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Title: ARB taking time to populate My Flights on start-up
Post by: Bell 407 on November 09, 2009, 09:50:17 AM
Hi All,

I have noticed over the past week that each time I start ARB, it is taking longer and longer for My Flights to be populated and shown on the screen.

This may seem pedantic but it can be anything up to 1 minute before the flights are displayed.

Bear in mind that we don't have major traffic down here in South Africa with probably at most 15 aircraft in My Flights folder at any one time.

The interesting thing is that the RadarBox itself flashes all the correct lights as soon as the Start button is pushed but it takes a while for the My Flights to be populated.

Any ideas?
Title: Re: ARB taking time to populate My Flights on start-up
Post by: Jeremy on November 09, 2009, 09:56:57 AM
Same here.
J.
Title: Re: ARB taking time to populate My Flights on start-up
Post by: radarspotter10 on November 09, 2009, 10:07:37 AM
hi.
Everything A1 here, great new software.
from pat
Title: Re: ARB taking time to populate My Flights on start-up
Post by: jannuh on November 09, 2009, 10:33:23 AM
Overhere also abt. 1 minute, with 150 flights, so nothing to worry i think..
Title: Re: ARB taking time to populate My Flights on start-up
Post by: bratters on November 09, 2009, 10:54:49 AM
I noticed that bell407 and regardless of the number of flights involved. Last night just half a dozen for instance.

Had to glance across to check RB was blinking. Very new this - last two or three days.

Not a problem of any consequence but a behavioural change. By coincidence??? I have just upgraded my AVG free edition. Possible connection?
Title: Re: ARB taking time to populate My Flights on start-up
Post by: tarbat on November 09, 2009, 02:45:26 PM
Possible anti-virus issue.   Sound like you anti-virus software may be scanning the RB databases as they're opened.   Make sure you've excluded ANRB folders from you anti-virus checking.
Title: Re: ARB taking time to populate My Flights on start-up
Post by: bratters on November 09, 2009, 03:06:11 PM
ANRB folders were on the exclusion list individually by v. numbers. Totally forgot about additional v3.08. Cheers tarbat.
Title: Re: ARB taking time to populate My Flights on start-up
Post by: TGA388 on November 09, 2009, 03:53:27 PM
Hi, I have been having a similar problem with 3.08 beta. I have gone back to using 3.07 for the time being, but to do this without having the same slow start-up poblem, I had to do a completely new install of first the original software off the cd and then a new full install of 3.07 beta as downloaded off the forum.

Has anyone else noticed a problem? I am using ClamWin anti virus software and cannot see anywhere in that software to exclude checking of ANRB files so I am not sure that this is the problem.

Any suggestions welcome.

Rgds, Dave
Title: Re: ARB taking time to populate My Flights on start-up
Post by: fr556 on November 09, 2009, 04:15:51 PM
my box shows no flights ..internet connection fine all lights lit up on navbox... im in the uk .. i read the system is down...
this maybe  the norm then...
Title: Re: ARB taking time to populate My Flights on start-up
Post by: Jeremy on November 09, 2009, 04:33:00 PM
556
The network is down at the moment but you should still see direct flights on your MyFlights list. Click the box.
J.
Title: Re: ARB taking time to populate My Flights on start-up
Post by: jetset on November 09, 2009, 05:12:01 PM
I've got the same problem with 3.08. It takes a good 30 seconds if not more to get going.
No problems with V2 though.

Title: Re: ARB taking time to populate My Flights on start-up
Post by: abrad41 on November 09, 2009, 05:49:53 PM
I have also noticed a slowness to start.

From clicking on the icon to a/c on the screen 40 secs.
From window opening up on screen to a/c on screen 25 secs.

All of my files are excluded within my virus software.

