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AirNav RadarBox and RadarBox24.com => AirNav RadarBox and RadarBox24.com Discussion => Topic started by: Hamish McTorsk on February 05, 2009, 03:59:51 PM
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Hi all, I just joined the forum today after ordering a box yesterday and am hoping that it will arrive tomorrow...I am located 15 miles from EKCH and 10 miles from EKRK.
I have a little link which some may be interested in and was wondering ( I am a total NOOB) how this guy uses Google maps with his Radar.. Take a look. Seems to update every 20 seconds.
http://www.flygradar.nu/karta.php
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Hi Hamish and welcome to the forum!
That's a very impressive site - I've no idea how it's done! All I can say is that he's probably using an SBS box, as he's picking up a Nextjet Beech 1900 which a bug in RadarBox means that we can't locate. AirNav should be fixing this bug in the next software release, due in the next few weeks.
Enjoy!
Rod
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Thanks for the reply Rod, new software huh, maybe I should have waited a few weeks before ordering my box......Ah well, ye live and learn.
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Thanks for the reply Rod, new software huh, maybe I should have waited a few weeks before ordering my box......Ah well, ye live and learn.
Why? It's a simple upgrade process.
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Why? It's a simple upgrade process.
Is the upgrade free ???
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Why? It's a simple upgrade process.
Is the upgrade free ???
Yes, the download is provided on Airnav's site, you download it, run it after closing RB, and then on the restart you have the new version.
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There is no upgrade free.
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There is no upgrade free.
ITYM fee Support!
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There is no upgrade free.
I think that should read "There is no upgrade fee" :-)
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Thanks for all the info: but we have deviated a bit from the body of the post which was ..
I have a little link which some may be interested in and was wondering ( I am a total NOOB) how this guy uses Google maps with his Radar.. Take a look. Seems to update every 20 seconds.
http://www.flygradar.nu/karta.php
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Maybe using Planeplotter. I have a similar process running at the moment that shows all flights in Google Earth - link is http://www.tarbat.gofreeserve.com/google_radarbox.kml
Just open in Google Earth. Happy to explain how I do this if anyone is interested.
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Thank you Tarbat
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I'd sure like to know how it's done too. With that sort of coverage it has got to be more than one RadarBox or BaseStation involved. The distance Stockholm to Göteborg (Gothenbourg) is something like 550km (350miles). The site is unfortunately all in Swedish, but fortunately I lived 15 years in Stockholm so I can tell you that the details you find under the "Om" tab...
Om kartan
Kartan hämtar information från ett flertal transponders. Detta data presenteras här som små plan på en google-karta.
Kartan är "live" utan fördröjning .
Denna sida använder sig av Cookies för att spara vart på kartan man befinner sig, samt utförda inställningar.
Om planens "svansar"
Vid klick på planen, så ritas det aktuella planets färdväg ut med ett streck. Streckets färg varierar beroende på vilken höjd planet hade vid den aktuella positionen. Nedan en förklaring av "svansens" färger.
Siffrorna som anges är i meter. Om planet befinner sig under 100 meters altitud så ritas svansen som vit.
are translated as...
About the map
The map gets its information from several transponders. The data is presented here as small aircraft on a Google map.
The map is "live" without a delay.
This page uses Cookies to save where on the map you are, as well as carry out the settings.
About the aicraft's "tails"
If you click on an aircraft, then the actual aicraft's flightpath is drawn by a line. The line's colour varies according to the altitude the aircraft had at that given position. Below there is an explanation of the "tails'" colours.
The figures shown are in meters. If the aircraft is under 100 meters altitude then the tail is drawn in white.
Hope that helps a little anyway.
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Most likely a private network of SBS-1s using SBSNetPro.
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Andy,
You're a clever chap, surely it must be possible to use the Squawkbox data to display on Google Maps, much the same way you can display on Google Earth? I know that it will only show data from a single RadarBox, but I do like the "clean" display.
http://code.google.com/apis/maps/index.html
Of course, this is way beyond my skill level :-0
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Allocator, I'll have a look into it.
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Most likely a private network of SBS-1s using SBSNetPro.
Or a private MapModeS network :-)
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Or a private MapModeS network :-)
Yes, I think thats what I probably meant!!
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Most likely a private network of SBS-1s using SBSNetPro.
