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AirNav RadarBox and RadarBox24.com => AirNav RadarBox and RadarBox24.com Discussion => Topic started by: RodBearden on July 06, 2009, 11:22:04 PM
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Just to register that with Patch 1 2009/07/04 15:52, I'm not getting the resizing mouse pointer between the map and the grid, but I can still resize the panes.
Rod
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I am not really sure what ANRB version we are currently using is it the same for all of us or do we all have specific executables to fix certain issues?
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My guess is that we're testing different versions. I'm testing a version Andre emailed me on 5th July to test port 30003 output. Is anyone else testing port 30003 output - I'm not having much success.
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My guess is that we're testing different versions. I'm testing a version Andre emailed me on 5th July to test port 30003 output. Is anyone else testing port 30003 output - I'm not having much success.
I think you are right mine was emailed from Andre at the end of June to test disappearing aircraft and network issues.
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Can't we tell by the date/time stamp on Help..About? That's why I quoted it.
Rod
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Okay, the version I'm testing is 2009/07/05 15:21 in Help--About.
TEST: Testing port 30003 output fully compatible with SBS-1 output.
FAULT: It has a broken port 30003 output, as all the ModeS hex codes are missing. Reported to Airnav by email.
STATUS: Reverted to previous version 2009/06/18 20:52
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The help -> about doesn't always help as the install sometimes registers the time and date of the install there.
Tarbat roger, Development is working on it.
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Tarbat,
Does 30003 output work on 2009/06/18 20:52(which is the public beta I presume?), as i cannot see any output ?
Edit - User error !! can see output on 30003, but it does not seem to give output if ANRB has been running for a while - undefined period at the moment, just restarted and waited and output OK.
CAM
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Another bug - if you have a satellite image overlay and go to full screen map view, when you return to normal view, the satellite image disappears.
Rod
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I've noticed that on the Network grid, I'll click on an aircraft, there's the usual slight delay, and then, when RB attempts to centre that flight in the grid, the selection jumps up or down by one or two aircraft, so I'm looking at the wrong one.
This doesn't seem to happen on MyFlights, where it keeps the correct flight selected.
Or is it just me?
Rod
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I'm noticing that RB still will jump to the front unexpectedly while I'm doiing something else. Doesn't seem to be related to alerts.
Rod
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I'm noticing that RB still will jump to the front unexpectedly while I'm doiing something else. Doesn't seem to be related to alerts.
Rod
Not seeing that issue
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I'm noticing that RB still will jump to the front unexpectedly while I'm doiing something else. Doesn't seem to be related to alerts.
I've also never seen this happen. Would suggest that this might be a PC setup issue. Does it happen regularly/frequently - can you establish any pattern to it? Do any other program windows ever jump to the front like this?
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No - it's only ever RB that jumps to the front, and I'm not accidentally hitting Alt-Tab when it happens. An alert has just popped up while I'm typing this, so it's not related directly to alerts. No other pattern has emerged yet, though.
Perhaps, as you say, it's something on my PC.
Rod
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Could it be that it pops up when there's a message to display in the status bar? For example, network download, or ftp upload, or email send, etc.
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No - it's nothing like that regular - I only see it happen perhaps four or five times a day - ooh it just did it then - this time it did come to the front along with a Flight in Range alert.
EDIT - it just did it again - definitely NOT related to any alert.
EDIT - and again - with an alert
Rod
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Also, this phenomenon reported in reply #9 is starting to annoy me - it's like the Tour effect, even though that is turned off, but it will sometimes jump by two aircraft, not just one, and it jumps up as well as down.
EDIT - it's occasionally jumping four or six lines at at time - I think the jumping only happens after I've clicked a record above centre, not below.
Rod
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THis jumping on the network grid seems to be to a pattern. I click a flight, it's centred, then it jumps up or down one or two flights, then it jumps pretty randomly to another flight. The timing seems to be related to the network update cycle.
I've changed pointing devices in case my cordless trackball was causing a problem, but my corded mouse is no different.
Nobody else getting this?
Rod
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What sort-order have you got the network list in? I usually sort by Dist, and haven't noticed this jumping around. I'll test further now.
Could this be connected in some way to your other problem of the RB window jumping to the front?
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Hmmm.. I don't know - I'm almost always sorting on Flight ID - I'll see what happens in other sort orders.
Rod
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Trying different sort orders, and getting exactly the same effects. Any other ideas?
Rod
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I'm out of ideas Rod. I can't get this to happen.
