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AirNav RadarBox and RadarBox24.com => AirNav RadarBox and RadarBox24.com Discussion => Topic started by: AirNav Development on August 07, 2007, 02:26:57 AM
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Hi All
Finally we have the first beta of Patch 1 available for download.
We now need your help for feedback and problem reporting / correction.
It is very important that you follow the instructions below. This beta should be used by experienced computer users only. It requires a little bit of knowledge to understand some steps. So if you are a computer "expert" wait a few more days for the final release. You are completely responsible for properly do the steps below including the firmware upgrade. The upgrade steps are not automated now.
1- This is a beta version. Errors will still be present and we need your feedback to correct them. We have added MANY new features including the brand new SmartView. They are new so they may have errors. Keep your suggestions and reports coming.
2- Known issues with beta: sometimes hardware disconnects are still happening (although less frequently than before). We are waiting for the hardware developer to send us a revised version of the HW/SW interface which should happen in 1 week (minimum).
3- Corrections/Changes/Additions:
- Added: Mode-S Altitude
- Added: Squawk Codes
- Added: automatic retrieval of mode-s data from Gatwick Aviation Society extensive database
- Corrected: Unable to receive more than 100 msgs/sec (now tested with up to 2000/sec with success)
- Corrected: ACARS Decoder DDE Link
- Corrected: Double clicking on flight not showing correct position on map
- Corrected: Email Reports not working
- Corrected: Without internet connection RadarBox acts weirdly and crashes
- Corrected: Trimming some of the Flight IDs
- Corrected: Myflight interface, selecting aircraft and it not moving the selected aircraft
- Corrected: Reporter - Save file saves as gif file (which is an image file)
- Corrected: Mylog reporting network flights as well
- Corrected: Your account expired or not subscribed to network message when network down
- Added: Trails with user defined time limit
- Added: Distinguish Network flights betters, such as a asterisk next to the tag (user defined)
- Added: Local time choice for mylog
- Added: Selectable font for aircraft
- Added: Timeout flights to seconds as well as minutes
- Added: Bearing and distance to Aircraft (user defined home bearing)
- Added: Refresh rate changeable so easier for slow or quick pcs
- Added: Zoom with wheel mouse and increased zoom for outlines of ground maps
- Added: Preferences Window Transitional Altitude linked with pressure
- Added: Automatic QNH download and decoding from METAR reports
- Added: Polar Propagation/Range Diagram
- Corrected: Invalid index out of limits messages in elf files;
- Corrected: Setup without internet solved;
- Corrected: All flights with status unknown when downloaded from the net;
- Corrected: Priority of network over local flights corrected;
- Corrected: External Url open on default browser not always on IE;
- Corrected: Show all filters in network and myflights
- Corrected: Intermitent Trails problem corrected;
- Corrected: Unscheduled Network disconnections
- Added: 2 aircraft photos shown at each time
- Corrected: menu items checked unabled to see
- Added: Hidign showing RB flights by filter on map
- Added: SmartView Feature
- Corrected: After reordering the my flights list, double clicking on a flight does not show the correct flight
- Corrected: With the network on and downloading pictures on as well, in busy periods the software was having CPU usage and became unusable.
4- Download Instructions:
a) Download the beta files from:
http://www.airnavsystems.com/download/anrb/anrb11beta0.zip
b) Extract all these files to your RadarBox root folder (usually "c:\Program Files\AirNav Systems\AirNav RadarBox 2007"). Overwrite the existing files.
c) First you need to do the firmware upgrade. Be sure the RadarBox HW is properly connected to your computer and that the RadarBox 2007 software is closed. Run the 1.01.0.exe file. A DOS prompt will appear. Click "Page UP". The new firmware will be uploaded to the box. After it finishes click ESC.
d) Now run ANRB.exe. This is the new RadarBox 2007 executable. The first time you use it loading could take some time (not more than 15 secs - this is because of database upgrades).
Welcome to Version 1.1!
Please reply to this forum with comments and suggestions and again, THIS IS A BETA, so expect to find some problems.
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I have just downloaded the patch and installed as per your instructions. When I double click ANRB.exe I get the following message pop up...
LOADER ERROR
The procedure enty point_framedecod@20 could not be located in the dynamic link library crc
Please advise how to proceed. Thanks
Paul
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Ok I figured it out...
