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AirNav RadarBox and RadarBox24.com => AirNav RadarBox and RadarBox24.com Discussion => Topic started by: Deadcalm on August 10, 2008, 07:17:20 PM
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I see this old chestnut is raising its head again. As a number of users have mentioned it, and AirNav seem to think few users want it, let's have a definitive poll here and judge the actual popularity of the idea. I hasten to add that this should include those who like the idea, but don't necessarily consider it urgent, or a showstopper!
As Airnav proudly boast, there are now 1000 forum members, so it should be a lively debate. Or not.
I, for one would like to see windows that may be undocked available as soon as possible.
DC
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I'm definitely in the "nice to have" camp here, rather than considering it essential. I use 2 monitors and the second monitor is for everything else - web browser, radio scanner interface, email, Paint Shop Pro for manipulating logos, flags and pictures for RadarBox etc. So if I could have RadarBox undocked on 2 monitors, I'd probably only use it like this 10% of the time or less.
On the other hand, if I had 3 monitors ...........
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From my own personal perspective, I would prefer that Airnav devote their development resources to other priorities. There's many suggestions posted on this forum, too numerous to list here, that would be higher up my list of priorities. I woulnd't want to hijack this thread with my list of priorities.
You've got to look at it from Airnav's perspective. Would having undockable windows help to sell more units? What percentage of PCs have more than one monitor connected?
Maybe a list of all the features that have been requested would help identify where development priorities should be assigned.
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I'm much the same as Allocator, 1 for the radarbox and the other for everything else. A complete wish list would be nice but then everyone wants something different trying to keep everyone happy isn't easy.... poor Airnav
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I'm in the "possibly nice sometime in the future" camp - I've just bought a 22" screen for less than 130GBP and I can see pretty much all I want to see with that! Could just do with having my eyes a bit further apart now :-)
Rod
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Well obviously you can count me in for the feature as running RB on a single 19" LCD monitor limits the amount of info I can see and makes for some uncomfortable squeezing of the radar screen and omitting various columns in the aircraft list...
Regards,
-=Glyn=-
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Think you have to remember that undocked windows does not mean you need two monitors, just means you have greater control over sizing and positioning on screen, either on one, two or even three monitors. Anyone that uses Adobe products will be aware of this.
Current design restricts the layout, size and position of each section. For example if you want the map larger on screen you have to sacrifice something else.
If you could undock windows you then have full control over all aspects, even if only on one monitor.
Again example, if only one monitor and you only need the map and Mylog windows it means all the space on the monitor can be used for just those two items, the main program window can then be minimised.
Having more than one monitor is just a bigger bonus...
Do not want to turn this health discussion into a problem, but think this one feature would take radarbox to the next level in user interface far more than some of the new features in next release. That's not knocking what's coming in next release just highlighting what "I" think would be a major step forward.
As for Airnav, keep it coming as a Ex-SBS1 user its refreshing to see posts from Airnav staff daily unlike what happened some where else!!
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Thanks for all your emails.
The undockable windows feature had not been added to V2.0 but will be for 2.1 (as well as other suggestion who might come in). Keep them coming please. They are all noted and added to the application wish list.
Thanks for your nice comments. AirNav is a game changer company. We want the feedback of our users and we will add their suggestions. Just have a look at V2.0 suggestion list and you will see that 80% of the new features are user suggestions. It will always continue like this.
We do have a major project going on here where the biggest airlines in the world will start using our software (more news soon). Even with it rolling we are developing non-professional solutions and releasing V2.0 quite soon.
Thanks again for all users comments and do your part: spread the word with your friends about our system. we want to see more and more customers coming in.
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Hi All,
I'm all for having undockable windows. I've got 2 monitors linked up to My PC, so it would be nice to be able to un-dock & move say the Map window, then have the other windows sized on the second monitor.
But as Airnav have already answered with this option being available in v2.0 then thats cool. Looking forward to it.
Keep up the good work Airnav.
SteveR
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Thats available in Version 2.1 not 2 Steve R just incase you have misread :)
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No worries, I knew there was a 2 in there somwhere, lol.
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Interesting. Six days have passed, 1000 forum members, 261 views, yet only 8 users have expressed an opinion one way or the other...
... I'll get me coat.
DC
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The silent majority, or is it a silent minority ..........
I'm sure it's one of those functions that if AirNav could make it happen, we'd all say "I don't know how I managed without it!"
Don't despair DC, at least nobody said it was a daft idea :-)
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Interesting. Six days have passed, 1000 forum members, 261 views, yet only 8 users have expressed an opinion one way or the other...
... I'll get me coat.
DC
Think you'll find the topic has been discussed for a lot longer than six days..... That was only the latest instalment. How do I know, cause I'm the one that start the request sometime back.. ;)
And I for one am very glad Airnav will be introducing it into 2.1, for those that have not used undocked windows or can't see the need, let here from them after it's a feature.
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Maybe I'm being thick, but I can't think of any other software I use that has undockable Windows. I'd like to see why others like undockable windows, so how would I know if a Window is undockable in another program?
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I suppose we're looking at something similar to the Database Explorer, that opens in a new window which can then be dragged to a second monitor. A "New Map" window that acted in the same way would do the trick, as long as it was sizeable. You could then close the map window within the RB interface and maximise the aircraft list.
I'm sure that this would have horrible programming challenges though :-O
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Well, the trouble with the Database Explorer window is that it obscures the aricraft list. I drag it somewhere else, but next time I open ANRB it obscures the list again.
So is this something really only of use with 2 monitors? I've got all these 100+ programs installed, and can't think af any where I can/want to undock windows.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3286/2767661157_2e40fe3ed8_t.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tarbat/2767661157/sizes/o/)
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Tarbat,
As I said, it's not something that I'm really going to get excited about one way or the other. I can see the advantage of having a full screen radar display on one monitor and the full width aircraft list on the other. It's OK with my big monitor running at 1280 x 1024 and it's OK on my wide-screen laptop, but it can be a bit crowded on my smaller monitor 1024 x 768.
As it is, I can't see all the columns I want to see in the list whilst keeping the map a reasonable size. I usually have the "ADS-B Only MyFlights button hidden by the map - I bet there are some people who don't even know this button exists :-)
Whilst I rarely use the Esc - full screen view (just selected it now), it does give a very good (and impressive to visitors when giving a demo) display and if I could have the list visible on my other screen, then I would. My 2 screens are a different size as noted above, so I can't really drag the RB window to cover both.
Is it raining up there in the frozen north? It's pouring down here in the Midlands - never mind, it's the indoor RC flying day tomorrow at my local club, just right for the summer!
All the best
Allocator
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Yes, I can understand the need for people with 2 monitors. Its just when DaveG said ".......for those that have not used undocked windows or can't see the need, let here from them after it's a feature.", it made me think that perhaps I was missing something as a 1280x1024 single monitor user. I just can't think of a use for undockable windows on a single monitor.
Anyway, it's blue skies and 23c up here in sunny Scotland :)
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The sun shines on the righteous :-)