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AirNav RadarBox and RadarBox24.com => AirNav RadarBox and RadarBox24.com Discussion => Topic started by: sterigia on October 12, 2009, 06:45:53 PM
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wrong plane or wrong position? ezy6497 from egnt to lkpr newcastle to prague. see the attached file
someone has an explanation?
frank
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Or wrong Flight ID not reset by the crew?
I don't have EZY6497 in my routes database. A Google search suggests that this flight is from Newcastle to Malta, and the return flight is EZY6498?
http://www.chevron.co.uk/malta/winter-flights-malta.asp
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another just now london to turin over the med ryr04d
frank
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same crew?
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I don't have EZY6497 in my routes database. A Google search suggests that this flight is from Newcastle to Malta, and the return flight is EZY6498?
http://www.chevron.co.uk/malta/winter-flights-malta.asp
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dont know what to say. they were both in direct reception and not moving on the screen. then they disappeared from the map without moving
frank
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wrong plane or wrong position? ezy6497 from egnt to lkpr newcastle to prague. see the attached file
someone has an explanation?
I do not know where you get your informations from.....
Look what FlightStats say about this today below. I think the plane was showed correctly on your RB screen. I saw an Air Malta enroute from Malta to Amsterdam on your screen as well....
Next time you should do some more research before complain on this.
(http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp18/Bierboum/Screenshots/EZY6497.jpg)
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i got my info from the program display as you can see from the screenies. i am not complaining for once. i just needed an explanation for a plane apparently off course.
regards
frank
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isn't this in the wrong position?
frank
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Frank,
I think that there are a few questions here. Firstly, the route shown by RadarBox depends upon the Flight ID. The Flight ID is set by the aircrew, so there are a number of possibilities here:
- First, some of the routes you are showing are not in my database, so how did they get into your database? Did you enter them manually, or did they autopopulate?
- If the crew have set the wrong Flight ID, or have not changed it for the next leg of the route, then it will give a wrong route
- Or of course, the location of the aircraft on your RB map might be wrong, but I think that this is the least likely of the possibilities.
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i did not enter anything manually, i am not so skilled so it must have been an autopoulate thing.
if the crew did not change flight id then how do i get wrong coordinates and wrong displays on my map via direct reception. does the aircraft give out wrong coordinates? there is something i am missing and do not understand well
saluti
frank
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isn't this in the wrong position?
I am sorry but I think the position is correct. Flight TOM8BH is LIRN-EGCC so it looks the position is correct. I think your flight-database need some maintenance!
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I think that there are a few questions here. Firstly, the route shown by RadarBox depends upon the Flight ID. The Flight ID is set by the aircrew, so there are a number of possibilities here:
- First, some of the routes you are showing are not in my database, so how did they get into your database? Did you enter them manually, or did they autopopulate?
- If the crew have set the wrong Flight ID, or have not changed it for the next leg of the route, then it will give a wrong route
- Or of course, the location of the aircraft on your RB map might be wrong, but I think that this is the least likely of the possibilities.
There is no mystery here.
The AirNav server autopopulates EZY6497 as EGNT-LKPR (Newcastle-Prague) so if you don't have the correct Newcastle-Malta route in your local database that's what you'll get.
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Well said John
Some people just love to focus on the negatives and forget about all the superb positive features of the radarbox!!
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what must i do then, help appreciated, the database came with the program, freshly installed
frank
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dumpty i am NOT complaining i just am asking for some help on something i noticed looked wrong. excuse me if i don't know everything.
frank
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what must i do then, help appreciated, the database came with the program, freshly installed
Well all you can do is to search the database for the flight number and change the route information to reflect the real route. Make sure you check your sources carefully.
I think that if you do this and all the information in the record is complete (don't forget to change the time/date part) then RB won't go and look up the routing again for about 6 months.
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seems like a long job, anyway where is the database located and how do i edit it, and above all which are my sources
thanks
frank
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seems like a long job, anyway where is the database located and how do i edit it, and above all which are my sources
The database is navdata.db3, you can use the Database Explorer entry on the File... menu to open it. There are various records stored, I don't have it open in front of me but naturally you will want to search in flight IDs.
