Post by: AirNav Development on September 04, 2009, 01:12:49 AM
As per the press release (link below) we want AirNav RadarBox to grow and we will always continue to put all our efforts on the development of new features.
Link to the Press Release:
http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=3332
Hope you liked the good news and let's wit for November!
Again, below the amazing Screen Shots of AirNav RadarBox 3D.
Live South UK 3D Flight Tracking by AirNav RadarBox 3D:
British Airways Boeing 747-400 realistic model flying over the UK:
3D Approach and Landing:
3D Approach Paths:
Post by: 73TORANA! on September 04, 2009, 03:09:45 AM
Geoff.
Post by: pjm on September 04, 2009, 03:24:42 AM
Is the ACARS interface integrated with the Radarbox hardware/software, or do we still need to run audio cables to the sound card and run separate programs to decode the ACARS data?
Post by: AirNav Development on September 04, 2009, 03:26:31 AM
Regarding ACARS: it will work exactly like with with RadarBox current versions.
Keep your suggestions coming as the software is still being developed.
Post by: GlynH on September 04, 2009, 05:20:07 AM
Why no large screenshots?
Here's hoping it will run properly without issue on my PC unlike the current version...or else it may have to be new PC time...
Apart from the 3D views are there any other changes such as we have been requesting for over a year now?
You really need to be careful when announcing a firm release date...I mean you are referring to November 2009 aren't you? ;^)
<ducking>
Kind regards,
-=Glyn=-
Post by: Deadcalm on September 04, 2009, 06:57:10 AM
Whilst I'm all in favour of development, it seems that "new" versions seem to crop up before all the problems have been sorted out with the old one, so can you clarify, please.
As Glyn says, if it works faultlessly on everyone's machine, then that's good news.
DC
Post by: itestoo on September 04, 2009, 07:14:44 AM
Regard's
Laurent
Post by: GlynH on September 04, 2009, 07:22:25 AM
Yes I would say in addition to the long awaited v3.x and no it should not delay the planned upgrade...although to divert resources away from v3.x for the 3D look by necessity would have impacted the amount of man hours put into v3.x
Like you I am all in favour of development which will always attract 'new blood' but I can't help but feel that the existing version (which has basically been the same for the last 12 months) should have progressed much further with bug-fixes and basic enhancements before incorporating 3D graphics...nice though that is to see.
Fix the existing version first and then charge for the 3D option maybe? I realise AN are caught between a rock and a hard place...
Do you still suffer the slow/hanging menu issues Chris?
Maybe drop me an email when you get a minute...it would be good to hear from you again.
Kind regards,
-=Glyn=-
Post by: tarbat on September 04, 2009, 07:49:23 AM
But I do realise that Airnav have to compete. With Basestation 2 rumoured to have a 3d-map, cockpit view, weather overlay, etc. I guess they had to respond by moving into the 3D space. I personally would rather development effort was put into more features (Airnav have my list!!), rather than eye-candy. Just my personal view.
My advice - keep the aircraft icons small, and de-clutter any large text that Google Earth throws up.
Post by: pjm on September 04, 2009, 07:50:12 AM
is this in addition to the long awaited version 3.whatever-the-latest-is, or instead of it? Will it further delay the upgrade you've been working on for so long, or will that disappear completely?
It looks very much like an upgrade to the radar display of the existing radarbox software, so I'd say there will be no impact on release dates.
I'd imagine (and hope) that the standard display is still available as an option.
Post by: pjm on September 04, 2009, 07:53:19 AM
I do wonder whether my PC will be able to cope with moving 3D models of aircraft around a 3D airspace. I suspect I'll play with the 3D map, and then revert to traditional 2D ;)
Is the display going to be moving any more than the existing display does? Looks more like a spectacular backdrop with the flight displays enhanced.
I suspect I may go back to the 2D version as well once the novelty wears off :)
Post by: EMA on September 04, 2009, 08:22:22 AM
I personally would rather development effort was put into more features (Airnav have my list!!), rather than eye-candy. Just my personal view.
I would also prefer to see a more functional system with extra features than system hogging graphics but I do see that it looks good to the eye.
Post by: AirNav Support on September 04, 2009, 08:24:38 AM
- this in addition to the long awaited version 3.whatever-the-latest-is, or instead of it?
It is an addition, and no it hasn't affected version 3. The developers working on this version were not or have been invovled in version 3.
