Airnav. Screen still freezes after sorting MyFlights by Altitude. Please confirm that this was supposed to be rectified.
J.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Fenris on November 05, 2009, 07:27:35 PM
Would it be possible to post a list of what is intended to be fixed please.

Thanks!
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: vonsmalhausen on November 05, 2009, 08:02:45 PM
just installed 3.08, and i'm very happy that the problem that anoyed me the most in 3.07 : the de-selecting of flights and problems with showing the correct info seems to be corrected :-)
thanks AirNav.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: bratters on November 05, 2009, 08:08:34 PM
Airnav. Screen still freezes after sorting MyFlights by Altitude. Please confirm that this was supposed to be rectified.
J.

That's strange Jeremy - No more freezing here.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: bearcat on November 05, 2009, 08:17:28 PM
No freezing here, tried with altitude sorted ascending and descending
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: jonjorobb on November 05, 2009, 08:28:10 PM
Maybe Im missing something - I've been running 3.08 for the past week! I went to download 3.07 and 3.08 came!

Thanks anyway :) - No issues here!
Jonjo
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: MW0CVW on November 05, 2009, 08:30:51 PM
Just Installed 3.08 on my machine.

So far now problems,i removed AVG virus checker and installed Avast virus checker.

More stable and seems to run better no freezing.

MW0CVW

Paul

NR EGNR/EGGP
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: BMcL26 on November 05, 2009, 08:43:31 PM
Installed 3.08 been running for 2 hours now no problems, no freezing when sorting by any field.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Fenris on November 05, 2009, 10:11:41 PM
OK, well so far it looks better, the highlighting problem seems not to happen within a minute as it did before. That's a lot of progress for me!

However, the attached screenshot does show up a local flight more than 2000nm away, it was over Burkina Faso when I looked. Also it seemed to be updating regularly, and since it was showing as an ATP I'm not sure if it was meant to have ADS-B or if this was some strange garble.

So, let's chalk this one up to something odd for now. And indeed it was. I've seen two ATPs this evening that show a position which is either 12, 24 or 36 degrees North and is always 0 degrees East. Looks like something wrong in the avionics on board, or a faulty setup.

I'll try and test for a decent period over the weekend.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: radarspotter10 on November 05, 2009, 10:20:41 PM
hi team.
Thanks for a great job well done,  going great hear,   no problems.
from pat.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Pinza on November 05, 2009, 11:17:39 PM
I have been running 3.08 for four hours now - with interface sorted on altitude.

Flights have come and gone from 'MyFlights' but any selected flight still in range has remained 'locked on' and in focus.

This seems to be a major improvement - many thanks AirNav.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: DaveReid on November 05, 2009, 11:54:01 PM
So, let's chalk this one up to something odd for now. And indeed it was. I've seen two ATPs this evening that show a position which is either 12, 24 or 36 degrees North and is always 0 degrees East. Looks like something wrong in the avionics on board, or a faulty setup.

The ATP problem is a strange one - it seems to occur on RadarBox, but I've yet to see it on SBS, and the aircraft concerned don't actually have ADS-B so I have no idea where RB is getting those coordinates from.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Jeremy on November 06, 2009, 12:12:33 AM
Airnav. Screen still freezes after sorting MyFlights by Altitude. Please confirm that this was supposed to be rectified.
J.
Well it is still happening here. It is something to do with the screen saver. Once that is activayed the screen freezes and MyFlights list is added to but not emptied. I know the solution is to turn off the screen saver but to me that is not the real solution but cosmetic.
J.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Fenris on November 06, 2009, 12:27:03 AM
Could it be mistaking one DF frame format for another? I seem to remember you saying that there is some ambiguity with certain frames if you don't know what the interrogator sent to the aircraft.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: AirNav Development on November 06, 2009, 02:30:12 AM
Fenris/DaveReid: we have developed several routines to make sure that all the old SBS-1 users that daily upgrade to RadarBox can continue to use their favotite addon application with RadarBox.

Can you confirm that RadarBox 3.08 is 100% compatible with all SBS-1 addons / 30003 Port?
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: MrT on November 06, 2009, 06:58:52 AM
Just downloaded 3.08 Seems to be working ok for me.

Good to see that 5 min delay "Nag" popup has disappeared!

Working ok with PlanePlotter too.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: tarbat on November 06, 2009, 07:18:22 AM
Re: port 30003 - briefly tested, and working okay with:
Planeplotter
MilModeSLogger
sbsplotter
sbssim

No other problems here.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: DaveReid on November 06, 2009, 07:26:02 AM
Could it be mistaking one DF frame format for another? I seem to remember you saying that there is some ambiguity with certain frames if you don't know what the interrogator sent to the aircraft.

Possibly. 

Clearly something is being decoded wrongly, although of course ADS-B squitters have nothing to do with ground radar interrogations.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: tarbat on November 06, 2009, 07:40:36 AM
A quick look in my log shows the following aircraft with "suspicious" lat/longs:
400FEB   G-BUUR   ATP   British AerospaceAtp   Atlantic Airlines
4008F3   G-BUUP   ATP   British AerospaceAtp   Atlantic Airlines

Strange that it's always ATPs.  Would that suggest a problem with the airframe rather than the software, but I wonder why the SBS-1 doesn't show these anomolies.  Dave, any idea?
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: tarbat on November 06, 2009, 08:25:41 AM
Port 30003 also now tested with OverFlightLogger okay.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: DaveReid on November 06, 2009, 09:12:06 AM
A quick look in my log shows the following aircraft with "suspicious" lat/longs:
400FEB   G-BUUR   ATP   British AerospaceAtp   Atlantic Airlines
4008F3   G-BUUP   ATP   British AerospaceAtp   Atlantic Airlines

Strange that it's always ATPs.  Would that suggest a problem with the airframe rather than the software, but I wonder why the SBS-1 doesn't show these anomolies.  Dave, any idea?

Well, looking at the Mode S spec, I suspect that somewhere in the encoding/decoding process a 112-bit DF20 (altitude) or DF21 (squawk) interrogation response is being interpreted by RB as a DF17 (extended squitter).

Don't ask me why or how.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Peter on November 06, 2009, 09:15:48 AM
I've run the old Evesham XP3 machine for a while now and all is well, no problems noted, changed maps, colours, looked at data etc and all OK.
However the Mesh unit, using Windows 7, seems to have developed something whereby the "Harware connected" light turns from green to red and then reverts back to green again. I assume that it is losing connection with the ANRB and then restoring. Version 3.07 would run OK for an hour or so, then lose contact completely. At which point the screen would lock up and the only way to get out of the programme was to shut down via the main switch.
I suspect that if I leave it going for an hour or so, then the same will happen again.
Network connection however is fine.
Looks as if I will have to revert to the old Evesham again!

Peter

An update on this new problem: Contact from Mesh to ANRB is by means of 2 x active 5m lengths of USB lead. Switching around to the Evesham is by means of an extra 3m USB standard extension. This has never been a problem and still works fine. To switch back to the Mesh (windows 7), just pull out the 3m extension and plug into an available Mesh port.
However, this time to save grovelling behind the Mesh computer desk, I found a brand new 0.5m USB extension which I used as a short patch lead. This was the culprit for the short term losses of connection, I've removed that and plugged the original straight into a port, and no more "flickering contact".
It is now going to be left running to see if the problem with 3.07 returns, i.e. complete loss of connection after around 90 minutes.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Fenris on November 06, 2009, 10:36:13 AM
A quick look in my log shows the following aircraft with "suspicious" lat/longs:
400FEB   G-BUUR   ATP   British AerospaceAtp   Atlantic Airlines
4008F3   G-BUUP   ATP   British AerospaceAtp   Atlantic Airlines

Strange that it's always ATPs.  Would that suggest a problem with the airframe rather than the software, but I wonder why the SBS-1 doesn't show these anomolies.  Dave, any idea?

Well, looking at the Mode S spec, I suspect that somewhere in the encoding/decoding process a 112-bit DF20 (altitude) or DF21 (squawk) interrogation response is being interpreted by RB as a DF17 (extended squitter).

Don't ask me why or how.

The question is whether this always happens,  or whether ATPs transmit some bits that are different from the norm and thus confuse the parsing algorithm.

I obviously don't know how the RB software does the decode, but I assume that it must grab the bytes coming over the USB interface, translate them into the correct bit value, pack the resulting bit stream into bytes again and then run a standard parser/decoder over the packet thus generated. If so, I suppose that it's the last step that gets confused.

Perhaps the apparently fixed position I was reporting, 12.00N 0.00E, could be turned back into bytes and then compared with what the 'other' interpretation of that packet should have been. But then maybe I'm the only one that cares!

I don't have the Mode-S codes concerned in my head either, so I'd have to look it up in the log anyway.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Fenris on November 06, 2009, 10:39:20 AM
It is now going to be left running to see if the problem with 3.07 returns, i.e. complete loss of connection after around 90 minutes.

I think you'd be better served doing this with 3.08.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: dca on November 06, 2009, 10:41:01 AM
I have just upgraded to 3.08. I subscribe to real time network data but I have had a message appear telling me I subscribe to 5 minute delayed data!
In fact I am getting no network data at all- is there a problem with the network at the moment?
Thanks,
Dave
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Fenris on November 06, 2009, 10:42:30 AM
http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=3766.msg36966#msg36966
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: snowman on November 06, 2009, 10:54:28 AM
When are we going to get the certified Windows drivers as mentioned previously ?
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: AIRNAVan on November 06, 2009, 10:58:20 AM
I have just upgraded to 3.08. I subscribe to real time network data but I have had a message appear telling me I subscribe to 5 minute delayed data!
In fact I am getting no network data at all- is there a problem with the network at the moment?
Thanks,
Dave

same thing happening here.

