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AirNav RadarBox and RadarBox24.com => AirNav RadarBox and RadarBox24.com Discussion => Topic started by: b744 on October 21, 2007, 11:12:46 AM
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All very quiet from Airnav so working very hard I hope. Whats not been done is try and let us know what bugs you'll fix.
Can you confirm these will be included;
1/list sort order fixed
2/no more need to download pics...optional
3/option to use pic space to expand my flights list
and then a more robust and user friendly database.
Means I wont be very dissapointed..again...when a new version comes out
Rgds
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We also need the current bugs that stop us from saving each days data into Mydata sorted as well.
Mike
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Hi all,
The latest version 1.3 has been a great success and we have had very little complaints. You were probably disappointed as you had been a beta tester of the other versions but our vast majority of customers who went from version 1 to 1.3 were impressed by the new features we added etc..
The issues you mention will be rectified however 3) you mention might not be implemented as we have not had many issues with it so far. If more customers contact us about it then we will do that.
The update is a month away, as it gets closer we will have more news. Rest assured it is being worked on.
We are not quiet we are monitoring the forums as usual, the difference is now that most customers are very happy and we don't need to get involved :) So we are waiting for requests.
Hope that helps.
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Okay then here are a few little requests to add to list
1. (Interface) The ability to move columns left and right for display order.
2. (MyLog) Ability to either double click or right click to edit information.
3. (RB windows) have each window expandable or even better to despatch from main program (similar to photoshop etc)
Just a few, main thing I'm waiting for is details on the new database structure and usability.
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News from development: working hard as usual and the new MyLog feature looks great. Completely new database interface, much more fast and robust.
Application uses less 70 MBytes of RAM. We are taking our time as V1.3 is already extremely robust with almost no complaints so we have time to develop something outstanding.
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Excellent news Support,
I'm ready for some more sophisticated database tools now, as at present I don't have a record of what I've picked up due to the MyLog database not saving on shutdown.
The lack of sort order in the aircraft list is also driving me up the wall, click to sort by registration, scroll up and down - agggghhhhhhh!!!! the sort order has gone to pot again!
I know that the improvements will be worth waiting for, just work faster please :-)
All the best
Allocator
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I know that the improvements will be worth waiting for, just work faster please :-)
Yes 24 hour working and no time off :-)
Regards
Mike
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We are doing that, not 24 hour but 16! :-)
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I would like to add these to the next-upgrade-wishlist:
* add "Squawk" to the Alerts entries (to be alerted by special squawks like 7700, 7600 etc.)
* option for list w/o any photos (but still downloading GAS and/or Airliners.net updates in the background, if possible)
* list sorting to stay and not to change when new a/c are added
* standalone .rbl-player
* editable NavAids database (VOR, NDB, Fix). Option to add user defined waypoints into this database
Thanks in advance,
Markus
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Hi Markus
Most of that is done for V1.4. Keep the suggestions coming!
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Hi Markus
Most of that is done for V1.4. Keep the suggestions coming!
I'm ready for 1.4 :)
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Hi,
beside my wish-list I would be more satisfied if the program doesn't hang up anymore, when alerts window/ sound is activated. I much more like fixed bugs than new implementations...
Markus
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Hi HH,
Does this occur everytime, or is it on certain alerts. If find issues like this, can you replicate the issue and then send the details to us.
Thanks
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Hi,
occurs often - unfortunately not replicable. I only activate the alert for "Registration" and the only entry is "D-E*". That's enough to hang up the program for most of the time. I had the same problems on antoher PC I used before.
Markus
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Hi,
beside my wish-list I would be more satisfied if the program doesn't hang up anymore, when alerts window/ sound is activated. I much more like fixed bugs than new implementations...
Markus
Markus,
I have only seen this problem being reported by you and me! I wonder if there are any others out there with this problem.
In an earlier post, I asked if you could record which aircraft are causing this problem so that you and I could try to pin this down. I doesn't happen very often for me, but I do think that it happens when I have A38* and L188 in the aircraft type alert box - but it doesn't happen every time!
I've reported this as an error to support (AB) during my beta testing, but I just can't see a trend to allow it to be sorted. It's very frustrating.
