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Title: who is online?
Post by: alley cat on June 02, 2009, 09:18:38 AM

I've been to:

http://www.airnavsystems.com/RadarBox/network.php

and looked.

There is one in Sydney - me, one in Brissie and one in north SA.

So:  Why is it I am seeing coverage in Melbourne?

Time:2 June 09:18Z

Title: Re: who is online?
Post by: AirNav Support on June 02, 2009, 09:42:37 AM

The page has a disclaimer:

Note that the locations shown may not be accurate.
Red Positions are extracted from the users location (Town, Country) set in the software. Blue Positions are extracted from the user IP address. Some stations may be missing.

Title: Re: who is online?
Post by: malc41 on June 02, 2009, 09:48:11 AM

and the IP addresses can relate to  the ISP location not just your location

Title: Re: who is online?
Post by: alley cat on June 02, 2009, 09:48:46 AM

That's weird.  I zoomed in on "me" and saw the position was a bit off.

I modified it and now I am not on the map.

:(

Oh, yeah I appreciate it is not accurate.

That's why I asked.

;)

Title: Re: who is online?
Post by: colinhall on June 02, 2009, 10:18:20 AM

Alley cat, I have just been onto the map and my position is not on, how do I put mine onto the map please ?  Thanks Colin Hall, near Dover

Title: Re: who is online?
Post by: daveg4otu on June 02, 2009, 01:28:50 PM

Just wonder why the majority of locations are IP/ISP derived rather than actual (from  Geo location)....

My part of the country (SW England )appears totally devoid of active stations - presumably because my ISP(AOL) now have their servers somewhere in the Midlands.

If the location info is to be available - seems pointless unless the  positions are at least reasonably accurate.

Title: Re: who is online?
Post by: malc41 on June 02, 2009, 01:51:22 PM

Dave

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Title: Re: who is online?
Post by: Deadcalm on June 02, 2009, 02:51:56 PM

A few of us laboured this same issue a while ago - it does seem a bit pointless, but we were shouted down by those who, for their own reasons, wished to remain anonymous and hide their location, even the nearest town.  But I thought that there was an alternative map devised whereby we could all register where we were - what happened to that?  I remember I was on that, whereas in the original map it showed me in Germany (my then ISP) when in fact I live in central southern France.  Hey ho...

DC

Title: Re: who is online?
Post by: RodBearden on June 02, 2009, 02:58:51 PM

Following on from DC's post, AirNav say that it's for privacy of individual very shy users. We've gone into this before at great length: this thread http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=1685.0 (http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=1685.0) has 25 pages!

The live map that AirNav provides is the best we have for now, but we all hope for improvements in the future, preferably using our home locations, but with an opt-in button to satisfy the shy and nervous ones out there (for example, maybe it's illegal to use an RB in some places).

Rod

Title: Re: who is online?
Post by: tarbat on June 02, 2009, 03:25:10 PM

The live map DOES use the location entered by the RB owner in Preferences - Home Station Data.   But, and its a big but, only if Google Earth can handle all the lookup requests.  Many of the lookups will time-out, resulting in BLUE pins.

If you want to see the list of all user locations, just right click on the page, and View Source.  You'll see all the locations listed as geoStuff statements.

