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Title: Ultimate AirNav Systems
Post by: alavana on May 19, 2010, 01:52:33 PM: Here`s just a thought about a future feature.

What is the possibility of incorporating an airband receiver (civil and military) into the already great AirNav radarbox, with it, the necesary software interface to "listen in" to what you can monitor on screen? Maybe even linking transmissions to exact locations!

I currently use the Icom IC-R9500
http://www.icomuk.co.uk/categoryRender.asp?categoryID=3789&productID=743&tID=647 (http://www.icomuk.co.uk/categoryRender.asp?categoryID=3789&productID=743&tID=647)
for all my HF/VHF listening and often hear aircraft communicating with ground traffic that I see on my PC screen.

Airband scanners/receivers are not illegal to purchase but I`m not sure how AirNav Systems would feel about taking the 3D development to an even higher level by combining audio with video?

Your thoughts on this please?
Title: Re: Ultimate AirNav Systems
Post by: DaveG on May 19, 2010, 02:00:03 PM: Think for me I'd prefer not to have it included.

There are dedicated scanners on the market with good software doing this job well. If it were to be added to RB then for one it means new hardware but more importantly means another level of development and support with good chance of thing going wrong or at the least not as people would like.

Let keep RB being developed for what it is.

Better being good at one thing than poor at two.
Title: Re: Ultimate AirNav Systems
Post by: alavana on May 19, 2010, 02:10:36 PM: I can see thie potential for this being developed at some point in the future, it mostly depends on development costs and "who" feels the most competent at their success to do so. I think successfuly combining the two would leave the others in the dark.
Title: Re: Ultimate AirNav Systems
Post by: Runway 31 on May 19, 2010, 02:41:37 PM: With it would come increased cost, keep the scanner and ADSB seperate
Title: Re: Ultimate AirNav Systems
Post by: Marpleman on May 19, 2010, 02:43:29 PM: Hasn't this already been either discussed or developed for the "other" product (1er)???

Personally too much gadgetary for my liking if it came as standard

Rich
Title: Re: Ultimate AirNav Systems
Post by: alavana on May 19, 2010, 02:48:22 PM: Have you ever noticed when a "new improved version" appears on the scene, the previous one drops dramatically in price? And I`m not talking about AirNav systems here, but this happens to most things in general!

By all means keep them seperate, but be sure your competitors are hard at work with their latest developments, too!
Title: Re: Ultimate AirNav Systems
Post by: Jeremy on May 19, 2010, 02:59:04 PM: The coverage at VHF is very differfent from the coverage at 1.2Ghz. How would the RB know that the a/c had changed VHF frequency as it crosses the diffrerent zones?
J.
Title: Re: Ultimate AirNav Systems
Post by: radarspotter10 on May 19, 2010, 03:00:53 PM: Quote from: alavana on May 19, 2010, 01:52:33 PM
Here`s just a thought about a future feature.

What is the possibility of incorporating an airband receiver (civil and military) into the already great AirNav radarbox, with it, the necesary software interface to "listen in" to what you can monitor on screen? Maybe even linking transmissions to exact locations!

I currently use the Icom IC-R9500
http://www.icomuk.co.uk/categoryRender.asp?categoryID=3789&productID=743&tID=647 (http://www.icomuk.co.uk/categoryRender.asp?categoryID=3789&productID=743&tID=647)
for all my HF/VHF listening and often hear aircraft communicating with ground traffic that I see on my PC screen.

Airband scanners/receivers are not illegal to purchase but I`m not sure how AirNav Systems would feel about taking the 3D development to an even higher level by combining audio with video?

Your thoughts on this please?
Hi alavana
You just have to look at the other receiver with air the band on it, the reports are terrible every post say," their own hand held scanners is far better".
Its all about keeping prices down and a dedicate air band scanner cost money, no good putting a cheap scanner in as the opposition did, people will catch on their getting conned .
from pat
Title: Re: Ultimate AirNav Systems
Post by: alavana on May 19, 2010, 03:06:58 PM: Thanks for that - I shall have to hunt the "other" one down as I wasn`t aware of it.
I agree that "cheap" is not the answer.

Mmmmm, now if only there was a "plugin" available as an alternative method - but even that probably wouldn`t wotk on my Icom!

Thanks for input. ;)
Title: Re: Ultimate AirNav Systems
Post by: ACW367 on May 19, 2010, 03:44:59 PM: You would also lose mobility. if your scanner was slaved in the radarbox, to take it to airfields and airshows you would need to also take and permanently keep a laptop running whilst at the airfield.

There is no part of the mode S broadcast message from the aircraft that relates to the ATC frequency they are using.

Keep them seperate, with each device specialising in what it does best.
Title: Re: Ultimate AirNav Systems
Post by: AirNav Support on May 19, 2010, 04:51:21 PM: We have noted this, please keep other requests coming.
Title: Re: Ultimate AirNav Systems
Post by: orkney on May 19, 2010, 05:39:40 PM: Quote from: AirNav Support on May 19, 2010, 04:51:21 PM
We have noted this, please keep other requests coming.

Hi

we have already suggested an idea, see here.

http://www.airnavsystems.com/forum/index.php?topic=2885.msg49492#msg49492

Claire
Title: Re: Ultimate AirNav Systems
Post by: alavana on May 19, 2010, 05:56:24 PM: I have requested a "Poll" to help in finding out how many forum users use an airband radio in conjuntion with the AirNav RadarBox.