Tony
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Roadrunner on November 06, 2009, 11:08:08 AM
Just upgraded to v3.8 and immediately I have lost my real-time connection to the Network. Every time I start I see the message that my network data is delayed 5 minutes. I have checked my firewall and it is shown as allowing packets of data in and out so that should not be a problem. The only thing is that it is registering as v.3.7 still in the list and not 3.8
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: DaveReid on November 06, 2009, 11:13:03 AM
Fenris/DaveReid: we have developed several routines to make sure that all the old SBS-1 users that daily upgrade to RadarBox can continue to use their favotite addon application with RadarBox.

Can you confirm that RadarBox 3.08 is 100% compatible with all SBS-1 addons / 30003 Port?

I'm afraid it will be a week or so before I get a chance to play with 3.08 as I'm up to my ears in database enhancements (having said that, the end product will potentially be of benefit to all RB users, once the beta phase is over).

Sorry !
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Roadrunner on November 06, 2009, 01:27:24 PM
AirNav,

Something I have noticed with 3.8. If you close the program using the File/Exit method it closes properly but using the top right Red X causes an error message
ANRB.Exe has stopped working
A problem caused the program to stop working correctly.
Windows will close the program and notify you if a solution
is available.
Then clicking close program clears the box with no sign of any errors.

I am running Windows Vista 32bit.

Mike
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: AirNav Development on November 06, 2009, 01:42:44 PM
Fenris/DaveReid: we have developed several routines to make sure that all the old SBS-1 users that daily upgrade to RadarBox can continue to use their favotite addon application with RadarBox.

Can you confirm that RadarBox 3.08 is 100% compatible with all SBS-1 addons / 30003 Port?

I'm afraid it will be a week or so before I get a chance to play with 3.08 as I'm up to my ears in database enhancements (having said that, the end product will potentially be of benefit to all RB users, once the beta phase is over).

Sorry !

Very strange answer considering you have asked so many times for this feature on this forum. Fortunately you have the time to write about other "problems".

Anyway we have good news: we have tested it with several beta testers and it works perfectly, so from now on RadarBox is 100% compatible with any SBS-1 addons.

Rgd V3.08 real-time network access: nothing has changed there and we have confirmed it works perfectly too (we had a minor network outage today so that could be the case for it).
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: DaveReid on November 06, 2009, 01:48:35 PM
Very strange answer considering you have asked so many times for this feature on this forum. Fortunately you have the time to write about other "problems".

I've never claimed, nor aspired, to be a beta-tester, but if that's your attitude I won't bother to look at it at all.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: GreekSpy2001 on November 06, 2009, 04:07:51 PM
3.08 running with JSTARS OK

Graham
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: darkskies74 on November 06, 2009, 07:51:39 PM
Can I upgrade to 3.08 beta straight from 3.06 beta?
Have to upgrade as 3.06 beta just will not work on my laptop, continuous stream of error messages that spring up so fast I can't click them off fast enough!!
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Jollygreen on November 06, 2009, 08:03:22 PM
AirNav

Can we have an answer re the signed driver as I do not want to upgrade until this is fixed.

Nigel
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: AirNav Development on November 06, 2009, 08:14:45 PM
V3.06 to V3.08: you can do the upgrade by replacing the exe only.

Signed driver: this has been one of the biggest challenges we've ever had at AirNav Syste.s We are fighting on this one on a daily basis. After 1 more week of contacts changed with Microsoft we are testing a new solution. Anyway my suggestion is not to postpone your upgrade because of this.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: naird on November 06, 2009, 08:22:12 PM
Running 3.06 with no problems. Tried to upload 3.08 from your link at the beginning of this thread. Unable to   >>>> anrb(1).exe unable to locatete Component  rb.dll was not found  <<<<<<  is this because I have disabled drivers to run ARNB on Vista!!???

Give me the simple life.

Neil
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: AirNav Development on November 06, 2009, 08:33:36 PM
I believe you copied it to the wrong folder. Pls contact our support for a detailed explanation/help.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: vonsmalhausen on November 06, 2009, 08:34:18 PM
since i installed 3.08 on my Vista Laptop, i get an error message from Windows on shutdown, something like ( i get the message in Dutch, but i'll try to translate it as close as possible for me ) :

ANRB.exe does not function/works anymore
you can search on-line for a solution to this problem

and then 2 options

----> online search for a solution

----> close the program

never had this problem before, and i only have it with Vista ; on my XP dektop all goes like it should
now, as i shut down ANRB, i know it is not working anymore ..... but why does Windows all the sudden keeps me reminding of that ???
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Pinza on November 06, 2009, 10:56:18 PM
Just Installed 3.08 on my machine.

So far now problems,i removed AVG virus checker and installed Avast virus checker.

Thanks for that Paul.

I've been a long-term user of AVG - and very happy with it.

However, I've had issues with very long loading times of ANRB.

Upgraded to 3.08b last night and switched from AVG to Avast this evening.

ANRB loaded much, much quicker tonight - so think will proceed with switching to Avast.

Chris

Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: CoastGuardJon on November 06, 2009, 11:25:31 PM
Running 3.06 with no problems. Tried to upload 3.08 from your link at the beginning of this thread. Unable to   >>>> anrb(1).exe unable to locatete Component  rb.dll was not found  <<<<<<  is this because I have disabled drivers to run ARNB on Vista!!???

Hi Neil/AN, I did a direct swap of the 3.08 exe file replacing the 3.07 one, and getting exactly the same message.   Something not right somewhere.   

Because of all the problems we were experiencing, a week or so ago, did a complete re-format and fresh installation of Vista - what a lot of updates, and takes up 20+GB, after logging out, takes 2 minutes (instead of 12 secs)to shut machine down - not an AN issue - just picking everyone's brains for suggestions............
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: voyager8 on November 07, 2009, 12:51:18 AM
Hi all,ref the 3.08 exe error mesage,( using XP ). I initially got this while following the instruction to copy it to the airnav folder & overwrite the 3.07 exe,could not understand why programme opened still showing v3.07 not 3.08.Removed the 3.07 exe from the folder leaving the new 3.08 exe in its place,tried openning the programme using the desktop short cut,got message saying searching for exe,then realised that it was the v3.07 shortcut looking for the 3.08 exe,so created a new shortcut for the new 3.08 exe,put that on the desktop now works ok,have also restored the 3.07 exe to its original place in the same folder as the new 3.08 exe & that also works from its 3.07 short cut.I got fooled as only used to running the full installers before, first time I have just downloaded and installed just the exe file.Hope this may help someone else.Regards Paul.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Tramline on November 07, 2009, 08:57:37 AM
V3.06 to V3.08: you can do the upgrade by replacing the exe only.

AirNav - as a technophobe I read this sort of thing in horror.  I'd have no idea even where to start here. 

Is it possible to upload a video to YouTube that provides an instructional video on how to do such 'technical' issues.

For me, the beauty of AirNav and the reason why I chose your system was the 'Plug-in and play' factor. 

I know this thread is about testing a new beta version, but I'm sure I speak for many who would welcome video tutorials IF system changes need to be made and so prevent deleting or corrupting the program and be left marooned without support.

Just my thoughts...
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Roadrunner on November 07, 2009, 10:15:43 AM
since i installed 3.08 on my Vista Laptop, i get an error message from Windows on shutdown, something like ( i get the message in Dutch, but i'll try to translate it as close as possible for me ) :

ANRB.exe does not function/works anymore
you can search on-line for a solution to this problem

and then 2 options

----> online search for a solution

----> close the program

never had this problem before, and i only have it with Vista ; on my XP dektop all goes like it should
now, as i shut down ANRB, i know it is not working anymore ..... but why does Windows all the sudden keeps me reminding of that ???

Hi there,

If you close down using the File/Exit message it should not happen. On my Vista set up I get that message only wqhen I close using the Red X at top right hand of screen.

Regards Mike
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: darkskies74 on November 07, 2009, 12:52:36 PM
Having a few probs here....
1) Upgraded to version 3.06 which my laptop refused to run properly
2) Then upgraded to v3.07 which works EXCEPT no images of aircraft at all, just constant message of 'downloading image' or 'no image available'
3) v3.08 won't seem to recognise the RadarBox itself, icon for hardware remains amber in colour with 'checking hardware' displayed next to it.
I've replaced the .exe file as a straight swap in the RadarBox folder in program files, i'm at a loss, HELP!!
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: AirNav Support on November 07, 2009, 12:54:12 PM
Tramline,

This is a beta version not a full version so we are looking for people with some technical knowledge to help us find issues. If you are not a techincal user it may be best to wait untill the full version is released.

When we release beta sometimes with full installs lots of people download who don't actually understand the term "Beta" and over load support.

A Beta version is also not fully supported as well, its main taks are to indentify issues and confirm functions are working as it should.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: AirNav Support on November 07, 2009, 12:55:15 PM
darkskies74,

Our server is still suffering from yesterday so any features such as photo look ups, routes which use the server could be up and down today.

