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Title: Loganair aircraft - Flight ID Missing
Post by: tarbat on September 01, 2008, 01:58:34 PM
I've noticed that I no longer see callsigns on Loganair aircraft in MyFlights.  I used to always get these, as I reported on this thread - http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=461.msg3366#msg3366

I've confirmed that Loganair aircraft are still transmitting callsigns, since I can see them being shared in Planeplotter by SBS-1 users:
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3013/2816947231_4687ae8e6a_o.jpg)

So, for some reason Radarbox is not detecting the callsigns on these aircraft, where the SBS-1 does.  Are callsigns transmitted on different message types, and is Radarbox maybe missing callsigns on a particular message type?

Can this bug be investigated and fixed please.  Not being able to see a callsign also means I no longer see the route details, which is a real pain.

EDIT:  Looks like this bug may have been introduced in v2.0.  Looking back at my ANRB2008 MyLog, I've got over 400 Loganair Flight IDs in my Flights table.  I haven't got ANY in my ANRB2009 MyLog.

Here's a specific example on screen NOW:
Radarbox:
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3010/2817056549_aa3818290e_o.jpg)

SBS-1 (via. Planeplotter):
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3265/2817905290_2be2618158_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Loganair aircraft - Flight ID Missing
Post by: AirNav Support on September 01, 2008, 08:51:55 PM
So, for some reason Radarbox is not detecting the callsigns on these aircraft, where the SBS-1 does.  Are callsigns transmitted on different message types, and is Radarbox maybe missing callsigns on a particular message type?

Can this bug be investigated and fixed please.  Not being able to see a callsign also means I no longer see the route details, which is a real pain.

EDIT:  Looks like this bug may have been introduced in v2.0.  Looking back at my ANRB2008 MyLog, I've got over 400 Loganair Flight IDs in my Flights table.  I haven't got ANY in my ANRB2009 MyLog.


Looking at your logs it is not a ADS-B enabled aircraft. In this case the flightid is received when a Mode-S Radar bounces of the aircraft. So there won't be a special message type that we can get its could either be the reception of the aircraft was not close enough to pick up the FlightID or maybe some interference.

RadarBox 2009 has not affected the decoding algorithm (firmware) so we are not 100% sure of this.

Keep us posted and we will see whether there is an issue or something else.
Title: Re: Loganair aircraft - Flight ID Missing
Post by: DaveReid on September 02, 2008, 06:48:15 AM
So, for some reason Radarbox is not detecting the callsigns on these aircraft, where the SBS-1 does.  Are callsigns transmitted on different message types, and is Radarbox maybe missing callsigns on a particular message type?

Can this bug be investigated and fixed please.  Not being able to see a callsign also means I no longer see the route details, which is a real pain.

EDIT:  Looks like this bug may have been introduced in v2.0.  Looking back at my ANRB2008 MyLog, I've got over 400 Loganair Flight IDs in my Flights table.  I haven't got ANY in my ANRB2009 MyLog.


Looking at your logs it is not a ADS-B enabled aircraft. In this case the flightid is received when a Mode-S Radar bounces of the aircraft. So there won't be a special message type that we can get its could either be the reception of the aircraft was not close enough to pick up the FlightID or maybe some interference.

RadarBox 2009 has not affected the decoding algorithm (firmware) so we are not 100% sure of this.

Keep us posted and we will see whether there is an issue or something else.

I'm confused.

Isn't flightid/callsign part of the 1090 Extended Squitter, i.e. it's broadcast whether or not there's a Mode S radar interrogating the aircraft ?
Title: Re: Loganair aircraft - Flight ID Missing
Post by: tarbat on September 02, 2008, 07:01:39 AM
That's what I thought Dave.  Hence my question to Airnav "Are callsigns transmitted on different message types, and is Radarbox maybe missing callsigns on a particular message type?"

