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AirNav RadarBox and RadarBox24.com => AirNav RadarBox and RadarBox24.com Discussion => Topic started by: AirNav Development on July 23, 2009, 12:18:24 PM
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We are happy to announce the release of AirNav RadarBox 2009 - V3.01 Beta software. This new patch corrects all the pending problems present on the previous beta. The software is still in beta stage which means we are open for problem reports which should be send to this topic.
Full Download (106 Mb including all translated manuals):
http://www.airnavsystems.com/download/anrb/ANRB301BetaSetup.exe
Upgrade from previous versions (91 Mb including all translated manuals):
http://www.airnavsystems.com/download/anrb/ANRBUpgradeto301Beta.exe
Manual update (2 Mb):
1- Download and copy the file below to your "AirNav RadarBox" folder overwriting the existing file:
http://www.airnavsystems.com/download/anrb/anrb301BetaManual/ANRB.exe
2- Download and copy the file below to your "AirNav RadarBox\Data" folder overwriting the existing file:
http://www.airnavsystems.com/download/anrb/anrb301BetaManual/L007.dat
Corrected problems (from V3.0 Beta):
- Fully compatible with all SBS-1 addons (you may now use any of our competitor addons which require port access only);
- Addition of the History Panel to the MyFlights grid;
- Improved Popup menu for the MyFlights Grid;
- Much better network synchronization capabilities;
- Translated Help/Manual Files available on installation;
- Corrected error on alerts/email;
- Some machines software does not start
- Corrected: aircraft on map disspearing and returning with zoom;
- Corrected: Mylog Position Lat and Long Entries are wrong
- Corrected: vector of an airplane changes a direction for 180 degrees
- Corrected: timeout issues on the network causing aircraft to stay there for ages
- Corrected: full screen and then return does not show map/aircraft
- Corrected: duplicate Entries of flights in MyLog, required longer timeout
- Corrected: route algorithm and sometimes wrong routes are being displayed
- Corrected: Range alerts not working
- Corrected: Company combo box not working
- Corrected: Font issue with commas and dots in custom legend
- Corrected: Filter to last ten minutes or one hour in MyLog Missing
- Corrected: No icon to resize interface window shown
- Corrected: Entries of closed maps in windows menu
- Corrected: Error message in preference menu
- Corrected: The 'execute a file' box is always ticked in alerts
- Corrected: Too many fixes being shown
- Corrected: Wrong altitude on aircraft on ground / NW Flights
- Corrected: no polar plot in saved images
- Corrected: USA and Canada with correct time
Previous official full list of suggestions/improvements:[/u]
- 20% more flight IDs received: decoding of more mode-s protocol frames;
- Tracking of aircraft sending ADS-B information on ground;
- Possibility of writing custom labels on map;
- Optional retrieval of flight information data from online database;
- Flights without callsign information added to MyLog;
- New/Updated AIRAC cycle: more than 100 thousand updated aviation database (airport, runway, VOR, NDB);
- Ability to zoom in closer. Hi-Res airport outlines / track aircraft in taxiways;
- Possibility of auto populating aircraft information without downloading photos;
- Improved Algorithm for the transition of network flights to live (and live to network);
- Corrected problem with Slow Menus on certain machines;
- 1698 Airline Logos (many of them reviewed);
- 404 Country/Military Flags;
- UK/Ireland Time on status bar now shown correctly;
- Choose to show/hide Home position on map;
- Alerts/Reports email reports now sent from central server;
- Improve user awareness of incompatibility with AVG Anti-Virus (easy to add exception);
- More application data being worked inside threads: application runs faster;
- Preferences box now fits different screen resolutions;
- FTP Upload status information on status panel;
- "Purple rain/invalid positions" problem corrected;
- Improved Logo decoding routine: fully compatible with ICAO, IATA, Military and private jet flight codes;
- Option to show/hide Home Legend
- Registration/multiple alerts now working correctly;
- Weather List clearing problem corrected;
- Aviation Signs in Menu status updated;
- Email Alerts at consecutive days problem corrected;
- Duplicates in the Reporter bug corrected;
- Remember of Last Color Used;
To all the team involved, especially the dedicated beta-testers a huge thank you!
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Well done everyone to get this out so quickly. Will be downloading this as soon as I get hope. thanks all. Colin Hall.
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Hi
Thanks for the latest update - have just downloaded and run but can't see how to get the Up/Down arrows, I'm still getting +/-
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just installed on my vista machine, seems to work well for now
frank
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Hey thanks,
This is Awsome news, i am downloading it now.
Really looking forward to having a play around.
A big thanks to you guys.
Cheers
Rich.
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Superb news. It is raining, thunder and lightning, roads flooded and it's black as night here in Belfast. So I can't wait to get home from work and download the patch. Looking forward to the changes.
John
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hi.
downloaded and going great this end,thanks boys and girls at AirNav Development.
fro pat
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Hi,
it's working nicely now with Windows XP sp3.
Thanks to all at Airnav
Callan
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Thanks for the latest update - have just downloaded and run but can't see how to get the Up/Down arrows, I'm still getting +/-
As answered in other threads, the up/down arrows change was abandoned. See http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=2893.msg25950#msg25950
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hi guys,
where is the history panel on myflights?
Mark
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where is the history panel on myflights?
MENU ==> Tools - Show Flight History
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The plotting of the Polar diagram leaves the radial lines in the display.
These disappear if you the display of the polar diagram off, then On again.
Will save the screen shortly with a part old and part new polar.
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Working great on Virtual XP within Win 7.
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Thanks Airnav
My only problem is I am still not getting alerts.
Hope you can help.
Simon
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It is only flight id alerts that dont work.The others all work fine.
Hope someone can help.
Simon
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Thanks for the latest update - have just downloaded and run but can't see how to get the Up/Down arrows, I'm still getting +/-
As answered in other threads, the up/down arrows change was abandoned. See http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=2893.msg25950#msg25950
Then why is it still being listed in the suggestions/Improvements ? After a career spanning 30+ years in ATC I find it hard to get my head around the +/- rather than the up/down arrows. I live in hope ;)
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all is ok with XP sp3 and also on Vista.
Jstars ok at least but no chance with BS alert
(it start and says : '' is not a valid integer value...something
on port 30003 is different that on sbs1 )
with telnet port 30003 is ok : MSG 1,3,4,5,6 here but
no air to air MSG7 and i have not seen MSG8.
Will try to compare with my sbs1 at the same time.
SBS/RB MilLog is OK also ...i can look
mil. acfts from my location (Frontera)
I have tried 2 versions of Squawkbox and nothing.
Now the program is becoming interesting
good job
JEAN
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Thanks guys
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My first post having 'watched' this forum before deciding to buy. Purchased my Radarbox yesterday and uploaded 3.01 today. Very impressed with this product. I have previously owned an SBS-1.
I'm running on XP and notice that although I've ticked just to autopopulate the aircraft data, I'm still receiving downloaded photos despite leaving this option unchecked.
Dave
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Didn't bother with the patch but downloaded the full version. So far, everything working well on my Vista machine.
A big well done to all concerned.
Ian
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i have to correct myself: network activity goes down to zero every now and then
frank
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i have to correct myself: network activity goes down to zero every now and then
frank
Also the only thing I noticed, the Network dropping in and out.
Can't miss that one really :-)
Otherwise the ball is rolling in the right direction.
Cheers.
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I've got the network dropping in and out as well.
Dave
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It might be a server problem. AirNav Support has acknowledged this issue on another thread.
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Downloading as i type this,cheers all your fast i give you that,lets hope my alerts work now..gaz :)
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I'm running on XP and notice that although I've ticked just to autopopulate the aircraft data, I'm still receiving downloaded photos despite leaving this option unchecked.
Dave
The thumbnail pictures are downloaded and saved to your PC, so when you deselect the photo and autopopulate options, you still have those thumbnails available - as you will if you operate your RadarBox mobile without an Internet connection.
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Polar diagram, with working lines as radials attached.!!
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Well Done AirNav - works for me ! - I'm using both Vista Home Premium and XP Pro.
I actually posted a comment about not being able to save colour changes, but I then discovered the "export" button - Dur !
A question - is there any way that I can save the altitude settings I normally use, to save changing them every time I open RB ?
Thanks in anticipation
Dave L
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*jgrloit
Can you describe your problem as I dont see anything wrong on the screenshot.
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The problem as mentioned in a previous message is that the Polar diagram still has a number of the radial "construction" lines, rather than those lines having been cleared out.
They only disappear if you turn the display of the polar off then back on!!!
Did not happen on the 3.00 beta.
Only noticable if you clear the polar right down and start again, as I have needed toas I have had the unit mobile between Newcastle, Eastbourne, Stranraer and back home to Hexham.
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@dl1812
If you refer to the Elevation colors: they will get stored when doing an export, as will the complete colors that you have set. You call up a defined color set via the menu MAP > COLORS > 'yourcolorset' or via the toolbar. I suggest to name the exported colorset to something different then the presets, eg. "Newcolor3'.
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*jgrloit
Ok, thanks for your explanation: I do see them now. Strange thing. Never saw that on my system using any version of anrb. Any possibility this is some graphics driver or graphics settings issue?
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Terre,
Sorry, poor explanation - I was talking about setting the Altitude so that (for example) only aircraft above 4000' will show.
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@dl1812
I see. You might want to use a quick filter for that, though it will not set the filter automatically at start up. Set the Advanced filter for the Altitude as needed and then save the filter via FILTER > SAVE FILTER AS. Activate the filter after start up via the Quick Filter tool bar.