- always five minutes delay for sharing data ?
Yes delayed data, there are many posts and a stick post about why this is the case. I suggest reading those if you want background into why.
- Apart from the 3D views are there any other changes such as we have been requesting for over a year now?
It will have any changes that version 3 has. Since Version 1 we have added dozens of requests and will continue to do so. Though please remember each request goes through a price, time, popularity test first.
Hope that makes sense.
Post by: vonsmalhausen on September 04, 2009, 09:11:28 AM
i'd rather prefere functions like going directly to a flight on the screen or list by clicking on the alert pop-up, or second screen capability on the software as it is now, than a nice looking 3D interface ( that will be of no use in a aircraft rich enviroment i.m.o., anyway, not from what i can see from the screenshots )
..... and then there is the question if all this fancy 3D will run on my laptop/P.C.
Post by: DaveReid on September 04, 2009, 09:21:51 AM
Post by: tarbat on September 04, 2009, 02:48:14 PM
If it's not a silly question, why don't professional ATC systems have 3D displays, or do they ?
Its a few years away yet, but its being prototyped.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3185/3886552573_97f596e196_m.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tarbat/3886552573/sizes/o/)(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3429/3886557569_637efa5864_m.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tarbat/3886557569/sizes/o/)
Now if only Airnav could include the 3D weather display as well!!!
Post by: leomicen on September 04, 2009, 06:27:37 PM
The question is because Radarbox not have the option of conversion to metric meters instead of feet and miles instead of miles. Take into account that in Latin America and the USSR officially uses the metric system. Thank you very much
Post by: AirNav Support on September 04, 2009, 06:33:11 PM
Good point, we will take that into account for our next version.
Post by: pjm on September 04, 2009, 11:19:20 PM
is because Radarbox not have the option of conversion to metric meters instead of feet and miles instead of miles. Take into account that in Latin America and the USSR officially uses the metric system.
I'd like to add my support to this suggestion. In Australia we also use the metric system. Knots, nautical miles & feet etc are all pretty meaningless to most consumers here.
Post by: Fenris on September 04, 2009, 11:46:05 PM
is because Radarbox not have the option of conversion to metric meters instead of feet and miles instead of miles. Take into account that in Latin America and the USSR officially uses the metric system.
I'd like to add my support to this suggestion. In Australia we also use the metric system. Knots, nautical miles & feet etc are all pretty meaningless to most consumers here.
Options are good! I'm sure any Australian pilots will understand them, aircraft are still calibrated in these units.
Post by: AirNav Development on September 05, 2009, 12:03:00 AM
With RadarBox 3D a new world opens to the future of the system. As it is based in Google Earth kml layers could easily be added to the main view: this includes weather (real-time worldwide cloud cover layers), VORs, NDBs, 3D airspace, etc.
And we are already taking care of this. :-)
Anyway we see already a few more topics appearing in addition to the new flags and airline logos like: new layers, new 3D aircraft models, etc. The base will be there and users will be able to improve it.
Post by: FlightChaser on September 05, 2009, 01:47:03 AM
Post by: pjm on September 05, 2009, 02:32:21 AM
For example here we have an aircraft that RB is receiving ACARS data, but no ADS-B.
RadarBox know about he ACARS data, it has been told the Aircraft registration and Flight ID, but has not populated the Flight ID information (nor done an associated route lookup).
(http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/6215/20090905122301.jpg)
Post by: AirNav Development on September 05, 2009, 02:40:38 AM
V3.03 has minor reported problems being corrected and we hope to release it to the beta testing group this Tuesday or earlier so we can release it to the public just after that (once we have the green light from the beta testers).
Post by: Terre on September 05, 2009, 07:51:42 AM
Suggestions
As you were asking for suggestions - even though I am not a friend of permanent battology -, I would recommend to note the many, many, many ideas previously made in this thread: http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=2885.0
The popularity of each item can be found here: http://harvester.gofreeserve.com/poll.html
Excerpt :
# Module Suggestion
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1 Alerts - Ability to click aircraft and jump to MyFLights entry & map