Not sure if it will be allocated a slot, but one can only request.
Title: Re: Ultimate AirNav Systems
Post by: bearcat on May 19, 2010, 06:12:40 PM: I'd say keep them seperate to keep cost down. I wonder how many people will replace their current Rbox just to have the VHF option. If you want to hear ATC with your box just hook your scanner up to your PC.
Title: Re: Ultimate AirNav Systems
Post by: alavana on May 19, 2010, 06:19:33 PM: How dare you call my £9000 Icom IC-R9500 receiver a "scanner" lol.

(http://i798.photobucket.com/albums/yy270/rx64/GENERAL%20PURPOSE/radicom.png)
Title: Re: Ultimate AirNav Systems
Post by: bearcat on May 19, 2010, 06:25:50 PM: Sorry should have said a scanner :-)
Title: Re: Ultimate AirNav Systems
Post by: jannuh on May 20, 2010, 10:02:55 AM: Keep it separate.
Everyone can pick his own scanner for VHF/UHF air comms, some want a cheap one, some others want to spend 9000 pounds.. ;-)
Title: Re: Ultimate AirNav Systems
Post by: malc41 on May 20, 2010, 06:41:45 PM: Sounds better than calling it a radio!
Title: Re: Ultimate AirNav Systems
Post by: alavana on May 20, 2010, 07:36:51 PM: You can call it whatever you like - just don`t ever ask me to choose between my "communications receiving equipment" and the missus.

Time to play around with the ACARS interface within ANRB tomorrow, since I do enjoy getting the most out of this wonderful bit of kit.
Title: Re: Ultimate AirNav Systems
Post by: malc41 on May 20, 2010, 08:31:25 PM: can't say I blame you Icom do do some great kit
Title: Re: Ultimate AirNav Systems
Post by: alavana on May 21, 2010, 08:51:04 AM: Quote from: ACW367 on May 19, 2010, 03:44:59 PM
There is no part of the mode S broadcast message from the aircraft that relates to the ATC frequency they are using.

Can the same be said for an aircraft transmiting an ACARS signal?

I`m just trying to establish if an audio signal can be linked to a specific aircraft on radar, even though I understand it`s not possible at this stage of the software development.
Title: Re: Ultimate AirNav Systems
Post by: malc41 on May 21, 2010, 08:56:52 AM: Alavana

Sorry but not 100% sure what you are asking. Audio and radar are poles apart on the spectrum, audio in the Mhz and radar in the Ghz.
Title: Re: Ultimate AirNav Systems
Post by: alavana on May 21, 2010, 09:12:20 AM: There is an ACARS interface in the software and as long as you have an audio input set up correctly, it displays messages on the screen.

When an aircraft transmits this data, would it be technically possible to link the aircraft to the position on the radar with some fancy software programming?
Title: Re: Ultimate AirNav Systems
Post by: DaveG on May 21, 2010, 02:00:29 PM: Quote from: alavana on May 21, 2010, 09:12:20 AM
When an aircraft transmits this data, would it be technically possible to link the aircraft to the position on the radar with some fancy software programming?

I would think its virtually impossible as in any given area of UK there is not just one frequency. If it could have been done someone would have already in other applications.

Closest I've seen are maps with click buttons that open a dialog box shown the common frequencies for a given area so you can tune your own radio/scanner
Title: Re: Ultimate AirNav Systems
Post by: bearcat on May 21, 2010, 03:56:58 PM: I guess what your are wanting to do is plot ACARS messages on the Rbox map. In my experience very few ACARS message contain a latitude and longtitude to plot with. When I used ACARS the most I had on an ACARS map was I think 3 or 4 with long periods of time with none.
Title: Re: Ultimate AirNav Systems
Post by: alavana on May 21, 2010, 04:27:52 PM: Hi bearcat,

Yes, that was what I had in mind, I just wondered if it was possible, but it looks as though it may not be.

It would have been a nice feature for me as I also bought the ACARS software which I can use on here (ANRB)
Title: Re: Ultimate AirNav Systems
Post by: nortonbeak on May 21, 2010, 07:52:48 PM: Quote from: alavana on May 21, 2010, 09:12:20 AM
When an aircraft transmits this data, would it be technically possible to link the aircraft to the position on the radar with some fancy software programming?

The chap that created Posfix tried hard to develop software to extract latitude/longitude from ACARS messages and plot them.

Heres his site

http://www.posfix.co.uk/ (http://www.posfix.co.uk/)

You will see that he tried to make it work with SBS.
Title: Re: Ultimate AirNav Systems
Post by: jannuh on May 23, 2010, 11:24:15 AM: Or you could give PlanePlotter (from Coaa) a try, built in Acars decoder.
In that way SBS1/RB/RadarGadget/Aurora + Acars (and HF-Acars) on one screen.
Title: Re: Ultimate AirNav Systems
Post by: alavana on May 23, 2010, 11:45:55 AM: @ nortonbeak

I have installed the software, it works fine but I only had one "hit" with an ACARS tansmission regarding its location. Other than that, it works fine with ACARS DECODER 2 from Airnav Systems.
Title: Re: Ultimate AirNav Systems
Post by: nortonbeak on May 23, 2010, 03:05:34 PM: Quote from: alavana on May 23, 2010, 11:45:55 AM

@ nortonbeak

I have installed the software, it works fine but I only had one "hit" with an ACARS tansmission regarding its location. Other than that, it works fine with ACARS DECODER 2 from Airnav Systems.

Yes, I think that your experience proves bearcats point. There are not enough ACARS transmissions showing positional data to make it possible to track the aircraft.