I wonder if this is connected to your other problem. One thought - see what happens if you turn off network flights. Does that stop the RB window popping up in front of other windows.
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That one hasn't happened for a couple of hours... We'll see.
Rod
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Well, the new release hasn't changed the jumping network grid problem - whenever I click any flight on the grid, the red selection box moves straight to it, then after, usually, a second, the selection box jumps, usually down to the next record, and then often jumps 10 ro 12 records.
It's driving me mad - I'm trying to right-click on the desired flight, often I'm missing it and clickingthe wrong one. Even if I do manage to get the right flight, while I am, say looking at it in MyLog, the selection box will jump to a completely different record and get me even more confused.
None of this happens in MyFlights.
Rod
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More info on this - it's showing the same bad behaviour while I'm playing back a recording, but still behaving perfectly well in live MyFlights.
Rod
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Rod, I'll try recording playback tomorrow, see if I can see the same problem.
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Rod, did this happen in previous versions?
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Rod
I am not getting this jumping problem, I looked for the issue last night and again this morning but the flight I select stays selected, unless something move close by on the map and it may then switch automatically.
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I tried a recording playback, and I can't get this jumping problem.
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No - I didn;'t notice this in earlier versions, and yes, I'm still getting this problem - and it's making the network grid very difficult to use - some of the time it appears that when the grid jumps to accommodate aircraft added or removed from the list, the red selection box just stays in the same position, selecting the aircraft that's jumped into its place.
Other times I'll click on a flight, and within a second the selection box moves up to the next aircraft, up again after one or two seconnds, and the jumps down about 10 aircraft. I promise I'm not moving my mouse, or touching the keyboard during this procedure!
Another example is that I'll click an aircraft on the map to select it, and it gets selected on the grid. Then, again after jut a second or two, the next aircraft gets selected on the grid, but the original aircraft is selected on the map - like this:
(http://www.rbearden.toucansurf.com/Jump.gif)
Anyone know of a free and easy-to use screen recorder so that I can send a recording to AirNav of this behaviour?
Rod
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Rod, the impression I get is that you're the only one experiencing this problem. Did it happen in previous versions? Any chance you could do a separate clean install and see if the problem occurs on that installation.
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I'll have to give it a try, won't I?
Having tea now - I'll have a go in an hour or so.
Rod
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Hi Rod,
Your not alone I am having the same problem too. I have network flights sorted by registration mostly and as I have been scrolling through I have just stopped on an aircraft downloading photo (HZ-130) and the screen jumped back about ten into the HB- range, It did this as the screen updated/network refreshed. I have not seen the jumping two places but that may be part of the problem I,ve just reported as to right clicking on myflights in another thread.
Cheers John
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I wonder if this is something to do with screen size? I am not seeing this problem and have been using the box all day.
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Hi John - I suppose that's somewhat reassuring :-(
I've just done a complete reinstall and I'm getting exactly the same problem. On the way, after I had installed the full version (from the link in the main forum Beta announcement Part 2 thread), I ran the program and had no problem with jumping selections - steady as a rock.
Then I installed the latest anrb.exe (from the post in this forum with the updated fix file), and the same jumping behaviour has returned.
B*****!
Rod
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I'm trying to link the jumping to the network update cycle, but no luck yet - it seems to be at entirely random intervals.
EDIT - and it's still happening on recorder playback, when the network is of course turned off.
Rod
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Does it happen with network turned off and NOT playing back a recording - ie. just local hardware flights?
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I am having the same problem with Network flights only.
First the little circle around the tracked aircraft disappears within 5-10 secs, then the red block moves down or up to another flight after some time. Sometimes it jumps after a network update, sometimes after two updates, but in the end it moves down or up.
Nothing noticed in myflights, but sometimes the tracking circle is disappearing there too for an seconde. ( I have a refreshrate set at 1000 millisec )
Frank
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Tarbat - no - the hardware flights grid is totally stable - no jumping around at all.
Glad it's not just me!
Rod
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Rod, I'm glad it's not just you as well. What are your network time-out settings - I use 125/85.
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My network timeouts are 90/180 (and refresh rate of 1000ms).
I'm just going to change them slightly and see what happens.
Rod
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Still evidence-gathering.
I click on a flight on the map to make it the active flight, and click on the Pan Map with Active flight button. Within a few seconds the highlighting has gone away, the selection on the grid has wandered off somewhere else, but it keeps panning with the correct flight.
