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AirNav RadarBox and RadarBox24.com => AirNav RadarBox and RadarBox24.com Discussion => Topic started by: dl1812 on July 27, 2009, 08:31:27 PM
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Hi All,
Came across this site :
http://radar.zhaw.ch/radar.html
Is there a programme that would allow me to do this ?
As I've already admitted on here, I have the IT knowledge of an eggplant, so I may well have missed something obvious ?
Cheers
Dave L
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Squawkbox lets you do it with Google Earth if you only want to view it locally, but the results are delayed 5 minutes.
If you are trying to publish it to a website I don't know...
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I have changed the title of the thread as your actually looking for a google map output.
We do provide a 5 minute delayed feed so a clever person can make it into something similar. However I would suspect its not for the novice programmer or user to setup.
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Incidentally, it's interesting that, according to the FAQ on the site, the system shows real-time aircraft positions - apparently with the full knowledge and permission of the Swiss CAA (BAZL).
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So, well beyond my capabilities then :o(
I did have a look at squawk Box. Unfortunately however a 5 minute delay is of no use to me, so I'll just stay content with what I have :o)
Thanks all
Dave L
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Incidentally, it's interesting that, according to the FAQ on the site, the system shows real-time aircraft positions - apparently with the full knowledge and permission of the Swiss CAA (BAZL).
So there are some enlightened and sensible countries then?
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Incidentally, it's interesting that, according to the FAQ on the site, the system shows real-time aircraft positions - apparently with the full knowledge and permission of the Swiss CAA (BAZL).
So there are some enlightened and sensible countries then?
As far as I'm aware there are no "real-time" restrictions in the UK.
In fact as it is, strictly speaking, illegal to publish ANY data gained from illegally tapping licenced transmissions, no specific restrictions are necessary.
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As far as I'm aware there are no "real-time" restrictions in the UK.
In fact as it is, strictly speaking, illegal to publish ANY data gained from illegally tapping licenced transmissions, no specific restrictions are necessary.
The day will come when holding back the tide simply no longer works.
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In fact as it is, strictly speaking, illegal to publish ANY data gained from illegally tapping licenced transmissions, no specific restrictions are necessary.
Quite correct. However the law is one thing, and custom and practice is another. Publishing live data, screenshots, etc, is likely to attract unwanted attention, whereas I've never heard of anyone encountering problems as a consequence of putting delayed data on the web.
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In fact as it is, strictly speaking, illegal to publish ANY data gained from illegally tapping licenced transmissions, no specific restrictions are necessary.
Quite correct. However the law is one thing, and custom and practice is another. Publishing live data, screenshots, etc, is likely to attract unwanted attention, whereas I've never heard of anyone encountering problems as a consequence of putting delayed data on the web.
I'm not so sure about that Dave. I've had a look into things in the UK - albeit a bit superficially - and conclude that the whole area is so "grey" in terms of the various bodies involved and the courses of action open to them, that the actions of a handful of "plane-spotters" are not life-threatening - and are extremely unlikely to result in any prosecutions.
This 5minute delay business originated in the States and relates as much as anything to the Sale, not security, of data by the FAA. Airnav are stuck with a 5 minute delay imposed by the USA and therefore would have continuity difficulties if Europe was real-time.
No doubt this will attract some comments!! Ah well.
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I'd love to see an option to turn off the 5 minute delay in countries other than where it is a legal requirement.
Given that the ads-b transponders report their GPS location this should be an easy firmware fix to implement (possibly with a user configuration switch, should they wish to restore the delay themselves)
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pjm,
Your post is a little confusing. The data sent from aircraft is 100% live and is shown on the RadarBox 100% Live when picked up from your antenna. Only network data and data outputted through RadarBox ports to external applications is 5 minute delayed.
bratters,
A few sites in the past have tried to broadcast live ATC of Heathrow and were forced to close down.
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The data sent from aircraft is 100% live and is shown on the RadarBox 100% Live when picked up from your antenna. Only network data and data outputted through RadarBox ports to external applications is 5 minute delayed.
Apologies, my post was in relation to the network delay, or the delay from port 3003 (or whatever port programs like squawkbox et al get their data from) to programatically display the information, such as in google earth or publishing to a web site). Not in relation to the Radarbox local display.