geoStuff('London','UK',51.35,-0.15);
geoStuff('Sao Paulo','Brazil',-10,-55);
geoStuff('Northampton','United Kingdom',54,-2);
geoStuff('Fortaleza','Brazil',-16.0168,-41.2668);
geoStuff('Oakland','United States',37.5488,-122.3124);
geoStuff('WAL','DE',50.2167,11.9333);
geoStuff('Roskilde','Denmark',56.1,10.15);
geoStuff('Zoetermeer','Netherlands',52.05,4.5);
geoStuff('New Preston','USA',41.6123,-73.412);
geoStuff('Stevenage','England',51.9167,-0.2167);
geoStuff('Almere','Netherlands',52.1833,6.5333);
geoStuff('manchester','uk',53.5333,-2.2833);
geoStuff('Heraklion','Greece',37.95,23.7);
geoStuff('Bournemouth','United Kingdom',50.7167,-1.8833);
geoStuff('Toronto','Canada',43.6667,-79.4168);
geoStuff('São Paulo','BRAZIL',-23.5333,-46.6167);
geoStuff('Eindhoven','Netherlands',52.1333,4.45);
geoStuff('Terschelling','Netherlands',52.35,4.9167);
geoStuff('Manchester','England',51.9667,-2.7167);
geoStuff('Hattingen','Germany',51.4833,7.2167);
geoStuff('Skibby','Denmark',55.75,11.9667);
geoStuff('','United Kingdom',53.4167,-2.3);
geoStuff('Montreal','Canada',45.5,-73.5833);
geoStuff('Wilhelmshaven','Germany',53.5167,8.1333);
geoStuff('Felixdorf','Austria',48.2,16.3667);
geoStuff('CT','France',49.4167,2.8333);
geoStuff('WALLINGFORD','united kingdom',54,-2);
geoStuff('Portmahomack','Scotland',54,-2);
geoStuff('Wecker','Luxembourg',51.4,-1.3167);
geoStuff('Middlesbrough','United Kingdom',54.5728,-1.1628);
geoStuff('','',49.7167,2.8833);
geoStuff('CHATEAU-THIERRY','France',49.4167,2.8333);
geoStuff('Alfragide','Portugal',38.75,-9.2333);
geoStuff('Hockley','UK',54,-2);
geoStuff('Halifax','UK',51.3667,-0.8167);
geoStuff('MANCHESTER','ENGLAND',54,-2);
geoStuff('Woodbridge VA','US',38.8782,-77.1054);
geoStuff('scunthorpe','uk',54,-2);
geoStuff('Bolton','United Kingdom',53.5833,-2.4333);
geoStuff('france','lille',50.6167,2.2);
geoStuff('Klevar','Norway',60.05,10.8833);
geoStuff('Oslo','Norway',59.9167,10.75);
geoStuff('Breda','The Netherlands',52.0833,4.3);
geoStuff('Albertville','France',48.8333,2.1833);
geoStuff('Orlando','USA',28.4807,-81.5518);
geoStuff('Coventry','England',52.5167,-1.4667);
geoStuff('EXETER','UK',51.6,-0.1167);
geoStuff('Girona','Spain',40.4,-3.6833);
geoStuff('Faro','Portugal',37.0167,-7.9333);
geoStuff('Aalen','Germany',48.8333,10.1);
geoStuff('Melilla','Spain',36.7167,-4.4167);
geoStuff('Milton Keynes','England',51.0833,-1.55);
geoStuff('Dromahair','Ireland',52.4,-2.75);
geoStuff('Heerlen','Netherlands',52.35,4.9167);
geoStuff('St Ives','UK',51.4578,-3.3456);
geoStuff('Hartlepool','UK',51.9167,-0.65);
geoStuff('Tokyo','Japan',35.9086,139.4853);
geoStuff('Lincolnshire','UK',53.1167,-1.2667);
geoStuff('Crumlin','Northern Ireland',55.2167,-2.1);
geoStuff('Derby','UK',53.4833,-2.2668);
geoStuff('Kristiansund','Norway',63.0167,7.95);