2 Alerts - Conditional Alerts (Excel style)
3 Alerts - Different actions for different alerts
4 Alerts - Different E-Mails for certain alerts
5 Alerts - Different sounds for different alerts
6 Alerts - Identification of alerts by Mode-S/Registration
7 Alerts - Keep a log of alerts
8 Alerts - Send SMS on alert
9 Alerts - Start record on alert
10 Desktop - Customizable toolbars – show selected icons only
11 Desktop - Moveable Toolbars
12 Desktop - Place interface at bottom
13 Desktop - Support dual display
14 Desktop - Undockable windows
15 Filter bar - International default data in drop down lists
16 Flight recorder - Faster playback of recordings - Option to speed up or scan recording file
17 Flight recorder - Record network traffic (at least for a certain region)
18 FTP - Configurable FTP upload times
19 FTP - Enhanced FTP information as number of flights tracked etc.
20 General - Different Lat/Lon format usage for display on map and entry in fields – have same format
21 General - Network traffic output
22 General - Option to allow the user to draw/edit Fixes, etc.
23 General - Port 30003 format
24 General - Remember all settings & screen setup
25 General - Squawk lookup
26 General - Update Database via Internet, registrations get updated automatically & download a picture
27 General - Use display style of contemporary software of air traffic control
28 Grid - Ability to add the symbols to the grid: 'Heard' 'ACARS' 'Visual'
29 Grid - Alternate lines in color (user defined color)
30 Grid - List of aircraft not „jumping“
31 Grid - User defined order of grid columns (MyFlights, etc.)
32 Grid / Map - Aircraft with curent alert colored
33 Interface - Show country of registration in flight details
34 Interface - Show counts flights received/ADS-B flights
35 Interface - Show/hide flight details
36 Interface Grid - Blank or numeric FlightID: use registration/stripped dahes, etc. to look up logo file
37 Map - 3 dimensional polar diagram
38 Map - Ability to draw temporary lines/dots on the map (as in PowerPoint presentation)
39 Map - Ability to measure distance with mouse (Google Earth style)
40 Map - Ability to select different options how flight tag is displayed (eg. Eurocat style)
41 Map - Ability to show/hide Outlines & Fixes by single/group selection
42 Map - Airways name
43 Map - Bearing and Distance to a target on map/to mouse position
44 Map - Display the route on the map for Non-ADS/B aircraft with Flight ID & valid route
45 Map - Draw trail line instead of dots for network flights
46 Map - Flash tags on Squawk ident
47 Map - Go to flight on Alert
48 Map - Highlight fix on map upon locate
49 Map - Longer trail lines (user definable time)
50 Map - Only show aircraft in a specific area
51 Map - Option to show/hide different fixes
52 Map - Pure full screen - no bars, no frame
53 Map - Real weather on map
54 Map - Rotate Map
55 Map - Select aircraft with mouse click and keep selected
56 Map - Shorter path vector (eg. One dot per 100 kts GS)
57 Map - Smaller increments when zooming in and out on map, or user selectable increments
58 Map - Smooth moving network traffic/path prediction (user sets this on/off)
59 Map - Tracks of aircraft to be displayed after aircraft time out
60 Map - Up/Down Arrows in tag
61 Map - User definable aircraft symbol (eg. Triangle, dot, cross, etc.)
62 Map - User definable aircraft tag (show only data selected)
63 Map - User definable Symbols for altitude change
64 Map & Interface - Highlight alerts in Grid/Map
65 Map & Interface - Show pop-up with details of selected aircraft on map/grid
66 MyLog - Ability to search using the keyboard
67 MyLog - Add sort function in MyLog
68 MyLog - Allow any date in MyLog (not just Today/Yesterday)
69 MyLog - Edit complete record / more than one cell at a time
70 MyLog - Print function for Mylog grid
71 MyLog - Search MyLog for FlightID
72 MyLog - Select fields of report
73 MyLog - Show real „Yesterday“ in MyLog (not Yesterday minus Today)
74 Preference - Adjust time for new flight to detect whether a new flight has started
75 Reports - Sort standard DAILY & YESTERDAY reports by Aircraft.Registration then Flights.EndTime
76 Smartview - Display METAR info in „MetarViewer“ style
77 Smartview - Include all alerts in Fleet Watch list - double-click aircraft in Fleet Watch to centre on
78 Smartview - Show/hide Weatherinfo in Smartview
Popularity
The TOPS of each category (in July):
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Post by: Allocator on September 05, 2009, 03:35:47 PM
Post by: wxwarn on September 06, 2009, 02:25:00 PM
Post by: AirNav Support on September 06, 2009, 02:26:52 PM
Post by: tarbat on September 06, 2009, 02:28:04 PM
Post by: virtualradar on September 06, 2009, 03:06:24 PM
Post by: AirNav Development on September 06, 2009, 03:15:25 PM
>All upgrade to the SBS-1 are free
I'm sorry but we totally disagree with this. In one year Kinetic/ML&S struggled to create new hardware packages with minor changes to keep theSBS-1 project afloat (Mk2, Ethernet and AB) and none of these were free. Actually there is not even an upgrade price in them and the a user that wanted to use any of them had to pay more than GPB 400 each time.