Or a private MapModeS network :-)
Is that "Private" spelt "Illegal" - aghhh... I can't believe I said that - don't anybody answer this - it's a joke :-)
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"There is no upgrade free."
That must be AirNav's best one yet. I did have a little chuckle!
DC
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We blame the snow in the UK for that mistake :)
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We blame the snow in the UK for that mistake :)
Yes, it's the wrong king again....
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This is becoming more like an episode of 'Allo, 'allo...
Suspiciously like the title of the thread - or was that the intention??
DC
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Going back again to the subject of the original post by Hamish...
I have learnt a little more about the real-time Google Maps display. If from the original link posted by Hamish you click on the button "Flygradar.nu" you get a page, in Swedish, explaining a bit more about the site. The paragraph under the heading Information hur flygradarn fungerar ("Information on how the flight radar works") reads...
"The flight radar that flygradar.nu uses is in fact not a real radar of the type that is used by air traffic control, but several radio receivers that receive the actual positions of aircraft that are equipt with Mode-S/ADS-B transponders which send out their positions. Flygradar.nu receives these signals from 10 or so receivers around Scandinavia."
Reading further on their forum (in Swedish, http://www.reseforum.se/forum/flygradar/ (http://www.reseforum.se/forum/flygradar/) ) it becomes clear that the "receivers" they mention above are SBS-1 BaseStations. They are connected in a network using the SBS-1 Ethernet modification as described on http://jetvision.de/multiem.shtml (http://jetvision.de/multiem.shtml). So Tarbat was quite right, it is a private network of SBS-1s.
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Sounds very much like a Jacars/Posfix set up where Jacars provides the SBS signals which are then plotted by Posfix on any map of your choice or design.
You're dependant on others providing live signals of course, much as with our Network, however before I got RB I used that system to give me coverage of Manchester, Liverpool and Heathrow airports.
Flights could tracked right down to landing at EGLL - and they were of course live.
(Didn't cost anything either - all free downloads!)
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Cheers Andy, well I got my RB today and am already picking up loads of flights around southern Scandinavia now I just need go go and buy a laptop tomorrow and then have a little drive around to test the antenna...
I use a Uniden USC230 scanner with a Scanmaster antenna for the voice coms.
The RB and 230 together are a good combination.
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Just to answer the point raised by Allocator as to whether we could all use Google Maps to view our flights output by RadarBox. After an investigation unfortunately it would seem not. Google Maps take their input from a web source, never locally. So there would have to be some way to continually update a file on the net with aircraft positions. Google Earth on the other hand can work on local files.
Despite this I was interested to see that you can load a Google Earth kml file straight into Google Maps by entering something like http://maps.google.com/maps?q=<url of a Google Earth kml file> (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=<url of a Google Earth kml file>) e.g. http://maps.google.com/maps?q=http://www.gfrost.co.uk/SquawkBox/Live_view_example.kml (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=http://www.gfrost.co.uk/SquawkBox/Live_view_example.kml). Again though the kml files need to be on the web, and can't be local.
I can see the point made by Allocator that Google Maps produces a "cleaner" view. What I like about Google Earth though is the real 3D experience with the ability to change the altitude and tilt the view so that you can get in among the flights yourself, watch them pass you by, ride on the back of them etc.
Moving on to the flygradar.nu site discovered by Hamish, it appears that the site is a PHP driven database site. That is, the data from several SBS-1s is getting written to a database (e.g. mySQL) and then retrieved and displayed from a PHP webpage that automatically updates itself every 20 seconds. To have that working at home from your own RadarBox you would need:
1) PHP installed.
2) MySQL installed.
3) A web publishing service like Microsoft's IIS or Apache.
4) A key from Google Maps.
5) ..and not least, software running that could read the port 30003 data from RadarBox and put it in the database.
Quite a package.
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Hi Hamish and all, I've just come back from the "Dark" side and have to say how glad I am that I went for RB - is this how the SBS display always looks or can it be resolved instead of just being a confused splodge, just love the shape of the aircraft as well!
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Hi Andy
if you go with a web hosting service most of what your list is usually supplied as standard by the provider, all you have to do then is to publish your "live" RB or SBS or PlanePlotter data into the database at regular intervals which is very easy to do.
The clever bit obviously is writing the KML/Google Maps/Google Earth interface to the database but there are API's from Google to allow you to do this quite easily with php etc.