Anyway, I'll be doing some testing today with earlier versions to establish when Radarbox lost this capability.  Looking at an old MyLog, appears to be around March, which was around the time we were beta testing v1.4(?) and I was having emails with A about testing port 30003 output.
Title: Re: Loganair aircraft - Flight ID Missing
Post by: tarbat on September 02, 2008, 07:13:39 AM
Okay, confirmed this stopped working when v1.4 was released.  In v1.3 I was getting callsigns/flightids for these Loganair aircraft.  Last record I had in MyLog was on 7th March 2008, which is exactly when v1.4 was released.

So, something changed in v1.4 that stopped some callsigns for non-ADS/B aircraft being received.  The SBS-1 receives these callsigns okay.

Airnav, I hope this can be fixed.
Title: Re: Loganair aircraft - Flight ID Missing
Post by: AirNav Support on September 02, 2008, 07:46:36 AM
Tarbat/DaveReid

We assumed this aircraft does not have ADS-B from the log you showed us hence the "1090 Extended Squitter, i.e. it's broadcast whether or not there's a Mode S radar interrogating the aircraft" which is ADS-B messages won't apply here.

v1.4 did not have a firmware upgrade either so this seems intresting.

We will investigate.
Title: Re: Loganair aircraft - Flight ID Missing
Post by: tarbat on September 02, 2008, 08:11:10 AM
AFAIK, these Loganair aircraft are not ADS-B equiped, just ModeS.  They do display altitude and squawk, which suggests to me that the callsign is being transmitted in response to a Mode-S radar station, either civilian on the ground, or military in the air (E-3D).
Title: Re: Loganair aircraft - Flight ID Missing
Post by: AirNav Support on September 02, 2008, 08:14:08 AM
Exactly, furthermore normal Mode-S Aircraft should be showing Flight IDs, if they have it set. This is happening as we can see a few militray aircraft so this wipes out it missing a certain message type hence why we are a bit confused by this.
Title: Re: Loganair aircraft - Flight ID Missing
Post by: DaveReid on September 02, 2008, 08:45:35 AM
We assumed this aircraft does not have ADS-B from the log you showed us hence the "1090 Extended Squitter, i.e. it's broadcast whether or not there's a Mode S radar interrogating the aircraft" which is ADS-B messages won't apply here.

Yes it does apply here.

You are confusing two different things (which AirNav really ought to understand better).

The Extended Squitter (sometimes incorrectly referred to as the "ADS-B squitter") is broadcast by the majority of aircraft. 

The ES has several different message types, some of which relate to ADS-B data (like the ES Airborne Position message) and obviously are only sent by ADS-B-equipped aircraft. 

Other ES messages, such as the ES Identification and Category  message containing the callsign, are sent whether or not the aircraft has ADS-B.  In this case, it's broadcast every 5 seconds and as it's a squitter it does not depend on a ground station interrogation.
Title: Re: Loganair aircraft - Flight ID Missing
Post by: tarbat on September 02, 2008, 08:50:53 AM
Thanks for the explanation Dave.  I remember similar discussions on the SBS-1 forums!!

I've now been in contact with an SBS-1 user on Na h-Eileanan Siar (Lewis) this morning, and he's definately seeing callsigns for Loganair flights on his SBS-1.  The same aircraft on my Radarbox do not show callsigns.

So Airnav, something to be fixed I guess, to get the ES Identification & Category messages handled correctly.  Maybe only certain aircraft transmit this - these Loganair aircraft are Saab 340B.
Title: Re: Loganair aircraft - Flight ID Missing
Post by: AirNav Support on September 02, 2008, 09:04:25 AM
We will take a deeper look.
Title: Re: Loganair aircraft - Flight ID Missing
Post by: tarbat on September 02, 2008, 09:25:01 AM
Thanks.  If you need help testing, let me know.

It's just possible that this has never worked in Radarbox.  The 400+ Loganair flights in my 2008 MyLog might be conversions from my SBS-1 logs, and the output I saw on port 7879 as reported in this post (http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=461.msg3366#msg3366) may have been in response to ground radar requests.

It's only recently I've started looking at Loganair flights, with my wife now flying them!