Because this happens so rarely for me, I haven't bothered to record all instances so I can't really give support an accurate description of why it might be happening.
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Just joined and my only request is a database from which data can be extracted for further use ie as either CSV or txt or even better a SQB database.
I have come via Acars and the ability to make Acars style logs would be good.
and a link to Airnav Suite or even better a DDE interface
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Is the "trigger a program" in addtion to send an eMail on the agenda for version 1.4?
This would be great. So someone could write his own interface (sms alter for example)...
Thanks,
FFM
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That is in the wish list. Just as curiosity, what kind of program you would like to trigger and for what reason? Maybe that could bring us some more ideas.
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Just been away with my RB and SBS and compared the 2 with no internet connection. Basically they both pick up the same number of contacts even though not always the same ones but I have found this with 2 sbs next to each other. Aircraft plotted more readily on the SBS though and it keeps the data and plot until the timeout where the RB will not.This is a feature I think needs changing...keep plot and height data etc until the timeout.
I know the database is changing but dont know what features yet. SBS writes each new contact to the database and these can be populated later using the excellent GAS populate program or manually,where RB dosent write them to the database so I've had to note these down and add them all manually which is not a good feature...hope it changes.
You've already mentioned the changes that have been made but I would urge you to make the display interface more user changable such as choosing column width (HP-1234CMP dosent fit in the reg column) and as someone else mentioned, changing the order of the columns..great idea.
Please also include the option to use picture space for an expanded aircraft list.
I've mentioned before that SBS has an "interested " column which can be used to highlight an aircraft of interest and sort the list by it. If you did this and then used it with the alert function that would be a great feature.
The SBS database,at the moment ,towers above the RB in terms of user friendlyness. You can edit on screen, add data easly and see historical sessions all very nicely and I hope the new database copies this.
What I would still love to know is if I will be able to use my SBS SQL database,with modification/conversion with the new RB database. Thsi would move the RB above and beyond the SBS.
Overall, because of the SBS database and its contents, the SBS is still, for me the better tool but only a few new features and this all changes.At this point I have to add the contents of the database are down purely to the individual user and the work they put in to get it populated accurately. I really do hope this is the case because I think the RB has the potential to be the best product out there so please get it right.
Many thanks
ps Back from SoCal and the fires so best wishes to all the San Diego based Airnav staff
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Suggest to rename IAS to TAS and Heading to Track in the column headers as these are the proper and PROFESSIONAL sounding definitions of what is displayed. Just a minor issue, but to the pro it looks weird as it is.
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I agree with all that has been said. Just like to add that both systems will be side by side for some time (until the next product comes along!) so if the databases can be as interchangeable as possible, even via a handling agent, then that has got to be good for everyone. It would save hits on the internet for updated aircraft data, flight data.
I even use photos obtained in RB for SBS1 and vice versa - it does save a lot of internet time and hassle!.
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I agree that the SBS database is FAR better than the Radarbox as I work away and can take a copy of the SBS SQL database and work on it to extract the information I want and make Acars style logs via a Qbasic programme
Current RadarBox database seems to be at the Mark 1 stage
What I would like to see ( eventually) is:-
1: SQL database
2: DDE interface to allow Radarbox to interact with Airnav decoder and other programmes as a local server as ACARSD can do
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What is the planned date of release of 1.4?
Markus
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Should be in December if everything goes well.
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Hi HH,
Does this occur everytime, or is it on certain alerts. If find issues like this, can you replicate the issue and then send the details to us.
Thanks
Finally got to grips with alerts and I have a mixture of hex codes such as AE* and 50835 in the list and mine plays a trumpet when an aircraft in the list appears. I have not had to reload the list and it has been available each time I log on. Just one point - it only accepts .wav files and AIrNav don't supply any and I doubt that they are the music/sound files of most peoples choice. Can we either have some .wave files supplied or allow use of other types? so that I can use some of those from my mobile.
Mike
p.s. first time a C17 Reach flight (AE* hex from list list) came on screen and the trumpet played it made my wife jump and she asked me to turn it off. She has no chance........
