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AirNav RadarBox and RadarBox24.com => AirNav RadarBox and RadarBox24.com Discussion => Topic started by: Brian on December 11, 2008, 08:58:34 PM
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How do I go about submitting fixes on wrong information like this type of stuff ?
So it can get corrected on the AirNavSystem / other users side.
I checked/Search the forum and couldn't see where to submit fixes.
If there is a thread/topic on this. Please post a link :)
N241AM is showing up with wrong info on RadarBox.
Wrong info:
12/8/2008 22:11 12/6/2008 0:33 Swearingen SA-226TC Metro II ... Air Midwest A233C2 United States N241AM
You see the old plane info on the bottom on this page as "deregistered"
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNumSQL.asp?NNumbertxt=241AM
This site has it correct.
http://www.gatwickaviationsociety.org.uk/modeslookup.asp
-Brian
RadarBox User Forum
http://radarspotters.eu/forum/
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RadarBox populates its main database from the GAS data, but I don't think that it checks GAS every time.
As RB has picked up the wrong details, just use File > Database Explorer and update the record yourself manually.
See the FAQ here:
http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=628.0
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Thanks for the info.
Just wanted to make sure there wasn't another way.
I will delete the aircraft entry from Database Explorer. So it can get the new aircraft info.
-Brian
RadarBox User Forum
http://radarspotters.eu/forum/
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How does the user know when "RadarBox Main Database" been updated with data from GAS data ?
Is there a page that says what "Version" the database is on ?
-Brian
RadarBox User Forum
http://radarspotters.eu/forum/
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You can't tell Brian. I believe that it's updated "regularly" but I don't know how often that is.
I think that the idea is to keep the access requests to the GAS database at a reasonable level rather than requesting information every time a new aircraft is picked up. I'm sure that Support will be able to advise us here.
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Does the update replace the data on my DB or do I have to always manually edit when there is an error/wrong info?
Graham
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It will not update or replace data in your main NavData.db3 database, it will only add data for aircraft that are not in the database. This is to prevent your manually editied data being overwritten.
Of course, this does mean that if there is incorrect data there already, it will not be overwritten with correct data - no other way for this to work really.
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It you use RadarBox (or SBS) for long enough then sooner or later you will pick up a hex code being used by an aircraft different from the one that you first picked up using that code. Chances are it will be a US code, as they are frequently re-used, but it could be German, French, Bermudan, Israeli, etc.
Unfortunately both the RadarBox and SBS databases are designed around the assumption that hex codes will never be re-used, and so you can only have one set of aircraft details per hex code.
Short of capturing all your Mode S data to an external database and making the appropriate adjustments there, I don't know of any way around this problem.
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OK thanks
Maybe the editing facilities could be improved for a later version. Quite painful having to highlight the cell then click the edit cell button if there are many corrections to add.
Graham
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Double clicking the cell opens it for editing as well - only a small time saving, but every little bit helps.
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You can also press Function key F2 instead of clicking the Edit Cell button or double-clicking - I find it speeds things up a bit.
Rod
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OK will try the double click/F2 and see how I get on. Also can I edit the db whilst not running the app as performance takes a hit. I suppose I could unplug the RB whilst doing the editiing.
Graham
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You can turn off "Process Hardware Flights" while you edit the database. Or use SQLite Maestro.
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OK will try both and see how I get on.
Thanks
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AirNavSystems RadarBox Database server is still sending out misinformation on this aircraft(N241AM). After 8 months of no update. Still waiting AirNavSystem people! So what is it going to take to update your misinformation database and don't say GAS! Lots of people are still waiting for other updates. Something needs to be done this year. Lets not wait till 2015 year on earth.
I don't know why people still buy RadarBox units from AirNavSystems! with all these bugs.
I'm sure Kinetic Avionic Product "SBS-1" unit doesn't have this problem.
Un happy RadarBox User after 5months....
-Brian
RadarBox User Forum
http://radarspotters.eu/forum/
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Brian,
Firstly SBS does not even have an automated database included. So mentioning that is silly (before you start mentioning addons they are not made by Kinetic and anyone can make one similar for RB)
RadarBox is outselling SBS for many reasons and we know your only mentioning that comment to wind us up. With the amount of features we have the more complex the software its impossible not to have a few bugs hidden around. Anyhow there will be a new version soon which should rectify them.
If there is a error in our system which is causing updates from GAS not to be carried through we will investigate but if you expect us to update every aircraft manually then you don't really understand the size and updates needed.
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SBS uses GAS database.
us radarbox user has to deal with two databases! One has good information. and AirNavSystem RadarBox Database server has many misinformation.
Doesn't matter on the size of database to have control over it...
another website has database admins that updates the database every night of the year. and it even has software product pulling information from that same database every night of the year.
There isn't a way for us RadarBox user can pull up the AirNavSystems RadarBox Database on a web interface to view what information it has... or how out dated the information it's spreading around the internet.