Double click on Anlv.exe
not as per your instructions of clicking on ANRB.exe
Now I'm up and running and off to test this new patch!
I'll keep you posted on things I find.
Paul
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Yes we made an error on the uploaded file but we already uploaded a new one. In you case you should delete ANRB.exe and rename ANLV.exe to ANRB.exe. Other users will not need to do this since the zip file already has the correct names.
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Yes we made an error on the uploaded file but we already uploaded a new one. In you case you should delete ANRB.exe and rename ANLV.exe to ANRB.exe. Other users will not need to do this since the zip file already has the correct names.
Okay thanks for the quick reply. I have renamed the file. Do you want beta bug's posted to this thread? I have a few already.
Paul
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You can post them here and we will build a list to start working on all of them.
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1) still can not send e-mail. I get the following message...
"could not connect to SMTP server to send auto-report"
2) In the RadarBox menu drop down when I click on Acars I get Smartview
MyLog = Acars
Alerts = MyLog
Reporter = Alerts
3) My local time is still off by one hour in the bottom pane of the program. Example it now say 'Local Time: 23:22 Ontario' but it is actually 00:22 Ontario.
However I must say that what I've seen so far is very impressive!
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Hi there,
Just uploaded the patch and all looks good.
Only snags so far.
Preferences
Seconds to remove trail
Starts with a 1 in the box - if you use the down arrow it increments in 500 units (e.g. 1/500/1001/1501 etc). Manual insertion of a figure, e.g. 60 then sets sequence using arrows down as 60/560/1060 etc.
Also would it be possible to have the trail the same colour as the aircraft symbol at the time rather than the poor mauve colour. If not the aircraft colour then at least user selectable (present color is too similar to background colours of airways lines).
Notice still no ability o change the orientation of the screen from standard North and the annoying lines shoing a line o origin and destination appear to come up just by putting cursor near the aircraft symbol rather than making a definate request for the information.
Finally for now, are there any instructions how to use Smart View so that I can see if it does what it should.
Mike
Are there any instructions
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Another problem just became apparent.
I did another download of the patch to load to my main PC (original one to my laptop which is where I intend to use it mainly). I want to check that it is OK on the main PC as I have a large 23 inch monitor so wanted to see how it all works on that. However, each time I try this upload of the firmware I get the following error
Exception 0correct: - #2 Device not found ...x
Any ideas please.
Mike
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Hi there,
Also would it be possible to have the trail the same colour as the aircraft symbol at the time rather than the poor mauve colour. If not the aircraft colour then at least user selectable (present color is too similar to background colours of airways lines).
Finally for now, are there any instructions how to use Smart View so that I can see if it does what it should.
Mike
Mike,
You can change the colour of the trail using the File/Preferences/Map Colour options.
Flight Trail is the colour you will see normally on the map
Active Flight Trail is the colour you will see when you pass the mouse pointer over the aircraft.
To keep these colours as an option next time you run RB, you must use the "Export" button (poor choice of words?) at the bottom right to save the colour scheme to a name of your choice - I use "My Colours" and this then becomes available in the Colour Scheme dropdown box in the menu bar.
To use SmartView, enter the airfield code in the box to the right of the "Select Airports" button - say EGCC, then click "Select Airport". This gives you the weather and sets the QHN if you have the "Auto" box clicked.
For the Fleet Watch section, click on "Setup" and enter your chosen fleet details. I've got the following in my list:
MANUAL
BAW*
RYN*
Click "Apply Changes"
You will now get a list of your fleet aircraft in the Fleet Watch box. If you tick the "Show only Fleet Watch Flights on Map" it will do just as it says!
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Another problem just became apparent.
I did another download of the patch to load to my main PC (original one to my laptop which is where I intend to use it mainly). I want to check that it is OK on the main PC as I have a large 23 inch monitor so wanted to see how it all works on that. However, each time I try this upload of the firmware I get the following error
Exception 0correct: - #2 Device not found ...x
Any ideas please.
Mike
You will have already updated the firmware in RadarBox - this updates the chip in the RB itself. You only need to replace the crc.dll, FTD2XX.dll and ARNB.exe files on your destop PC. You can't apply the same firmware patch to the RB twice.
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Another problem just became apparent.
I did another download of the patch to load to my main PC (original one to my laptop which is where I intend to use it mainly). I want to check that it is OK on the main PC as I have a large 23 inch monitor so wanted to see how it all works on that. However, each time I try this upload of the firmware I get the following error
Exception 0correct: - #2 Device not found ...x
Any ideas please.