If you are talking about software then Kinetic/ML&S are still selling SBS-1 the old, outdated Basestation software which didn't have a real upgrade for more than 3 years.
Post by: mt007 on September 06, 2009, 04:07:42 PM
I think that it would not be necessary to pay any more because of having it 3D.
I think that it should be a complement to a radarbox, eat for example the images of satellite.
It is my opinion, of course.
Thanks.
Regards.
Post by: Allocator on September 06, 2009, 04:59:43 PM
Hello friends,
I think that it would not be necessary to pay any more because of having it 3D.
I think that it should be a complement to a radarbox, eat for example the images of satellite.
It is my opinion, of course.
Thanks.
Regards.
That is a nice idea, but if somebody has spent time developing it, then time = money! AirNav is not a charity and therefore the company has to make a profit otherwise all the updates we have had so far will stop.
Would you work for free?
Post by: Deadcalm on September 06, 2009, 05:14:18 PM
DC
Post by: Allocator on September 06, 2009, 05:24:07 PM
Yes, but did anyone actually ASK for 3D ?
DC
But surely, if you don't want the 3D display, you don't purchase the upgrade? You just keep using the 2D software.
Post by: tarbat on September 06, 2009, 05:28:54 PM
But surely, if you don't want the 3D display, you don't purchase the upgrade? You just keep using the 2D software.
Although the danger (for Airnav) with this approach is that they'll need to continue support for 2 versions - the 2D and 3D versions.
Until Airnav Flightwatch comes along I guess. Maybe that's the upgrade they should charge for?
Post by: GlynH on September 06, 2009, 05:52:58 PM
I for one would be happy to pay a reasonable charge if I wanted the 3D option.
I mean all of the RB upgrades to date have been free but shouldn't there be some reward for the additional time above & beyond that?
That sounds fair to me...those that want it pay a fee and those that don't...don't.
Having said that I wish the time spent on the 3D - that not many people will be using by the sound of it - was spent adding some of the great features that have been requested for over a year now and increased stability to the app.
As always AN are caught netween a rock and a hard place because if the competition have something similar and AN don't then that could mean lost sales for RB and ultimately we would suffer as a consequence.
Just my 2c worth you understand...
Regards,
-=Glyn=-
Post by: Allocator on September 06, 2009, 05:54:09 PM
But surely, if you don't want the 3D display, you don't purchase the upgrade? You just keep using the 2D software.
Although the danger (for Airnav) with this approach is that they'll need to continue support for 2 versions - the 2D and 3D versions.
Until Airnav Flightwatch comes along I guess. Maybe that's the upgrade they should charge for?
So what is the answer here then? Expect the company to continue to offer upgrades for free - but don't expect them to develop the software/hardware beyond a certain point where they might need to charge for it? And what is that point, where do you stop?
It's a difficult one, and there is no way that everybody is going to be happy - not unless everything is free and that's just unreasonable. I've done work for people looking after their PC's and it does get to the point where you have just had enough doing it for free, but you don't feel you can ask them for money as they are friends. If you ask for money they get upset, if you stop helping them they are offended - it makes you just not want to bother.
Mind you, I have worked for beer before, but the top tip is not to drink it while you are actually working on the PC - lol
Post by: mt007 on September 06, 2009, 08:57:50 PM
Airnav already earned enough money with the sale of the radarbox.
And it is not because of adding more an addon what it is going to lose, on the contrary, even he will gain more clients.
Radarbox is a reference mark and much more people goes buy it.
Regards.
Post by: Allocator on September 06, 2009, 09:55:42 PM
Airnav already earned enough money with the sale of the radarbox.
So how do you work this out then? Do you have inside information or are you just guessing. I'm not sure that a one-off purchase entitles you to lifetime support and free upgrades :-0
Post by: mt007 on September 07, 2009, 01:13:33 AM
Do not get upset with me.
It is only an opinion.