We apologise for issues caused.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Tramline on November 07, 2009, 01:38:05 PM
Tramline,

This is a beta version not a full version so we are looking for people with some technical knowledge to help us find issues. If you are not a techincal user it may be best to wait untill the full version is released.

When we release beta sometimes with full installs lots of people download who don't actually understand the term "Beta" and over load support.

A Beta version is also not fully supported as well, its main taks are to indentify issues and confirm functions are working as it should.

Hi AirNav,

Thanks for your response.  I will wait for the final version but the point I was trying to make was that video tutorials would be useful IF any technical matters arise - that's all.

I know my place.  I technonumpty, which means I cannot be involved in testing the beta versions.  Shame.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Allocator on November 07, 2009, 01:47:14 PM
I take it that you have seen the existing video tutorials for normal RB use?

http://www.airnavsystems.com/radarbox/video/

http://www.youtube.com/user/AirNavTeam
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: darkskies74 on November 07, 2009, 01:53:48 PM
darkskies74,

Our server is still suffering from yesterday so any features such as photo look ups, routes which use the server could be up and down today.

We apologise for issues caused.

Thanks for that.
Any ideas as to why v3.08 won't work when .exe file is changed?
Do I delete the old .exe file?
And anything else need doing when changing .exe 3.07 to .exe 3.08?

Cheers
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Fenris on November 07, 2009, 02:06:09 PM
I simply renamed the old anrb.exe to anrb.exe.old and then saved the new anrb.exe in the RB directory.

When I ran it, I got the Windows warning that it couldn't find a signature for the new .exe file, unticked the always ask box and ran the new version. It just worked at that point.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Fenris on November 07, 2009, 04:21:46 PM
A couple of things still not quite right in My Flights.

If I sort by distance, because the selected column is not shown in the interface (it's off the side of the container) when the selected aircraft times out and the selection changes, the interface scrolls (more like jumps!) sideways so that the red box around the selected column value is in view.

Also, I have noticed that the Aircraft History is often related to the previous aircraft that was selected, changing to a different aircraft and back fixes this so it seems to happen with automatic changes of selection. Maybe this was missed as the other aircraft details are now correct as they used to be in v2.01.

One other thing, the range bearing display is still showing the last data after My Flights has 0 aircraft in it, I presume it should clear?

A suggestion, could the aircraft registration be placed after the Aircraft History title?

So far no freezes with sort settimgs I've tried, socket feed to PP seems to be working just fine too.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: darkskies74 on November 07, 2009, 05:21:37 PM
I simply renamed the old anrb.exe to anrb.exe.old and then saved the new anrb.exe in the RB directory.

When I ran it, I got the Windows warning that it couldn't find a signature for the new .exe file, unticked the always ask box and ran the new version. It just worked at that point.


Thanks, will give that a try.
What version of Windows are you running? I'm on Vista Home Prem 32 bit
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Fenris on November 07, 2009, 05:55:30 PM
Yes, Vista Home Premium 32 bit with SP2 and all other fixes applied.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: naird on November 07, 2009, 06:32:29 PM
I believe you copied it to the wrong folder. Pls contact our support for a detailed explanation/help.

Thanks AirNav  I think I will stay with 3.06 until a stable final edition is released.

Good luck.

Neil
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Allocator on November 07, 2009, 06:40:53 PM
V3.06 is Beta (test) software and V3.08 is an even better version of V3.06 :-)
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: naird on November 07, 2009, 06:53:28 PM
Thanks Allocator   still staying with stable package I have just now.  Just spent an hour with a lad in France working on my computer with Team Viewer...wonderful generous help. But I'd better get back to my website before the natives get restless.

Cheers   enjoy the forum as long as everyone stays calm ;-)

Watching the afternoon parade from Europe as it goes past my window.

Cheers

Neil
Kingston ON
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: vonsmalhausen on November 07, 2009, 07:21:52 PM
since i installed 3.08 on my Vista Laptop, i get an error message from Windows on shutdown, something like ( i get the message in Dutch, but i'll try to translate it as close as possible for me ) :

ANRB.exe does not function/works anymore
you can search on-line for a solution to this problem

and then 2 options

----> online search for a solution

----> close the program

never had this problem before, and i only have it with Vista ; on my XP dektop all goes like it should
now, as i shut down ANRB, i know it is not working anymore ..... but why does Windows all the sudden keeps me reminding of that ???

Hi there,

If you close down using the File/Exit message it should not happen. On my Vista set up I get that message only wqhen I close using the Red X at top right hand of screen.

Regards Mike

thanks for the tip Mike, but i always close the program using the File/Exit way, so that can't be the source of the problem.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: vassylad on November 07, 2009, 07:29:30 PM
Hi can I download V3.08 on top of V2.0 and if so, how on earth do I find the folder to rename it, sorry to sound so vague, I am currently running Windows Vista.

Thanks


Mike Vass
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Fenris on November 07, 2009, 07:33:32 PM
Hi can I download V3.08 on top of V2.0 and if so, how on earth do I find the folder to rename it, sorry to sound so vague, I am currently running Windows Vista.

You can open the properties of the program object you use to start RB, it will show you where it is located.

It might help if you copy the old .exe to a new name, I use anrb.exe.old, then save the new anrb.exe over the existing anrb.exe. That's all you need to do.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: vassylad on November 07, 2009, 07:56:46 PM
Thanks. When I open the link i get a part download and then I get the following message

anrb.exe-Unable To Locate Component


X This application has failed to start because rb.dll was not found.
   Re-installing the application may fix this problem.

Then

anrb.exe has stopped working.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Fenris on November 07, 2009, 10:08:46 PM
Thanks. When I open the link i get a part download and then I get the following message

anrb.exe-Unable To Locate Component


X This application has failed to start because rb.dll was not found.
   Re-installing the application may fix this problem.

Then

anrb.exe has stopped working.

So are you selecting to save the file? It can only do what you say if you try and run it from the wrong location.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: skydancer1694e on November 07, 2009, 11:24:13 PM
I downloaded the beta and installed it. After the install completed and I started the program it would not load as it kept giving me one continuous memory error after another.  I had to kill the program.  I then had to uninstall it all and drop back to my previous version.  Needless to say there was no version rollback feature so I had to install fresh using the CD that came with my radarbox.

BTW I had lots of install problems when I did the very first install of the radar box back in August.  To say the least I think that AirNav needs to be more on top of the quirks associated with getting it installed properly.  At a minimum how about at least providing a rollback feature.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Aerotower on November 08, 2009, 12:47:10 AM
Good night, JetBlue (U.S.) and Frontier (U.S.) do not possess a normal callsign, ie, they are only numbers.
It was not possible to do something so that these companies have their logos?
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: DaveReid on November 08, 2009, 09:32:34 AM
Good night, JetBlue (U.S.) and Frontier (U.S.) do not possess a normal callsign, ie, they are only numbers.
It was not possible to do something so that these companies have their logos?

The logo that's displayed is the one that corresponds to the first three letters of the Flight ID (i.e. the ICAO operator designator). 

While JetBlue and Frontier continue not to use their designators (JBU and FFT, respectively) in their Flight IDs, there's not much that RadarBox can do.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: ANDREJ767 on November 08, 2009, 02:23:01 PM
Just instaled 3.08 and working OK so far - still I wonder why program dont remember color settings I make - runways to be orange colour for example.When I close RB and start it again it goeas todefault again.What should I change or am I working wrong something?
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: RodBearden on November 08, 2009, 02:28:27 PM
Andre - once you have changed your colour scheme, use the Export option and save it as Default.mcl. There is a continuing annoyance in RadarBox recently that it also seems to want to load Real Radar.mcl, so you could also export your colour scheme as that name.

Should solve your problem.

Rod
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: ANDREJ767 on November 08, 2009, 03:39:56 PM
Thank you very much - it helped to save settings as real Radar.mcl .
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: vassylad on November 08, 2009, 06:02:07 PM
I get the sa
Thanks. When I open the link i get a part download and then I get the following message

anrb.exe-Unable To Locate Component


X This application has failed to start because rb.dll was not found.
   Re-installing the application may fix this problem.

Then

anrb.exe has stopped working.
Same result both when I run it or save it, should I download V3.07 first, then put V3.08 over that.

Is this another Vista problem or just mine?

Michael
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Fenris on November 08, 2009, 06:07:52 PM
Where do you have RB installed?

In Vista and Win7 it is highly recommended not to install in the Program Files directory tree because an unprivileged user is not allowed to write to files there.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: CoastGuardJon on November 08, 2009, 06:24:55 PM
Hi Brian and Michael, I've come to the conclusion that this is an AN glitch.   Because we were getting so many problems, I completely re-formatted the HDDs, loaded Vista from scratch, went on-line, and downloaded all the Updates (incl. Service Packs 1 and 2) - five days later!    Loaded ANRB 3.07 software into a new folder C:\AirNav Systems RB, when I plugged in the RB and was asked for Drivers, had to open the folder and then Driver sub-folder and away it went, but despite advice from Brian, Gary and others, still can't get 3.08 to run.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Fenris on November 08, 2009, 06:52:58 PM
It never fails to amaze me how these things are broken for some people.