Mike
You will have already updated the firmware in RadarBox - this updates the chip in the RB itself. You only need to replace the crc.dll, FTD2XX.dll and ARNB.exe files on your destop PC. You can't apply the same firmware patch to the RB twice.
Sorry - just realised what I did - I did not connect RB to my main PC before trying the update. Have now connected it to the main PVC and just run the ANRB.exe and all is OK
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Have just sent an email using radar box to aaks@,dave@gif and prb@ (have not included your full emails for obvious reasons but you should know who I mean). I also sent the report to myself and have got it. This is just a test to see if it is working when sent to other people.
Please let me know the result.
Mike
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My computer is set to BST yet the "local" time on radar box is GMT now 10:30 showing 09:30.
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My computer is set to BST yet the "local" time on radar box is GMT now 10:30 showing 09:30.
Not sure I understand the question :-)
GMT and UTC are the same, one hour behind BST at the moment. So, my PC shows 10:36 in the menu bar at the bottom right, and RB shows 09:36 UTC which is correct.
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Regards to all
I have just downloaded the beta Patch 1 and after 15 min of use it disconnected as usual
my computer is runnin Vista 32 bit an is an Intel Core2 CPU at 2Mhz number T7200
with 2046 MB memory Ram.
Sorry to see that the disconnection problem is not fixed
Regards
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Regards to all
I have just downloaded the beta Patch 1 and after 15 min of use it disconnected as usual
my computer is runnin Vista 32 bit an is an Intel Core2 CPU at 2Mhz number T7200
with 2046 MB memory Ram.
Sorry to see that the disconnection problem is not fixed
Regards
The patch appears to have fixed my desktop PC hardware disconnect problem. RB has always run OK on my laptop, but not on the desktop. AirNav do say that the hardware disconnect issue is still being looked into. Have you sent your ANRB.elf error file to AirNav support?
I presume that you completed the firmware upgrade as detailed by AirNav?
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My definition of "local" time is the time we are currently using in the UK - in this case BST. If that is not the case then I apologise
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My definition of "local" time is the time we are currently using in the UK - in this case BST. If that is not the case then I apologise
Sorry Roadrunner, I'm probably being a bit dull today, but I don't actually understand your problem. Is you PC time showing as 12:05 and the RB time as 11:05?
As far as I can see, the only option in the RB preferences is for the Reporter Log to times to be shown in Local time. Even this doesn't work properly if you change the option having already generated a report - you get a mixture of local and UTC time then!
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Allocator - My PC is showing BST and it was just that I expected the radar box local time to be the same. However, if it does not work like that I will have to get used to it. As an aside - SBS1 manages to record and work in BST :-)
AirNav - another one for you. Further to my previous information relating to the Preferences/Seconds to remove trail lines - my previous message is still correct, however I have now established that no matter what the value is changed to, it is not saved even when Apply/OK are used. It seems stuck on 300 seconds when I rquire 60 seconds.
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Just to show what I have done with the RB this morning. Prior to today max aircraft I have got with aerial on window sill is 40, this is recording 67 although not all are in shot.
Further "want" we can change the colours for NDB's and VOR's etc but it means that both the symbols and the names are the same colour. Anyway of hanging this so that the symbols can be different colours but a different choice for the names.
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Have just sent an email using radar box to aaks@,dave@gif and prb@ (have not included your full emails for obvious reasons but you should know who I mean). I also sent the report to myself and have got it. This is just a test to see if it is working when sent to other people.
Please let me know the result.
Mike
Hi Mike,
I received your e-mailed report fine. I still can't email reports from my computer. Any ideas?
Paul
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PrbFlight:
Do you have any McAfee products running or firewalls? These may block the sending of the email.
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Have just sent an email using radar box to aaks@,dave@gif and prb@ (have not included your full emails for obvious reasons but you should know who I mean). I also sent the report to myself and have got it. This is just a test to see if it is working when sent to other people.
Please let me know the result.
Mike
Hi Mike,
Sorry for delay currently still at work :( The email arrived okay :)
When I get home tonight I'll start testing also.
Dave
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Left my laptop running with the "patch 1" fitted radarbox on it while I cut the grass, only gone about 20 minutes to find my PC has crashed with a major incident. Could not tell from the failure message what had happened and probably would not understand it anyway. So, I am attaching my ANRB.elf file (zipped) and maybe you can se what happened in case it i something to do with the patch !