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Hi Airnav
its almost 2 weeks later, how is V1.4 coming along?
regards Marc
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Less than two actually :) Going well, still a few weeks of at the least so we cannot say too much. Once we have news it will be posted on the forum first.
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thanks
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It would be a good program to bring the real radar system EUROCAT 2000
http://avsim.com/greece/hvacc/events/real_life_events/Athens_ACC.htm
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Hello "Live ATC",
what a hell of phantastic inside information regarding REAL ATC. Will take me days to read through all of it and its accompaning links, that are of course a matter of great interest as well.
Never seen something like that before, wish I had the equivalent here in germany, even part of it would do. DFS (Deutsche Flugsicherun) beeing the authority that takes care of ATC here.
GREAT ! thanks a lot !
Karl
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That is in the wish list. Just as curiosity, what kind of program you would like to trigger and for what reason? Maybe that could bring us some more ideas.
Sorry, I haven't been here for some time, because I returned my Radarbox for a firmware update.
The trigger should be able to start a program with command line arguments.
So I could send an eMail when the new Airbus is around or send an sms to my mobile phone for example. I do have these programs already. They just would have to be started by the AirNav Radarbox software based on specific filters.
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hi there, how about the following additions:
1. add holding pattern creator, whereby a user can enter the position/select beacon and inbound track, specify if it is 1min or 1 1/2 min legs, left/right hand pattern and then add to onto the map?
2. Lat/Long converter converting degrees to decimal?
regards
Marc
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I'm a new user. I LOVE the RadarBox!
Have some suggestions - may be duplicates of those on this thread...but I'll go ahead anyway.
1. ACARS - Allow connection to other ACARS software (e.g. WACARS)
2. Add AIRPORTS to advanced filter menu (now just a/c, range altitude)
3. Add airport as a center point for range filter (e.g. filter all flights within 100nm of EGGL)
4. Allow selection of Interface buttons to manage space (i.e. I can remove the 'NETWORK' button, if I don't use it.)
5. Make toolbars moveable (now, they are fixed vertically. I have a wide screen, so would put them side by side)
6. Make buttons customizable (similar to #4, but use approach that MS EXCEL or WORD have to customize what buttons show, don't show)
7. Make photo window size variable (i.e. allow me to make it taller or shorter, depending on space needs for the log list of flights. Cuts off data now)
8. Show a data volume counter for those of us with b/w restrictions (KB sent, KB received)
9. Add link to liveatc.net for airports (i.e. click on EGGL and you can open up the liveatc.net link to the live ATC audio for that airport)
10. Right button - make it do something! (I see the 'i' bar that says 'click right mouse for more options', but hardly see any more options!)
11. When multiple map windows are open, Radar rings disappear randomly from one or other.
12. Add fast forward/rewind to the Data recorder options. Maybe just 'speed' button for 2x, 4x, 10x, etc.
13. Add quick keys for zooming map (e.g. '+' on number pad for zoom in, '-' for zoom out, etc)
14. Clean up the location of the 'Hardware connected' icon. Very oddly placed. Maybe in a drop down menu?
15. Add more condition options to the quick filter (now just <>, = and 'like'. Need 'contains', '>=', '<=', 'does not contain')
16. Is there a way to update the database for new airlines, routes, etc? (I click on 'Help', 'Check for updates' and nothing ever seems to happen.
17. Add 'contact RB user' so we can click on a networked flight and contact the RB station owner tracking that flight. May add even more sense of community.
18. Allow editing of drop down menus (Maps, Quick List Filters, Destination, origin, etc)
19. Add a 'route' overlay, and allow imported routes (e.g. NATS routes)
20. Allow editing of the Aircraft Tag box (e.g. add/remove a/c type, destination, route, speed, etc)
That's all I have for now. These are just my observations when starting to use the software - and looking for more intuitive features.
Thanks for reading!
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All copied. Thanks a lot for the suggestions. Some of them on V1.4 but most on future versions. Keep the suggestion coming please.
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Back to track I am, since I became back my little box from the repair in portugal.
All functions do well and I can wait for a further patch ;-)
Thanks a lot to airnav team for best support in my case!!!