Personally I find that Vista and later make user permissions difficult, whereas show me a Unix box and it's far easier to understand what's wrong!
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: CoastGuardJon on November 08, 2009, 07:04:35 PM
Hi Brian, even MS recognise the fact that Vista ain't so hot!  Hopefully, all may change with Win 7 (trouble is, if it's perfect from a user's point of view, no-one would want to upgrade to Win 8 - or Win 7.08 even ?)
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: vonsmalhausen on November 08, 2009, 07:56:09 PM
Pffff, why Microsoft could'nd let things as they are, with XP; as far as i know, and that is from DOS 3.11, the best and stable Windows version ever.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: bratters on November 08, 2009, 08:24:30 PM
Pffff, why Microsoft could'nd let things as they are, with XP; as far as i know, and that is from DOS 3.11, the best and stable Windows version ever.

The answer in one word is Money.
You've got to have a new product every so often or you go out of business.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: GreekSpy2001 on November 08, 2009, 10:35:59 PM
V3.08 hung

PC had been running for approx 24hrs with v3.08.  This evening had found the program had hung. The machine had been untouched for most of the day so its not a case of me changing any ordering in the myflights table.

Graham
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: MrT on November 09, 2009, 12:24:06 AM
Hi Brian, even MS recognise the fact that Vista ain't so hot!  Hopefully, all may change with Win 7 (trouble is, if it's perfect from a user's point of view, no-one would want to upgrade to Win 8 - or Win 7.08 even ?)

Well said, I agree.

I'm still using XP and don't plan on upgrading (or should that read Downgrading)?
to either Vesta or 7, 8, 9 X ........?

As the old saying goes; "if it aint broke".

Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: naird on November 09, 2009, 01:55:32 AM
Running 3.06 with no problems. Tried to upload 3.08 from your link at the beginning of this thread. Unable to   >>>> anrb(1).exe unable to locatete Component  rb.dll was not found  <<<<<<  is this because I have disabled drivers to run ARNB on Vista!!???

Give me the simple life.

Well great day   Got the 3.08 working on my own...just dropped it in the 3.06 folder.  Phew.  Also no more F8  Thanks AirNav ;-)

Neil
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: GreekSpy2001 on November 09, 2009, 08:37:26 AM
V3.08 hung

PC had been running for approx 24hrs with v3.08.  This evening had found the program had hung. The machine had been untouched for most of the day so its not a case of me changing any ordering in the myflights table.

Graham

Hung again overnight after approx 6 hours.  When starting I sorted on reg and then system was left alone.

Trying again.  will go back to my 3.07 which was working ok if this occurs again.

Graham
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: AirNav Support on November 09, 2009, 08:38:50 AM
Graham,

Check what else is runing and whether you can try another pc. So far nearly everyone else who has run it has given the thumbs up.

We just want to rule out any computer issues.

Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: GreekSpy2001 on November 09, 2009, 09:00:41 AM
The ARNB locked up at around 630am GMT.  I could use task manager to close the app.  The rest of the PC was working fine. The only other program running was JSTARS which was monitoring the port 30003 (think that is the one that you use to push out the data)  Over night a series of backups were running using smartsync pro but this does not backup the airnav directories.  However this was finished by 3am GMT

I run AVG 9 but have excluded the Airnav direstory path.

I have rebooted my machine and running again with ARNB and JSTARS and obviously this browser (Safari v4.0.3)
 
At the moment I only have my work laptop and I have to use to VPN to my office so can't use this until this evening.

HTH

Graham
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: jannuh on November 09, 2009, 10:42:50 AM
Could the hanging come because of the high number of Photo/Info Requests???

Switched yesterdaymorning  the Photo Request to off, but still the counter is at the moment on 770 req. to do, at abt. 1 am (utc) it was zero (yesterday morning counter on 1240)
Have now 145 planes in myflight.

CPU load is slightly higher as "normal" for RB.

You could switch off photo/info request for test.


edit: btw overhere no hanging of the pc (P4 3.2 gHz, 1024 MB RAM)
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Roadrunner on November 09, 2009, 10:49:34 AM
The higher than normal number of photo requests is no doubt due to the network not being available but your local pc is still listing them to be found when contact is finally made with the network. I have only been switched on for about 45 minutes but I already have a waiting count of 98 and increasing quickly. THat is despite having over 5,000 photos in the photos folder of RB.

Mike
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: EK01 on November 09, 2009, 12:17:57 PM
I ,too, cannot manage to install 3.08 beta due to the dreaded 'rb.dll not found' message. Having read replies from various others with the same problem, I have decided to stick with the 3.07 version particularly as AN have said that a full download version of 3.08 which is hopefully going to be bug free (and it looks promising that it will be) will be issued within the next couple of weeks.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: naird on November 09, 2009, 02:31:04 PM
Hi EK01   I popped it (the Air Nav logo  "arnb" ) into my existing AiNav 3.06 folder and that did the trick - drove me nuts too...but I stubbornly plugged away.

Good luck

Neil
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: ANDREJ767 on November 09, 2009, 06:55:14 PM
The only bad thing I've noticed so far in 3.08 is to lost network flights - even it was promissed that this will work for a year for free ....
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: ANDREJ767 on November 09, 2009, 07:13:42 PM
Yes one more thing I found - several false flight ID messages noticed on all Adria Airways CRJs flights - now flight ID are sometimes changed up to 10 times in a minute and none is right,also the same thing with Italian air force Falcons 900EXs.In previous version I used there was no flight IDs for Adria Airways CRJs planes....
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Allocator on November 09, 2009, 09:03:14 PM
I ,too, cannot manage to install 3.08 beta due to the dreaded 'rb.dll not found' message. Having read replies from various others with the same problem, I have decided to stick with the 3.07 version particularly as AN have said that a full download version of 3.08 which is hopefully going to be bug free (and it looks promising that it will be) will be issued within the next couple of weeks.

This is really really simple - I think :-)

You will get the rb.dll not found if you try to run anrb.exe from a directory where rb.dll is not present - and as the rb.dll file is in the default RB directory, then if you have copied the anrb.exe file to the right place, then you won't get this message.

So, rb.dll missing message = anrb.exe not in the same directory as rb.dll
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Fenris on November 09, 2009, 11:37:19 PM
Yes one more thing I found - several false flight ID messages noticed on all Adria Airways CRJs flights - now flight ID are sometimes changed up to 10 times in a minute and none is right,also the same thing with Italian air force Falcons 900EXs.In previous version I used there was no flight IDs for Adria Airways CRJs planes....

RB did not previously decode the particular messages broadcast from things like Embraer, CRJs, Dash 8s etc, in v3.0x it now does decode them.

Not sure why you are seeing flight IDs changing so fast, but it could be a problem with the kit on the aircraft or possibly a problem with the demodulator in the RB hardware I suppose.

As for the lack of network, it's hard to provide that when the server is broken. It is being worked on, but no ETA for it being back yet.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: paagats on November 10, 2009, 12:33:30 AM
Last few days have had a problem with Auto-populate. Thread for the 7th mentioned server problems, is this still a problem?

Peter, Sydney

Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Fenris on November 10, 2009, 12:44:03 AM
Yes, anything requiring server functions will be broken at present.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: GreekSpy2001 on November 10, 2009, 09:19:36 AM
V3.08 hung

PC had been running for approx 24hrs with v3.08.  This evening had found the program had hung. The machine had been untouched for most of the day so its not a case of me changing any ordering in the myflights table.

Graham

OK now run for 24 hours since last hang with no problems!!!  Very strange.  ONly difference being is that I have used the PC for other things at the same time.  And regularly cleared the alert pop ups. 

Graham
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Manuel Mendes on November 10, 2009, 09:48:38 AM
Hi AirNav.
I have a small problem, maybe it's not RB related but maybe you can advise me.
The problem is: I try to download the weather, on SmartView, to have my QNH setting correct with my airport, but my Radar almost freezes when downloading the weather and it after says: "Weather:Not Found".
I've checked the ICAO code and it is correct.
Maybe a server breakdown?
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: AirNav Support on November 10, 2009, 09:55:55 AM
We will check, the server is not 100% yet, its getting there.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: tarbat on November 10, 2009, 10:02:58 AM
Weather request working okay here (EGQK).  Manuel, what ICAO code are you using, I'll test if it works here okay.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: GreekSpy2001 on November 10, 2009, 12:06:17 PM
Every time I start 3.08 I am warned about running AVG.  Every time I answer NO to the question do you want to continue seeing the warning.  And every time time I restart I am warned.  Can this be stopped another way? Is there a registry key to change?

Graham
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: ANDREJ767 on November 10, 2009, 02:46:10 PM
I get false flight IDs also on Lufthansa CRJs and A319s changing letter few times in a minute ....Any idea what should be a reason for that?If I switch back to even version 2.01 I got no flight IDs for CRJs and properly shown flight IDs for Airbus,Boeing .....
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: EK01 on November 10, 2009, 04:08:19 PM
I ,too, cannot manage to install 3.08 beta due to the dreaded 'rb.dll not found' message. Having read replies from various others with the same problem, I have decided to stick with the 3.07 version particularly as AN have said that a full download version of 3.08 which is hopefully going to be bug free (and it looks promising that it will be) will be issued within the next couple of weeks.

This is really really simple - I think :-)

You will get the rb.dll not found if you try to run anrb.exe from a directory where rb.dll is not present - and as the rb.dll file is in the default RB directory, then if you have copied the anrb.exe file to the right place, then you won't get this message.

So, rb.dll missing message = anrb.exe not in the same directory as rb.dll


Allocator,

Getting tired now of trying to load 3.08. No permutation seems to work therefore given up and I will wait for 3.08 full downloadable version to come out. I should add that I am using Vista. What  a useless application Vista is. Wish I had kept my old XP now !
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Manuel Mendes on November 10, 2009, 04:43:10 PM
Weather request working okay here (EGQK).  Manuel, what ICAO code are you using, I'll test if it works here okay.