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Hi Mike,
I received your e-mailed report fine. I still can't email reports from my computer. Any ideas?
Paul
Paul
No, I am not that well up on PC's. I am running Virgin Broadband PCGuard as the only firewall and spam blocker etc and I have never had a problem with emails. Sorry.
Mike
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Just noted an aircraft in a recording I did with the trail getting ahead of the aircraft and then snapping back to the head of the line. This happens a couple of times as the aircraft ventures across the screen. I have it recorded but even the zipped up version of it (2mb down to 363kb) is too big for his forum. I can send it separately to an email address if you like.
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Roadrunner:
Have you changed the refresh settings? from the default 1000ms
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i have download the patch and all is ok. just one problem for the moment
- each time i receive an alert the program does not responding (ctrl-alt-del ....etc)
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that would be well if one could select the squawk code in alerts function.
(sorry for my english - google traduction )
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Roadrunner:
Have you changed the refresh settings? from the default 1000ms
No my refresh rate is the default setting.
While I have you on line, and before I stop for today (been looking at Radar Box since mid morning) I have changed some colours and created my own profile - my colours, however, I can find no way of making this the default setting and on every exit it reverts to the system defaults and I have to change it manually from the Map/Colors/My Colours menu. I can also not ge the maps to retain the Station names detail, again having to refresh every time I log in.
Thats enough for today!
Mike
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You need save the map when you have created it with the all extras you like. The same applies with the colour scheme. Export it when you have got what you want and then import it when you load up RadarBox again.
Hope that helps.
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You need save the map when you have created it with the all extras you like. The same applies with the colour scheme. Export it when you have got what you want and then import it when you load up RadarBox again.
Hope that helps.
I have done the save with all the requirements for my local map but just the station names does not want to hold.
With regards to the Colours I have saved them as "my colours" and they appear in the drop down list of colour options but why cant I save them as my default setting rather than having to import each time?
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Hi,
I installed the patch without any problems. Unfortunately it didn’t solve my biggest problem right now: the blue light keeps on flashing and I'm not receiving anything. I guess I have to wait another week for the driver fix.
Harry
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Hi,
I installed the patch without any problems. Unfortunately it didn’t solve my biggest problem right now: the blue light keeps on flashing and I'm not receiving anything. I guess I have to wait another week for the driver fix.
Harry
Harry,
Have you been able to receive anything ever, or have you always had this blue flashing light problem?
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First I had the disconnecting hardwareproblem and I didn't do anything with RB for a few weeks. Since a few days I'm trying RB again and see that the hardware keeps connected, but the blue light keeps flashing (too fast).
I haven't received anything yet.
Hi,
I installed the patch without any problems. Unfortunately it didn’t solve my biggest problem right now: the blue light keeps on flashing and I'm not receiving anything. I guess I have to wait another week for the driver fix.
Harry
Harry,
Have you been able to receive anything ever, or have you always had this blue flashing light problem?
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patch installed,rb connected then crashed the laptop as per an earlier msg.
Think I'll sit back and watch this develop but not overly pleased so far !
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Hello,
I have updated the Radarbox hardware and software now.
The blackouts in my maps (e.g. Baltic Sea) are still there. I cannot see any difference to the old software version. The aircrafts are approaching the blackout zone, the trail is getting shorter and then gets lost. After some time the aircraft appear again on the other side of the zone between 54N and 54,8N. Then the normal trail starts again, is getting longer for about five minutes and then travels along the flight path. But there are still no records at all within the blackout zone.
Second, I cannot change the length of the trails. I can write a bigger number in the field but the number is set back to 300 when saving.
Third, I cannot reset the polar diagram.
Thanks for all
berlin
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Thanks for all the reports and discussions. Pls keep them coming as we are collecting all them to finish Beta 2 development.
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Hello,
Second, I cannot change the length of the trails. I can write a bigger number in the field but the number is set back to 300 when saving.
Third, I cannot reset the polar diagram.
Thanks for all
berlin
Berlin,
You will find that although the trail length always reverts to 300 seconds, if you put a new value in the box and hit "apply" the trails will change on the screen.
When you say you cannot reset the polar diagram, I presume that you are using the "Clear/Reset Polar Diagram" button in the File/Preferences/General window? This works fine on both the PC's I have tried the RB Beta patch on.