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Terre,
Many thanks for that; as you may have guessed, I am a doughnut when it comes to Computers - which therefore for me makes this forum invaluable.
Thanks again
Dave L.
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How do I move the myflights list back to the left hand side of the map. It is stuck to the right of the map, squashed with only 2 columns visible. The only expander appears on the right butted up against the screen edge.
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ACW - Menu - Tools...Interface...Interface on Left.
Hope that helps
Rod
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Has anyone else noted that there have been some updates to the runways at some airports - for example, I'm sure the third runway at SeaTac wasn't there before.
I don't remember AirNav saying anything about this. Anyone spotted other examples?
Rod
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Did manual install of patches, all working fine,"well done AIR Nav".
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Another satisfied customer here also. This just gets better and better, well done Airnav and you Beta testers.
John
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cheers Rod, Couldn't find it for looking
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First we would like to thank all the positive opinions we had until now.
Keep your reports/suggestions coming.
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Hello
Many thanks to all for correcting the alerts/e-mail issue. It now works fine except for point noted below.
Is it possible to customize the data fields that appear in MyLog and reports? Being able to include callsigns/Flight IDs would be good - or am I missing something?
The alerts for Flight IDs do not seem to work at the moment. Might it be possible to include the use of a wildcard in the criteria for alerts by Flight ID?
All in all - a superb piece of kit!
Adrian
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The alerts for Flight IDs do not seem to work at the moment. Might it be possible to include the use of a wildcard in the criteria for alerts by Flight ID?
I'm sure you can use wildcards in the Flight ID Alerts section.
One of the problems you can have with Flight ID's is the way that the crew put the ID into the system. I might use this just to make sure I get alerted on a single flight:
BA10
BAW10
BA010
BAW010
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hi i am having a problem installingv3.01 i get the message;
this application has failed tp start beacuse rb.11was not found reinstalling the application may fix the problem.
anybody help please
davec
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davec,
Did you do full install or the manual one?
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hi i am having a problem installingv3.01 i get the message;
this application has failed tp start beacuse rb.11was not found reinstalling the application may fix the problem.
anybody help please
davec
i had the same problem on my Vista laptop ( on my XP desktop all wen't OK )
open the Airnav folder and probably you will see 2 RB folders in it : the 3.0 beta and a new one, just called RB 2009 ; i just cut/pasted the contends of the new one in the "original" one, and voila : RB 3.01 works fine.
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i still have a problem with the outlines and station names ; to get the outlines in the "airport collor" and display all the names of the VOR stations ( some are showing right away ) i have to locate first LFPG ( Paris CDG ) afther that all stations and names display correctly !? ( it does'nd work if i locate a other airport in my list, it seems it has to be the last in the dropdown list )
apart from this, all works great now, and verry happy with the "FIX fix"
great job Airnav.
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- Fully compatible with all SBS-1 addons (you may now use any of our competitor addons);
I think what you mean is "Fully compatible with all SBS-1 addons that use the 30003 port output"
Clearly other add-ons that interface directly with the database won't be compatible as the RB's and SBS's databases are different.
That's not mean as a criticism, simply a clarification.
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Have downloaded ANRB 3.1 beta to both an XP and Vista machine and it runs perfectly on both. However, has anyone tried adding a SQB file to V3.1?
The reason I ask is that I have just done this to my XP machine and on every attempt bar one it stopped importing after varying times and when it stopped importing the program quickly closed itself with no warnings. On the final (7th attempt) it actually showed on the bottom line that it had imported 21,023 of 22946 and then closed down. On re-opening ANRB I found that only 19,800 had actually made it. I can live with it not bringing all records in (I assume there was something it did not like about the missing records, but the quick, unprovoked closedown is a problem.
Mike
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DaveReid,
We have ammended the details. Thanks
Roadrunner,
Can you send us the file your using.
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I have just done a manual install here - and upto now everything is working as it should be.
Thank you AirNav for all the hard work you have done, getting the software working how it should be.
Keep up the good work.
Andy
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- Fully compatible with all SBS-1 addons (you may now use any of our competitor addons);
I think what you mean is "Fully compatible with all SBS-1 addons that use the 30003 port output"
Clearly other add-ons that interface directly with the database won't be compatible as the RB's and SBS's databases are different.
That's not mean as a criticism, simply a clarification.
After all that hard work getting the port 30003 output right, nobody seems to be using it!
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Roadrunner,
Can you send us the file your using.
AirNav Is that the .sqb file you would like to see.
As an update, I tried exactly the same .SQB file which failed on my XP desktop PC on my Vista laptop and it loaded the complete file and took in 22,919 of the 22,946 records in seconds and remained open. So for now I have copied the mylog file from my laptop back to my desktop PC and it is working OK.
I can send a copy of the sqb if it will help
Regards
Mike
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After all that hard work getting the port 30003 output right, nobody seems to be using it!
Maybe because it's no longer real-time :-)
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After all that hard work getting the port 30003 output right, nobody seems to be using it!
Maybe because it's no longer real-time :-)
hi dave
Does the squawk still work real time, i used that all the time, but its useless now.
from pat Ireland
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MSG,n type messages on port 30003 are 5-minute delayed. Others, such as AIR, ID, SEL, etc. are real-time (I think).
Squawk is 5-minute delayed - I just wish Airnav had incorporated Squawk Code lookup in v3, but it didn't make it into the final version :( I really miss the ability to get automatic squawk code lookups in real-time, the only backward-step in v3.
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MSG,n type messages on port 30003 are 5-minute delayed. Others, such as AIR, ID, SEL, etc. are real-time (I think).
Squawk is 5-minute delayed - I just wish Airnav had incorporated Squawk Code lookup in v3, but it didn't make it into the final version :( I really miss the ability to get automatic squawk code lookups in real-time, the only backward-step in v3.
yes tarbat.
i loved it myself, it was a great add on, but the 5 min delay kill it, the squawk code is now useless.
from pat
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yes tarbat.
i loved it myself, it was a great add on, but the 5 min delay kill it, the squawk code is now useless.
Try convincing Airnav to include it in v3. as they originally planned to!!
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Many thanks to all for correcting the alerts/e-mail issue. It now works fine
Hallo Adrian,
I do not understand that. With me the alerts/e-mail function is still NOT working. Maybe I do something wrong but I do not see what. The only thing I know is that it was working verry well in versions before the Beta's...
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hi airnav development,i have tried installing the new patch all three ways ,just coming up as i said before this aplication hasfailed to start beacuse rb.di try restarting the application etc, when the beta 3,0 came out i had to do a new full down load lossing all my data, which is a real pain as i have put a load of new routes in the new beta, i tried cut and paste that didnt work either , i have a new pc with windows xp
any ideas
thanks davec
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MSG,n type messages on port 30003 are 5-minute delayed. Others, such as AIR, ID, SEL, etc. are real-time (I think).
Squawk is 5-minute delayed - I just wish Airnav had incorporated Squawk Code lookup in v3, but it didn't make it into the final version :( I really miss the ability to get automatic squawk code lookups in real-time, the only backward-step in v3.
I'm still struggling to understand why messages that do not contain positional information are delayed on port 30003, I thought I remembered reading some time ago that Airnav accepted that it was only these messages that had to be delayed. Since then the position has become increasingly unclear to me.
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davec: contact our support at [email protected] and they will help you.
Fenris: MSG messages are delayed, SEL and AIR are real-time. Isn't this the way it works in SBS-1 output port? Remember this is still a beta and we are open for changes/corrections so no panic! :-)
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Airnav, may I have the google earth maps back please!
or maby an option to select between the new maps, and the google earth ones.
The resolution down South here is very bad using the current "new" map. Google earth was perfect for me.
Also I see I am getting duplicate entries in the Reporter:
00AFC5 SAA AA06 ZS-SBS B744 South African Air... 2009/07/24 15:42:27
00AFC5 SAA AA06 ZS-SBS B744 South African Air... 2009/07/24 15:43:06
00AFC5 SAA AA06 ZS-SBS B744 South African Air... 2009/07/24 15:43:35
00AFC5 SAA060 ZS-SBS B744 South African Air... 2009/07/24 15:42:46
00AFC5 SAA060 ZS-SBS B744 South African Air... 2009/07/24 15:42:47
00AFC5 SAA060 ZS-SBS B744 South African Air... 2009/07/24 15:43:40
00AFC5 SAA060 ZS-SBS B744 South African Air... 2009/07/24 15:44:05
00AFC5 SAA060 ZS-SBS B744 South African Air... 2009/07/24 15:44:25
00AFC5 SAA060 ZS-SBS B744 South African Air... 2009/07/24 15:44:55
00AFC5 SAA060 ZS-SBS B744 South African Air... 2009/07/24 15:45:45
00AFC5 SAA0AA06 ZS-SBS B744 South African Air... 2009/07/24 15:44:00
00AFC5 SAA0AA06 ZS-SBS B744 South African Air... 2009/07/24 15:44:01
00AFC5 SAA0AA06 ZS-SBS B744 South African Air... 2009/07/24 15:44:15
00AFC5 SAA0AA06 ZS-SBS B744 South African Air... 2009/07/24 15:44:50
00AFC5 SAA0AA06 ZS-SBS B744 South African Air... 2009/07/24 15:45:40
00AFC5 UA AA06 ZS-SBS B744 South African Air... 2009/07/24 15:43:30
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On Port 30003 - if you need ALL MSG types to be delayed, could you generate an additional messgae type - SQK for instance, on the port with Zero delay?