Hi. I'm using ICAO LPFR.
Thanks for the testing.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: tarbat on November 10, 2009, 04:52:40 PM
Hi. I'm using ICAO LPFR.

I'll test when Airnavs METAR server is back up - it appears to be down at the moment.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: AirNav Development on November 10, 2009, 05:19:20 PM
We are still working on the server...
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: marcdeklerk on November 10, 2009, 06:30:42 PM
Autopopulate not working today also not updating new flight details received and not even downloading photos?
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: ANDREJ767 on November 10, 2009, 08:28:52 PM
I did switched back to old version of RB till the new one will be a bit better .....
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Fenris on November 10, 2009, 08:30:01 PM
I did switched back to old version of RB till the new one will be a bit better .....

The old version requires server access in just the same way as the beta does.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: spikem on November 10, 2009, 09:37:50 PM
Just downloaded 3.08 and installed on vista. Straight replacement of exe file. Runs fine with no errors for me. i may be one of the few but there we go.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Fenris on November 10, 2009, 09:47:32 PM
Yes, me too. I suspect that the problem cases are to do with file location, permissions and possibly UAC.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Jollygreen on November 10, 2009, 11:04:07 PM
Since we now have a signed driver I decided to upgrade from 3.01 to 3.08. Downloaded the new driver and then downloaded the new 3.08 'exe'. Guess what, I also get the dreaded 'rb.dll not found' message.

Just got back from Brussels, it's late, I'm tired..... help

Nigel
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Fenris on November 10, 2009, 11:17:08 PM
Since we now have a signed driver I decided to upgrade from 3.01 to 3.08. Downloaded the new driver and then downloaded the new 3.08 'exe'. Guess what, I also get the dreaded 'rb.dll not found' message.

Where do you have RB installed? I assume you have 64 bit Vista or Windows 7.

What did you do with the 3.08 .exe file? It needs to be saved over the 3.07 exe, you may not have the permissions to do that.

Ensure that the program object is pointing to the correct place. It could be that Windows has moved the file to the virtual store and there is no rb.dll file in that directory.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Jollygreen on November 10, 2009, 11:36:58 PM
Brian

I never loaded 3.07. So do I have to install 3.07 first or do I just copy 3.08 exe into my 3.01 directory

Nigel
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Fenris on November 10, 2009, 11:40:45 PM
I believe that it should work in the 3.01 directory. AFAIK there is only the one changed file, the .exe.

Where do you have it installed? On what OS?
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Jollygreen on November 10, 2009, 11:56:32 PM
Brian

I will try again tomorrow when I am more awake : -)


Nigel
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Fenris on November 11, 2009, 12:05:27 AM
OK, will try to be available if you still have problems.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: BMcL26 on November 11, 2009, 12:08:20 AM
Just installed Windows 7 (Ultimate) 64bit tonight had to do a clean install and naturtally ANRB was one of the fist programmes I resinstalled v 3.08 beta,  Installed the 64 bit drivers and off we went been running for over an hour now without any problems.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: YXUphoto on November 11, 2009, 01:00:35 AM
I have couple of issues.  I upgraded from the 2.01 to 3.06-07-08 beta version.  Since I use Vista, I installed outside of Program Files folder.  After installation I transferred my DB files over to the 3.0x Beta folder.  When I start ANRB.exe it finds the .DB3 files just fine, but tells me they are corrupt and it can't use them.
These files still work fine in the 2.01 installation.  Any ideas?  I have lots of codes that I have painfully added to the DB and wouldn't want to lose them.  The MyLog.db3 seems to function fine.

Second issue:  Is there a way to transfer my Alerts from 2.01 to 3.08?

Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: DaveReid on November 11, 2009, 07:27:47 AM
Second issue:  Is there a way to transfer my Alerts from 2.01 to 3.08?

If you're refering to the list of hex codes/registrations/Flight IDs/etc that you have set up as alerting parameters, then yes, it's s simple process to transfer these.

Just start up 2.01, then copy-and-paste the hex code list, etc into Notepad.  Shut down 2.01, start up 3.08, and paste the data back into the appropriate places.

Job done.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: tarbat on November 11, 2009, 08:48:55 AM
Hi. I'm using ICAO LPFR.

I'll test when Airnavs METAR server is back up - it appears to be down at the moment.

Okay, tested and works okay with LPFR.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Aerotower on November 11, 2009, 11:57:45 AM
My database is being discarded by the database server. Appears only registration, aircraft type and the hex code. Anybody know what's going on?

P. S. I'm losing my database.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: EK01 on November 11, 2009, 01:10:58 PM
When I click on the mode S code in the interface (MY Flights or Network) in order to populate any missing fields, it appears to be working ok apart from not populating the aircraft types field. It just comes up as '...'. Obviously the silhouette field which is related to that is therefore also not populated.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: tarbat on November 11, 2009, 03:04:16 PM
Looks like a server problem.  I've checked a few server lookups manually, and they're returning minimal data about aircraft at the moment.

For example, query currently returns:
OK;http://www.airnavsystems.com/cgi-bin/ANLV_SV/Photo/PA474.jpg;;;;;http://www.airliners.net/L/;PA474;OK;http://www.airnavsystems.com/cgi-bin/ANLV_SV/Photo/PA474,2.jpg;;;;;;PA474

All the entries between the commas are blank.

Previously, this same query would return:
OK;http://www.airnavsystems.com/cgi-bin/ANLV_SV/Photo/PA474.jpg; ;Avro 683 Lancaster B1;UK - Air Force;Ruud Brinks;http://www.airliners.net/photo/UK---Air/Avro-683-Lancaster/1524439/L/;PA474;OK;http://www.airnavsystems.com/cgi-bin/ANLV_SV/Photo/PA474,2.jpg; ;Avro 683 Lancaster B1;UK - Air Force;Gordon Jones - Fast Air Photography;http://www.airliners.net/photo/UK---Air/Avro-683-Lancaster/1546103/L;PA474 
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: ANDREJ767 on November 11, 2009, 03:06:53 PM
Some false flight IDs especially Adria Airways CRJs and some A318/19/20/21 and some B737s ...
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: lordie on November 11, 2009, 04:01:20 PM
just started  up but my picture is nothing lkie the first picture you get on air radarbox help no corridors or zones and no contours  how do i get these
hopeing for some help
john
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Fenris on November 11, 2009, 04:10:58 PM
just started  up but my picture is nothing lkie the first picture you get on air radarbox help no corridors or zones and no contours  how do i get these

If you get the hi res outlines via the links menu at the Radarbox utilities website then add the necessary outlines into your outlines directory they will all appear.

http://radarbox.gofreeserve.com/html/links.html
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: MikeC on November 11, 2009, 04:12:25 PM
Hi John

Did you not see the replies to the same question on the other Forum?
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: bratters on November 11, 2009, 05:04:07 PM
Hi John

Did you not see the replies to the same question on the other Forum?

What other forum is that then?
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: tarbat on November 11, 2009, 05:17:37 PM
What other forum is that then?

I answered John's question at http://radarspotters.eu/forum/index.php/topic,1405.msg10663.html#msg10663

Not sure whether he just didn't see the answer, or not understand it.

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=2897 is a write-up on how to use the outlines from sbs-resources ( http://www.sbs-resources.com/ ) in Radarbox.  It covers airfield outlines, but equally applies to all types of outline.

Airways are in the C:\SBS-resources\Files\AWYL (lower airways) and C:\SBS-resources\Files\AWYU (upper airways) folders.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: MikeC on November 11, 2009, 05:26:17 PM
Hi John

Did you not see the replies to the same question on the other Forum?

What other forum is that then?

I can't tell you as AirNav has repeatedly asked me not to mention the name of the Forum.  And since quite a number of people have already offered John help on that forum, I was trying to avoid duplication, that's all.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: bratters on November 11, 2009, 07:04:42 PM
Did you not see the replies to the same question on the other Forum?

I may be a bit obtuse but if a member asks a "technical" question on this forum, it seems to me that any answers may be of interest to some of the rest of us. As such I expect them to appear here. That is after all the general idea of a forum, is it not?

What on earth is the point of saying the answer lies on another (secret) forum and then justifying this utter nonsense as trying to "avoid duplication?"  Duplication for whom? Not the guys reading this page, that's for sure.

Wouldn't be someone using one forum to promote another by any chance?

(Thanks tarbat for some clarification)







Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: radarspotter10 on November 11, 2009, 07:11:29 PM
Did you not see the replies to the same question on the other Forum?

I may be a bit obtuse but if a member asks a "technical" question on this forum, it seems to me that any answers may be of interest to some of the rest of us. As such I expect them to appear here. That is after all the general idea of a forum, is it not?

What on earth is the point of saying the answer lies on another (secret) forum and then justifying this utter nonsense as trying to "avoid duplication?"  Duplication for whom? Not the guys reading this page, that's for sure.

Wouldn't be someone using one forum to promote another by any chance?

(Thanks tarbat for some clarification)








hi bratters
Your 100% correct hes here to promote his site, but it looks like airnav are scared of anmer and his vulture site.
from pat not scared
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: MikeC on November 11, 2009, 07:29:05 PM
Wouldn't be someone using one forum to promote another by any chance?