geoStuff('Blandford North Dorset','England',54,-2);
geoStuff('Bishops Stortford','Hertfordshire',51.7833,0.1667);
geoStuff('Billericay','United Kingdom',54,-2);
geoStuff('Luton','United Kingdom',51.8833,-0.4167);
geoStuff('Madrid','madrid',40.4,-3.6833);
geoStuff('Irún','Spain',43.35,-1.7833);
geoStuff('Peterlee','UK',52.45,-2.05);
geoStuff('SÃO PAULO','BRAZIL',-10,-55);
geoStuff('Huddersfield','United Kingdom',53.4167,-1.9);
geoStuff('','',50.9833,-0.6);
geoStuff('brighouse','United Kingdom',54,-2);
geoStuff('Rotherham','United Kingdom',53.55,-1.4834);
geoStuff('Wallasey','England',53.4333,-3.0667);
geoStuff('Windsor','UK',54,-2);
geoStuff('Ballardsville KY','USA',38.3439,-85.4299);
geoStuff('Bedford','United States',42.0255,-87.8967);
geoStuff('lagarde','France',43.7333,1.6333);
geoStuff('Derby','United Kingdom',52.9333,-1.5);
geoStuff('Templepatrick','United Kingdom',54,-2);
geoStuff('sacramento','usa',38.3928,-121.3678);
geoStuff('Schenectady','USA',42.806,-73.9416);
geoStuff('Crowborough','GB',54,-2);
geoStuff('clipperton','France',48.9833,2.2332);
geoStuff('LFLX','France',48.6167,2.4);
geoStuff('Duisburg','Germany',51.2167,6.7667);
geoStuff('Horsham','United Kingdom',51.05,-0.3333);
geoStuff('Ottershaw','UK',54,-2);
geoStuff('Stockton-on-Tees','United Kingdom',54.5833,-1.4167);
geoStuff('Chichester','UK',54,-2);
geoStuff('Ponta Delgada','Portugal',38.65,-27.2167);
geoStuff('São Paulo','Brazil',-23.5333,-46.6167);
geoStuff('Banbury Oxon','United Kingdom',53.4167,-2.3);
geoStuff('Tokyo','Japan',36,138);
geoStuff('CORSHAM','ENGLAND',51.9,-1.15);
geoStuff('Norwich','UK',51.7333,0.4833);
geoStuff('hednesford','United Kingdom',54,-2);
geoStuff('london','england',52.5167,-1.8833);
geoStuff('Metheringham','England',51.6667,-0.4);
geoStuff('Olne','Belgium',50.8333,4.3333);
geoStuff('Wolfsberg','Austria',48.2,16.3667);
geoStuff('Prato','Italy',43.85,11.15);
geoStuff('Nottingham','UK',50.9667,-1.35);
geoStuff('Tunbridge Wells','United Kingdom',51.1833,-0.6);
geoStuff('VERDUN','CANADA',45.3833,-72.7333);
geoStuff('Brussels','Belgium',50.9833,4.8333);
geoStuff('Biggleswade','United Kingdom',52.0833,-0.2667);
geoStuff('Camborne','United Kingdom',51.4347,-3.18);
geoStuff('Colchester','UK',51.5,-0.1167);
geoStuff('Buchberg','Switzerland',46.5167,6.65);
geoStuff('Massy','France',46.1667,5.3333);
geoStuff('Staines','England',51.4,-0.2334);
geoStuff('Calpe','Spain',38.4833,-0.3333);
geoStuff('Macclesfield','United Kingdom',53.25,-2.1167);
geoStuff('Meigle','U.K',56.6833,-3.4);
geoStuff('Worsley','United Kingdom',53.45,-2.3167);
geoStuff('Ilford','United Kingdom',51.55,0.1667);
geoStuff('Yeri','Cyprus',35.1,33.4167);
geoStuff('LONDON','UK',51.4833,-1.0833);
geoStuff('Heerde','Netherlands',52.3833,6.05);