I have done this for owners who use my aircraft booking website, they can record there aircraft flights or see where there aircraft is now or it's last known position, provided of course they have an ADS-B out transponder fitted.
If you just want to do this locally on your machine then just load apache webserver, load mysql, load php using the wizards supplied and use http://localhost...
I am sure it is not beyond the capabilities of someone on this forum to come up with Google Earth interface to live RadarBox data.
However I have just heard that out port 30003 live output is about to have the dreaded 5 minute delay put on it for "legal" reasons, which will soon put and end to the "live" part of the above interface.
That will be a shame as that will be one advantage SBS (and PP) users have over us RB users (access to live data).
Ho Hum
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Hi People
Yeap ! For me, all this is not so simple, as I do not write codes....
But if someone can "collaborate" with this....
I can put on the inernet someting like this very quickly.
At this time I am only able to stream live data from RadarBox video and audio from a scanner using WME... It does not envolve scripting, writing codes....
See at http://www.maquinasvoadoras.com.br
Choose RADAR
Cheers - Juan
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Hi, I'm running the Flygradar.nu page.
We are running a network of SBS-1 with own software. Some of the radars are older SBS-1 connected to a computer with USB, and some of the radars are the new version SBS-1e connected directly through internet to our server.
If you have any more questions or want to connect to our network, please contact me.
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Hi Tallyho
Yes, I agree, a lot of what I mentioned comes as standard with various web hosting services. The point Allocator was raising though was whether we could all view our RadarBox output on Google Maps and I expect he meant being able to do so without us all having to set up our own web servers.
I've done all this already, setting up a database driven website that is. As an exercise I created a website that grabs METAR/TAF data for various countries and displays it as a self-updating weather forecasting site. It uses Perl, PHP, MySQL and Microsoft IIS.
As for relaying "live" RadarBox data into Google Earth, my program SquawkBox already does that. http://www.gfrost.co.uk/SquawkBox/ (http://www.gfrost.co.uk/SquawkBox/).
Konsult, great job! great site!
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Ooops Sorry Andy I didn't realise you were the author of SquawkBox... I wasn't trying to teach you to suck eggs :o)
It would appear people are now coming up with their own ways of getting access to live network data.
For my part I get and share mine via the PlanePlotter network which has seen a big jump in contributors in recent months.
I obviously continue to share my live data also on the RB network.
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Andy I have sent you a Personal Message on this subject please read.
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I have a similar process running at the moment that shows all flights in Google Earth - link is http://www.tarbat.gofreeserve.com/google_radarbox.kml
Just open in Google Earth. Happy to explain how I do this if anyone is interested.
Sorry, I've had to close this down due to multiple-connections abuse from IP address 78.148.13.141
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I have a similar process running at the moment that shows all flights in Google Earth - link is http://www.tarbat.gofreeserve.com/google_radarbox.kml
Just open in Google Earth. Happy to explain how I do this if anyone is interested.
Sorry, I've had to close this down due to multiple-connections abuse from IP address 78.148.13.141
Hmmm... interesting. I guess that you've done the RIPE lookup?
http://www.db.ripe.net/whois?form_type=simple&full_query_string=&searchtext=78.148.13.141&do_search=Search
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Yes, I did the lookup on samspade - http://samspade.org/whois/78.148.13.141
Someone using an ISP (Opal Telecom) in Manchester I guess. At one point that IP address had 9 connections to my port 4181, which helps to illustrate the potential problem of these "private" sharing networks.
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Tallyho, yes, no problem, discussing how to set up database driven websites here does at least let others know how they work and how much work is involved.
Oh and many thanks for discovering that the WATCH_LIVE_FLIGHTS.kml I'd used in the SquawkBox archive was actually pointing at the old Live_update.kml rather than the new ~temp.kml (I changed the name because users were clicking on Live_update.kml instead of WATCH_LIVE_FLIGHTS.kml). I've updated the zip archive on the website www.gfrost.co.uk/SquawkBox/ (http://www.gfrost.co.uk/SquawkBox/) accordingly. This change should occur automatically for people that already had the program installed. You should be able to see "live" flights in Google Earth now with the help of SquawkBox.
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Hi konsult,
Are you still there ?
What happened with Your offear of contibuting to tour network with SBS-1 messages ..?
Did the team regret of the offiaring ?
Can You email-me ?
Best regards - juan