As it happens I wasn't trying to promote another forum. 

John asked the same question yesterday and received a number of helpful answers, mostly from members of this forum.  It was likely he'd get the same answers here and it was possible that John was either not reading the replies or didn't understand them and would be no further forward.  It's also common practice to post links to other sources but I didn't want to do that and cause an issue for AirNav.

You can read what you like into my post but I suspect some here have preconceived, though incorrect views as to my motive.

Nothing I posted would have prevented anyone else replying to John, as did Tarbat, so you can rest assured on that score.  And let's not forget, it was you who asked "What other forum is that then?"

No matter what I post, there are those who look for hidden agendas and are only interested in stirring things up.   But it won't deter me.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Squad 701 on November 11, 2009, 09:52:17 PM
Hi all, I've gone with all of the Beta releases so far with just the obvious noted faults, but with this release when I open AirNav the map is always minimised,
can anybody help me in correcting this, thanks in advance.
Cheers.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: tarbat on November 11, 2009, 10:10:23 PM
Get the window how you want it to look, and then select Window - Record from menu.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Squad 701 on November 11, 2009, 10:20:36 PM
Get the window how you want it to look, and then select Window - Record from menu.

Cheers Tarbat, the ignorant is again educated ;-)
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Peter45 on November 13, 2009, 11:52:59 PM
Tramline,

This is a beta version not a full version so we are looking for people with some technical knowledge to help us find issues. If you are not a techincal user it may be best to wait untill the full version is released.

When we release beta sometimes with full installs lots of people download who don't actually understand the term "Beta" and over load support.

A Beta version is also not fully supported as well, its main taks are to indentify issues and confirm functions are working as it should.

Hello Airnav Support,
I am not a wizz-kid ( almost 65 year ) so i will wait until the final version is ready ;-).
Bud my question is, can you fix the Dutch coastline in the western part of the Netherlands e.g. Zeeland and in the northern part the "Wadden eilanden"??
The latest are all dissapeard.....

Thanks in advance.

Peter
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: ACW367 on November 14, 2009, 01:04:47 PM
Peter, Airnav has a relatively low-res worldwide coastline because of bandwidth.  You can download a hi-res European coastline from this website (you have to install a small programme to allow the download) http://www.sbs-resources.com/downloads/index.html

If you do download the outline, you will need to disable the default states outline on the general signs tab.  If you are unsure how to use outlines, refer to http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=58.0 or the outlines thread http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=717.0
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Peter45 on November 14, 2009, 04:42:51 PM
Peter, Airnav has a relatively low-res worldwide coastline because of bandwidth.  You can download a hi-res European coastline from this website (you have to install a small programme to allow the download) http://www.sbs-resources.com/downloads/index.html

If you do download the outline, you will need to disable the default states outline on the general signs tab.  If you are unsure how to use outlines, refer to http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=58.0 or the outlines thread http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=717.0
Hi ACW367, many thanks for the excelent tips. It works and my countryborders are correct now.
The next " minor problem" is, how can I filling-in de land colors between  the "new" borderlines ;-))
Perhaps I can ask my youngest grand-daughter to do this.......

Best regards, nice weekend.

Peter
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: RodBearden on November 14, 2009, 05:28:06 PM
Peter - if you find out, do let us know - no-one round here knows a way of doing this!

Rod
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: dwilder on November 15, 2009, 03:03:23 PM
Now that the 64bit drivers are available, i'd like to try RB 3.08b.

However, I can only find the upgrade patch from 3.0? to 3.08 and not a full install.

Any idea where this is kept?

Dan
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: RodBearden on November 15, 2009, 03:22:39 PM
Here's the full install of 3.07 - http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=3582.msg34977#msg34977 (http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=3582.msg34977#msg34977)  install the upgrade after you've done the full install.

Rod
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Dan on November 15, 2009, 05:57:22 PM
Hi All ,

With 3.08 Beta the transfert between My flights  and  Real Time Network flights takes  several minutes whereas in 3.06 Beta the transfert is really perfect .
When checking flights into EBBR I'am loosing  the aircraft in  My Flights when they are about 2000ft asl . With version 3.06 Beta about 20 to 30 seconds ( max.) later they show up  again via Real Time Network. With version 3.08 Beta they never show up or sometimes minutes later when they allready have landed  .
Using the same settings for :
My Flight Time out = 20              Network Flights Time out = 75
               Hide      =  5                                    Hide       =  5
In the meantime I switched back to 3.06 Beta because it is a joy to use Real Time Network .
Rgds
Dan.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Allocator on November 15, 2009, 06:20:22 PM
Real-time is fine for me with Beta V3.08 watching all the traffic around Heathrow, Gatwick, Stansted etc and the transfer is seamless.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Dan on November 15, 2009, 08:17:20 PM
Alocator,
Thank You for your reply.
I also thought transfert was seamless until I checked it on EBBR arrivals where the time between loss of aircraft in My Flights and actual landing of that aircraft is minimum . But with Beta v3.06 it is working perfectly . I am losing aircraft at abt 2000ft and they show up again in Real Network maximum 30s  later on an altitude of abt 1700ft.

In Beta v3.08 it seems that the transfert time is greater than 3mins  ( alt. 2000ft /  700ft/min ) so they do not show up via Real Network because they have landed  allready.

To upgrade to Beta v3.08 I only replaced the V.3.06exe by the V3.08exe file . I did not upgrade to V3.07Beta  in between . Maybe this has to do something with it...

How far are you located from those airport and at what altitude are you losing aircraft in  My Flights ?
Rgds
Dan.

Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: RodBearden on November 15, 2009, 09:04:30 PM
Dan - it is recommended that you go to 3.08 via 3.07 - do the full install of 3.07 then the upgrade - you might get a different outcome.

Rod
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Dan on November 16, 2009, 10:27:01 AM
Rod ,
Thank You for yr reply.

1. Complete Uninstall of  Beta v.3.06 .
2. Complete install    of  Beta  v.3.07.
    Everything working perfect with seamless transfert  ( about 30 Secs. )

3. Replaced v.3.07exe  by  v.3.08exe .
    Transfert time between My Flights and  Real Network  about 4 a 5 minutes.

I am running now Beta v.3.07Beta .

Rgds
Dan
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: porter on November 16, 2009, 12:06:40 PM
    Transfert time between My Flights and  Real Network  about 4 a 5 minutes.

Sound like you don't have the real-time network.  Does it say "Real Time Network: 00:20 to Update"?
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Dan on November 16, 2009, 07:10:01 PM
Hi Porter ,

I have the Real Time Network and it says indeed  "Real Time Network: 00:20 to Update"? .
In the direction  Real Time Network to " My flights "  the transfert is correct .

Thanks/Regards
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Fenris on November 16, 2009, 10:53:34 PM
I take it that those saying "it's OK" have checked it in both directions?
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: airman on November 17, 2009, 02:38:19 PM
Hi,
I am always in 3.06, but no way to get the other versions as 3.07 and 3.08.
Where is the correct adress to get them?
Thanks
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: GreekSpy2001 on November 17, 2009, 02:44:32 PM
 
Hi,
I am always in 3.06, but no way to get the other versions as 3.07 and 3.08.
Where is the correct adress to get them?
Thanks

The 3.08 link is on the first page of this thread

graham
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: GreekSpy2001 on November 17, 2009, 02:47:26 PM
Alerts

For the record running 3.08 on Win7 Ultimate 64bit without any problems. Except my perennial problem with Alerts not always showing the pop up message when a registration matches my alert list.

cheers

Graham
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: airman on November 17, 2009, 02:51:35 PM
Thanks Graham for your reply,
but the concerned page is reported unreachable!
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: YXUphoto on November 17, 2009, 02:51:57 PM
I need help with a fairly serious problem regarding RadarBox 2009 (running 3.08 beta).
I sometimes run the software continuously for several days before I restart it.  Well, today I did that and all my entries in the NavData.db3 that have accumulated since Nov 11 (the last NavData.db3.bak) to today are gone.  I have spent hours inputting information and now it is gone.
Can someone please explain to me how this is possible?  Is there any use in updating the DB using Database Explorer?

I also have a RadarBox 2.0 installed on the system, would this cause any problems?

What would make the software revert to the backup version?  I had no issues with the DB while I was using it.  Shouldn't there be some sort of warning when there is a problem with the NavData.db3?


Please and thank you.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Fenris on November 17, 2009, 03:14:47 PM
I think this will have been down to problems with the server. It seems that somehow when it did not receive the correct data from the various databases it uses it then repopulated our navdata.db3 with empty fields.

At least, that is what several reports have said here.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: DaveReid on November 17, 2009, 03:20:09 PM
I think this will have been down to problems with the server. It seems that somehow when it did not receive the correct data from the various databases it uses it then repopulated our navdata.db3 with empty fields.

At least, that is what several reports have said here.

Yes, AirNav's recommended fix (apparently it was only certain users who were affected?) was to disable the download of aircraft details/photos.

Probably too late to help now for those who didn't follow that advice ...
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: YXUphoto on November 17, 2009, 03:26:09 PM
I think this will have been down to problems with the server. It seems that somehow when it did not receive the correct data from the various databases it uses it then repopulated our navdata.db3 with empty fields.

At least, that is what several reports have said here.

Yes, AirNav's recommended fix (apparently it was only certain users who were affected?) was to disable the download of aircraft details/photos.

Probably too late to help now for those who didn't follow that advice ...