As for sources, well anything from airline timetables to specialist web sites I suppose, personally I've not really gone looking for route information.
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what must i do then,
Frank: As I said before: maintain your database! You have seen above that two flight-id's not have te correct route. So, start to change (edit in your File > database-explorer > (select) routes) this two flight-id's with the correct information and you have solved your first two problems....
Sources to check flight-id's:
http://www.flytecomm.com/cgi-bin/trackflight (unfortunatenly out of order this days)
http://www.flightstats.com/go/FlightStatus/flightStatusByRoute.do
Fenris: you are totally right; I am exactly working as you described and is no problem for RB. This is what I mean with "maintain your database" if you want to have the most actuall flight information on your screen and in your reports.
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I will add that I have not spotted any incorrect routes, but then I don't spend every minute looking at aircraft and checking their flight paths in comparison to their displayed route.
If you're not happy, then you have the tools to fix it, one flight ID at a time.
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thanks for the help. i will get around to correcting them when i have enough time . its not such a big issue. at least now i know why, i think.
again thanks
frank
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OK Frank, like Brian I don't look at every route but as you have said, if you see one that is very wrong then you will notice it :-)
I think that maintaining an accurate route database will be a very big job, I know that John spends a lot of time on this as it is important to him. Hopefully now you have a little more understanding of how the routes work.
Enjoy your RadarBox and don't be afraid to ask more questions - we all have our own special requirements for RB!
Regards
Allocator
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ok thanks for the help.
one last question why is the info wrong to start with? i do not spend much time looking at flights as i have a demanding job and a family that come first, even though my pc is on most of the time, i just noticed something odd. thats all.
frank
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I'm not sure that there is a 100% route database anywhere in the world - other than the ATC computer database and we're not going to get access to that. The same applies to the aircraft registration database. The data just isn't available to the general public for free.
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I think I'm right in saying that when airlines change from summer to winter schedules and vice versa, they will re-allocate flight numbers to different routes. October is when a lot of them will change, as will be April/May.
So the problem is at its worst at the moment :-(
Rod
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I'm not sure that there is a 100% route database anywhere in the world - other than the ATC computer database and we're not going to get access to that.
Allocator:
That is an other story. I know that. But for years since there are ICAO-callsign's I call this ridiculous; this air of secrecy.
Why should this not be public? As said: I am asking me this for many years.......
I think I'm right in saying that when airlines change from summer to winter schedules and vice versa, they will re-allocate flight numbers to different routes.
Rod:
You are totally right. Many companies working so. DLH re-allocate ALL there flight-id's every new season until sofar.......... I give up that for some years ago. Most of the DLH flights are going over my screen without route information because of that....
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DLH re-allocate ALL there flight-id's every new season until sofar..........
I think that's a bit of an exaggeration.
DLH9U departed EGLL for EDDF a couple of hours ago - I've been picking up that same flight pretty well every day since I started my current log in March 2006.
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DLH9U departed EGLL for EDDF a couple of hours ago - I've been picking up that same flight pretty well every day since I started my current log in March 2006.
Dave,
Could be. I stopped following DLH flights since that time because of the above mentionde reason. With the exeption of DLH flights to/from EHAM.
Thanks to a nice employe of DLH in the Netherlands I got until last year all the decodes. They changed every new "timetable season".
It is good for you not having to change so much numbers every time there comes out a new timetable. So I will take back the phrase "DLH re-allocate ALL there flight-id's" and change it into "DLH re-allocate ALMOST ALL there flight-id's".
Hope all is correctly said now by me and understandable. Sorry in advance for not 100% mastering the English language...
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Hope all is correctly said now by me and understandable. Sorry in advance for not 100% mastering the English language...
Don't worry about it - your English is better than my Dutch :-)
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Thank you Dave.
I am very honoured! (http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/free-happy-smileys-369.gif)