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Hi Guys,
Did not have time to report it at the time this morning but RadarBox crashed while I had it running and although it closed itself down it put up a critical error on my PC similar to yesterday. When it used to drop out prior to the patch all it would do was stop and I would have to reboot to get back in. Now it has only stopped twice - but involved a major system crash, but at least it shut itself down.. Is that progress..
I had to go out so did not have time to do any checking and only just got home.
Mike
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Hi All,
On similar topic.
Since the Beta patch I've had "more" Hardware Disconnection than before !!! Nothing on the PC (software or hardware) has changed except for the patch.
Dave
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Thursday morning I thought I would leave the system running on my laptop and leave it alone to see how far I got. I got a serious system fault which shut Radarbox and I have then to reboot the PC. Later in te morning and through lunch it stopped a further 3 times - these with just the Hardware not connected message. For each of these I was able to close and re-open radarbox. Nothing has been changed on my laptop PC since long before the patch. The only thing that is slightly better when it disconnects is that it now it lets me back in without having to resort to switch off.
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We are aware of the HW Disconnect and the restart issues with the Beta. We are internally testing Beta 2 which seems to have these issues rectified.
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squawk code
I know what "squawk code" means. What I do not understand is the cohesion with this program. Hope to get some clou.
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squawk code
I know what "squawk code" means. What I do not understand is the cohesion with this program. Hope to get some clou.
John,
Hello again. What Palmall68 is asking for is the option to put the 4 figure squawk code (0000-7777) in the Alert tab so that he can get alerts on certain aircraft. Some ATC units use a group of SSR squawk codes, so he might enter 23* to alert on 2322, 2345, 2355 etc
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The Mode S altitude readouts are nice, but I'd like to be able to sort MyFlights based on their total numerical value versus the first digit. Right now a flight at 1400ft displays between a flight at 13000 and one at 15000.
Also, an option to display only one aircraft photo would give more room for route information on the right margin.
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The Mode S altitude readouts are nice, but I'd like to be able to sort MyFlights based on their total numerical value versus the first digit. Right now a flight at 1400ft displays between a flight at 13000 and one at 15000.
Good point, I hadn't noticed that one as I don't tend to sort by altitude.
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The doubling of the number of photos was interesting but is it really necessary? I was quite happy with the single one we used to have and as tvcmh has stated it uses space that could be used for something else. Also, have you seen how quick the file grows - thats without having 2 of each. In under a week radarbox has generated 5,448 files size 52.6Mb.
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Anyone having issues with RB screen freezing and not updating. Only happened three times since beta patch but never before?
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The doubling of the number of photos was interesting but is it really necessary? I was quite happy with the single one we used to have and as tvcmh has stated it uses space that could be used for something else. Also, have you seen how quick the file grows - thats without having 2 of each. In under a week radarbox has generated 5,448 files size 52.6Mb.
It is a pain to have to move the edge of the aircraft window to the right to see the route details to the right of the right hand picture - this reduces the map window size. Yes, I'd be more than happy with just one picture as before.
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What would be better is having the window undocked and allow positioning/sizing outside of the main program window like other applications. (example adobe products)
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Dave,
Re the freezing. Mine did it once since the patch but my main concern is that every day the program has crashed and caused a message re a significant system failure. This throws me out of RB and I have to restart. There are lots of goodies but the stability of the program is paramount.
I am rather concerned as well that a couple of things I have said I cant do (change trail length and get station names to stay in memory) have got a reply to effect that they can be changed but - and it is a big but - It dosen't appear to allow me to do it on my machine.......... It would appear that defaults rule OK and I have followed all the instructions. Mine will not always retain the map that I was using on a pprevious visit!. THat is also after I do actually get to log out from the program sometimes
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The crashing is a real pita. I get the blue screen with a FTDIBUS failure at least twice a day since I installed the patch. I am really not happy :)
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The crashing is a real pita. I get the blue screen with a FTDIBUS failure at least twice a day since I installed the patch. I am really not happy :)
Hang on in there, I'm using the next version of the beta patch due to be released soon and I haven't suffered one hardware disconnect or crash on either the desktop PC or the laptop. The desktop PC was suffering disconnects all the time, patch 1 was a great improvement, but this version seems much better again. I left the desktop running all last night (9 hrs) and it was still running a treat in the morning :-)
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The crashing is a real pita. I get the blue screen with a FTDIBUS failure at least twice a day since I installed the patch. I am really not happy :)
Hang on in there, I'm using the next version of the beta patch due to be released soon and I haven't suffered one hardware disconnect or crash on either the desktop PC or the laptop. The desktop PC was suffering disconnects all the time, patch 1 was a great improvement, but this version seems much better again. I left the desktop running all last night (9 hrs) and it was still running a treat in the morning :-)
Same here, 18hrs running :) touch wood...