If I disable the download of Aircraft details/photos will I still be getting my Reg/Airplane info/Photo show up on new Mode-S entries?
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: AirNav Support on November 17, 2009, 03:36:15 PM
The server is now fixed so there is no need to do that now.

We apologise to those who have had issues.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: YXUphoto on November 17, 2009, 03:44:48 PM
Wish there was more control over the NavData.db3.  It appears that at any time all your updates can disappear.  As I have found out, even backing it up doesn't seem to do much good, because RB software will refuse the backups and revert to old versions.

Maybe this is asking too much, but is there program that would allow me to copy and paste data from/to NavData.db3 in large blocks?  Sort of like a spreadsheet, instead of just one item at a time using Database Explorer.

In that case I could keep my own list that I could paste back into NavData.db3 if/when my info disappears again.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: tarbat on November 17, 2009, 03:50:04 PM
YXUphoto, I've never lost any database updates.

What operating system are you running?  And what folder is Radarbox installed to?
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: YXUphoto on November 17, 2009, 03:52:35 PM
Using Vista 32bit Basic.  After reading about the issues with accessing files that are installed to C:\Program Files I re-installed everything on D:\Radar Box 2009.

Don't think this is an issue with OS, it seems to me more an issue with the software.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: AirNav Support on November 17, 2009, 03:58:06 PM
If you have backups of the database and copy them back in it will use them as normal. If you have copied it into the correct RB folder, we are not sure how they will use older versions when they shouldn't exist anymore?
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: YXUphoto on November 17, 2009, 04:02:39 PM
I know, it doesn't make much sense.  I had an issue with that when I went from RB 2.0 to 3.06 beta where I would get a message (can't remember the exact wording) that said this DB is unusable.  I tried forcing the ANRB to use the new info by deleting the backup as well....or even creating my own new backup.

I'm not new to computers....I have been playing with things since MS-DOS and even did a bit of programming, so this is pretty frustrating to me.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: YXUphoto on November 17, 2009, 04:08:38 PM
Don't want to get too much off topic here....but just had an idea that would help me (and probably other RB users) with updates.

When you aren't connected to the network (I take my RB out when I go spotting at the airport and don't have internet available), it would be nice if ANRB could fill-in missing info even after it no loner tracks a particular Mode-S code.  Maybe have a button in the Database Editor that would retrieve the info from the network for a particular code (obviously the Mode-S code would have to get recorded in the NavData.db3 even if the Reg. wasn't know).

Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: AirNav Support on November 17, 2009, 04:10:15 PM
There is the populate function which does exactly that in MyLog :)
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: YXUphoto on November 17, 2009, 04:33:47 PM
Updating the MyLog is nice...but does nothing to help you update the NavData.db3.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: tarbat on November 17, 2009, 04:40:53 PM
Updating the MyLog is nice...but does nothing to help you update the NavData.db3.

MyLog - Populate should also update your Navdata database.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: YXUphoto on November 17, 2009, 04:54:04 PM
Thanks for the info....this was really helpful.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: YXUphoto on November 17, 2009, 05:12:24 PM
One more Q:  If you have just the Registrations (no mode-s code) in the DB...will it update all the info as well?
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Allocator on November 17, 2009, 06:37:17 PM
You can't have just the registrations without the Mode S code in the DB.  You can have Mode S without the registration - as RB detects the Mode S code then adds the registration info either from the database or by autopopulation.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: radarspotter10 on November 17, 2009, 07:18:48 PM
hi.
Anybody know the link to download the 3.08
thanks using new laptop
from pat
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: airman on November 17, 2009, 07:20:29 PM
Sorry to reply, but anyone is able to give me the right acces to release 3.08
The adress in head of this threat is not valid
Thanks
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: YXUphoto on November 17, 2009, 07:44:16 PM
You can't have just the registrations without the Mode S code in the DB.  You can have Mode S without the registration - as RB detects the Mode S code then adds the registration info either from the database or by autopopulation.

That is what I figured.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: YXUphoto on November 17, 2009, 07:46:50 PM
Well....my experimentation with ANRB is still causing me grief.

Once again, after closing ANRB and starting it again, all updated info in the NavData.db3 is gone.  This doesn't seem reasonable.

Is there something I'm missing?  Am I suppose to manually save it somehow?  Maybe export it and then import it again?  I'm at my wits end.

I also did an experiment by adding all the Emirates A380s....Mode-S codes and all.  Well, after closing ANRB and restarting it again...all this info was gone.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Allocator on November 17, 2009, 07:57:49 PM
YXUphoto - there does seem to be a bit of a time lag before the manual updates are saved to the DB proper.  If you make changes then immediately shut down RB and open it again, RB might not have saved the datails - maybe some sort of cache going on there?

After you have manually added a record using Database Explorer, shut down Database Explorer but leave RB running.  Open DB Explorer again and search for your new record by mode s - can you see it?

You are using Database Explorer are you, and not just editing records in MyLog?
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Aerotower on November 17, 2009, 09:32:11 PM
with rb 3.08beta there are still some planes in duplicate
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Allocator on November 17, 2009, 09:34:06 PM
Never seen this in any version of the RB software on any of my PC's - it's an odd one.

I see that these are different aircraft though, with just the same Flight ID - crew failing to update the ID?
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: pjm on November 17, 2009, 09:38:25 PM
for whatever reason they are 2 separate aircraft as far as the software is concerned (not duplicate),

i.e.

400FF3 and
400FE3

(http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/3456/20091118083537.jpg)
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Aerotower on November 17, 2009, 09:49:23 PM
Ok, this was not the best example ,I looked at the number of flight and not to the actual airplane. But on Monday showed some aircraft duplicate.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: YXUphoto on November 17, 2009, 10:22:26 PM
YXUphoto - there does seem to be a bit of a time lag before the manual updates are saved to the DB proper.  If you make changes then immediately shut down RB and open it again, RB might not have saved the datails - maybe some sort of cache going on there?

After you have manually added a record using Database Explorer, shut down Database Explorer but leave RB running.  Open DB Explorer again and search for your new record by mode s - can you see it?

You are using Database Explorer are you, and not just editing records in MyLog?

Yes, I'm editing the DB using Database Explorer, not just filling in empty spots in MyLog.
It doesn't seem to make any difference how long it has been since the DB was appended, the data disappears anyway.  Maybe someone could suggest a test I could perform to narrow down the cause of this problem.

Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: AirNav Support on November 17, 2009, 10:24:30 PM
Find the Navdata file you copied across and right click on it and check that its not read only. If for some reason when you made a backup copy its become read only that would explain why records are not being saved to it.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: YXUphoto on November 17, 2009, 11:00:43 PM
Find the Navdata file you copied across and right click on it and check that its not read only. If for some reason when you made a backup copy its become read only that would explain why records are not being saved to it.

I checked all the permissions, and WRITE permission was enabled.

Closed the Editor, waited about 10 mins before closing RB.  Restarted RB and all new data is gone.

Checked the date on NavData.db3 file and it is back to Oct. 10 2009 date.  (Just before I closed it, it was saying current date of Nov. 17 2009).

MyLog.db3 is still fine at Nov 17 2009 date.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Allocator on November 17, 2009, 11:03:49 PM
A Vista virtual store problem maybe?

Just been making changes to NavData.db3 and the date for this and MyLog is 17 Nov 2009
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: YXUphoto on November 17, 2009, 11:11:22 PM
So....I'm starting to narrow down the symptoms of this issue.

It appears that the NavData.db3.BAK is getting loaded, not the actual NavData.db3

When I exit RB the saved NavData.db3 has new date (17-11-2009).  When I open RB the date goes back to the same one as NavData.db3.BAK (20-10-2009).
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: YXUphoto on November 17, 2009, 11:13:21 PM
A Vista virtual store problem maybe?

Just been making changes to NavData.db3 and the date for this and MyLog is 17 Nov 2009

My RadarBox 2009 isn't installed in C:\Program Files.
I put it on separate drive and different folder D:\Radar Box 2009

I was under the impression only Software installed in C:\Program Files has to deal with the Vista Virtual Store.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Fenris on November 17, 2009, 11:36:15 PM
Yes, you have indeed installed it in the place you should.

No clear idea on why you are suffering this way.

If I think of anything I will comment further. You might look for software that can monitor the files a program has open, the mode they're opened in etc. I could give you a clue....
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Aerotower on November 17, 2009, 11:47:07 PM
  repeated flights in the report

 3410C7  IBE3105  LEMD-LPPT       EC-FDB  A320  Oneworld (Iberia)    2009/11/17 21:08:32 
   3410C7  IBE3105  LEMD-LPPT       EC-FDB  A320  Oneworld (Iberia)    2009/11/17 21:32:24 
   3410C7  IBE3106  LEMD-LPPT       EC-FDB  A320  Oneworld (Iberia)    2009/11/17 19:30:03 
   3410C7  IBE3106  LEMD-LPPT       EC-FDB  A320  Oneworld (Iberia)    2009/11/17 21:30:24
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Fenris on November 17, 2009, 11:50:53 PM
That happens if the flight timed out and then reappeared after the remove time.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: YXUphoto on November 18, 2009, 12:11:48 AM
Yes, you have indeed installed it in the place you should.

No clear idea on why you are suffering this way.

If I think of anything I will comment further. You might look for software that can monitor the files a program has open, the mode they're opened in etc. I could give you a clue....