Also I do not agree with the payment of connection to the network and i pay every month.
Therefore I think that of addons it would not be necessary to pay this type.
Regards
Post by: AirNav Development on September 07, 2009, 01:25:05 AM
Regarding network access: don't forget that you get data from the only worldwide existing and professionally maintained ADS-B network. We believe that the price (5 EUR per month) don't make any difference to anyone.
Even if you decide that the network is not for you the application will work forever without any extra payment needed (just like our competitors product) - with the exception that we have been releasing free updates for the last 2 years with hundreds of requests from our users implemented (unlike our competitor that hasn't had a relevant upgrade for the last 3 years and relies on addons of external parties to be afloat).
We believe it is difficult to make more for our customers.
Anyway and as always expect more work from us, more releases, more updates and always improving our existing products.
Post by: mt007 on September 07, 2009, 01:28:23 AM
i know that.
Thx.
But i prefer airnav products.
Regards
Post by: marcdeklerk on September 07, 2009, 06:33:35 AM
just fair I think, offer if as an upgrade, you want it you pay for it
thanks
Post by: abrad41 on September 07, 2009, 06:47:19 AM
Each user then has the choice of which one he would like to use.
Andy
Post by: Deadcalm on September 07, 2009, 07:06:40 AM
DC
Post by: Brimon on September 07, 2009, 09:45:03 AM
Post by: puddy on September 07, 2009, 07:40:17 PM
Keep up the good work airnav
puddy
Post by: Mark07 on September 16, 2009, 08:11:22 AM
Post by: tarbat on September 16, 2009, 08:16:26 AM
When does the 3D version officially go on release?
Nov 26 2009, according to Airnav's announcement - http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=3332.0
Post by: Fenris on September 16, 2009, 05:20:47 PM
I think the 3D should have a small fee for upgrading, but I would like to see the upgrade with the option to switch between 2D & 3D.
Each user then has the choice of which one he would like to use.
Absolutely, because otherwise it won't be any use if you don't have network connectivity available.
Post by: Javaradiofrance on September 23, 2009, 09:34:17 PM
So I'm for making the effort to contribute financially, and so I say I bring my stone to the edifice.
Congratulations to the team Airnav .... And I eagerly await version Radarbox 3D software.
This is only my opinion to say that I am among those who are ready to pay.
Sorry for my english, i'm french.
Post by: iain5968 on October 14, 2009, 09:44:00 AM
Price: £89.95 / €107.94 (Including VAT).
Post by: Fenris on October 14, 2009, 10:01:21 AM
i've just had a quick search on tinternet Waters and Stanton website says .....RadarBox 3D Upgrade - Google Earth overlay with 3D aircraft picture library
Price: £89.95 / €107.94 (Including VAT).
Well found sir!
That's rather expensive from my point of view, I was anticipating somewhere rather less than half that price. I know it's a one off cost, but with the desire to subscribe to the real-time network it will be a stretch to do both.
Post by: 7MileHigh on October 14, 2009, 10:17:34 AM
Time to say "Goodbye" to 3D for me.
Post by: AirNav Support on October 14, 2009, 10:51:04 AM
Post by: Fenris on October 14, 2009, 11:02:12 AM
Price hasn't been announced yet (we don't even known yet internaly). Don't jump yet, thats what was probally just set up in prep and not everything is correct.
Well if that's the case then W&S need to be told to change their web site PDQ!
Post by: landyman on October 14, 2009, 12:02:25 PM
"This will add Google Earth as a map overlay ....
Forward orders can be taken by phone only ....
As the data is available out of RB, then if imported to OziExplorer, it may be possible to see an aircraft plot.
Incidentally I got a free upgrade to OziEx adding GE a few months ago.
Reg.
Post by: tarbat on October 14, 2009, 12:17:32 PM
As the data is available out of RB, then if imported to OziExplorer, it may be possible to see an aircraft plot.
Port 7879/30003 output from Radarbox is 5 minute delayed though.
Post by: radarspotter10 on October 14, 2009, 06:15:44 PM
hi ferrisPrice hasn't been announced yet (we don't even known yet internaly). Don't jump yet, thats what was probally just set up in prep and not everything is correct.
Well if that's the case then W&S need to be told to change their web site PDQ!
Did not believe what i was reading nearly £100 for a Google 3d overlay with a 5 minute delay, still in shock.
no way hosay.
from pat.