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Guys: just to keep you all updated, we plan to listen to all your opinions until next Monday, Jul 27. Please try to keep a discussion on this topic only. Report any problems and minor suggestions only. After this we will resume work to release V3.02. Only when we get green light from you all we will release the final non-beta version.
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Guys: just to keep you all updated, we plan to listen to all you opinions until next Monday, Jul 27.
Hi Support,
Verry good suggestion! This will give me (and hopefully much other users) all the rest to see what we can suggest to you in the next coming days!
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Also I see I am getting duplicate entries in the Reporter:
Hi Marc,
I have seen the same in my reports and I reported this from the beginning to Support. I think they are working on it and hopefully this problem will be solved in a next version.
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Fenris: MSG messages are delayed, SEL and AIR are real-time. Isn't this the way it works in SBS-1 output port? Remember this is still a beta and we are open for changes/corrections so no panic! :-)
Oh I wasn't panicking, merely trying to understand the way it works.
My suggestion would be, rather than simply filtering delayed port 30003 output on whether it is a MSG packet, how about doing so only for MSG packets that contain positional information. I haven't heard anyone complain that Basestation doesn't output Squawk info in real time. I think you should aim for matching the message types and formats used by SBS-1 outputs, the delay status does not need to be equivalent.
I would like to say that I'm pleased that we have a new beta to play with, kudos to all the people that made this happen, wherever and whoever you are!
I will try to make some suggestions when I have had time to investigate further, assuming that I find anything that is....
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Fenris: copied. We will analyze if we can do it. Keep the discussion going as it is very important to know all the users opinion on this version. Earlier next week we will compile all the feedback and do the relevant programming/changes.
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I am finding the box freezes after being left running for a hour or so. Even with other programs closed down it tries to move the plots but then freezes again. I have to close down and reboot to get operating again. Could this be something to do with the timing on my screen saver?? or something else?
Jeremy.
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I am finding the box freezes after being left running for a hour or so. Even with other programs closed down it tries to move the plots but then freezes again. I have to close down and reboot to get operating again. Could this be something to do with the timing on my screen saver?? or something else?
Jeremy.
The only thing that comes to mind is if you have the USB hub in your machine set to power down. If this didn't happen with v2.01 then it probably isn't that, if so I don't have any idea as so far we haven't seen a lot of reports of this for 3.01 beta.
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Hi,
I still cant seem to get any alerts coming up for flight numbers i have set.
They have not worked for me since i loaded the beta's.
Also is it possible for the planes to stop sending out signals?
I was tracking a flight RYR1925 from Murcia Spain LELC to East mids EGNX and it was flying far east of France (not normal path) and then it has disappeared after 5 mins and its never appeared since and its landing in 5 mins and i cannot even pick it with my rig. So basically not seen by network or locally but i have all other planes flying into EGNX.
Is this a bug?
Also did i read somewhere a while ago that there was going to be a right mouse click to give you more options when hovering over a flight on the map?
Cheers
Rich.
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Well would you believe it, its turned up RYR1925, but its on a really unusual flight path to normal, maybe it was just not being picked up by any network.
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Maybe you have what I suffer from which is interaction between the signal rxed direct and by those on the network.
Jeremy.
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I have the same problem as Slipdog-No alerts off flight number.
Simon
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After all that hard work getting the port 30003 output right, nobody seems to be using it!
Maybe because it's no longer real-time :-)
It is for the Air and ID messages - just watch the raw data and see this. JSTARS gives me real time info for logging purposes :-)
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Keep getting network intermittent reading from normal to one or two aircraft showing,running latest 3.01,might be network problem,just noticed it today,will keep monitoring.
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Some issues with the port 30003 output wrt SBS compatibility:
MSG Type 6 message should contain altitude, but doesn't
SEL message shouldn't have an extra comma at the end (after the Flight ID)
SEL message should be timestamped with local time, like all the other messages, but it shows UTC.
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I experience that some routes are not shown on the map as well as on the Interface panel, although they are in the database. Shown in the attaches images. Using v 3.01 clean install.
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I refer to the problems with SquawkBox not displaying anything on v3.01.
I still have ver 2.01 working on an XP laptop and it works fine there. I've saved the MessageLog files from both V2.01 & 3.01 and attached them. Whilst not understanding fully what the text means there is a clear difference in what's being outputted on 30003.
Hope that helps.
Dean
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Hi
Still have an alert problem with 3.0.1. After a extended period of running. 24+ hours I notice some Registration Alerts aren't occurring. Example EI-EFK has just flown over me it is in the alert list but no alert given. Just restarting arnb to see it that activates things again.
fyi my registration alert list has approx 1000 entires. This was OK in v2.0
Graham
PS to confirm once ARNB had started up again, the Reg Alert started popping up with EI-EFK and others .
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A change was needed to SquawkBox to get it to work with the new messages now output on Port 30003 by version 3.01 Beta. It previously only reacted to MSG,3 messages output on this port if run with RadarBox as this was all RadarBox output in previous versions. For those that don't mind waiting 5 minutes to see their squawk codes translated I have now made those changes in a special version which can be found at http://www.gfrost.co.uk/SquawkBox/SquawkBoxfor301Beta.zip (http://www.gfrost.co.uk/SquawkBox/SquawkBoxfor301Beta.zip).
In this version I have changed the program so that it processes messages in exactly the same way as the SBS BaseStation, which SquawkBox also works with. It is nice to see that non-positional flights are now also output on the port though the value of this can perhaps be questioned if delayed by 5 minutes.
For those that interested in studying the messages output by this version I have also captured 20 minutes of data and saved it at http://www.gfrost.co.uk/SquawkBox/MessageLog_from_301_Beta.txt (http://www.gfrost.co.uk/SquawkBox/MessageLog_from_301_Beta.txt).
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I decided to try an upgrade to v3.01 beta this morning, I use Vista so my installation is in C\:Airnav.
The update offered the start menu folder name (default), I wasn't sure if this was a coded way of saying the default folder name so I left it alone to see what happened.
The result isn't pretty. What I have ended up with is the old start menu entry, a new one called (default) that contains the translated manuals and help entries , and the actual program files are in two places.
The old v2.01 folder tree is still in C:\Airnav, the new v3.01 beta is in C:\Program Files\Airnav and there is no shortcut to allow the v3.01 version to be run.
This wasn't at all what I was expecting to see. I'm going to rip everything out and start from scratch, I had save copies of my databases so I'll copy them back over the new ones that v3.01 installs I suppose.
I think the upgrade installer needs some work! ;-)
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I just noticed when I Generate flight list for today, the list is blank! yesterday works fine. - RB was running since thursday
When I restarted RB, it was fine, but now only the current tracked aircraft is shown? .. so RB forgot what was picked up this morning? - looks like RB got confused? now working ok?
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The AVG warning that pops up at startup keeps popping up even though I have answered No to the question, do you want to continue receiving this warning.
Also I have noticed my alert workaround doesn't work. A reg alert was missed after about an hour of operation.
Graham
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Hi All
As my alert problem is winding me up, I think it will be best for me to go back to v2.0, to at least satisfy my mind that it worked as I wanted. Will wait and try again with a later release.
What is the best way to go about this? I over wrote my original install. Have the arnb20setup.exe . Assume this will over write existing install. What files can I backup to restore later?
Thanks
Graham
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Only 1 alert will be sent per aircraft (mode-s code). So if you setup 2 alerts which are triggered for the same aircraft (for example AFR001 and B744 valid for the same mode-s) one one alert popup. Is this related to the problem you reported?
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FTP is still generating _200907260505.tmp files without renaming to an another name. There are a lot of .tmp files in the folder right now. Any suggestions?
The username which I use for FTP have full access to the webserver.
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FTP is still generating _200907260505.tmp files without renaming to an another name. There are a lot of .tmp files in the folder right now. Any suggestions?
Who is your FTP provider - do they have any FTP upload limits? Others have solved this problem by switching to another FTP provider - try gofreeserve.
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I own that server. There are more people uploading stuff to my website daily and there is no limit on the ftp.
I will try it to one of my ohter websites.
FTP is still generating _200907260505.tmp files without renaming to an another name. There are a lot of .tmp files in the folder right now. Any suggestions?
Who is your FTP provider - do they have any FTP upload limits? Others have solved this problem by switching to another FTP provider - try gofreeserve.
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What's the ftp server software? Does it support renaming of files via. ftp?
See http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=3000.msg27562#msg27562
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While checking my FTP settings I noticed that after a few click on the File menu option I'm not able to open the File menu option anymore. (all others are a no go too). I have to kill the radarbox application via the task manager.
when I click on one of the menu options it seems they are selected, but they won't open.
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I have jst down loaded 3.01beta version and all looks good so thanks airnav. However I can't find how to mark home with a cross. Can some one tell me what I haven't done.
Thanks
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I have jst down loaded 3.01beta version and all looks good so thanks airnav. However I can't find how to mark home with a cross. Can some one tell me what I haven't done.
Thanks
Use:
File > Preferences > Home Station Data
Put your home position in the Latitude and Longitude boxes (in decimal degrees)
In Preferences > RadarBox, make sure that you have 'Draw Home Location Legend' ticked.
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I hadn't ticked Draw Home Location Legend box. Thanks allocator
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What's the ftp server software? Does it support renaming of files via. ftp?
See http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=3000.msg27562#msg27562
Used two different sites, but still no luck. I'm only getting .tmp files.