Andy
Title: Re: ARB taking time to populate My Flights on start-up
Post by: MikeC on November 09, 2009, 08:05:12 PM
Two random samples for each version from hitting Start to My Flights beginning to populate list:

Version 2 - 6 seconds and 5 seconds

3.01 - 6 seconds and 6 seconds

3.07 - 53 seconds and 35 seconds

Definitely slower to start working.
Title: Re: ARB taking time to populate My Flights on start-up
Post by: Bell 407 on November 10, 2009, 06:02:09 AM
Hi All,

Interesting reading - will keep an eye on how the programme functions in the future. Appreciate the discussion and input.

Cheers,
Title: Re: ARB taking time to populate My Flights on start-up
Post by: Runway 31 on November 10, 2009, 09:14:58 AM
My box takes around 2 minutes from pressing the desktop shortcut to the start screen coming up.  From pressing the start button till the first aircraft came up on the screen was between 5 and 10 seconds.  Using 3.08 but not concerned about start time, life is to short to worry about some things.
Title: Re: ARB taking time to populate My Flights on start-up
Post by: AirNav Support on November 10, 2009, 09:17:30 AM
A lot of this depends on your database size. RB does a check to make sure its not working on a corrupted database.

If your database has been gaining information for a years it will be slow to load up. There are functions in the mylog interface to clean out old flights which might improve the loading times.
Title: Re: ARB taking time to populate My Flights on start-up
Post by: MikeC on November 10, 2009, 09:24:29 AM
A lot of this depends on your database size. RB does a check to make sure its not working on a corrupted database.

If your database has been gaining information for a years it will be slow to load up. There are functions in the mylog interface to clean out old flights which might improve the loading times.

But my databases are pretty empty to say the least!
Title: Re: ARB taking time to populate My Flights on start-up
Post by: AirNav Support on November 10, 2009, 09:27:18 AM
Check AVG settings as well, that was a main culprit in the past slowing down loading.
Title: Re: ARB taking time to populate My Flights on start-up
Post by: Wayne on November 10, 2009, 09:31:44 AM
Hi

I always get this slowness too and I have exceptions in AVG so I don't think it's anything to do with that, I have no corrupt database and a very new PC. I have noticed that when I start the application the message "Contacting server for weather information" appears and once this weather information is received then the My Flights list populates as quickly as it should do.
Title: Re: ARB taking time to populate My Flights on start-up
Post by: tarbat on November 10, 2009, 09:58:05 AM
I know I'm normally the one not seeing the same problems as everyone else, but I'm not seeing a startup problem.  Back in June, I reported a startup time of approx. 50-60 seconds - see http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=2855.msg25526#msg25526

My v3.08 startup times:
31 seconds for the logon box to appear
another 18 seconds for aircraft to appear in MyFlights
Or 43 seconds total startup when using the /connect parameter

So, if anything, a slightly quicker startup in v3.08, but not enough to be significant.  Makes me wonder why others are seeing this problem - must be PC specific.

I only startup RB about once a week, and then leave it permanently running.  Overnight, I put the PC into hybrid sleep, and RB continues running the next day when the PC comes out of hybrid sleep.
Title: Re: ARB taking time to populate My Flights on start-up
Post by: AirNav Support on November 10, 2009, 10:01:36 AM
The software also puts stuff in memory at that time to make the process quicker when its actually running. If there is already lots in your memory then a bit of swapping occurs which slows things down.

Overal we are not that fussed about the load time unless its really long. There are things it does have to load and check and I don't think we can speed it up without causing issues.

Maybe something for future versions but not for Version 3 full build.
Title: Re: ARB taking time to populate My Flights on start-up
Post by: Runway 31 on November 10, 2009, 10:13:03 AM
I'm not really fussed about it, a couple of minutes is nothing to worry about.  V3.08 takes around the same time as V2.01 was so I dont see any significant change.

As far as I am concerned the box is a superb piece of kit and I dont know how I managed alll those years without it.

Keep up the good work AirNav.

Alan
Title: Re: ARB taking time to populate My Flights on start-up
Post by: dudbaker on November 10, 2009, 11:16:00 AM
Hi

From click Icon to Validating Mylog.db3 complete 4 minutes 30 seconds.  I can live with this but my whole computers slows down.  Gets worse the longer it is open.  I have set not to share data or download photos but no help.  Photos still download.

