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AirNav RadarBox and RadarBox24.com => AirNav RadarBox and RadarBox24.com Discussion => Topic started by: AirNav Development on June 16, 2009, 09:05:27 PM
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We always try to avoid these kind of posts on our forum since our users are mostly interested on using the RadarBox system and on its features.
Anyway we believe our users and our forum readers should be informed about what goes behind the scenes at this forum.
All of us have read during the last few weeks several topics and consecutive posts from some users reporting static problems with our system. Like any other electronic receiver AirNav RadarBox may suffer from problems in some specific conditions. Anyway it was strange for our team to find that from over 3000 units sold and with only about 30 returned, the static problem was being magnified so much.
We have just discovered that a user was developing and deployed a software to artificially raise the relevance of topics that continuously tried to undermine the success of the RadarBox system. Most of these topics were kept on the top of our forum with constant replies from the same user that developed this illegal activity.
This illegal software was running on an external server, refreshing the forum page on a specific pre-defined interval.
One of the criteria search engines like Google use to raise the position of a specific page is the number of views that page. That user was trying to undermine AirNav Systems image by artificially raise the view count of our forum topics related to the static problem. His objective was for someone searching for RadarBox at, for example, Google, would come up with links pointing to RadarBox problems instead of the system webpage.
According to the real-time statistics below, Most of our topics have no more than 15000 views. The topics mentioning problems with RadarBox suddently had over 30 thousand visits.
Real-time forum stats:
http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?&action=stats
At AirNav Systems we take our reputation to a very high degree. We have all the personal information of this user and we will take this case to maximum extents possible under law.
Since the release of AirNav RadarBox and its tremendous success AirNav Systems has suffered an unprecedented pressure from those who don't like to see the success of the product. We have now a huge market share and this creates several problems to companies and individuals that were not used to see a strong company focused on software innovation coming to this market.
We are an honest company and we work hard every day to achieve the success we are having and we cannot accept that individuals like this one try, for any reason, undermine the image of AirNav Systems.
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WOW !!!
Its stunning that someone would stoop so low !!!
Well i still love mine to bits ... and am always praising it to others ...
unreal ...
cheers APS
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Hi AirNav
Everywhere in this world it seems that whatever you do,say,make etc,.There`s always someone who disagrees in one way or another but hasn`t got the bottle to get it off his or her chest and clear the air.This leads to envy and jealousy,then they take stupid measures as this person you are refering to has done,not only to give people the impression you have a suspect product and put prospective customers off,but brings the name AirNav and all it stands for into disrepute(which we all know on this forum is quite the contrary).As an AirNav RB and SBS user i`m appauled anyone would stoop so low,but we shoul probably feel sorry for them as i`m sure with some professional treatment they could be helped?.I for one agree with you taking the most extreme action against anyone using this kind of action,regardless of their motives.The law is there for us all,so use it AirNav.
Thats put my 5ps worth in!
Regards Terry.
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Is there any reason that you need to be indexed by services such as Google?
Would a NOrobot.txt type file not prevent this indexing?
Why are you accepting connections from indexing servers for individual topics, if you need to be indexed at all.
Surely you could just have the boards indexed!!!
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jrgloit,
There is lots of information on the forum and indviudal posts and hence its good they are indexed by search engines and customers (whether prospective or current) can find answers to there questions that way.
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Not quite what I expected, but understandable.
Iwould have hoped that your indexing was good enough once I was on the forum, so that external indexes were not required.
Your choice though!!!!!
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jrgloit,
There is lots of information on the forum and indviudal posts and hence its good they are indexed by search engines and customers (whether prospective or current) can find answers to there questions that way.
i have had my difference with airnav but i worked this one out months ago, your lists tells all,
http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?&action=stats
and its not rocket science to work out who it is, and who there backing
i think the world of my airnav and always will,
i will say no more. sorry if this offends anyone.
all the best from pat
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I have only had my air nav a week still trying to figure it out, but love it, thanks to all who developed this device fantastic, and we certainly do not need anyone casuing problems.
airnav1967
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... the same user that developed this illegal activity.
This illegal software ...
Welcome to the Internet, but I gotta ask: what exactly is illegal about this (presuming of course that it's even true) ...?
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I've had my Airnav RB for over 6 months. Apart from slow menus I've been very happy with the box and it's software. I'm looking forward to the v3.0 public beta test and final launch. (Soon please)
It doesn't mean i wont criticise in future where I find shortfall from Airnav. However deliberate misinformation and targeting of a company sucks!
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It takes all sorts to make a world.
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"We have just discovered that a user was developing and deployed a software.....etc etc. "
I really wasn't going to comment on this but I it all a bit hard to believe - both technically as well as the facts .
I have of course no box at the moment(Refunded by suppliers- Thankyou ) so have no axe to grind... but am watching this forum to see how things go before deciding whether to buy another RB or go for the SBS instead.
Try as I may I can't find a recent thread on the subject of deaf boxes that runs anywhere near 15000 views let alone 30,000...in fact there are (over the past couple of months only a handful of threads -and they are not on the subject of faulty boxes - which have even reached view totals of 4 figures and only one really large thread with 5 figures (the Military loggings).
I was always under the impression that for traffic counting purposes places such as Google/Nielsen/Alexa counted only "unique " visits rather than endless repeats....I may be wrong but that's how I understand it.
Yes there are freely available " continuous refresh page" applications - but this stuff is freely available on the net(mostly for use on Auction sites like eBay) and , whist concerted use by a large number of people (in fact a very large number would be required) can overwhelm a server - I don't believe it can influence Google or the rankings .
I'll continue to monitor the progress of the Airnav RB with great interest until I make up my mind who will get my £400. ....Airnav or the opposition.