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What's the ftp server software? Does it support renaming of files via. ftp?
See http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=3000.msg27562#msg27562
Used two different sites, but still no luck. I'm only getting .tmp files.
As tarbat says, this is almost certainly a limitation of the host rather than of the FTP upload. I presume that it's some kind of safety mechanism to stop files being overwritten.
You could try to manually FTP files of the same name to the directory where you want to save the RB screenshots and see what happens? Do you get tmp files created in this instance, or does the new file just overwrite the old one without any problem?
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Used two different sites, but still no luck. I'm only getting .tmp files.
Have you tried www.gofreeserve.com . If it works okay with gofreeserve, then you'll know for sure that it's a problem with your ftp host, and not a problem with Radarbox.
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Harry
I had all the problems below -
FTP is still generating _200907260505.tmp files without renaming to an another name. There are a lot of .tmp files in the folder right now. Any suggestions?
The username which I use for FTP have full access to the webserver. Quote from: Harry on Today at 11:00:44
Quote from: tarbat on Today at 08:38:28
What's the ftp server software? Does it support renaming of files via. ftp?
See http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=3000.msg27562#msg27562
Used two different sites, but still no luck. I'm only getting .tmp files.
As tarbat says, this is almost certainly a limitation of the host rather than of the FTP upload. I presume that it's some kind of safety mechanism to stop files being overwritten.
You could try to manually FTP files of the same name to the directory where you want to save the RB screenshots and see what happens? Do you get tmp files created in this instance, or does the new file just overwrite the old one without any problem?
But tarbat pointed me towards gofreeserve and now everything is working great. You should try it just for your own satisfaction.
www.absbta2009.co.uk have a look you will see it
Cheers
Andy
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Andy,
How did you get your aircraft to fly backwards like that??
J.
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Andy,
How did you get your aircraft to fly backwards like that??
J.
They're not flying backwards, Andy has got path vectors on and trail lines set to zero :-)
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Sorry Allocator - my sense of humour!
J.
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I did wonder .......... got me! - lol
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Jeremy
What a sense of humour -
If you look in the next 5 mins or so they will be moving forward I hope.
www.absbta2009.co.uk
Andy
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good grief. Where are you located to have coverage like that without the server?
J.
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Jeremy
If you look - top, to left of the screen you will see my home, 15 Mls west of Norwich.
Showing 137 in list.
Edit: Jeremy - Look in about 5 mins and you will see what coverage I get with my external antenna
Andy
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Very good. Mine attached.
J.
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A suggestion for the next version could be a X/Y polor diagram as there is obviously an increase in distance v height of aircraft.
J.
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A suggestion for the next version could be a X/Y polor diagram as there is obviously an increase in distance v height of aircraft.
J.
SBS Plotter will work with RadarBox - at least it did last time I checked. You can view the coverage at different altitudes.
http://www.homepages.mcb.net/bones/Kinetic/Utilities/Kinetic_Utilities5_Utils.htm
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Just as FYI, these are the issue below which we have been told about and we will rectfiy them asp.
1.) Network Timeout
2.) Alerts
3.) Port 30003 data not exactly right
4.) RB Freezes when going into screensave or suspend mode in a few cases.
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Re. 4: The whole screen has fozen several times today. Had to close down and re-boot. No other applications running. v.3.01b.
J.
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I noticed now twice that after extended operation the mylog current tracked aircraft list goes blank, the RB box lights flashes normally?
Maby some sort of timeout at mentioned above
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The reporter for the day was blank again today after the above?
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Hi Allocator, I have allways run SBS Plotter here on RB just as a quick refference for daily activity. If i have my map centered on home position it would instantly show any activity off screen which i found usefull. It would also show the furthest contact of the day. But since I have installed the new download I now find it records with a few minutes delay which rather defeats the main reason I use it. Any ideas.
Cheers Peteeds 2W1 FJZ
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No nothing like it.
I use Reg alerts a lot, when the sw starts then things work as intended but reduce significantly after time. I use these alerts to actually tell me when a particular aircraft is flying in my area so I can view it.
So over time, 2-3 hours, any particular aircraft in the alert list will not appear as an alert at all when the system picks up the aircraft. If I look back in the alert log I will see very few reg alerts mainly hexcode alerts. The hexcodes are wildcards for Military traffic. The reg alert list is civil airliners I want to see.
If I stop and start the software then the reg alerts start to appear again as they should. I have tested this when a particular aircraft on the list was tracked but didn't alert. I restarted that app and it alerted straight away. With V2.0 I never noticed this reduction in reg alerts. I have over 1000 reg's in my alert list both in v2 and v3. Probably why this hasn't been noticed in testing.
Hope this helps. Let me know if you need other info as this is my No.1 important feature.
Thanks
Graham
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Just as FYI, these are the issue below which we have been told about and we will rectfiy them asp.
1.) Network Timeout
2.) Alerts
3.) Port 30003 data not exactly right
4.) RB Freezes when going into screensave or suspend mode in a few cases.
5) Won't startup at "home" location (yes I've saved the map)
6) Preferences/radarbox/Share Flight Data = OFF will not save - always starts up on/enabled
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pjm,
5) Once you close down RadarBox after the first time it should save your location.
6.) This won't be looked at, this is done for a reason. Please search the forum for the discussions on this if you want to know more.
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Hi
I am getting registration alerts ok but no flight number alerts at all.
Strange.
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5) this possibly has to do with how I run radarbox across 2 screens (dual monitor with desktop extended) but no matter what I do it wont startup at the home location.
(http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/8577/anr.jpg)
6) I've read the forum posts and the reasoning seems to be that you want to have a "network" of data. I appreciate the concept, but you want the users to pay for the data that you are collecting for free.
I'd be happy to share my data full time if you
a) Properly showed my location in the "Real time network location" map - I find 9 times out of 10 I'm only displayed by the city associated with my IP address which gives reading about 30 klms away from where I am receiving the information.
b) Pay me to supply the info you want to on sell, this could be done on the basis of either cash, or additional time credited to the expiry date of the 1 year "included" network time.
I found that leaving Radarbox connected for 24 hours downloading and uploading network data consumed about 650mb, and that costs me dearly from my ISP.
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Just as FYI, these are the issue below which we have been told about and we will rectfiy them asp.
1.) Network Timeout
2.) Alerts
3.) Port 30003 data not exactly right
4.) RB Freezes when going into screensave or suspend mode in a few cases.
Can you also add the fact that when loading, the AVG prompt always comes up regardless whether you say you dont want the prompt next time ot not
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I found editing the registry thus fixes the bug with the AVG warning always being displayed
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\AirNav Systems\ANRB\1\General]
"AVGAntiVirus"="1"
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pjm,
What you have mentioned regarding the network in terms of uploading etc.. has also been discussed many times on the forum as well. Without repeating ourselves again there are additional costs to use for data and server which are considerable once added up. Also regarding the map there are still customers who do not want to give there location away.
If you enter in specfic details of your location and googles look up service is in a good mood it should be within a few miles of your location.
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I found editing the registry thus fixes the bug with the AVG warning always being displayed
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\AirNav Systems\ANRB\1\General]
"AVGAntiVirus"="1"
Cheers will edit the registry
Graham
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Just as FYI, these are the issue below which we have been told about and we will rectfiy them asp.
1.) Network Timeout
2.) Alerts
3.) Port 30003 data not exactly right
4.) RB Freezes when going into screensave or suspend mode in a few cases.
Can you also add the fact that when loading, the AVG prompt always comes up regardless whether you say you dont want the prompt next time ot not
I didn't get an AVG prompt in Windows XP. I got the usual Windows prompt the first time I ran the new anrb.exe and also a ZoneAlarm prompt. I unticked the Windows box and told ZoneAlarm to grant permanent access to the anrb.exe and no more prompts :-)
I'm running the Free version of AVG.
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Regarding Port 30003 output, the 3.01 Beta version is currently outputing multiple "MSG,1" messsages for the same flight. "MSG,1" contains the flight number and it seems an unnecessary waste of output/time to keep re-outputing this information when it hasn't changed, even though it isn't syntactically incorrect to do so. Also, the goal as I understood it was to be more consistent with the output produced by SBS, which I am fairly sure only outputs one "MSG,1" for each flight.
SquawkBox uses the "MSG,1" to start logging the flight in its database and multiple "MSG,1" messages have meant that some flights could be missed or not shown for the correct length of time because they got re-initialised. I have however produced an update to the Beta 3.01 version of SquawkBox I produced two days ago to cope with this at http://www.gfrost.co.uk/SquawkBox/SquawkBoxfor301Beta.zip (http://www.gfrost.co.uk/SquawkBox/SquawkBoxfor301Beta.zip). All flights that transmit a squawk code should now be included, albeit with a 5 minute delay.
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Also, the goal as I understood it was to be more consistent with the output produced by SBS, which I am fairly sure only outputs one "MSG,1" for each flight.
No, SBS/BaseStation outputs a Type 1 MSG every time it receives an aircraft ID/category squitter, which can be as often as once every 5 seconds.
RadarBox behaviour seems to be consistent with that.
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okey dokey, fair enough Dave. I was working from a log of SBS messages sent to me on which I could only ever see one MSG,1 for each flight. It does still seem unnecessary to me to be re-outputing information that hasn't changed though.
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We have merged this topic into the main V3.01 topic to keep the discussion organized.