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HI GUYS, not sure if it has been mentioned, but it would be nice to have a logger whereby all the flights gets logged in a file similar to Airnav Acars decoder. and a database logger whereby you can select which aircraft you want to add.. for instance I would like to view network traffic but dont want to log them.. I only want the aircraft I pick up to be logged in some sort of database.. looking forward regards
Marc
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Hi Marcdeklerk,
A lot of those points you have mentioned are already in RadarBox 2007 or very similar types of functions. Send us as detail emailed if you want something very specfic.
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hi Airnav, thanks for reply, I meant if you could create a program similar to Acars Analyzer by David Tiggs, as I mentioned a while back. It would be very nice. David also informed me that is is working on a Radarbox Analyzer, but its going to take time. Maby Airnav can jump ahead and add such feature "build in" to V1.4?
The program logs all the received data into a "list" and gets sorted by Airline/received aircraft types/date/number of received messages/ect. and ofcourse a picture.
hopefully this clarify my previous post
thanks
Marc
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That wil be in Version 1.4 as a SQL Database. :)
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thanks!
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Airnav, Its almost Chritmas time, can you please tell us how V1.4 is coming along? I would like to help and test the Beta version? any chance..
thanks
Marc
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Hi Marc,
Its still in testing at the moment, its been passed out internally and to a few other customers. Once they are happy with it we may release a public beta.
Not too long we hope :)
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In one of the next upgrade, please add the ground as google map, like seen in the live track program of zurich, switzerland in a other thread here. That would be great for the most part of the RB users. On the website of them you can see the email adress of the developers- I think they are so kindly to give you some answers ;-)
Lets be surprised.
Walter
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good idea!
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Its too late of this upgrade at the moment (1.4) but it could be in others.
However to all addon developers it is not hard to do from our feed on port 7879 :)
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However to all addon developers it is not hard to do from our feed on port 7879 :)
Is that a five minutes delayed feed ?
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Yes it is. Our concern would be if we created a similar google map with Live output that customers would add this to websites and break regulations by distributing Live information.
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Any more info on an estimated release date for 1.4?
Thanks,
Mark
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Hi Mark,
Its still in testing at the moment as other members of this foum can verify. We are just making sure everything is 100% perfect before we release. Should not be too long now.
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Thanks!
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Just a small thing (I hope) and I don't think its been requested previously....I have got into the habit of watching activity full screen and really miss the comfort of seeing the Messages/second varying. Any way that it could be incorporated into the full screen toolbar ??
Regards
Bill
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Suggestion noted, and will be passed on :)
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I'm still waiting for my christmas present?!? ;)
Markus
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One other thing that I forgot to mention in my last upgrade request - much longer trails (like, dare I say, SBS). I frequently take my ARB to The Hague and have the two "boxes" running side by side - given Schipol's peculiar wind conditions there are very often some remarkable stacking patterns over the North Sea - I can only see them with long trail retention times - typically an aircraft trail remains for the entire screen traverse on the "other" box.......could this also be included in an upgrade - please ??
Regards
Bill
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Hello Bill,
If you go to File > Preferences > General tab there is a option where you can adjust
the time the trail stays on the screen, default this is set to 300sec (5 min), if you increase
this value trails should be visible for the time you set this value too.
I watched some pretty amazing seperation today above the Ijsselmeer and the Flevopolder
(Artip holding area) when due to weather Rwy 27 was used for starts and landings during the morning landing peak.
Regards,
Marinus.
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Hi Marinus,
Thank you for the suggestion.
I have the retention time set for 10,000 secs but this has no obvious effect as "seconds to remove trails lines" appears to be overridden by "seconds to hide timeout flight" (max user adjustable parameter 1440 seconds) My request really concerns the fact that the trails are aways a finite length (maybe 4 cm max) regardless of the time adjustment as the "end" seems to track the plane across the screen caterpillar style, rather than just growing longer ! I think it must be something to do with the way the software manages the incoming data to reduce processor load.
Or is there another trick that I have missed :-)
Regards
Bill
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Hi Bill, now I see your point. That feature would indeed be nice to have
in a future release....
Regards,
Marinus.