geoStuff('Kuwait','Kuwait',29.5,45.75);
geoStuff('Cagliari','Italy',39.5611,8.8994);
geoStuff('Frejus','France',48.8667,2.3333);
geoStuff('Almada','Portugal',38.8167,-9.0833);
geoStuff('faro','Portugal',38.7167,-9.1333);
geoStuff('Lisbon','Portugal',38.7167,-9.1333);
geoStuff('London','UK',54,-2);
geoStuff('Hadleigh','UK',51.4667,-1.0833);
geoStuff('London','UK',51.4833,0);
geoStuff('Portsmouth','United Kingdom',50.7833,-0.9667);
geoStuff('Bromsgrove','Worcestershire',54,-2);
geoStuff('Las Palmas','spain',28.1,-15.4167);
geoStuff('LEIOA','BIZKAIA ESPAÑA',43.25,-2.9667);
geoStuff('ballina','ireland',53.3331,-6.2489);
geoStuff('','',54,-2);
geoStuff('London','UK',51.8,-0.35);
geoStuff('manchester','england',52.2833,-1.5833);
geoStuff('','',51.2167,-0.5667);
geoStuff('Londonderry','UK',55.8167,-3.7167);
geoStuff('Cork','Ireland',51.9333,-8.5667);
geoStuff('CHORLEY','United Kingdom',53.6833,-2.7);
geoStuff('Ely','England',52.1,-0.6);
geoStuff('Sutton Coldfield','England',52.4167,-1.7833);
geoStuff('southend on sea','united kingdom',55.3167,-5.6333);
geoStuff('SOISY/SEINE','FRANCE',49.7167,2.8833);
geoStuff('','',54,-2);
geoStuff('Harpenden','United Kingdom',51.8,-0.35);
geoStuff('Lincoln','UK',54,-2);
geoStuff('Cedar Rapids','US',38,-97);
geoStuff('MARSEILLE','France',49.7167,2.8833);
geoStuff('Manchester','England',53.5333,-1.15);
geoStuff('Little Egg Harbor NJ','USA',39.7437,-75.3462);
geoStuff('Albany','USA',42.806,-73.9416);
geoStuff('Highworth','UK',51.75,-1.25);
geoStuff('St.helens','United Kingdom',53.45,-2.7333);
geoStuff('SHANNON','IRELAND',52.4569,-8.6486);
geoStuff('Bradford','United Kingdom',53.7833,-1.75);
geoStuff('Preston','Lancashire',53.7667,-2.7167);
geoStuff('Warboys','England',52.0667,-0.55);
geoStuff('Palma','Spain',39.5667,2.65);
geoStuff('tielt','belgium',50.8,3.1667);
geoStuff('Manchester','England',54,-2);
geoStuff('Faro','Portugal',38.7167,-9.1333);
geoStuff('Waterlooville','United Kingdom',51.2333,-1.6667);
geoStuff('Sedlescombe','United Kingdom',51.5,-0.1167);
geoStuff('Bristol','UK',54,-2);
geoStuff('Edinburgh','UK',55.95,-3.2);
geoStuff('Martock','Somerset',51.3667,0.2167);
geoStuff('Rennes','France',48.0833,-1.6833);
geoStuff('Milton','Canada',43.4333,-79.6668);
geoStuff('Milton Keynes','United Kingdom',52.0333,-0.7);
geoStuff('DERBY','ENGLAND',50.8333,-0.15);
geoStuff('Tel Aviv','Israel',31.9514,34.8953);
geoStuff('Larnaca','Cyprus',34.9167,33.6292);
geoStuff('Silecroft','UK',56.3,-3.5833);
geoStuff('clacton on sea','uk',54,-2);
geoStuff('Copenhagen','DK',55.4167,11.5667);
geoStuff('Newbury','United Kingdom',51.4,-1.3167);
geoStuff('Leigh on sea','United Kingdom',54,-2);
geoStuff('Leatherhead','United Kingdom',51.2833,-0.3167);
geoStuff('Manchester','United Kingdom',53.4833,-2.5168);

