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AirNav RadarBox and RadarBox24.com => AirNav RadarBox and RadarBox24.com Discussion => Topic started by: cruiseman on November 05, 2008, 08:47:41 PM
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I have AIRNAV RADAR BOX 2007 version.I decided to download the full version of the AIRNAV.I found out when an aircraft appears on the radar i get all the details except the origin and destination.
when I use the 2007 version i dont have any problems i get the orgin and destination on the radar.
please kindly help me to find the problem how to show the orgin and destination on the 2009 version.
thanks
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Hi Cruiseman,
What is it you are missing, is it the actual route like EGLL-KIAD, or are you talking about the dotted route line that appears when you put the mouse pointer over an aircraft on the map?
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Morning All
I have a few problems with routes after the winter change over at this time 07:07 I'm looking at UAL908 crossing the Isle of Man showing routeing KDEN-KORD !!!!!!!
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HMN851X, I guess this sort of problem may be caused by the 1-month expiry time that ANRB works to for routes. I'm guessing that UAL908 only recently changed to KORD-EHAM, so it will probably be a month before that route gets expired and a new lookup is done.
You can update the routes table in Database Explorer, and use something like http://www.flightroutelookup.com/FlightRoute/ to lookup the route manually.
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HMN851X, I guess this sort of problem may be caused by the 1-month expiry time that ANRB works to for routes. I'm guessing that UAL908 only recently changed to KORD-EHAM, so it will probably be a month before that route gets expired and a new lookup is done.
UAL908 flies KDEN-KORD-EHAM, if that's any help.
That's the reason why www.flightroutelookup.com/FlightRoute/FlightLookup.wso?op=FlightLookup asks you to enter the aircraft's lat/lon - so that the database can try to deduce whether it's on the KDEN-KORD or KORD-EHAM leg.
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Dave, thanks for clarifying. I'd forgotten about multileg routes. I'd got the route details for UAL908 from FD7 on 25-Sept, so assumed it might had changed recently.
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HI Allocator,
yes the actual route is missing eg DNMM-EGLL this does not appear after the full version installation.
If i use 2007 version the routes appear on the radar.
pls help
cheers
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cruiseman, some questions:
1. Is it ALL routes that don't appear, or just some?
2. Open the Database Explorer (on the File menu). In the Routes table, do you see routes listed, and approx. how many rows?
3. Can you give us a couple of example Flight IDs where the route doesn't appear.
Routes should appear, as in this example:
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hi tarbat,
1. All routes dont appear on new version 2009 radar
2. all the routes are listed in the database explorer
3. sorry i dont know how to give example but in your example EGLL-EGPD will
be missing on the radar
I wish to inform you that one of the missing routes was DNMM-HECA but when i opened database explorer i saw the route it was there.
The only problem i am having is that the routes dont appear on the radar
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Are these flights you looking at, network flights? not flights you have picked up from your antenna?
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i wish to inform you that i am using the airnav radarbox in Nigeria -West Africa
they are flights picked up from antenna sir
i dont have internet connection sir
pls help
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I am a new owner of the RadarBox and i find it great.
I live in Wakefield, West Yorkshire, UK and I am right under the flight path for Leeds/Bradford and for lots of flights to US, Canada and the Pacific. I see lots of activity every day. Just seen the Air Tahiti-Nui flight to Tahiti via LAX for example.
However, I am disappointed that 80% of flights shown do not show any routings?
I do not understand some of the previous postings on this subject. Do I understand it correctly that new timetables have just been released so the AirNav database is behind?
It seems that there are too many flights without routings? Is there something that I should be doing?
I am on the internet by the way.
Could someone kindly explain what happens with routings updates etc.
Thanks
Terry
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3. sorry i dont know how to give example but in your example EGLL-EGPD will be missing on the radar
Check to see if the Flight ID for these flights is listed in the routes table in the Database Explorer. It would really help if you can give an example of a Flight ID where you expect to see the route displayed. In the example I posted of EGLL-EGPD, the Flight ID is SHT18F.
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hi tarbat,
Thanks for the reply.
I have a few flights that are showing no routes.
One that has just flown over is Air france AFR050. This is listed in the Database Explorer but has no routing details.
Another id UAE36 listed but no details.
EIN376 just gone over not even listed in the database?
Terry
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At the risk of going over old ground, I have had contention with the promised 98% of routes showing departure/destination airfields ever since I bought my RadarBox. There have been many posts on the subject (suggest you do a search through the last 9 months or so of forum entries), and lots of suggestions why they do not all show, and some temporary workarounds (which often make little difference). I've more or less given up trying to get this resolved, but Airnav have promised imminent changes to the routes database which may (or may not!) make a difference. We have yet to learn of the details of any changes, and when they are likely to be implemented.
DC
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Could someone kindly explain what happens with routings updates etc.
This is pure guess work, but this is how I think it works. Firstly, it's important to understand that routes will only be displayed if:
1. The aircraft has a Flight ID.
2. The Flight ID has a row in the local routes table - in column FN.
3. It's NOT a network flight. Routes on network flights are unreliable, until Airnav fix the bug.
So, when a local flight appears:
1. Radarbox looks up the Flight ID in the routes table, and displays it.
2. If it's not in the routes table, or the CH date is over 1 month old, then Radarbox tries to find the route by doing a lookup on the Airnav server.
3. If it doesn't exist on the Airnav server, then the Airnav route server will attempt to lookup the route on their routes service provide.
4. After some time (how long?) this new route will get populated onto the Airnav server, so the next time that Flight ID appears in your local flights, it will get the new route.
So, you'll get no route under any of the following circumstances:
1. The aircraft has appeared in your Networks flight list - the route may be displayed, but it might not.
2. The Flight ID exists in your routes table, but the TO and FROM columns are blank.
3. The Flight ID doesn't exist in your local routes table, and no route is found on the Airnav server. And until the Airnav server get new route data from it's provider, no route will be displayed.
Hope that helps. I find that for aircraft that have a Flight ID, over 90% have routes - see example from my screen now. But I do also make my own updates (http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=551.msg4199#msg4199) to routes as well.
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Thanks tarbat and all for your help.
I understand the search function on all forums but it is great if someone can point you directly to the problem or solution. Reading the previous postings can then be done later.
At least I have some idea of the problem now.
Thanks very much.
Terry
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Hi,
I have just picked up BAW185 G-ZZZA 777 BA.
It does not show the route on the screen but looking in the database file / routes it is in there as EGLL-KEWR.
Why then is this not showing ?
I would say only 10% of my routes show up.
Mike.
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Mike, is there any chance that it appeared in the Network aircraft list first?
And what's the CH value for that Flight ID in the routes table? Mine's 20080831092249
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Hi,
Might well of been picked up in the Network first yes.
There is nothing shown in the CH list.
Looking through the CH 95% show nothing as well.
Mike.
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Okay, if it was picked up in the Network list first, then that's why the route is missing. It's a bug that Airnav have said they're working on - see other threads on this.
You can test this by:
1. Turn network off.
2. Turn "Process Hardware Flights" off.
3. Turn "Process Hardware Flights" on.
The route will then appear.
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Hi,
Yes thats it.
Will wait and see.
Thanks again for your help.
Mike.