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I'd like to say "Well Done" to all involved at AirNav in producing this latest beta. I'm very happy with it on both my PC and my laptop except for one small item which has not been adressed.
On my laptop's 1024 x 768 screen I still cannot see the 'Advanced' tab, even with the map minimized.
Tom
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Tom - you can still get to the advanced filters from the menu: Filters...Advanced Filters, or, for us keyboard fans, Alt-I, D
Rod
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I seem to have found some issues early this morning that have not been mentioned. At 5am local there are only a few planes flying around my area. In the screenshot you can see some unknown aircraft, flight 431, with ADS-B is associated with A699A1 (Should be N512HW which is not assigned per FAA database). The Airline and Type data is from what I have entered for AE2E1F.
A699A1 is not even in my database, yet it is displaying details that don't exist for it.
There is no telling how much else is screwed up until I see some of the usuals with unusual information.
At the time I also wasn't seeing the usual Fed Ex and UPS flights. Well after checking MyLog for the entire day there is only a single UPS flight and no Fed Ex. On a typical day I normally log about 30 of each.
Chalk me up too for a lack of alerts best as I can tell.
OS= Windows Vista 64
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Regarding some users reporting that they don't receive some alerts: we believe it is caused by the fact that only 1 alert will be sent per mode-s hex code.
For example if a user has alerts setup on flight number (SIA123) and aircraft type (B744) and he receives a Singapore B744 doing flight SIA123 he will only receive one alert.
What is your opinion as experienced users: should we change this behavior so that, in this case, 2 alerts are sent?
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I don't think it's a a matter of hex code. One of the four aircraft currently in my SmartView did not send an alert. It should have triggered at least one from either Mode-S (AE0*), Registration (164*) or FlightID (GOTO FMS).
I'm still getting multiple alerts for aircraft if there is more than one alert that applies. Today I had about 50 less alerts than I normally do on a Monday.
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Tom - you can still get to the advanced filters from the menu: Filters...Advanced Filters, or, for us keyboard fans, Alt-I, D
Rod
Rod,
Many thanks fo the tip but it does not give the same selections as the advanced tab such as "Show Radarbox Network Flights"
Tom
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True enough, Tom
I use a 22" screen, but I would have thought that 1024px would be wide enough - are you using large fonts rather than standard fonts?
Rod
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Hi,
Quoted by Freqhopping, i had about 50 less alerts than normal!
Something wrong with my set up or something, i get none at all, i have 10 flights set which i know fly out every day out of EGNX, also have wilcard set for A380's but nothing, my rig has been running 24hrs since the new beta and not a single alert has come thru. Weird.
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Regarding some users reporting that they don't receive some alerts: we believe it is caused by the fact that only 1 alert will be sent per mode-s hex code.
For example if a user has alerts setup on flight number (SIA123) and aircraft type (B744) and he receives a Singapore B744 doing flight SIA123 he will only receive one alert.
What is your opinion as experienced users: should we change this behavior so that, in this case, 2 alerts are sent?
It seems to me that, if two separate alert entries apply to a single hex code, that the alert itself should indicate that fact, so it should either indicate:
"Alert for B744 and SIA123" or it should indicate "2 alert conditions met".
Would that be suitable? It would give the user feedback that their alert entries are working correctly.
Having seen some other posts, it does seem that there is a deeper problem than just this multiple alert entries -> single alert happening. I can appreciate that it isn't easy to diagnose.
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So it has nothing to do with the 1 or 2 conditions met...in conclusion we need to know:
1- If every user reports this problem;
2- (difficult/challenging one): if anyone can find a way of reproducing it.
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Fed Ex and UPS flights are starting to show up tonight. My milair log for the day seems to be lacking though compared to the logs of others in my area.
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True enough, Tom
I use a 22" screen, but I would have thought that 1024px would be wide enough - are you using large fonts rather than standard fonts?
Rod
I use standard fonts, Rod. I'm a retired IT professional so there's little I don't know about Windoze etc. As 1024 x 768 is a standard I would have thought they would have fixed it. It was brought up by others on here. It's not as if there is not enough room at that screen size.
Tom
Tom
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True enough, Tom
I use a 22" screen, but I would have thought that 1024px would be wide enough - are you using large fonts rather than standard fonts?
Rod
I use standard fonts, Rod. I'm a retired IT professional so there's little I don't know about Windoze etc. As 1024 x 768 is a standard I would have thought they would have fixed it. It was brought up by others on here. It's not as if there is not enough room at that screen size.
Tom
Tom
Works OK for me at 1240 x 768.
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Horizontal monitor space is very much at a premium, even with higher resolutions. Ways to display more data in less horizontal space would be great, such as:
1. Allow the "status" field to be displayed as an abbreviation, with two or three characters per status, such as "LVL" or "LV" for "leveled", "DEP" or "DP" for "departure", etc.
2. Using taller columns, so two rows of data ca be displayed per plane. This would make the display longer; but I would much rather scroll vertically than horizontally.
One thing I would not do is make the graphics (flags, logos, etc) any smaller.
Just my belated opinion...
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I am still missing a label on the Pole Hill VOR. Although previous discussions on this put this down to an intelligent removal of labels to avoid clutter on the map the Pole Hill VOR remains separate from anything on my map and there appears to be room to label it (see attached views, normal and zoomed).
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Regarding port 30003: we have had users very interested in this feature that posted dozens of messages to the forum requesting it to be working just as SBS-1. We need a final confirmation from these users, especially DaveReid (who posted very helpful messages) that everything is working as expected with it.
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Works OK for me at 1240 x 768.
1240 x 768 is not a standard !!
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Works OK for me at 1240 x 768.
1240 x 768 is not a standard !!
Ha!!! a typing error - I meant 1024 x 768 as per the screen shot :-)
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Allocator,
I can see you have a much newer laptop than I as you can go much higher than 1024 x 768. Mine is just two years old and I don't fancy shelling out on a new one just to get a better graphics card.
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No, not new - maybe 2 or 3 years old - a Gateway MX6640b Pentium 1.6GHz with 2 Gb RAM with an 80Gb HD from Staples. Don't think that you can buy them any more - obsolete - lol
Yes, my laptop usually runs at 1280 x 800, but I did think that by running it at 1024 x 768 I could simulate your display, but obviously not.
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As usual I lost internet connectivity due to ANRB running. The only way to restore connectivity is to close it. Well today upon closing it there was an error of some sort and it was apparently a crash close because upon restarting it everything that had been logged for the day was gone.
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Hi Airnav. thanks for the patch..any news on 64 bit driver?
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We will chase Microsoft who are approving it and get back to you.
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HI ALL,
regarding my usage of the last two patches, i though i would clarify my problems,firstly none of the patches are downloadable with system and i had to do a full download loosing all previous data, when using 3.01 the network is so sporadic stopping and starts as noted before, i have also noticed that the network on that page the traffic is well down,however using 3.0 the system for very well.
this is not me moaning , but to let airnav development know of these problems and as this is BETA i will wait form the formal release of the new update and use 3.0 untill then keep up the good work everybody
regards dave-c
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We will chase Microsoft who are approving it and get back to you.
Ok. Look forward to hearing from you soon! thanks very much!! :)
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i had to do a full download loosing all previous data
If you back up the two database files then you can restore them into the new version's directory and keep all you existing changes and logged aircraft.
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hi brian can you tell me how to do that as i have tried that so i must be doing something wrong as you can tell i a rubbish at computers thanks davec
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hi brian can you tell me how to do that as i have tried that so i must be doing something wrong as you can tell i a rubbish at computers thanks davec
If you find where the RB software is installed, you will find two files in the sub-directory called data. They are called navdata.db3 and mylog.db3, all you need to do is, with the program shut down, copy these and then paste them to a folder of your choice.
Then, after reinstalling or updating, copy your stored copies back over the new installation's files of the same name, again with the program not running.
That's all you need to do.
You can also keep up to date copies so that you have up to date versions available in the event of a system problem or disk crash. Naturally this is better done occasionally and stored on a CD backup or a USB flash drive or similar.
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hi Brian
thanks for that i will done that
rgards davec
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This is a first currently have KAC118 on the map and the aircraft is flying sideways!!! All other acft on the map are correct. Am using 3.01 Beta. Has anyone else seen this? I have also noticed the past two days that some AF flights (mainly oceanic flights) remain static on the map for about 30 secs then suddenly move to the correct postion. Never had anything like this happen with prev version.
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Hi Tommyg - you get aircraft apparently flying sideways when their onboard equipment sends wrong heading data but correct positional data. Yesterday I had an airliner on MyFlights apparently pointing due north but heading west! Not RadarBox's fault!
As to the jerky positions on the map, that's probably due to RadarBox 3 Beta's sensitivity to late arrival of network data. We hope that will be solved when the final release cones along.
Rod
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Hi Rod. I did notice on my flights it was showing a heading of 360deg when it was actually heading 090deg towards DVR VOR when I confirmed it visually. I am using a very old (7yrs) laptop so expect that may be some reason why I have the occasional jerky movement on the map as 3.01 is more sensitive.
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Hi Tommyg - you get aircraft apparently flying sideways when their onboard equipment sends wrong heading data but correct positional data. Yesterday I had an airliner on MyFlights apparently pointing due north but heading west! Not RadarBox's fault!
To amplify this, it's perhaps not widely known but aircraft don't explicitly send track (except when on the ground) as part of the ADS-B squitter.
Instead, they send two velocity components - one in an E/W direction and one N/S, both to the nearest knot. When combined, these produce a velocity vector consisting of groundspeed and magnetic track (imagine a right-angled triangle).