Title: Re: who is online?
Post by: sterigia on June 02, 2009, 03:33:29 PM

it is illegal to use in some countries so i don't like being seen on the map
cheers
frank

Title: Re: who is online?
Post by: tarbat on June 02, 2009, 03:36:33 PM

Quote from: sterigia on June 02, 2009, 03:33:29 PM

it is illegal to use in some countries so i don't like being seen on the map

If it's illegal to share in your country, then you can un-tick the SHARE FLIGHT DATA option in Preferences, and you won't share your location.

Title: Re: who is online?
Post by: daveg4otu on June 02, 2009, 03:41:18 PM

Tarbat- that is interesting - if only because I can't find my location in the list(Torquay .UK N50.4745 W3.5121).

Wierd!

Title: Re: who is online?
Post by: tarbat on June 02, 2009, 03:44:47 PM

Dave, do you have sharing turned on?  Check the spelling, etc. - keep it simple, as Google has to work out your location from what you've entered as CITY and COUNTRY.

The coordinates listed are, I think, the location of your ISP.

Title: Re: who is online?
Post by: tarbat on June 02, 2009, 03:56:16 PM

I see there's some "dodgy" Cities/Countries entered, so people might want to check what they've entered in Radarbox.

Breakdown by COUNTRY:

Austria    3
Belgium       4
BIZKAIA ESPAﾑA    1
Brazil       5
Canada       5
cyprus       3
DE       1
Denmark       2
DK       1
England       19
Finland       3
France       11
GB       1
Germany       4
great britain    1
Greece       1
Hertfordshire    1
Ireland       3
Israel       1
Italy       2
Japan       2
Kuwait       1
Lancashire    1
lille       1
Luxembourg    2
madrid       1
Netherlands    7
Northern Ireland    1
Norway       2
Portugal       7
Scotland       1
Somerset       1
Spain       6
Switzerland    1
The Netherlands    1
U.K       1
UK       29
United Kingdom    33
United States    2
US       2
USA       9
Wales       1
Worcestershire    1

Title: Re: who is online?
Post by: daveg4otu on June 02, 2009, 04:02:21 PM

Yes sharing (Share Flight data ) is on. Location info is as in my previous post - can't be much simpler "Torquay UK"...but I would have expected Google Earth to work of the lat/long rather than anything else.

Tho' looking at the  Source code - the info is inconsistent...for example...a user in Portsmouth looks like  correct lat/long...one in Waterlooville (  very close to Portsmouth ) is definitely wrong  ....and one in "Blandford  North Dorset" is wildly  wrong........

So who knows...........?

Title: Re: who is online?
Post by: tarbat on June 02, 2009, 04:18:21 PM

Quote from: daveg4otu on June 02, 2009, 04:02:21 PM

Yes sharing (Share Flight data ) is on. Location info is as in my previous post - can't be much simpler "Torquay UK"...but I would have expected Google Earth to work of the lat/long rather than anything else.

The lat/long you enter in Radarbox is NOT shared.  The map either uses your City/Country in Radarbox (RED pin), or the co-ords of your ISP (BLUE pin).

Title: Re: who is online?
Post by: sterigia on June 02, 2009, 04:22:55 PM

but i want to share my flights but not my location
frank

Title: Re: who is online?
Post by: tarbat on June 02, 2009, 04:23:59 PM

Frank, just don't enter your City/Country in Radarbox Preferences then.   Only the location of your ISP will be shown then, NOT your home location.

Title: Re: who is online?
Post by: daveg4otu on June 02, 2009, 04:29:18 PM

The lat/long you enter in Radarbox is NOT shared.The map either uses your City/Country etc.....

Yes - I understood that  - was  just commenting that it seems  the least efficient way  when Lat/Long  is available (to GE) ...after all we have - just in the UK alone , many instances of  more than one place with the same names.

Title: Re: who is online?
Post by: tarbat on June 02, 2009, 04:49:09 PM

Dave, Airnav have always said that a users lat/long location will be kept private.  So they can't use the Lat/Long from RB.

Title: Re: who is online?
Post by: sterigia on June 02, 2009, 04:56:56 PM

thanks, but my isp is in my home town. any suggestions? i have set my location and city to another nearby country but it still shows my real location.
frank

Title: Re: who is online?
Post by: alley cat on June 03, 2009, 07:57:21 AM

Ok, quick question:

3 June 07:57Z

Who else is on in Sydney?

I am getting "remote" flights near me.

Just asking.

Title: Re: who is online?
Post by: RodBearden on June 03, 2009, 04:52:26 PM

Cosmoc is in or near Sydney.

Rod

Title: Re: who is online?
Post by: tarbat on June 03, 2009, 06:45:24 PM

Quote from: alley cat on June 03, 2009, 07:57:21 AM

Who else is on in Sydney?

You can always check who's online by going to http://www.airnavsystems.com/RadarBox/network2.php, right click on the page, and select View Source.  Currently showing one user in Australia, at Turramurra.

Title: Re: who is online?
Post by: alley cat on June 04, 2009, 08:19:13 AM

tarbat,

I go there now to see.  But it doesn't tell me who.....

I am just asking.

Title: Re: who is online?
Post by: radarspotter10 on June 04, 2009, 09:10:06 AM

Quote from: alley cat on June 04, 2009, 08:19:13 AM

tarbat,

I go there now to see.  But it doesn't tell me who.....

I am just asking.

lets put it this way forget about the map, it useless this is why.
and if people do not want there location put in thats there privilege, if people put in the wrong location that there privilege, in some country its illegal
now ip address can be 1000s of miles away or next country, not trying to start a war
but just think about it,  its not very good.

pat