Rod
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I don't have to click on an aircraft on the map to make it the active flight. so looks like there's different behavour there. I just hover the mouse pointer over an aircraft, and it becomes active. It then stays selected in the aircraft list for minutes.
If I accidentally pass my mouse pointer over another aircraft, and don't click on it, then that aircraft still becomes the active flight and the aircraft list will jump to that aircraft - is that what you're seeing?
Does this jumping occur if you single click on an aircraft on the list, instead of on the map?
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Yes - it doesn't matter whether I click or not on the map - the passing-over is good enough, but the selection on the grid soon moves, and the selection highlighting on the map soon changes, too.
Same behaviour whether I select the aircraft on the grid or the map.
I've been very careful that I'm not passing the mouse over other flights on the map!
Rod
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Yes - it doesn't matter whether I click or not on the map - the passing-over is good enough, but the selection on the grid soon moves, and the selection highlighting on the map soon changes, too.
Same behaviour whether I select the aircraft on the grid or the map.
I've been very careful that I'm not passing the mouse over other flights on the map!
Rod
I can confirm this. The same is happening on my PC. I have reinstalled the 3.0 Beta ('public' version) and the problem did not occur. 'Just' the occasional disappearing of the selection highlighting on the map , but no jumping red blocks on the grid.
Frank
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I have run the beta on three separate systems and cannot get this problem to occur.
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If it's useful, I'm on Win XP Home Sp3.
Machine is Acer T160 with AMD 64 3400+, 2.21 Ghz, 2.93 GB RAM.
Rod
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Mine is a Dual core intel pc 2gb ram.
I have noticed that when I restart the program and track a flight, there appears to be no problem at the beginning. But it happened three times on my PC that, after a couple of minutes, almost all ( not all, about 90% ) network flights disappear from the map (not the grid). After a couple of seconds (5-10) they re-appear again. After this has happened the trouble starts. However this is not always the case. Most of the time the problem starts without the disappearing of the Network flights from the map. So it's a bit hard to trace I guess, but I am not an expert mind you. I just write down what I observe....
Frank
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All my systems are Intel Quad core and running Vista Premium.
Have you checked what other applications are running and closed them down to see if anything is competing with Radarbox?
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I've done most of the testing with only RB and Firefox running. I doesn't seem to matter if I then start other apps.
And I'm running Norton Internet Security.
Rod
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Hi Rod
Is it possible to disable Norton just to see if that has any effect?
Try as I might I cannot see this issue on my systems. I use AVG and Avast.
Kevin
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All my systems are Intel Quad core and running Vista Premium.
Have you checked what other applications are running and closed them down to see if anything is competing with Radarbox?
Closed down all running programs, but it makes no difference.
Frank
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All my systems are Intel Quad core and running Vista Premium.
Have you checked what other applications are running and closed them down to see if anything is competing with Radarbox?
Closed down all running programs, but it makes no difference.
Frank
Strange........
Any ideas Airnav?
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Turned off all anti-virus and firewall Norton features, restarted RB, no difference - same old jumpy behaviour.
Also tried not doing any grid sorting - left it in "natural" order, still jumping around.
Rod
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Hi Rod,
I've just read a post by Tarbat on the main discussion forum about screen refresh rates in preferances. Having just changed mine from 1000ms to Tarbat's setting of 4000ms this has cured the jumping for me.
I watched it yesterday, if you set the red box to the top of the stack and left the mouse alone it jumped two or three places down regularly until eventualy it reach the bottom were it stayed. I took a video of of it with my phone but its not very clear.
In the time its taken me towrite this post the red box is still on the same aircraft even thou' entries have been added above and below.
HTH Cheers John
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Just shows that so many things can affect a bug. I never expected screen refresh rate to be a factor. I've always used 4000ms.
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Well, I'm afraid it hasn't affected my bug - tried 4000 and 2000ms, restarted RB, still jumping - it's making the network grid pretty well unusable - this thread's name is no longer appropriate!
Rod
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I've renamed this thread to draw AirNav's attention to it - it's a serious problem for me.
Rod
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At least I thought I had, ah well...
Dev - are you going to make any more contributions to this forum???
Rod
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Can you establish any common factor for those affected by this bug? No matter what I try, I've been unable to make it jump.
Maybe you could export your RB registry settings and post them here, so we can see if there's something different about how your RB is setup.
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\AirNav Systems\ANRB
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Tarbat - it happens on any and every flight that I select on the network grid or map.