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Thanks, Dave.
Rod
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to get aircraft equiped with mode-s only displayed on the map will this have to be a hardware or a software change different transponder in the aircraft?
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Must be something to do with Kuwaiti B777's. KAC101 on its way into LHR is on the map now flying sideways!!!! On my flights heading 360 but actually heading approx 270.
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to get aircraft equiped with mode-s only displayed on the map will this have to be a hardware or a software change different transponder in the aircraft?
It's rare to see aircraft being retrofitted with ADS-B, I can only think of a handful that I've logged since I started monitoring 4 years ago.
Aircraft tend to either have ADS-B from new, or have only Mode S and stay that way, and most of the latter will be retired before widespread use of ADS-B becomes mandatory (if indeed that day ever comes).
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to get aircraft equiped with mode-s only displayed on the map will this have to be a hardware or a software change different transponder in the aircraft?
It's rare to see aircraft being retrofitted with ADS-B, I can only think of a handful that I've logged since I started monitoring 4 years ago.
Aircraft tend to either have ADS-B from new, or have only Mode S and stay that way, and most of the latter will be retired before widespread use of ADS-B becomes mandatory (if indeed that day ever comes).
WestJet in Canada is a good example of an existing fleet being retro fitted with ADS-B. A year ago there was none and now I have logged 20 of their existing fleet retro-fitted.
Paul@cyyb
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to get aircraft equiped with mode-s only displayed on the map will this have to be a hardware or a software change different transponder in the aircraft?
It will usually be a hardware change in the aircraft but there are some Mode-S transponders that can be upgraded to run ADS-B from standard Mode-S mode, they need to be linked to a positional information source such as inertial navigation system or GPS.
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to get aircraft equiped with mode-s only displayed on the map will this have to be a hardware or a software change different transponder in the aircraft?
It's rare to see aircraft being retrofitted with ADS-B, I can only think of a handful that I've logged since I started monitoring 4 years ago.
Aircraft tend to either have ADS-B from new, or have only Mode S and stay that way, and most of the latter will be retired before widespread use of ADS-B becomes mandatory (if indeed that day ever comes).
This is not strictly correct. Fed Ex has spent a lot fitting ADS-B to all its MD11 and KLM likewise with its MD11's
Mike
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Hi, Re Alert probs with Beta 3, done a full install of beta 3.1, the probs with the alerts is now 10 times worse!!!reg's thast i deleted ages ago and reg's I havent even put into the "ALERTS" are poping up every few seconds and am getting a bit p****d off with it. I dont want to be looking at the screen for 8 hours waiting for a reg to come up so WHERE are the old reg's stored, in the registary, so why arnt they deleted when deleted out of the alerts box and after reboot. Surley there must be some way deleting them and of stopping this happening. A solution to this prob would be good.
Roger.
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Fed Ex has spent a lot fitting ADS-B to all its MD11 and KLM likewise with its MD11's
Yes, and in both cases that made sense given that they would otherwise be banned from using the Hudson Bay mandatory ADS-B airspace.
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Hi, Re Alert probs with Beta 3, done a full install of beta 3.1, the probs with the alerts is now 10 times worse!!!reg's thast i deleted ages ago and reg's I havent even put into the "ALERTS" are poping up every few seconds and am getting a bit p****d off with it. I dont want to be looking at the screen for 8 hours waiting for a reg to come up so WHERE are the old reg's stored, in the registary, so why arnt they deleted when deleted out of the alerts box and after reboot. Surley there must be some way deleting them and of stopping this happening. A solution to this prob would be good.
Roger.
I use the alert function extensively, yet I'm convinced that that all the alerts I put in work as advertised. I don't understand how it is possible for it to be OK for me, but not work at all for others.
The only theory I have is that if there a big number of items in the alert boxes - and some people have literally been entering hundreds of items - then it's just taking so long to process that some alerts are being missed?
I did post the registry locations for the alert settings a couple of weeks ago, so I'm sure a forum search for 'registry' will show this.
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Also, on the subject of alerts, I'm running JSARS with a custom data file that reflects the hex codes that I've got set in Alerts, and the JSTARS log file matches the alerts I'm getting from RB. An interesting comparison.
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i Allocator,
About Alert, i use only 3 Flight ID:
FP* (French Postal)
AF68*
UPS*
and one for the Aircraft:
A38*
No alert for Flight ID and no alert for the A38* but
well in my log ????
No big number of items !!!!
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Here are my alerts for this evening so far. The A380 was a network alert so wasn't trapped by JSTARS. ZD621 is there in the RB Alert list but I've scrolled down to show the others.
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I was away from my computer most of the day today. When I returned, the MyFlights page had one flight listed more than 20 times and was locked up with no other flights listed. I had to restart the application.
Jim
Oshkosh
3.01
Vista
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I also experienced a simialr problem yesterday - had to shut-down restart,
GeoT
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I think there have been messages re problems with Alerts - just experienced a problem with A380 A6-EDE; passed overhead on probably its first visit to CYYZ, it is in my Alerts, but no message sound or notification message generated. This is my first occurence that I am aware of.
GeoT
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Hi.
Today I had two M- registered aircrafts and the Man flag was not displayed.
Instead it was displayed a flag similar to a military one. Version 3.01 full install.
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Manuel - you need Tarbat's D008 file - download and install the zip from here: http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=667.msg12094#msg12094 (http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=667.msg12094#msg12094)
Rod
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this baby works fine again:), good job airnav
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Hi
I am using an external antenna with a 6 meters RG214 cable. My rage to the "open sky" is very nice. I am getting data from 200nm in average and picks up to 300nm.
On the mid range I gets very nice trail lines without any breaks.
This all has been changed since upgraded to 3.01.
With the network connected I can see the MSG/SEC is dropping to 0 every 10 sec+- and my nice trail lines are not as they used to be.
Also un checking the "GetFlights from the Network" doesn't work so good at my side. I am not getting any aircrafts in the list after disconnecting from the network, but I can still see them on the map..
I need to do a full RadarBox software restart in order to get fully disconnected from the network and then get my nice trail lines back.
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Any other user experiencing the same problem?
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im getting the message drop out and also the flights dont clear when you un-check network dont need to re-start as they eventually time out but have tried it and it does clear them
cheers paul
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forgot to say message count drops down when im connected to the network
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I was experiencing the opposite yesterday all day - when de-selecting the network option, the top two entries in the network tab on the screen wouldn't clear even though the flight count marker was showing zero.The flights had correctly disappeared from the map though!
The only way of clearing was to restart each time - seems ok today
On a general note my Vista SP upgrade seems fine
Also my earlier reference to connecting to Aerodata analyser to version 3.01 beta has now been sorted by reperforming the standard junction link as supplied
by Aerodata
Regards
Rich
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I seem to now have a problem with aircraft not plotting on the map even though the 'globe' is present next to the status on the aircraft list. Never was a problem on the previous (non-beta) version.
A restart of Radarbox temporarily solves the problem only for it to happen again after an hour or so.
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I seem to now have a problem with aircraft not plotting on the map even though the 'globe' is present next to the status on the aircraft list. Never was a problem on the previous (non-beta) version.
A restart of Radarbox temporarily solves the problem only for it to happen again after an hour or so.
That was a problem with V3.0 Beta - are you sure that you are running V3.01 Beta?
The fix for the non plotting was to left click on the map and drag it by a very small amount. I haven't seen this problem with V3.01 Beta.
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hi all,
i have managed to install the 3,1 beta and transfered all my inputted data, however i have notice that the network flight tally is jumping from 300-680-100, also the flights drop on the screen its very intermitant, sorry if this has been reported before, am using windows xp and new pc, anybody have anyideas that it would fix?
thanks in advance dave-c
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Hi Dave,
Yes, this has been reported as is a combination of a change in the Server logic and V3.01 Beta. AirNav are aware and are looking to fix this for the next Beta software release V3.02. No time estimate, but it is work in progress.
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HI ALLOCATOR,
thaks for that swift reply, i wonder if you could help me with my next challenge, i downloaded logos from a different site as i prefer the tail logos , it worked but anav is clipping half the tail, is there anything i can do, as always i am pretty rubbish at pc etc, thanks again , well done to airnav et all for a great product and support
davec
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Dave,
I've got to go out now - taking the out-laws home :-)
I'll leave you in the good hands of the other forum members and I'll get back to you later if your question hasn't been answered.
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davec, where did you download them from? Sound like you might have downloaded logos designed for SBS-1 Basestation, not the Radarbox. In which case you'll need to re-size them to 16 pixels high.
EZY example attached.
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Hi Tarbat, i downloaded from jacks logos as i like the tails, how do i resize them, as i say i am pretty rubish at pc s, thanks
davec
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I just ran the whole set through FastStone - http://www.faststone.org/FSResizerDetail.htm
Takes a couple of minutes to do all 3500+ logos, using the attached options.
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2446/3784331903_d150106d93_m.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tarbat/3784331903/sizes/o/)
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hi tarbat, i have the program but i cant get it to work, i put in 68+16, press reset then finish but nothing happens
any ideas
dave
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Make sure you've selected the logos you want to resize (eg Add All)
Setup an output folder
Use Advanced Options
Tick Resize
Resize based on one side
Predefined Side = Height exactly = 16 pixels
Method = default
OK
Alternatively, ask Jack for permission for the resized logos to be published.