I'm guessing the callsign is in the BDS 08h Ext. Squitter A/C Id & Category message?
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3069/2820416975_6da0199d13_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Loganair aircraft - Flight ID Missing
Post by: tarbat on September 02, 2008, 01:51:41 PM
FYI, if it helps diagnose the problem, these were all seen on an SBS-1 today  over Inverness (my area):
400721 LOG774 G-LGNE SAAB 340 United Kingdom 12,125 ft 0.000° 0.000° 0 kts 0° 0 5037 13:12:24 02:26:30
405408 LOG833 G-LGNL SAAB 340 United Kingdom 7,250 ft 0.000° 0.000° 0 kts 0° 0 6021+ 11:18:48 02:39:16
400781 G-GNTB SAAB 340 United Kingdom 14,475 ft 0.000° 0.000° 0 kts 0° 0 6473 11:03:26 02:41:48
405409 LOG953F G-LGNM SAAB 340 United Kingdom 12,500 ft 0.000° 0.000° 0 kts 0° 0 5031 13:25:04 02:45:12
400AD1 LOG911A G-LGNH SAAB 340 United Kingdom 9,125 ft 0.000° 0.000° 0 kts 0° 0 7000 10:58:21 03:10:54
400722 LOG912L G-LGNF SAAB 340 United Kingdom 16,200 ft 0.000° 0.000° 0 kts 0° 0 6024 13:05:16 03:17:40
400CB9 LOG916 G-LGNI SAAB 340 United Kingdom 10,950 ft 0.000° 0.000° 0 kts 0° 0 3263 12:23:52 03:17:40
4009C3 LOG896 G-LGNG SAAB 340 United Kingdom 15,875 ft 0.000° 0.000° 0 kts 0° 0 7425 13:28:49 03:17:41
Title: Re: Loganair aircraft - Flight ID Missing
Post by: tarbat on September 03, 2008, 03:50:37 PM
To DaveReid, or anyone else who understands Mode-S technicalities!!

I understand the format of an Extended Squitter message is:
- 5 bits for the "Format Type Code"
- 51 bits for the data (eg 3 bits for category, 48 bits for callsign).

Is there a list somewhere of the various 5-bit Format Type Codes?  I understand which BDS's are used in the transponder, so are the BDS numbers then used as the 5-bit code on the message?

eg BDS for the "Identification & Category" message is 08h, so is the Format Type Code on the ES message also 01000b ?

And which of the 6 ES messages should Radarbox be processing for non-ADS/B aircraft:
BDS 0,5 ES Airborne Position (no I guess)
BDS 0,6 ES Surface Position (no I guess)
BDS 0,7 ES Status (maybe?)
BDS 0,8 ES Ident & Category (yes)
BDS 0,9 ES Airborne Velocity (maybe?)
BDS 6,1 ES Aircraft Status (maybe?)

EDIT:  Thinking back to v1.4 beta testing, this problem ties in to a problem I was working on for Andre on the port 30003 output.  We identified that Type 1 messages were not being output on port 30003, and Type 1 messages are the "Identification & Category" messages that are also causing this problem.  So fixing this problem will also help resolve the port 30003 problems that prevent addons like Overflight Logger working.
Title: Re: Loganair aircraft - Flight ID Missing
Post by: DaveReid on September 03, 2008, 11:27:42 PM
I understand the format of an Extended Squitter message is:
- 5 bits for the "Format Type Code"
- 51 bits for the data (eg 3 bits for category, 48 bits for callsign).

Is there a list somewhere of the various 5-bit Format Type Codes?  I understand which BDS's are used in the transponder, so are the BDS numbers then used as the 5-bit code on the message?