Here's my ANRB registry, with personal data (email, box no and password) slightly anonomised (if that's a word!)
Rod
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Can't see anything obviously different to my setup, other than you have the aircraft list on the left, I have it on the right. So I've tried interface on the left, but still can't get it to jump.
Are you also still getting problems with the RB window suddenly jumping to the front and getting in the way? I just wonder if the two problems are connected in some way.
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Just occasionally the RB window will jump spontaneously to the front, perhaps two or three times a day - definitely to be classed as a minor bug.
But this jumping network grid is a real pain.
PS Thanks for checking!
Rod
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Rod, an outside chance but it's worth a check. Have you used TweakUI to modify any mouse settings, such as "activation follows mouse"?
EDIT: Another thought. Try applying a Quick Filter of Status <> 0NA. Just in case it's all those NAs that are causing the problem
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Hi Tarbat - no, I haven't even installed TweakUI on this computer, and I've turned off Logitech Setpoint (the cordless mouse software), and checked mouse settings for anything odd.
I've often made a point of not touching the mouse after clicking a flight on the grid, and moving the mouse carefully off the map if I've clicked on a flight there.
I tried filtering out NA flights, but that hasn't helped the problem (though I think I might leave it like that - I still see no point in them being on the grid :-)
Come on now, you must have lots more ideas ;-)
Rod
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I've made a video of this list jumping phenomenon - I've sent it to AirNav. If anyone's interested, here's a link - it's nearly 55Mb.
The list is sorted by Flight ID and, after the first click, I'm not touching the computer at all.
http://www.rbearden.toucansurf.com/Rod Screen.AVI (http://www.rbearden.toucansurf.com/Rod Screen.AVI)
Rod
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You have a much higher number of messages/sec for local hardware aircraft than I do - I wonder if that's a factor. Does the problem still occur if you turn off Process Hardware Flight?
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Yes - no difference with hardware flights off - I also tried not sharing data earlier (while I was uploading the video) and no difference there, either.
Rod
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It was worth a try. I just hope Airnav have more success reproducing the error than I have!!
Looking at the video, it looks like the list moves up/down and the red box stays where it is when you first select an aircraft. Whereas when my list moves, the red box also moves to remain on the selected aircraft.
I blame the colour sihouettes ;)
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You leave my lovely silhouettes out of it!!
Wouldn't be ironic if they were the cause?
Nah - can't be - they're the same size in bytes and pixels as the boring ones! Actually, come to think of it, they are ever so slightly bigger. Oo-errr.. quick experiment coming up...
Rod
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No - no difference even with the boring silhouettes - I do wish it was something that simple!
Rod
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Rod, tks for the video. Our main programmer is analyzing it right now.
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No - no difference even with the boring silhouettes - I do wish it was something that simple!
Rod
I did have a look at your video. My screen looks exactly the same.
You are using a Logitech mouse too I have read. So do I, but it is a corded mouse (MX400). I am using device driver version 4.72.24.0 from Logitech, dated 12/18/2008. Maybe this driver causes a conflict somewehere. However...
I have tried several different settings in the Logitech Setpoint program, but no joy. I have disabled the Logitech mouse, removed the driver, put in another mouse (Asus corded mouse), but still no joy. The problem is still there.
edit: I have tested the latest patch + fix on another dualcore PC just now (dual core, Vista 32, Logitech cordless mouse equipped). The same jumping around occurs. Again with this logitech driver (a bit older version, but nevertheless Logitech). Using my basic Asus mouse made no difference, but I noticed that this corded Asus mouse makes use of another Logitech device driver.
Edit: tested ANRB on my main Dual Core PC with Dual boot. On the Windows xp(3) part these are the results:
1. Original 2.1 version: no jumping, lightining (white circle around tracked aircraft etc) stays on screen, so normal behaviour
2. Public beta 3.0: no jumping, but lightining (map) goes on and off, red block remains on tracked aircraft (grid).
3. Patch 3.0 + fix: jumping, lightining diasappears, red block jumps around
System: dual core 2.6 ghz dual boot (vista 32, XP 3), 2mb Ram, logitech corded mouse,
Tests on the Vista 32 part of the system gave the same results...
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Room for another one in here? ;^)
I've had a quick read-through this forum to get up to speed but please excuse me if I have missed something ...