Did have one disconnect at 18hrs but it reconnected okay on its own.
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Glad to hear it. By a process of elimination, mine seems to be needing more internet time and it appears to crash if I have a problem with my internet connection. I have just got a new modem and 20mb broadband and in the six hours so far that I have had it nothing has disconnected - and that is unusual. I have SBS1 running on one PC and the RB on my laptop. When I switched on first time after upgrade I did notice that it had around 20 photo hits waiting to connect but it got though those in very quick time. Maybe things are looking up.
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Right in the middle of writing an e-mail that I had already spent 15 minutes on and the *&%$#$% machine has a fatal failure and restarts my computer. Well, it's goimg back in its box until this fault is fixed. I am totally cheesed off with it!
:(
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Same here, after the new patch, my computer crashes after 5-15 min. Before there were diconnections but no system fealures. So I dont't use it at all now. Please hurry up with the next patch...
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Suffered the same problem here; yesterday my pc came up with stop error - hardware device and just re-started the PC. Today on my laptop, running fine all day, went to have some tea came back to a blank screen. Usually when you exit RB it saves what is in MyLog but when this error happens all entries for the day are lost - very disappointing.
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Hello All. We are aware of these problems and we are optimizing the code and make more tests.
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Hi all, downloaded the patch and now program does not run at all. At least before I did at least get 15-30 mins of enjoyment with it, now cannot get the hardware to connect at all! Tried reinstalling the software and using system restore to try and get things back to prior the patch, but won't work at all. Total frustration!
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As you would have updated your firmware for the RadarBox you will need to use the latest version. Go through the install steps again as mentioned at the start of this post. Ensure you follow them thoroughly then try. If it does not work trying restarting.
Ensure the RadarBox is connected throughout the update.
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Tried reinstalling but having no success. Can you go through the process step-by-step for me to ensure I've downloaded and installed patch correctly.
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Can you do confirm the following:
When you run RadarBox 2007 and go to Help -> About menu it says version 1.1
During the patch update, did it tell you that firmeware had been updated?
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Tried reinstalling but having no success. Can you go through the process step-by-step for me to ensure I've downloaded and installed patch correctly.
Brisbane,
There are 2 distinct steps here. One is copying the unzipped files to your RB directory as described below. The second is the updating of the chip in your RadarBox "box" so that it works with the new software. This is done by running the 1.01.0.exe which is one of the files you have unzipped to the RB directory and watching the DOS window as the "firmware" upgrade takes place when you press the Page Up key. I'm assuming that you are running Windows XP and that you understand this so far - if not, let me know. Detailed instructions are shown below:
Download Instructions:
a) Download the beta files from:
http://www.airnavsystems.com/download/anrb/anrb11beta0.zip
b) Extract all these files to your RadarBox root folder (usually "c:\Program Files\AirNav Systems\AirNav RadarBox 2007"). Overwrite the existing files.
c) First you need to do the firmware upgrade. Be sure the RadarBox Hardware is properly connected to your computer and that the RadarBox 2007 software is closed. Run the 1.01.0.exe file. A DOS window and prompt will appear. Press the "Page UP" key on your keyboard. The new firmware will be uploaded to the box. After it finishes click ESC.
d) Now run ANRB.exe. This is the new RadarBox 2007 executable. The first time you use it loading could take some time (not more than 15 secs - this is because of database upgrades).
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I cannot read below the web address, it looks as if it gives a version number but is blanked off.
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Further to my last post, when I use the DOS it still gives the new version as 1.01.0.
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I cannot read below the web address, it looks as if it gives a version number but is blanked off.
Brisbane,
Any joy with the detailed instructions in my last post?
The 1.01.0.exe file you can see when you look in DOS is the file you have to run to upgrade the firmware. Come out of DOS, use Windows explorer to view the RadarBox directory, then double click on the 1.01.0.exe file to run the firmware upgrade. Then press the Page Up key and then press Esc when the DOS window shows the update is complete.