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Hi All,
i hope that in V1.4 it was possible to adjust the trails line.(with long time or
long trace - good idea)
For my experience, i like to "track", with the trails line, some specials flights
as technical tests (A380), photographics mission or when there is bad weather
conditions and some flights are "waiting" over the mediterranean ... and some times
only to observe flying circuits.
it's not necessary to have a long trace for all flight, but at least for the flight
who is tracking.
Actually it's too short trails.
With the SBS-1 it's works well.
An idea of the date of exit for v1.4 ???? we are in middle of January !!!!
Patrick / F6GSG
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The requests recieved lately will be pushed into 1.5 otherwise we will never finish 1.4 as we get requests daily.
We are hoping our testers will give it the thumbs up in a few weeks and we can release.
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Hi,
so i understand, but actually the parameters of time of trial lines
do not work (or not upper 300 !!).
We look forward the 1.4 !!! few weeks !!!!
Thanks,
Patrick / F6GSG
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How about adding a weather picture download and overlay function, whereby realtime weather could be downloaded and added onto the map? - then we can see if aircraft "request weather avoidence" what they are avoiding?
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We have a similar faeture in Live Flight Tracker Proffesional (only US). However not a weather radara source for Europe yet.
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I am in South Africa, what about www.weathersa.co.za ? click Aviation on top
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Dont know if its just me but we seem to be waiting a very long time for this. I seem to remember twice being told its release was just about to happen. As its taking alot longer am I to expect a whole lot more than Ver1.4 or are you just experiencing major problems ??
Always nice to know where we stand,
Rgds
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I also can hardly wait to lay my hands on version 1.4, not in the least because
it offers so much more than version 1.3, the release of the 1.4 manual has become
a real tease now.....
But as a former beta tester for ANST/ANAD and ANSD I also know it is important not
to release software before most (all) bugs have been fixed, I assume that hasn't
happened yet.
But I sure would like to know or be updated on where we stand right now...
Thx,
Marinus,
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Hi B744, Marinus,
Version 1.4 is in beta stage but we are still getting feedback from those who are using it and we are making sure that it is 100% finished and there are no bugs.
There is one ongoing issue with Version 1.4 which is delaying the release and we don't want to release it untill that is fixed.
The manual shows the functions included and there shouldn't be any extras. Unlike some of the past software changes where customers really needed, this is more of an upgrade rather than a patch so we are making sure things look great from the start.
Hope that explains things better.
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Very clear !!
Thanks for the update.....
Marinus.
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Unlike some of the past software changes where customers really needed, this is more of an upgrade rather than a patch
Well the fact that with 1.3 I have not been able to save anything I have picked up as it all disappears on closing down I do think a fix to that bug is really needed and has been since 1.3 came out. Please dont keep us waiting much longer :-(
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Any news yet on the release date?
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Quick question from yet another newbie (brilliant bit of kit by the way) with apologies if it has already been asked and answered - when 1.4 is released, will existing users have to pay for it?
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No, of course not. :)
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Excellent - thanks :-) :-) :-)
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I would like to add these to the next-upgrade-wishlist:
* add "Squawk" to the Alerts entries (to be alerted by special squawks like 7700, 7600 etc.)
* option for list w/o any photos (but still downloading GAS and/or Airliners.net updates in the background, if possible)
* list sorting to stay and not to change when new a/c are added
* standalone .rbl-player
* editable NavAids database (VOR, NDB, Fix). Option to add user defined waypoints into this database
Thanks in advance,
Markus
Hi Markus
Thats a great idea about the editable NavAids database (VOR, NDB, Fix), as I have noted that the new NOTA region in Irish airspace, is not included even though it has been in operation since 01/01/05.
Regards
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any update Airnav on V1.4?
thnaks!
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Well, they (AirNavSupport) only said "December" but did not specify the year ;)
Best wishes & have fun,
Markus
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We are happy to announce that yesterday V1.4 passed one of the most intensive tests (done during 2 weeks) so the release is getting closer. It is being prepared to work 24/7/365 on major airline operation centers and memory does not raise above 65 Mbytes even after 2 weeks working nonstop. More news to come.
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Let's go!
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Bring it on ! :-)
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Wonderful!!!
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Great news looking forward to it!