-Brian
RadarBox User Forum
http://radarspotters.eu/forum/
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I'm sure RadarBox ISN'T outselling SBS units.
Lots of people have switched over to SBS. Then resold the radarbox units.
and some people even resold the radarbox to another user since he didn't like the RadarBox.
-Brian
RadarBox User Forum
http://radarspotters.eu/forum/
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Brian,
Firstly lets clarify a few things again:
1.) SBS does NOT get updates from GAS. Other applications need to be run to get any updates and SBS itself does not do it.
2.) We are selling more than Kinetic, we are not going provide figures and facts here but we can see much more details regarding the market.
Regarding the other points having GAS pass through the majority of updates and let them handle the database is better than us doing it.
The database for the whole world is a lot of work, were talking about 50,000+ and many of these have to be worked out manually (military). If we were to take this on we would need to employ quite a few people and hence drive up the cost for the customers.
Having GAS a volunteer service where you can all help is much easier as we know and everybody knows to get an aircraft database updated for the world is near impossible.
However regarding our database picking up the database updates we are looking in better ways for it to update continually.
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You might be selling more RadarBox to a warehouse or to NEW stores. To stock the shelves with units. but Kinetic SBS-1 is still out selling AirNavSystem Radar Boxes. Lets get back to the real point AirNav Support. Okay?
Lets see who is selling more units to end users/customers.
okay. Since you wont post facts.
Lets take a look at this Mode_S YahooGroup. The biggest report group on YahooGroup.
Step One: Count - RadarBox User logs.
Step Two: Count - SBS-1 User logs.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Mode_S/
I will let you answer the two steps above.
If you take a quick look. Looks like there are way more Kinetic SBS-1 boxes reporting logs out in the real world then RadarBox units.
-Brian
RadarBox User Forum
http://radarspotters.eu/forum/
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Right were going of the point here.
If thats your market research on who is selling more than you certainally won't be a good markering guy :)
Come one seriously you know thats not an indication of who is selling more etc..
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So I'm a Marketing Research person now huh. That's okay I don't want to be one of them. (No offense to any Marketing research people).
So AirNavSystems corporation support staff is trying to make us feel bad about ourselves on this forum. Maybe I should just sale the RadarBox unit and buy a Kinetic SBS-1 Unit.
You don't need to be a Marketing Research person to look over stuff.
I'm sure with Kinetic SBS-1 software/add-ons. You don't have to restart the computer every night to send out the daily logs.
Like you have to do with AirNavSystem RadarBox product.
That gets real boring to do that every day of the year. Remembering to do that so the AirNavSystem RadarBox software is able to send the logs out daily.
AirNav Support (whoever you are) since I don't see a user name.
Lets get back to the real question.
Lets get back on TOPIC okay AirNav Support.
Lets get all this misinformation AirNavSystem RadarBox is spreading around on the internet. You already have another user saying the AirNavSystem RadarBox Database server information is over 2 years old.
AirNav staff that has access is the only one that can confirm anything. There isn't anything the RadarBox user to go by. Since us user can't request anything over a web interface of the database.
-Brian
RadarBox User Forum
http://radarspotters.eu/forum/
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Firstly lets clarify a few things again:
1.) SBS does NOT get updates from GAS. Other applications need to be run to get any updates and SBS itself does not do it.
RadarBox user's is using the SBS websites to update the RadarBox user database if they choose too. To update their database that is missing/lacking of information that is coming from the AirNavSystem Database server.
That just show RadarBox user depends on Kinetic SBS-1/user files!
-Brian
RadarBox User Forum
http://radarspotters.eu/forum/
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RadarBox user's is using the SBS websites to update the RadarBox user database if they choose too.
Which SBS websites? I find the Airnav database is about 98% correct. The other 2% I get directly from GAS. Airframes, military-mode-s.eu, etc. I don't believe Kinetic/SBS provide any data.
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Which SBS websites? I find the Airnav database is about 98% correct. The other 2% I get directly from GAS. Airframes, military-mode-s.eu, etc. I don't believe Kinetic/SBS provide any data.
Look at all the missing ICAO Type 4 digit codes. I wouldn't think It wouldn't be 98% correct as you say. Lots of the aircraft data had "..." in the ICAO type field. and this was for a major airline aircraft fleet.
AirNavSystem RadarBox Staff is the only one know how much misinformation they are sending out.
-Brian
RadarBox User Forum
http://radarspotters.eu/forum/
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Brian,
You are going on and on and on and on ........... and it's getting really boring.
Have you tried deleting the record you are finding so annoying from the database - do you know how to do this? Then see if the record updates correctly. Maybe you should try asking other users how to fix your "problem" rather than just criticising all the time?
The SBS-1 doesn't have a populated database when it is installed, and unless you install the 3rd party GAS Populate program and use this to populate the SBS-1 database, you will NEVER see an aircraft registration on the SBS-1.
Just lighten up a bit will you Brian.