Dudley
Title: Re: ARB taking time to populate My Flights on start-up
Post by: Allocator on November 10, 2009, 11:35:17 AM
Hi

From click Icon to Validating Mylog.db3 complete 4 minutes 30 seconds.  I can live with this but my whole computers slows down.  Gets worse the longer it is open.  I have set not to share data or download photos but no help.  Photos still download.

Dudley

Dudley,

Remember that any photos that have already been downloaded whilst you have had 'download' selected are saved to your hard drive and will be visible even if you are not connected to the Internet.
Title: Re: ARB taking time to populate My Flights on start-up
Post by: dudbaker on November 10, 2009, 11:43:32 AM
Allocator

Thanks for that.  In bottom right there is a caption All photo/Info requests done.  This changes to indicate downloading is taking place.

Dudley
Title: Re: ARB taking time to populate My Flights on start-up
Post by: radarspotter10 on November 10, 2009, 01:09:48 PM
hi all
Honestly some people are making mountains out of mole hills here, we are talking about 5 to 30 seconds in some computers at the most,  but i can see certain individuals on here trying to stir up trouble. (of course not rocket science to work out who it is)
from pat
 

Title: Re: ARB taking time to populate My Flights on start-up
Post by: Jeremy on November 10, 2009, 01:33:41 PM
Now the network is back MyFlights list loads almost instantly when it was dlayed before. Great.
J.
Title: Re: ARB taking time to populate My Flights on start-up
Post by: MikeC on November 10, 2009, 02:29:39 PM
Now the network is back MyFlights list loads almost instantly when it was dlayed before.

Same here, almost immediate list population.

But I do have a question.

Why did we experience delays if Share Flight Data, Photo and Route populate are all off when the network was down?  And why does the status bar show Photo Processing requests when I have turned them off?
Title: Re: ARB taking time to populate My Flights on start-up
Post by: radarspotter10 on November 10, 2009, 02:37:06 PM
Now the network is back MyFlights list loads almost instantly when it was dlayed before.

Same here, almost immediate list population.

But I do have a question.

Why did we experience delays if Share Flight Data, Photo and Route populate are all off when the network was down?  And why does the status bar show Photo Processing requests when I have turned them off?
hi al
http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=3786.0
read last post
from pat
Title: Re: ARB taking time to populate My Flights on start-up
Post by: tarbat on November 10, 2009, 02:42:09 PM
Why did we experience delays if Share Flight Data, Photo and Route populate are all off when the network was down?

Weather / QNH lookup.


And why does the status bar show Photo Processing requests when I have turned them off?

Registration lookup.
Title: Re: ARB taking time to populate My Flights on start-up
Post by: MikeC on November 10, 2009, 03:21:44 PM
Thanks Tarbat.
Title: Re: ARB taking time to populate My Flights on start-up
Post by: dudbaker on November 10, 2009, 03:48:46 PM
hi all
Honestly some people are making mountains out of mole hills here, we are talking about 5 to 30 seconds in some computers at the most,  but i can see certain individuals on here trying to stir up trouble. (of course not rocket science to work out who it is)
from pat
 



Totally confused by this.  Are we talking about the same problem.  How does 30 seconds at the most equate to my problem of 4 minutes 30 seconds.  I have asked the system to delete old data over 5 months t but this has not changed my total aircraft of 16000 plus. 

Dudley
Title: Re: ARB taking time to populate My Flights on start-up
Post by: Fenris on November 10, 2009, 03:52:39 PM
I think that this comment was not taking into account that the server has been struggling somewhat before it fell over completely, I suspect that is what led to the times you are stating.