The main ones are:

Format types 1-4 (BDS 0,8):   Identification and Category
Format types 5-8 (BDS 0,6):   Surface Position (NUCp 9 to 6)
Format types 9-18 (BDS 0,5):   Airborne Position (plus baro altitude, NUCp 9 to 0)
Format type 19 (BDS 0,9):   Airborne Velocity
Format types 20-22 (BDS 0,5):   Airborne Position (plus GNSS height, NUCp 9 to 7)

HTH
Dave
Title: Re: Loganair aircraft - Flight ID Missing
Post by: tarbat on September 04, 2008, 11:54:08 AM
Thanks Dave, that helps.  Just one more question, to help my understanding.

So, these Loganair aircraft are transmitting "Identification & Category" messages, and for whatever reason, ANRB doesn't process these.

But what type of message are military aircraft putting out that do get processed by ANRB?  I'm trying to understand why all the military aircraft display callsigns okay, whereas these Loganair aircraft don't.  Do the military aircraft transmit a different type of callsign message?

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3168/2827066335_b44cd2a3ff_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Loganair aircraft - Flight ID Missing
Post by: DaveReid on September 04, 2008, 01:19:46 PM
Thanks Dave, that helps.  Just one more question, to help my understanding.

So, these Loganair aircraft are transmitting "Identification & Category" messages, and for whatever reason, ANRB doesn't process these.

But what type of message are military aircraft putting out that do get processed by ANRB?  I'm trying to understand why all the military aircraft display callsigns okay, whereas these Loganair aircraft don't.  Do the military aircraft transmit a different type of callsign message?

Format Types 1-4 are all ES Identification and Category messages, the difference being that each uses a different set of Category codes (the 3 bits following the Format Type).  Format Type 4 is the most commonly used, but I've seen occasional examples of the others.

Could it be that RadarBox only decodes some, but not all, of those Format Types, and that Loganair use one of the formats that isn't ?

Any comment, AirNav ?
Title: Re: Loganair aircraft - Flight ID Missing
Post by: AirNav Support on September 04, 2008, 01:35:01 PM
The formats are being decoded but there may be issue about them being displayed in the software.

We will rectify it, it has been listed as a priority bug/issue for the next release.
Title: Re: Loganair aircraft - Flight ID Missing
Post by: tarbat on September 04, 2008, 01:43:10 PM
Thanks Airnav.  Good to hear that this is a priority, I suspect it's affecting aircraft other than Loganair, so it will probably benefit most users for this to be fixed.
Title: Re: Loganair aircraft - Flight ID Missing
Post by: tarbat on October 11, 2008, 09:15:14 AM
Sorry to be impatient, but is there any update on when this bug will be fixed?  It's becoming a real problem, with several local airlines not displaying the flight ID.  This is the ONE area where your competitor's product has a significant advantage, in that the SBS-1 displays these flight IDs correctly.

This morning we had both an SBS-1 and Radarbox running alongside, and found all the following airlines affected by this bug - they show flight IDs on the SBS-1, but not on the Radarbox:

BMI Regional
G-RJXL BMA683

Flybe
G-JECJ BEE202

Netjets Europe
CS-DMD NJE4GD

Delta Airlines
N152DL DAL

Loganair
G-LGNA LOG992
G-LGNC LOG821S
G-LGND LOG772
G-LGNF LOG921I
G-LGNG LOG808
G-LGNJ LOG954G
G-LGTI SHT2935

Highland Airways
G-UIST HWY4C
G-FARA HWY109

This bug must have been introduced in v1.4 or later, since this was definately working okay back in February this year - see http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=461.msg3349#msg3349
Title: Re: Loganair aircraft - Flight ID Missing
Post by: AirNav Support on October 11, 2008, 02:44:23 PM
Don't worry Tarbat it is being worked on and is high priority fix.
Title: Re: Loganair aircraft - Flight ID Missing
Post by: tarbat on November 10, 2008, 10:03:23 AM
AirNav Support, has there been any progress on fixing this bug?  Do you have a release date for the beta test?