I had been using v2.10 Beta but have now installed the full v3.0 Beta, overwrote ANRB.exe with the Patch 1 executable and copied the later L007.dat
I then copied over MyLog.db3 (101MB / 15571 aircraft) and Navdata.db3 (25MB)
Started the app and it seemed to remember all of my previous settings with the exception of all the registrations in SmartView (which I quickly imported from an Excel spreadsheet I keep handy just for that purpose) and my Custom Legend details in Preferences.
Glad to see the Range Alerts working again and nice to be able to right-click to get more info etc.
However the slow menu issue I now have back with a vengeance...sorry guys...:-(
Also some silly menu related issues that were fixed with v2.10 Beta such as File Menu/Map/General Signs highlighted options not matching the Map Toolbar/General signs has also returned - for example;
In File Menu/Map/General Signs I turn off County Boundaries.
I close the menu and re-open it to verify it is off.
I check the Map Toolbar and see it is still highlighted on so I turn it off
I then turn it on again with the Map Toolbar but when I check File Menu/Map/General Signs it is unchecked.
Got to go and do some work now but I will report back later on.
Kind regards,
-=Glyn=-
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However the slow menu issue I now have back with a vengeance...sorry guys...:-(
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Hi Glyn
I have not had the slow menu problem on any of my systems since the 2.1 beta with the exception of all the fix points being enabled.
Kevin
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Hi Kevin,
In my system using v2.10 Beta the slow menu issue was all but eradicated but after installing v3.0 Beta it is most definitely back...strange isn't it?
I have no Fix Points enabled at all...I only show airports by name and have County Boundaries switced on...my map is about as simple as it gets...no network...no nothing else;
http://www.glyn.me/radarbox
Hey AirNav - I need another Radar Ring on my map! ;^)
Talking of Radar Rings I have just noticed the outer ring has no distance number by it...
Thanks & regards,
-=Glyn=-
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This is strange Glyn because we both had the slow menu problem and for some reason it is now fixed for me and not you.
I suppose thats the best way round to have it ;-)
Kevin
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This is strange Glyn because we both had the slow menu problem and for some reason it is now fixed for me and not you.
I suppose thats the best way round to have it ;-)
Kevin
Not in my opinion Kevin! ;^)
Regards,
-=Glyn=-
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When using the SmartView tab it would be good to have the ability to highlight an aircraft on the map simply by clicking on it much like happens in MyFlights.
I know you can tick the 'Show only Fleet Watch Flights on Map' but if you only want to show the one aircraft from many in the list shouldn't we just be able to highlight it by selecting it?
This would also keep conformity between the various tabs...
Thanks & regards,
-=Glyn=-
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If AirNav are going to do it in Smartview, why not do it for alerts (the alert box and the alert list), too?
Rod
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When using the SmartView tab it would be good to have the ability to highlight an aircraft on the map simply by clicking on it much like happens in MyFlights.
If you double click on an aircraft in the SmartView Fleet Watch list, the map centres on the aircraft, no matter where it is in the world - providing it is transmitting position information.
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If AirNav are going to do it in Smartview, why not do it for alerts (the alert box and the alert list), too?
Rod
I agree but as the current Alerts leave a lot to be desired and there are a truck-load of great suggestions out there with regard to enhancing the Alert function I thought I would keep quiet.
Softly, softly catchee monkey...;^)
Kind regards,
-=Glyn=-
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If you double click on an aircraft in the SmartView Fleet Watch list, the map centres on the aircraft, no matter where it is in the world - providing it is transmitting position information.
I did see that but I spend so much time just getting my map set correctly with the strange zoom increments that I prefer not too touch it! ;^)
Kind regards,
-=Glyn=-
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If you double click on an aircraft in the SmartView Fleet Watch list, the map centres on the aircraft, no matter where it is in the world - providing it is transmitting position information.
I did see that but I spend so much time just getting my map set correctly with the strange zoom increments that I prefer not too touch it! ;^)
Kind regards,
-=Glyn=-
The map zoom isn't changed, only the map centre and you can get back to where you were by clicking home - again, no change in the zoom levels.
I'm constantly moving the map center by dragging and using the +/- to zoom in and out. I don't find this difficult to use, but it's down to your preference in the end.
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Another little annoyance - RB still doesn't know which colour scheme to load - 50% of the time it's loading Default.mcl, and 50% it's loading Real Radar.mcl. Whenever it loads Real Radar, I'm changing it to Default.
I know the workround is to make a copy of Default as Real Radar, but it would be nice if it worked properly.
Anyone else having this problem, er sorry, issue?
Rod