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HI TARBART,
tried all of that ,seems that the radarbox willnoy present anything other that 85~20, i have treid all afternoon so i will have a rest thanks for your help
davec
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HI airnav support,
have noticed another problem with the betas, some days i am not getting route info on particular flights,today for some reason its delta i check the data base and the route info is there, it is very intermitant,i know this was a recent fix , maybe its sneaking back, if its been mentioned before appologies, route info is one of my favourite releases,keep up the good work
davec
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Hi,
I know there are a lot of problems with the alerts side of things, but i cant remember anyone having this problem.
It is not the first time this has happened to me but i usually have about 6 alerts set for flight ID and 1 set for aircraft type, for some reason it loses my alerts that are stored.
Now when i first got ANRB i set 2 alerts and 1 aircraft, since loading the beta's i added more alerts but when it loses the extra added alerts i put in and it seems to always revert back to my original 3 i set. (Strange as i have deleted all older versions) This has happened about 3 times now (i know not a real headache but it would be if i had enter loads), how is it defaulting back to my original alerts (even tho i have never had an alert show up since loading the beta's) but maybe this has something to do with the problems of no alerts showing up.
I hope you get the gist of what i am trying to explain.
Is there any progress of the bug being finally nailed by the support team yet?
Cheers
Rich.
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Rich
It does seem odd that as far as I know, no-one else is experiencing this problem. As you say, the alerts are stored in the Registry.
This may possibly be related to the minor bug that RB doesn't remember colour schemes, which are also held in the Registry.
You aren't doing a lot of system restores, are you?
Rod
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Hi Rod,
I have never ever done a system restore, my computer runs 24/7/365 and i have never turned it off in the 3 years i've had it. (I lied, once to install a new cd rom)
So details are stored in the registry? maybe something still there causing problems.
I run XP and i never upgraded to the beta's i always did a full install but i have uninstalled the originals a week or so ago.
Maybe i should take it completely off my computer then re-install it, maybe the alerts will work then.
Cheers
Rich.
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Not sure if this is a problem with the network or RB v3.01 beta, but When i activate network flights Rb runs very eratic network flights come and go on the screen and the flights from my flights also pause for long periods of time, if i switch off network flights then all runs smoothly again. Any ideas, I know that my internet connection is working fine.
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Spaice: I have the same problem (You can read my post on page 13 on this thread)
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i have resolved the issue, it works for me. uninstall the version 3 and reinstall the version 2 and you get none of these problems. i will reinstall 3 on the next beta realease if the problems have been solved. i have over 1000 network flights and they don't disappear or go to zero like with the beta
cheers
frank, sardinia
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Hi Sterigia,
I have done the same and gone back to v2, network is solid now at 700ish flights where i was only receiving around 300-400 on v3 and my alerts came back!!
Weird thing is that it has remembered setting for my alerts from v3, there is defo something not being deleted from the registry.
I'll try it again when the v3 is a bit more robust.
Cheers
Rich.
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so i have noticed, folders are not erased too.must be an anticrack feature so you don't install the free trial more than once
frank
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Have downloaded the 3.01 Beta onto my new PC that is running on Vista and cannot connect to either the hardware or network. Any ideas.
After downloding the 3.01 it mentioned a digital signature for the device drivers but do not know what to do. Running Vista Home Premium SP1
A frustrated AirNav user
Nigel
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Good morning all,
I noticed last night that the emailing of my reports would not work in V3.01, I know it did not work in V3 beta but iwas fixed in 3.01, the network did seem to be very slow ast night could it be the servers at airnav causing this issue?
Regards
Stephen
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@ Spaice,
It is the first time that my emailing reports didn't work last night too and i'm back on v2, must have something to do with airnav servers (which i find strange as i thought that would be done with the software locally) other than that the network is solid and alerts are working good. (Yee Ha)
Rich.
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seems like many are going back to v2...
frank
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The vast majority are still on Version 3 the latest beta.
One of the issues here is that people are not reading any of the posts and making there own minds up on certain issues.
Network:
- Last beta has aggresive timeouts so if your machine doesn't download the data intime you get timeouts of network aircraft and hence the network value changes. This will be fixed in the next version. Most of the time on a good connection this issue will not be noted.
Email Alerts:
These are being sent, please check no spam filters have been setup on your side.
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Network:
- Last beta has aggresive timeouts so if your machine doesn't download the data intime you get timeouts of network aircraft and hence the network value changes. This will be fixed in the next version. Most of the time on a good connection this issue will not be noted.
Will v3.02 beta use the network timeouts as setup in Preferences?
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Yes it should do.
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excellent,
frank
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Airnav, I have not set up any spam settings, I emailed a report a few days ago and it worked fine. I emailed a log at around 9:00 and again at 9:30 uk time, but never received them. I will try again this evening, and see what happens.
regards
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well,
The vast majority are still on Version 3 the latest beta.
One of the issues here is that people are not reading any of the posts and making there own minds up on certain issues.
Network:
- Last beta has aggresive timeouts so if your machine doesn't download the data intime you get timeouts of network aircraft and hence the network value changes. This will be fixed in the next version. Most of the time on a good connection this issue will not be noted.
Email Alerts:
These are being sent, please check no spam filters have been setup on your side.
it is a fact that registry settings are not completely removed and nor are folders removed.
frank
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Airnav,
i have no spam setup either, but this is the only time it has ever happened to me, this could be down to ISP or mail provider etc, maybe not ANRB, i only mentioned it because it happened to someone else. Keep up the good work, i'll try the next beta when its released before i move off v2 again.
Cheers
Rich.
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hi airnav,
i am working beta 3.0,and it works fine apart from intermitent route omisions, however if i use 3.1 network is unworkable, as it does what other people have reported,i only mention this because it may help to sort out the next fix
regards davec
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support,
i am only moaning to let you know the issues that are to be fixed. like davec
saluti
frank
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Airnav, I have tried once again to email my log report without success, no spam filtering has been set up, is this something you are looking into as it was fixed with patch 1
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Spaice,
Not at the moment, its working for everyone else and our closed beta testers said that issue was fixed as well.
When you mean email mylog report? Do you mean your trying to send the report for the day.
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Hello Airnav,
Ok I have to eat humble pie, for some reason googlemail decided that the reports sent via Airnav were spoofed using my name and put them into spam. It has taken me some time to work out what was happening. Sorry about that, but it was not obvious nor did googlemail show the email as spam it just hid them all. Sorted now though.
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Have just down loaded the 3.01 beta and can still report that alerts are not working for me. Having seen a couple of the aircraft appear on the dataline but receiving no alert message being received i am unsure as to what to do next. Any suggestions ?
Alerts worked fine on v2.
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So Airnav was right all along Spaice. It's good you apologised and you got your problem sorted in the end. It takes a real man to admit he got it wrong, well done!
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Afraid not, as I've never seen it freeze :-)
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my beta3 freezed too after a random time. i have reinstalled v2 until things get fixed
frank
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my beta3 freezed too after a random time. i have reinstalled v2 until things get fixed
frank
Another freezer here after trying 3.01 beta twice. I thought it must be me with a slow PC or something at my end so I'm re-assured (in a way!) to find I'm not alone.
Back on v2 with which I'm happy.
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Hi
could some kind soul send me a copy of beta 3.0 as i have broke my copy
for pcwindows xp
thanks in advance
davec
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I reported the same some time ago. I questioned if it was something to do with my processor speed or screen saver settings, but I have the same thing happen regularly.
Jeremy.
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I've read through the previous 16 pages of posts on this topic so apologies if I've missed this...
Has anyone else noticed this problem with 3.01 ?
I'm happier than a pig in manure with the latest version - ATRs, Embraers and bizjets are all throwing up flight numbers and routes (because that box is ticked), something that wasn't available on my previous versions.
However... and this is the bugbear from previous versions... I input the full details for N407BV an A320 due Shannon tonight prior to it's pickup on the box. I have 'Auto Populate Aircraft Data' and 'Download Aircraft Photo' ticked in the preferences box but when the aircraft was picked up, Database Explorer was populated (overwritten ! :-( ) by 'Tie up extracted from Country Sequence' in the A/C Name field.
This has happened on so many occasions now that I have a real pain in my breasts with the problem. I also find that for 90% or so of new aircraft picked up that the 'AT' field is populated as three dots in Database Explorer, all other fields correct. Apart from that I'm really happy with V 3.01 and I don't really want to untick the 'Autopopulate' box as it was a real pain updating the dB manually prior to his.
Speaking of 'untick' can we not have an 'opt in' rather than 'opt out' option for 'Share Data' in Preferences/Radar Box. If Ryanair can do it, surely to God Airnav can do it also ?
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Speaking of 'untick' can we not have an 'opt in' rather than 'opt out' option for 'Share Data' in Preferences/Radar Box. If Ryanair can do it, surely to God Airnav can do it also ?
Unfortunately Airnav have decided hey want to "annoy" (I've deliberately downplayed what I wanted to say there) a significant number of their Radarbox owners by forcing this option ON always, and making you turn it off every time you start the Radarbox program.
Their reasons seem to be for their own commercial gain.
I wouldn't mind if the default option when you install the software was ON, but if a user chooses "not to share" the THEIR data permanently, Airnav should respect that.
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I input the full details for N407BV an A320 due Shannon tonight prior to it's pickup on the box. I have 'Auto Populate Aircraft Data' and 'Download Aircraft Photo' ticked in the preferences box but when the aircraft was picked up, Database Explorer was populated (overwritten ! :-( ) by 'Tie up extracted from Country Sequence' in the A/C Name field.