It's really important to me that I can track the Flight ID's of my wife's flights on Loganair (now Flybe).  I can't believe that I'm even thinking about getting an SBS-1 so I can track these Flight IDs.
Title: Re: Loganair aircraft - Flight ID Missing
Post by: AirNav Support on November 10, 2008, 10:12:25 AM
Hi Tarbat,

You already mentioned this in a post a few days ago. The timeline of any patch is mentioned in there.
Title: Re: Loganair aircraft - Flight ID Missing
Post by: tarbat on November 10, 2008, 10:20:34 AM
No timeline was mentioned, just the statement:
"All of the above have been investigated and only two remains to be fixed. We are always playing with new betas internally so rest assured development and fixes are going on."

My wife starts her new flight schedule on Loganair (Flybe) mid-December, and I'd really like to see her Flight IDs being displayed by then.  Is that a likely timescale for fixing this bug?
Title: Re: Loganair aircraft - Flight ID Missing
Post by: AirNav Support on November 10, 2008, 01:52:21 PM
We hope to have a patch release out for the end of the year or a beta.
Title: Re: Loganair aircraft - Flight ID Missing
Post by: mdobuk21 on November 10, 2008, 07:19:45 PM
just to add i never receive flights id`s from city airlines,loganiair, bmi erj145/135, eastern airways,flybe etc etc, alos i have noticed on sbs1 reports usaf kc135 based t mildenhall use quid as flight id but i never get the id on radarbox! just my bit!!

mark
Title: Re: Loganair aircraft - Flight ID Missing
Post by: CoastGuardJon on November 10, 2008, 07:34:38 PM
We hope to have a patch release out for the end of the year or a beta.

Could it be a useful suggestion to let tarbat beta test (if willing) these patches.........?
Title: Re: Loganair aircraft - Flight ID Missing
Post by: Tailwinds on November 10, 2008, 10:07:43 PM
We hope to have a patch release out for the end of the year or a beta.

When this patch is ready for release, how will we know about it? I mean, which section of the forum do updates from Airnav usually get posted?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Loganair aircraft - Flight ID Missing
Post by: RodBearden on November 10, 2008, 10:10:00 PM
Don't worry, Tailwinds - you can't miss it - there's always lots of forum activity at those times :-)

Rod
Title: Re: Loganair aircraft - Flight ID Missing
Post by: AirNav Support on November 10, 2008, 10:10:55 PM
It will be in main discussion and anyone signed up to the forum will be emailed.
Title: Re: Loganair aircraft - Flight ID Missing
Post by: tarbat on November 10, 2008, 10:50:27 PM
Could it be a useful suggestion to let tarbat beta test (if willing) these patches.........?

Ready and willing!!  I just wish I'd spotted this bug in previous beta-testing, I've really only got myself to blame :(
Title: Re: Loganair aircraft - Flight ID Missing
Post by: HMN851X on November 12, 2008, 08:48:08 PM
Hi all I live at the end of the runway at Ronaldsway Isle of Man and never get any Flybe or Eastern VLM or Manx2 flight numbers yet my SBS-1 box picks them up BUT.....NPT521 and NPT522 always ping which are ATP, but do not track, yet a West air ATP departed the other day and tracked but no flight Number was showing but again on SBS both were showen!!!!!
Title: Re: Loganair aircraft - Flight ID Missing
Post by: CoastGuardJon on November 13, 2008, 08:42:22 PM

Ready and willing!!  I just wish I'd spotted this bug in previous beta-testing, I've really only got myself to blame :(

I just had a feeling you'd be ready, willing and able!
Title: Re: Loganair aircraft - Flight ID Missing
Post by: HMN851X on November 15, 2008, 10:48:45 PM
any idea how long befor the patch will be ready?
Title: Re: Loganair aircraft - Flight ID Missing
Post by: AirNav Development on November 16, 2008, 08:27:10 PM
We already have a to-do list for V2.1 with all the reported bugs to be corrected. Anyway we cannot yet give an estimate of when this new version will start beta-testing/be released.
Title: Re: Loganair aircraft - Flight ID Missing
Post by: tarbat on May 05, 2009, 11:35:49 AM
Does anyone have any idea why this doesn't work in RB?  Does anyone know which ModeS frame is used to transmit the Flight ID on these aircraft types?