Maybe you could recommend software that would help me track this information.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Fenris on November 18, 2009, 01:20:04 AM
I don't know any off the top of my head, not sure if you can still get the SysInternals tools any more, they were bought up by Microsoft.

Correction, you could look here and see if Process Monitor will do this:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896642.aspx

or maybe Diskmon.

I'd try the former, it's been updated recently and appears to be able to show file activity.


Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: YXUphoto on November 18, 2009, 04:28:23 AM
I downloaded the utility.....I got it working and now I'm monitoring ANRB.EXE.

Out of curiosity...what are the MyLog.db3-journal and NavData.db3-journal files that open up during RB operation?

So far everything looks OK...but then again not sure what I'm looking for.

All the files I'm concerned about are opening up just fine.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: msteen on November 18, 2009, 08:29:56 AM
I'm trying to download the beta, but only comes up with this page:

The file or page you are looking for might have been removed,
 had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable.

    *

      Make sure you entered the correct address
    *

      Open our home page www.airnavsystems.com and try to look for links to the information you want
    *

      Click the Back button on your browser and try another link
    *

      If the problem persists please contact us

Can anyone come up with a solution for this ? Has the beta been removed for some reason ?
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: radarspotter10 on November 18, 2009, 11:44:42 AM
I'm trying to download the beta, but only comes up with this page:

The file or page you are looking for might have been removed,
 had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable.

    *

      Make sure you entered the correct address
    *

      Open our home page www.airnavsystems.com and try to look for links to the information you want
    *

      Click the Back button on your browser and try another link
    *

      If the problem persists please contact us

Can anyone come up with a solution for this ? Has the beta been removed for some reason ?
i have ask this to, got no answer, still waiting airnav
from pat
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: AirNav Support on November 18, 2009, 12:03:52 PM
We are aware of this. We should be releasing a newer version soon so just holding back at the moment with this one.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: radarspotter10 on November 18, 2009, 12:13:58 PM
We are aware of this. We should be releasing a newer version soon so just holding back at the moment with this one.
thanks airnav.
thursday????? i like surprizes
from pat
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: YXUphoto on November 18, 2009, 01:11:31 PM
As mentioned before, I'm trying to solve my own unique problem with RB.  Anyone know what the flies MyLog.db3-journal and NavData.db3-journal are used for while RB is running? (they seem to disappear once the program is closed).
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: tarbat on November 18, 2009, 01:48:12 PM
My understanding is that they contain updates to the databases that haven't been committed yet.  These files should always remain quite small (10-50k for example).

If they start getting big, it would suggest that there's a problem updating the main databases.

More info. on the journals at http://www.sqlite.org/tempfiles.html
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: YXUphoto on November 18, 2009, 03:07:52 PM
Well....my ordeal with NavData.db3 continues.  For some reason, it still keeps reverting to the NavData.db3.BAK file.   For the past 2 hours I have spent updating the DB using Database Explorer....now the updates are gone again (along with any new flights that were in there while I was working on it).

This really doesn't make sense to me.  I even suspected that this is caused by using the X to close the program in the upper right corner instead of the FILE---EXIT from the menus.

Is there a way to find out why RB rejects the NavData.db3 and loads NavData.db3.bak instead?
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: tarbat on November 18, 2009, 05:02:28 PM
Just one thought.  How is the partition formatted where the databases are located?  If using NTFS in Vista, it could be something to do with Transactional NTFS.

I had a problem back in my SBS1 days, when the log file would appear to never get updated until the program exit, simply because Transactional NTFS was never told to commit the updates.  See http://www.kinetic-avionics.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?p=42098#42098 and http://groups.yahoo.com/group/planeplotter/message/3016

I run my Radarbox (and Planeplotter, etc.) on a FAT32 formatted partition.  Might be worth a try if nobody has any other suggestions.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Fenris on November 18, 2009, 05:50:02 PM
I run RB on Vista with NTFS, I don't believe I've ever seen this problem.

I can't say I'm familiar with any NTFS options that might apply, but I have not heard of this problem from anyone else so if there are any they are rarely applied.

Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: YXUphoto on November 18, 2009, 08:09:49 PM
Just one thought.  How is the partition formatted where the databases are located?  If using NTFS in Vista, it could be something to do with Transactional NTFS.

I had a problem back in my SBS1 days, when the log file would appear to never get updated until the program exit, simply because Transactional NTFS was never told to commit the updates.  See http://www.kinetic-avionics.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?p=42098#42098 and http://groups.yahoo.com/group/planeplotter/message/3016

I run my Radarbox (and Planeplotter, etc.) on a FAT32 formatted partition.  Might be worth a try if nobody has any other suggestions.

Interesting idea about the NTFS.  Somehow I think it isn't the problem here, if it was, the problem would be more wide spread.  I'm starting to think that the problem is with the number of entries I have added or modified manually.

That brings up another question I was thinking of asking....if I manually tell RB to Populate the entries (under the MyLog window), is it normal to see around 800-1000 that need to be updated?  Also wondering how long does the process take?  There isn't much feedback as to whether it has finished with the update or not.  How does RB determine what needs updating and what doesn't?  How about registrations that are no longer accurate (for example new plane with previously used registration)?

thanks.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Allocator on November 18, 2009, 08:12:55 PM
Sounds like a lot.  I've just used MyLog Populate and I've got a total 213 to populate.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Aerotower on November 18, 2009, 09:25:09 PM
The HZ-102 did not appear in the report, because there is an error in MyLog?

Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Allocator on November 18, 2009, 09:34:47 PM
It's in my report.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Aerotower on November 18, 2009, 09:37:33 PM
but not on mine

   4B1697  SWR208A                  HB-IOL  A321  Swiss Internation... 2009/11/18 11:23:49 
   4B16A0  BER601Q                  HB-IOU  A320  Belair Airlines      2009/11/18 14:43:25 
   4B18FC  SWR92K                   HB-JMA  A343  Swiss Internation... 2009/11/18 00:26:45 
   4B1A53  EZS1450  LPPT-LSGG       HB-JZF  A319  EasyJet Airline      2009/11/18 19:48:00 
   4B1A53  EZS1544  GCLP-LSGG       HB-JZF  A319  EasyJet Airline      2009/11/18 13:17:54 
   4B1A53  EZS449V                  HB-JZF  A319  EasyJet Airline      2009/11/18 18:20:11 
   300359                           I-AIGH  B762  Air Italy            2009/11/18 13:02:50 
   300189  NOS810                   I-NEOT  B738  Neos                 2009/11/18 11:39:52 
   4784C0  NAX1816  ENGM-GCLP       LN-NOF  B738  Norwegian Air Shu... 2009/11/18 13:39:14 
   4784C0  NAX1817  GCLP-ENGM       LN-NOF  B738  Norwegian Air Shu... 2009/11/18 18:28:42 
   4785DF  NAX1802  ENGM-LEMG       LN-NOQ  B738  Norwegian Air Shu... 2009/11/18 13:19:41 
   4785DF  NAX1803  LEMG-ENGM       LN-NOQ  B738  Norwegian Air Shu... 2009/11/18 15:02:16 
   47840C  SAS4698  GCLP-ENGM       LN-RRL  B738  Star Alliance (Sc... 2009/11/18 17:09:31 
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Aerotower on November 18, 2009, 11:51:18 PM
Staff have a problem, edited the Mylog.db3.bak with the RB to run and now my flights today do not appear, what can I do?
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: AirNav Support on November 18, 2009, 11:52:26 PM
Sorry, why did you edit the bak file? and do you mean RB was in running in the background while doing it?
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Aerotower on November 18, 2009, 11:56:26 PM
Sorry, why did you edit the bak file? and do you mean RB was in running in the background while doing it?
Edited because there was a flight that did not appear in the report for having an incorrect date.
Yes, the RadarBox was running.

And then I hung up and then reconnected the RB did not show up anything, nor flight, nor the map, or connecting flights, nothing ...


P.S-If you want I can send the files to see what happened.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Aerotower on November 19, 2009, 12:40:14 AM
I lost the data of the day 18/11/2009
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: tarbat on November 19, 2009, 08:43:08 AM
Interesting idea about the NTFS.  Somehow I think it isn't the problem here, if it was, the problem would be more wide spread.  I'm starting to think that the problem is with the number of entries I have added or modified manually.

One other thing to check - file permissions.  Check, for example, that the databases aren't read-only.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: YXUphoto on November 19, 2009, 02:39:27 PM
It has already been suggested, and all permissions are OK.  I have worked out a work-around to my dilemma.

Every time I exit RB, the NavData.db3 file gets updated....so I created a little BAT file (my MS-DOS days came in handy) to copy NavData.db3 to NavData.db3.bak.

Now when I open RB again...even if it loads the BAK file it has the same info as the original.....haven't had a problem since...except if I forget to do the copy.

Maybe there is something in RB that could fix that problem...but not sure what.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Jonathan.G on November 22, 2009, 10:30:13 PM
Hello ! the link are dead !!

PAGE NOT FOUND

where i can download the ANRB 3.08 ?? thanks !!
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: Jeremy on November 22, 2009, 10:33:38 PM
Airnav are about to release v.3.1, due last week, so I expect they have removed the file.
J.
Title: Re: AirNav RadarBox 2009 - 3.08 Beta - Released
Post by: AirNav Development on November 23, 2009, 01:24:30 AM
Topic locked due to the release of "AirNav RadarBox 3.11 Beta".
Discussion continues on the thread below:
http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=3867.0