I find that I can prevent an aircraft being re-populated with erroneous data (eg "..." in AT, "Tie up extracted........" in AN) by putting data in ALL the fields - MS, AR, AT, AN, AC, CN, PT, LK, PT2, and LK2, and by putting a photo in the PHOTO folder. That way Radarbox no longer tries getting details for the aircraft.
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I have tried putting data in all fields - MS, AR, AT, AN, AC, CN, PT, LK, PT2, and LK2, and the data is still getting over written. The only thing I have not tried is making sure it has a photo download into the photo folder, but saying that, what about if a photo is not available.
I have spoken about the problems with the database before, this is an important part of the hobby for me and as it work at the moment makes it very hard work keeping on top of it, especaily when I keep updating the navdata file - only for the data to be over written next time that aircraft is picked up.
Andy
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The only thing I have not tried is making sure it has a photo download into the photo folder, but saying that, what about if a photo is not available.
I use this dummy photo on the very rare occasion that a photo can't be find.
And yes, it's not ideal at the moment, but filling in all the fields and getting a photo downloaded is a workaround that works for me.
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Beat me to it again tarbat - yes, any jpg around 200x135 will do.
The first one named:
registration.jpg
and the second one
registration,1.jpg
with registration replaced with the registration of the aircraft.
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Ok guys will give that a go, sounds a good work round.
Andy
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Beat me to it again tarbat - yes, any jpg around 200x135 will do.
I used something with a big cross on it, so that once a month I can look through my PHOTO folder and easily spot the dummy photos, and go searching on the various photo sites for any new photos.
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2476/3800505134_8e4c96e4eb_t.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tarbat/3800505134/sizes/o/)
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Another cracking idea.
Must be a good morning today - Thanks
Andy
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With regard to the freezing, my map still freezes but if the map is closed then re-opened it sorts its self out. This is an improvement on the last version
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I've read through the previous 16 pages of posts on this topic so apologies if I've missed this...
Has anyone else noticed this problem with 3.01 ?
I'm happier than a pig in manure with the latest version - ATRs, Embraers and bizjets are all throwing up flight numbers and routes (because that box is ticked), something that wasn't available on my previous versions.
However... and this is the bugbear from previous versions... I input the full details for N407BV an A320 due Shannon tonight prior to it's pickup on the box. I have 'Auto Populate Aircraft Data' and 'Download Aircraft Photo' ticked in the preferences box but when the aircraft was picked up, Database Explorer was populated (overwritten ! :-( ) by 'Tie up extracted from Country Sequence' in the A/C Name field.
This has happened on so many occasions now that I have a real pain in my breasts with the problem. I also find that for 90% or so of new aircraft picked up that the 'AT' field is populated as three dots in Database Explorer, all other fields correct. Apart from that I'm really happy with V 3.01 and I don't really want to untick the 'Autopopulate' box as it was a real pain updating the dB manually prior to his.
Speaking of 'untick' can we not have an 'opt in' rather than 'opt out' option for 'Share Data' in Preferences/Radar Box. If Ryanair can do it, surely to God Airnav can do it also ?
When it eventually works !
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Since moving to Beta version 3.01 I have had a some strange activity in the Reporter log .... basically if either G-BWDB (ATR72) or JA736J (B777) should be logged they appear thousands of times!! and I do mean thousands. I had both one day this week and the total logged for the day was some 27,000 !! ... there used to be a few instances of these 2 aircraft previously maybe a dozen or so times over a few minutes but this is just crazy.
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AirNav,
This seems to be tied up with the problem I have. I output data from port 30003 to PlanePlotter servers and since installing V3.01 beta my RB has been sending spurious aircraft data to the PlanePlotter servers, causing them to ban me from sharing.
Tom
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I output data from port 30003 to PlanePlotter servers and since installing V3.01 beta my RB has been sending spurious aircraft data to the PlanePlotter servers, causing them to ban me from sharing.
Strange. I share onto the Planeplotter network (sharer pQ), and I haven't been banned. What IO option are you using in PP - the following work okay:
1. SBS1 tcp (port 30003)
2. Radarbox tcp (port 7879)
I use port 7879 now.
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This seems to be tied up with the problem I have. I output data from port 30003 to PlanePlotter servers and since installing V3.01 beta my RB has been sending spurious aircraft data to the PlanePlotter servers, causing them to ban me from sharing.
I'm not up to speed with the latest versions of PlanePlotter, but it occurs to me that if up to now the RadarBox 30003 output wasn't compatible with the SBS's, then presumably PP takes that into account when you tell it that the output is coming from a RadarBox ?
Now that it is compatible, have you tried telling PlanePlotter to expect SBS-format output ?
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Now that it is compatible, have you tried telling PlanePlotter to expect SBS-format output ?
Exactly. Either use SBS tcp (30003), or Radarbox tcp (7879). Do not use Radarbox 30003. This was discussed on the Planeplotter forum when I was closed-beta testing v3.
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Tarbat and Dave,
I must have missed those posts - I do tend to spend my time actually tracking aircraft with mlat rather than reading all the posts every day.
Strange that Bev didn't mention it when I had the prob. I'll reinstall v3.01 Beta and try RB tcp.
Thanks for the info guys.
Tom
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One thing I've noticed is that if I go to full screen on the map and then back to the normal window, the map scale changes considerably.
I would expect it to come back to where it was originally.
I don't know if this is the same as it was on v2.01 as I could never get the map to show after coming back from full screen.
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Alerts still not working on V3.0 or 3.1 - worked ok on v2.0
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Paulc,
Can you explain what your entering? for most people this is working fine.
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Am only entering registration info (ie G-FLC* for new Flybe DHC8) for specific aircraft and as on V2 would hope to get an on screen message pop up. Had one appear on dataline yesterday evening but no alert.
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I'm missing some airport names and codes e.g. Heathrow, Luton, Whilst Gatwick, London City and others are showing. Any ideas? I did a search but couldn't find this mentioned before.
Tom
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I quite often get instances where Glasgow and Prestwick airport names do not appear when the 'Fix' for Lanak is named on the map. If I turn Fixes off and then on again, up pops the names for Glasgow and Prestwick Airports but no name for the Lanak fix although the actual triangle symbol is shown. Most strange. I'm sure it did not happen with the previous version 2.
Ian
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Ian,
Thanks for that tip. I turned on FIX and the missing names reappeared. Turned FIX off and they remained.
Tom
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Tom,
Probably difficult to tell unless you also study a particular 'Fix' as I do with Lanak as it is the main one for Glasgow and Edinburgh airports but did you notice if any of the names of the 'Fixes' disappeared when you got your airport names back ?
Ian
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Ian,
Affirmative. Some of the ones near Heathrow have gone.
Tom
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Really looking forward to v3.02
Airnav can you please add the google earth maps again as a option
Thanks! Marc
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Ian,
Affirmative. Some of the ones near Heathrow have gone.
Tom
Tom,
Thanks for that confirmation. It's as if the RB cannot handle all the available information at the one time on occasions. Still as long as the little triangle symbol for the 'fix' point remains I can put up with it.
Cheers,
Ian
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Ainav, how's v3.02 doing ? Thanks
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We are awaiting drivers. The next release will be a full release not a beta.
We thank all the beta testers who have helped us.
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airnav will it fix the network timeout issue?
thanks
frank
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Yes :)
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at last , thanks
frank
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Hi Airnav
I am still not getting flight number alerts(I am missing them)
Simon
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How long can we expect to wait? Pls confirm that google maps will be avalb aswell in full release?
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What do you mean google earth maps? they were never included in the first place. We only use NASA maps.
We are waiting the 64bit drivers at present so cannot give a date.
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Hi Airnav
I am still not getting flight number alerts(I am missing them)
Simon
Flight number alerts are working fine. Remember that the aircraft needs to be displaying a valid Flight ID otherwise you won't get an alert. Also, what you put in the alerts setting box has to match the Flight ID.
To get one Flight ID alert, I often have to put 4 entries into the box:
BA59
BA059
BAW59
BAW059
And even then, it depends on the crew getting the input right!
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What do you mean google earth maps? they were never included in the first place. We only use NASA maps.
We are waiting the 64bit drivers at present so cannot give a date.
How many users are requiring the 64 bit drivers and how many are just requiring a patch sent out fixing the Network problem. At this rate, I suspect we are all going to have to wait an awful long time before we see a network improvement. How many times is that now we have heard about these 64 bit drivers. Would it not be more sensible to release the full working version now and then a patch for the 64 bit drivers when/if they are ever released !
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airnav,
personally i would like the fix for the network problem which i think is more urgent and more demanded, then the other fixes as they come along can be added until version 3.2. not many of us have a 64 bit os,but many of us have the network problem. it is a question of priority on my part even though it may seem a bit selfish, for the moment i would like to instal vers 3.1 beta with the network problem solved.
thanks
frank
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hi Allocator,
i'm not agree about Alerts for Flight number works well,
if i entries FP* , the alert works some time !!!!
or must be consider that the * not working.
FP is the first caracter for all Postal Flight in France, and
twice a day theses flight landing at Montpellier airport. (very easy to test).
and so another test, for the flight AF684ZA who his well displayed on
the Radar Box, there is no alerts.... This flight landing every evening
at Montpellier airport and i have never display another data other
AF684ZA.
But i understand that sometimes the data depends of the crew typing.
Patrick / F6GSG
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To keep things organized, we have closed this topic and opened a new one.
Follow the discussion at:
http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=3245