In the last hour I've had all the following local aircraft with missing Flight IDs, whereas the SBS-1 and Planeplotter are displaying these FlightIDs okay:
 Reg   FlightID
F-HBXA  RAE557
G-LGNH  LOG83LP
G-JEDL  BEE332
G-SASC  GMA091
G-JECI  BEE324V
G-LGNA  LOG60HE
G-LGNK  LOG24FJ
G-CDKB  EZE64Y
G-ECOP  BEE118
Just trying to help Airnav diagnose the problem.

EDIT:  Found reference to an 08h message type format, which returns the Flight ID.  Format is a bit strange, as it only uses 6 bits for each character of the FlightID.  So, if the FlightID is, say, LOG8925I, how does this get put into 8x6 bits?

And DF20 also returns FlightID, according to http://www.ukintpress-conferences.com/conf/aero04/pres/dawson.pdf
Title: Re: Loganair aircraft - Flight ID Missing
Post by: jgrloit on May 05, 2009, 02:40:13 PM
Compressed ASCII  - I suspect that you have 6 Bytes of 8 bits as space or  8 ICL Octal characters.   Each Octal Character can hold an ASCII character.
If needed I will look out the OCTAL and ASCII Character sets.
Title: Re: Loganair aircraft - Flight ID Missing
Post by: jgrloit on May 05, 2009, 02:49:47 PM
The Logic to Read the 4 characters from 3 Bytes includes:-
copy Character 1   Divide by 4 -> first Character
Take previous result X 4 Subtract from Char 1, multiply by 16 - hold
Take Char 2 divide by 16 add to Hold -> Second Character
Take Char 2 divide by 16, Multiply result by 16 subtract from Char 2 Multiply bu 4 - Hold
Take Char 3 divide by 64 add to hold - Third Character
Take Char 3 Divide by 64, Multiply by 64 subtract from Char 3 - Forth Character.
Repeat for second group.
Compare output with Character sets.   Probably ASCII.
Title: Re: Loganair aircraft - Flight ID Missing
Post by: jgrloit on May 05, 2009, 04:38:20 PM
The ASCII codes are listed from page 54 onwards in the following PDF from IBM

http://publibfp.boulder.ibm.com/epubs/pdf/dz9ar900.pdf
Title: Re: Loganair aircraft - Flight ID Missing
Post by: WAL 2T on May 05, 2009, 05:01:36 PM
It does seem airframe specific in many cases.

Anyone ever seen a Citation or a Falcon with a FID? not just the Netjets ones but those of any operator. Same situation with ERJs and CRJs.

They FlyBe Dash 8 Q400's never have an id but the South Western Dash 8-300s always do, although this is essentially a completely different aircraft.

The only notable exception I can think of is the KC135R: some of them do actually have their FID resolved, eg: 60-0351, 62-3519, 58-0036, 63-8008, 63-8879.
Title: Re: Loganair aircraft - Flight ID Missing
Post by: tarbat on May 05, 2009, 05:42:52 PM
It does seem airframe specific in many cases.

Agreed.  I currently have a DHC-8-311 showing FlightID (WIF0415), but a DHC-8-402Q with no FlightID (but does show in Planeplotter as BEE644L).

What Airnav need to know to fix this bug is what ModeS frames or messages are different about these aircraft.  Without this information, I don't think they'll be able to fix it.

Anyone with knowledge of how the SBS-1 manages to see these FlightIDs care to help ;)
Title: Re: Loganair aircraft - Flight ID Missing
Post by: jgrloit on May 05, 2009, 07:24:37 PM
Interesting complication on the decode front:-
2 Jetstream 41's showing on box, with same Squawk difference in Mode-S is 8 ie 1 bit looks from the timestamps as though the Mode-S is being decoded differently at different times.  - wonder if this could be an indication of other decode problems, including with the FlightID??   - Airnav?
Update   Aircraft are 40098F, 400897  and now 400983 is joining them again??
  Errors in two bits within the Mode-S!!!!
Title: Re: Loganair aircraft - Flight ID Missing
Post by: AirNav Support on May 05, 2009, 07:26:40 PM
Interesting complication on the decode front:-
2 Jetstream 41's showing on box, with same Squawk difference in Mode-S is 8 ie 1 bit looks from the timestamps as though the Mode-S is being decoded differently at different times.  - wonder if this could be an indication of other decode problems, including with the FlightID??   - Airnav?