Personally both 3.07, a later 3.07 update and 3.08 have all been pretty slow to start for me since at least the last week or so, however I expect things to be much more rapid now. I'll see when I get a chance to test later.
Title: Re: ARB taking time to populate My Flights on start-up
Post by: tarbat on November 10, 2009, 03:52:59 PM
How does 30 seconds at the most equate to my problem of 4 minutes 30 seconds.  I have asked the system to delete old data over 5 months t but this has not changed my total aircraft of 16000 plus. 

4m30s sounds excessive,and would indicate a problem in my opinion.  Possibly anti-virus.

Deleting old data in MyLog only deletes the flights, NOT the aircraft.
Title: Re: ARB taking time to populate My Flights on start-up
Post by: Fenris on November 10, 2009, 03:56:59 PM
My AV setup excludes the whole directory tree where the Airnav software resides.

It hasn't made any difference to the start up time that I can tell, I monitor the process CPU usage and AVG was not much in evidence. I deliberately waited until all the startup programs had initialised before checking the CPU load.

I think it will all be back to normal when the server is fully functional, but adding a status indicator that is a bit more explanatory of what the program is trying to retrieve would help.
Title: Re: ARB taking time to populate My Flights on start-up
Post by: marcdeklerk on November 10, 2009, 04:03:10 PM
Airnav, Im having a problem with Auto-populate. It doesnt work? im connected to the net and dont have AVG running. The flight refects on the Gatwick Aviation website data, and there is also a picture on airliners.net?

Is there a problem with this at the moment?
Title: Re: ARB taking time to populate My Flights on start-up
Post by: dudbaker on November 10, 2009, 04:46:54 PM
Tarbat

Now we are getting somewhere.  I have had exceptions to excluded Air Nav Systems for sometime.  I have now set to exclude air nave data as well.  Load time now less than 2 minutes. 

All

Can I remove AVG.  I am with NTL and believe they protect my computer.

Dudley
Title: Re: ARB taking time to populate My Flights on start-up
Post by: jetset on November 10, 2009, 05:11:34 PM
Now the network is back MyFlights list loads almost instantly when it was dlayed before. Great.
J.

Same here :-)
hi all
Honestly some people are making mountains out of mole hills here, we are talking about 5 to 30 seconds in some computers at the most,  but i can see certain individuals on here trying to stir up trouble. (of course not rocket science to work out who it is)
from pat

Not sure about everyone else, but I'm talking about the time it takes from pressing 'Start' for flights to appear on the radar.

I was on 2.0(something) when it was near instant, then using 3.08 gave 30+ second delay.
Not much of a big deal to me but it may be/have been something obviously simple the devs to nail.



 
Title: Re: ARB taking time to populate My Flights on start-up
Post by: Fenris on November 10, 2009, 07:27:57 PM
Can I remove AVG.  I am with NTL and believe they protect my computer.

Strongly recommended that you don't, they do not and cannot protect you for the very reason that the only way to ensure that would be to avoid routing any traffic to you.

Title: Re: ARB taking time to populate My Flights on start-up
Post by: Pinza on November 10, 2009, 07:53:55 PM
Switched from AVG to Avast antivirus over the weekend, but still had slow startup with ANRB v3.08b

Just found the 'exclusions' tab within Avast and duly excluded my entire ANRB directory. I think my old AVG exclusion was just excluding the anrb.exe file and not the whole directory...

Just started RB up (after this tinkering) and from clicking the ANRB icon to seeing the first flight appear in MyFlights took 46 seconds.

45 seconds to validated my databases, etc etc and get to the start window.

Then 1 second to populate MyFlights with the first flight and show it on the radar screen.

A major improvement - with AVG I was looking at a five minute startup time. Possibly me being ignorant as to how to setup exclusions within AVG properly?

As for one second for first flight to appear - thats amazing considering my indoor standard ANRB antenna was indoors and well away from my groundfloor window...
Title: Re: ARB taking time to populate My Flights on start-up
Post by: dudbaker on November 11, 2009, 09:27:50 AM
Hi

Deleting old data has taken my log from 196336KB to 2784KB.  This is bound to help.  My 16000 plus aircraft remain as indicated by Tarbat.

Dudley