(if anyone ...as I'm doing quite nicely using Planeplotter as a subscribed master user at the moment- don't need a box at all if there is already good coverage in your locality).
Dave
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Dave: "Try as I may I can't find a recent thread on the subject of deaf boxes that runs anywhere near 15000 views let alone 30,000..."
As soon as we discovered this we have reset the counter for those threads.
"I really wasn't going to comment on this but I it all a bit hard to believe - both technically as well as the facts ."
As posted on our message we take these issues very seriously and we wouldn't bring this to the general public/users if we were not 100% sure about it. For honest people it is hard to people such things happen but, unfortunately, they do. As we told we are now taking serious measures against person and those behind him.
Regarding deciding if to buy RadarBox we posted yesterday a great leaflet that is now being distributed by our dealers. You can download it at:
http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=2871.0
There is a pdf download link in that page for a high resolution copy of it.
Off-the-record: you would choose RadarBox if you knew what we have reserved for the next few months... :-)
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(if anyone ...as I'm doing quite nicely using Planeplotter as a subscribed master user at the moment- don't need a box at all if there is already good coverage in your locality)
Speaking of playing well with PlanePlotter (and other external applications), this is the #1 thing that I've been waiting for to be fixed in 2.1/3.0: external data either over 7879 or 30003 ... can't wait to try the beta when it comes out to see if this has been fixed.
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Just curious as to what you will use the port data for - genuine question. Are you planning to write software, or is there something specific you want to use with RB?
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Just curious as to what you will use the port data for - genuine question. Are you planning to write software, or is there something specific you want to use with RB?
I've written a lot of software and would write more -- if 7879 is good -- or would like to point it at RBs rather than just SBS-1s. As of v2.0, neither are of much use and the database doesn't store enough information to be as useful as reading the feed directly. I think the strength of these boxes is in the data; the real-time interfaces are cute toys, but the historical data that you can collect and aggregate is the real gem from my point of view.
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We do have AirNav Live Flight Data, a software that extracts data in real-time (XML format) from the box. It is simple and was designed for this purpose.
If you are interested in more details contact our support at [email protected]
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I think that the whole port data output has 'dropped of the scope' of late, as nobody seems to have been discussing it. If you are going to write software for RB, then maybe we need to break away from the SBS-1 'format' and ask for a specific 'RB' format instead?
Maybe a new thread on this. As it hasn't been mentioned for ages, and it isn't listed in the V21./3.0 changes, then it probably isn't included in this update. Our fault I guess for letting this slip off the topic list?
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Speaking of playing well with PlanePlotter (and other external applications), this is the #1 thing that I've been waiting for to be fixed in 2.1/3.0: external data either over 7879 or 30003 ... can't wait to try the beta when it comes out to see if this has been fixed.
I'm hoping so too, although there wasn't any mention of the socket output being fixed on the published list of suggestions/improvements for 3.0
Anyway, we'll find out soon enough.
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V3.0 will be released as public beta so we will be open for suggestions for the final release of the application.
jmhayes/DaveReid: please send an email to our support at [email protected] with your requests. They will pass it to us and we will evaluate and implement the changes. There is point in complaining if a features has or has not been added if you didn't directly requested it.
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I think that we need to be sure just what we want from the port output - there was a similar thread regarding the Reports a while back and no two people could agree :-)
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I think that we need to be sure just what we want from the port output - there was a similar thread regarding the Reports a while back and no two people could agree :-)
AirNav stated some time ago that the port 30003 socket output was intended to provide compatibility with add-on applications developed for the SBS, and that the then current status was a work-in-progress ...
Re the 7879 port output, I don't know anyone who uses that for anything so I can't comment.
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What data you need on port 30003 that is not there now? What kind of messages/msgs nr? we can developed anything but we need to know in detail the requests.
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I remember when I looked at this last. I used a very old post by Kinetic to see what the port 30003 output was, but it didn't match the output from my SBS-1, so I ended up very confused.
Is copying the SBS-1 port output going to be a restriction, rather than developing a RB format?
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Found it - dated 2005 though!
http://www.kinetic-avionics.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1402
Dave, I see that you were a key player in this thread - the ideal person to sort out the RB output :-)
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As this is getting off-topic we have created a new topic forum V3.0 suggestions. All complaints about not developed features should go there.
http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=2885
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Whatever the pros and cons of the Radar Box and it's software - you-all may be interested to read this educational and informed discourse on Google's advanced page- ranking system......
http://www.google.com/technology/pigeonrank.html
:)
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What data you need on port 30003 that is not there now?
I posted on the other thread, but for those following this thread: in v2.0 only ADS-B messages were delivered to port 30003/7879 ... so in a simple way: ALL messages that get decoded by the box, with all of the decoded fields available. Simple? Easy policy: don't thow any data away :D
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We do have AirNav Live Flight Data, a software that extracts data in real-time (XML format) from the box.
How much is it?
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Please contact our support for details at [email protected]
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Please contact our support for details at [email protected]
I will, but is that because you want everyone who is interested to ask separately? Can I share what I learn from it on the forum? I'm sure I'm not the only one who is interested ... although from the little that it says on your web site, I think it's a lot more than I'm looking for: which is really just a copy of every message you decode from my box.
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hi.
i just got my airnavradar box 2009. and i love it!!!
it is the best! and nobody can change that'
keep up the good work airnav....from new york city hamerhead''
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Off-the-record: you would choose RadarBox if you knew what we have reserved for the next few months... :-)
Any chance you could give some more "off the record" info, as my Radarbox is currently up for sale, but I could change my mind if I knew what was on your near term "road map" especially if it cures any of the issues that are currently causing me to sell my RB.
I am listening with hope, happy for this to go offline if it needs to :)
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More news on this topic at:
http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=2984.msg27341#msg27341