Regards
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We are now still doing the final tests on the brand new MyLog feature. After this it will be beta tested by our 3 most experienced users. Only after that open beta testing. We will keep news coming.
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Ok ... good News,
But in practice, when shall can we dowload it ?
how long this "last" test ?
(a date please , not "in a few weeks" ...)
Regards,
Patrick / F6GSG
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Well, it is only 10 months till the next December :-)
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If we had a specific date we would pass it to our users. The problem is that we don't have it yet.
So to keep it simple:
- Before end of March: 100%
- Before end of February: 75%
- Before February 15th: 50%
Hope this makes it clear. :-)
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Hi,
Not clear and Not funny !!!!
Why it's also long ?
We cannot test this version, with the risks ?
So i can only wait ....
Patrick / F6GSG
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You have to patient.
AirNav RadarBox is the first worldwide flight tracking software capable of getting data from the internet/hardware. It requires a lot of time to change the application and a lot more to test. It is a work of great responsability since we have many important customers (airlines, airports and research companies) working on it so we will never release it unless the criteria above are guaranteed.
As we have told before we want V1.4 to be fast, robust and reliable. It has to use low CPU and low RAM values. We will do whatever is needed to achieve this. If we cannot guarantee it we will simply not release it. That's why it hasn't been released yet.
Just a curiosity RadarBox Software has now 250 thousand lines of code.
So please continue to be patient. V1.3 works Ok for 99% of the users and V1.4 has a lot more interesting features.
Unlike other companies that continue to promise features that they know will never be released...AirNav Systems promises and delivers.
So you can be 100% sure it will be out when all issues are corrected.
For dates, see our post above.
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My Radarbox is only on as backup to another ADS-B device because v1.3 does not allow me to keep aircraft seen in MyLog after I switch off. When this was found - and it is a major flaw for lots of users - I thought we would only be waiting a couple of months. I have now had my radarbox since early after its release and it still does not do the main thing I want. Log aircraft I see.
I have no complaints about it purely to watch aircraft on screen but the above fault means it is of little real value to me. I suspect this note will be removed as I am not happy with you but please be aware it is frustrating and recalls the early days............ :-(
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We will not remove the note, of course.
We are aware of that problem and of course it is totally corrected. In fact V1.4 comes with a new mylog feature inside that is almost a program inside another program.
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You must understand the frustration.
Take today for exmple a U2S took off from Fairford (UK) and climbed to FL600 Yes FL600, but even having had it in the list for a long time when I closed down the session that item is lost to me for ever. Thank god I had it recorded in my other device as well.
Please, please don't keep us waiting a second longer than necessary
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Not at all. We understand it. And be sure that after V1.4 you will never use RadarBox as a backup again.
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Hi AirNav
Is it possible to include a vertical analysis in altitude, of the Polar diagram, in a new version of the RB ?
Regards
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Just added your request to the wish list. Very difficult for V1.4 but totally possible for the future. Any more requests and suggestions are welcome.
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Any more requests and suggestions are welcome.
One suggestion for a future version. Have an option to actually predict the position of networked aircraft rather than showing the prediction vector. And allow the user to select an altitude below which networked aircraft position isn't predicted.
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Hi Airnav
I would like to adress two requests:
1- I would like that when launching RB it opens in a window with the rize and position on the screem, that it was at closing the program time, just like Internet explorer does.
2- I woul like that RB to have several pre-defined map sizes, ie 640 x 480, 800 x 600 and that the sizes can be selected, for instace from a pull down menu.
I think that this will be useful to help on standarizing the sreenshot that o lot of people put on this forum
I have SBS-1 and two RBs, at this time I´m in love with my RBs, they are marvelous !
Best regards - Juan
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Tarbat: how can you know when an aircraft will be in 5 minutes time? Imagine one flight turing into a final ILS approach. Let's assume the runway heading in 030 and that the aircraft heading is 060. If you do a 5 minute prediction the aircraft would overshoot the final approach. Let me know more details.
Juan: request copied. Keep the good work and we will be here to help you all with new features.
I've also closed this topic. Please change to "RadarBox 1.4 - Point of Situation" for V1.4 news.