Sorry can you explain that again?
Title: Re: Loganair aircraft - Flight ID Missing
Post by: AirNav Development on May 07, 2009, 03:39:46 AM
We are happy to announce that this problem has just been corrected for V2.10.
Title: Re: Loganair aircraft - Flight ID Missing
Post by: tarbat on May 07, 2009, 07:11:13 AM
Yes, happy to confirm three FlightIDs seen in just the first 10 minutes of testing:
- HWY3Q on Highland Airways.
- LOG30HM & LOG57HB on Loganair.

Detected in the ES of DF20 (altitude) and DF21 (squawk) frames.  Will test throughout today to confirm full coverage of the missing FlightIDs.  Well done Airnav!!

Also from testing it would appear that the few military FlightIDs that we already see in RB 2009 are transmitted in the DF17 frames.

EDIT: 30 minutes of testing has provided 14 new FlightIDs across a range of operators and airframes (all in DF20 and DF21 frames):
ACA844, BGT21, EIN39C, EZY6905, HWY3Q, LOG14QJ, LOG30HM, LOG57HB, LOG81LE, NWA053, NWA39, QID68, RYR813, TCX69L
Title: Re: Loganair aircraft - Flight ID Missing
Post by: malc41 on May 07, 2009, 09:26:14 AM
Well done everybody, can't wait for the update
Title: Re: Loganair aircraft - Flight ID Missing
Post by: Canonjohns40D on May 07, 2009, 12:02:45 PM
HI all have to agree this sounds encouraging so like wise can't wait for the new release.
John
Title: Re: Loganair aircraft - Flight ID Missing
Post by: WAL 2T on May 07, 2009, 01:10:39 PM
Great news, well done and looking forward to the new version.

Couple others on the box at the moment tarbat, not sure if you're getting them:

CS-DFP: Citation
G-RXJC: EMB145
G-CERY: Saab2000

Thanks for the info on testing the software.
Title: Re: Loganair aircraft - Flight ID Missing
Post by: tarbat on May 07, 2009, 01:27:51 PM
CS-DFP - NJE498D - EGQS-LFMN
G-RJXC - BMA688 - EGLL-EGPD
G-CERY - No FlightID.
Title: Re: Loganair aircraft - Flight ID Missing
Post by: WAL 2T on May 07, 2009, 01:54:31 PM
Worth keeping an eye on the Saabs? Don't see that many pop up down here, maybe a couple a day of those Eastern Airways ones.

cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Loganair aircraft - Flight ID Missing
Post by: tarbat on May 07, 2009, 02:30:32 PM
Worth keeping an eye on the Saabs? Don't see that many pop up down here, maybe a couple a day of those Eastern Airways ones.

One so far - G-CDKB as Flight EZE64Y.

Airnav, are you okay with me posting testing results?  It seems a good way of ensuring we test the most likely non-ADS/B aircraft that have Flight IDs.  It's obviously a very early test at the moment.
Title: Re: Loganair aircraft - Flight ID Missing
Post by: malc41 on May 07, 2009, 02:42:04 PM
Tarbat is that a beta version of v2.1?
Title: Re: Loganair aircraft - Flight ID Missing
Post by: tarbat on May 07, 2009, 02:42:52 PM
Tarbat is that a beta version of v2.1?
No, just a version for getting FlightIDs working.
Title: Re: Loganair aircraft - Flight ID Missing
Post by: malc41 on May 07, 2009, 03:01:26 PM
is this a precursor to v2.1