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This 5 minute delay business originated in the States and relates as much as anything to the Sale, not security, of data by the FAA.
I disagree.
The FAA will not countenance the supply of undelayed ASDI data (which is free, not sold, by the way) to any organisation which has not undergone an audit to satisfy the FAA that it has a legitimate need for live data and that it will not pass on or re-supply such live data to any other organisation that doesn't satisfy the same criteria.
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This 5 minute delay business originated in the States and relates as much as anything to the Sale, not security, of data by the FAA.
I disagree.
The FAA will not countenance the supply of undelayed ASDI data (which is free, not sold, by the way) to any organisation which has not undergone an audit to satisfy the FAA that it has a legitimate need for live data and that it will not pass on or re-supply such live data to any other organisation that doesn't satisfy the same criteria.
Quite right Dave - clumsily put by myself. Let's re-phrase it: if Airnav are a direct or indirect subscriber receiving ONLY the delayed feed there are no audit requirements and the information may be used for profit, as far as I can see.
http://209.85.129.132/search?q=cache:u8IzyGeg9TgJ:www.fly.faa.gov/ASDI/asdidocs/Overview_of_ASDI_Audit_Process_v1.2.pdf+faa+asdi+feed&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&ie=UTF-8
http://www.fly.faa.gov/ASDI/asdidocs/ASDI_Subscribers.pdf
I had heard somewhere before of the clampdown on re-broadcasting ATC though whether the two scenarios are comparable, I'm not sure. I suspect the public broadcast of ATC even with a five minute delay might also get hammered.
On the other hand live flight info. seems to be widely available in the UK and I've yet to hear of any threats to that. And I can trace no reference to five minute delays in the UK on safety or any other grounds.
Grey areas abound.
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You can tune in to some major airports atc with a internet radio and law enforcements in the usa all live
puddy
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On the subject of live ATC transmissions, I think you'll find that that is illegial in the UK?
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You want http://www.liveatc.net/topfeeds/php
Great fun.
Cheers,
Ian
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I wrote to OFCOM, asking for their advice on the legalities of receiving 1090 and air band VHF - their reply was "Consult a solicitor" - considering they're the official Government body responsible for enforcing Radio/Telecommunications' laws and regulations, NOT very helpful!
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I wrote to OFCOM, asking for their advice on the legalities of receiving 1090 and air band VHF - their reply was "Consult a solicitor" - considering they're the official Government body responsible for enforcing Radio/Telecommunications' laws and regulations, NOT very helpful!
Don't spend your hard-earned consulting your solicitor Jon - here's a precis:
"Unauthorised reception
There are two criminal offences, under section 48 of the Wireless Telegraphy Act 2006, relating to unauthorised reception.
Offence 1
It is an offence if a person "otherwise than under the authority of a designated person:
…. uses wireless telegraphy apparatus with intent to obtain information as to the contents, sender or addressee of any message whether sent by means of wireless telegraphy or not, of which neither the person using the apparatus nor a person on whose behalf he is acting is an intended recipient."
This means that it is illegal to listen to anything other than general reception transmissions unless you are either a licensed user of the frequencies in question or have been specifically authorised to do so by a designated person.
A designated person means:
the Secretary of State;
the Commissioners of Customs and Excise; or
any other person designated for the purpose by regulations made by the Secretary of State.
Offence 2
It is also an offence for someone, otherwise than under the authority of a designated person, to disclose any information as to the contents, sender or addressee of any message referred to in Offence 1. However, this does not apply where the disclosure is in the course of legal proceedings or for the purpose of any report of those proceedings. And, it does not apply where the information would have come to the person’s knowledge without the use of wireless telegraphy apparatus by him or by anyone else.
This means that it is also illegal to tell a third party what has been heard in a transmission a person has listened to illegally."
Note: the law says "obtain information". Ofcom uses the word "listen" as this brief is aimed at scanner listeners.
Obtaining and publishing (networking) - both offences but Ofcom (on the list to be abolished if the tories get in) are a pretty meek & mild lot when it comes to enforcement. Take their record in the field of telephone sales for example.
Keep low profile.