Allocator
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Hi allocator, seems the problem is with software installation. Could you tell me step-by-step instructions on how to overwrite the existing files. Know I sound thick, but would sooner get this right than chuck the PC out the window!
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No problem Brisbane,
I'll assume that you are using Winzip and Windows XP, if not then let me know.
- Download the arnb11beta0.zip file and save it somewhere that you can find it again - your Desktop maybe.
- Open arnb11beta0.zip, the zip file contains the following files:
ARNB.exe
crc.dll
FTD2XX.dll
1.01.0.exe
These 4 fliles need to go to your Radarbox directory, which should be:
C:/Program Files/AirNav Systems/AirNav RadarBox 2007/
so, in Winzip:
- select all 4 files (control and single click on each one until they are all highlighted)
- Click on "Extract"
- find the RB directory as shown above
- make sure that the option "Overwrite existing files" is ticked in Winzip
- Click "Extract"
Now, shut down Winzip and using Explorer, navigate to the RB directory. You will have a whole bunch of files there probably starting with:
AirNav RadarBox 2007 Manual.pdf
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and ending with
unins000.exe
You should also see the new files you have extracted from the Zip file. To check that you have the right ones, select View/Details from the Explorer menu bar. Look for:
arnb.exe 1,695kb dated 07/08/2007 02.34
crc.dll 208kb dated 02/08/2007 01:42
FTD2XX.dll 198kb dated 27/06/2007 14:10
1.01.0.exe 160kb dated 01/08/2007 19:19
Let me know if you get this far OK.
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Hi allocator, got it working somehow, whether I've installed correctly I don't know. Did get a blue shutdown message on my PC when I came back after 1/2hr so don't know. Got to go out now, so will try your instructions out and will be back in touch later. Am running XP and Winzip by the way.
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Hi allocator, checked my files as suggested and it looks as though they are the same values as you gave me. Without tempting fate it has been running OK so far so fingers crossed.
Hav'nt run it for a long time yet, so time will tell if the shutdown problem fixed. Thanks for your help, I may come back to you if everything goes haywire again.
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Brisbane,
That's good news. Now that you've seen that you have the correct files, all you need to do is to see if you have updated the firmware.
Make sure that the RadarBox intself is connected to your PC, and shut down the RadarBox program.
Whilst viewing the RadarBox directory as you did to make sure you had the correct files:
- double click on the 1.01.0.exe file
- a DOS window will open
- press the "Page Up" key on your keyboard
- wait for the DOS program to run - just a few seconds, this is the chip in the RadarBox being upgraded.
- press the "Escape" key on your keyboard.
- Run RadarBox as normal
If you get an error message when you try to run the 1.01.0.exe program and your RadarBox is connected, then you have already upgraded the firmware. You can't do this twice as far as I'm aware, so I don't think that it won't do any harm if you run it twice, you'll just get an error message.
I'm sure that AirNav Support will correct me if I've got anything wrong here.
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Hi allocator, after a time my PC crashes. It did it yesterday and again today. Just wondered if yours is doing the same, might be the roundabout way I managed to get it working. Going out into the wind and rain now, but will try installing the way you have given me. The DOS file must have been OK, as it was not working beforehand, anyway will give another try later.
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Must be having a bad day today. Radar Box has stopped on me three times in as many hours. The only saving grace so far is that it has just stopped - showing Hardware not connected but needs shutting and opening to get it back up and running. I have done one thing differently today - that is in the first session I had the Network running but I ashut that down after 20 minutes and it stopped working 10 minutes later. The next session - local traffic only was 36 minutes and the 3rd session 42 minutes. Computer = ToshibaSatellite Pro L100 868 RAM inbuilt wi-Fi. All battery saving devices off including USB.
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Hi Roadrunner,
Can you try changing the screen refresh time in preferences and see whether that helps? (make the refresh rate slower by increasing that vlaue)
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Hi Roadrunner,
Can you try changing the screen refresh time in preferences and see whether that helps? (make the refresh rate slower by increasing that vlaue)
Guess what - I took your advice and changed the setting to 4000. I used the "Apply" and "OK" buttons and left it running. I could see no change in the speed of the movement on screen and after 20 minutes it crashed anyway with a serious system error. I have restarted and it shows the 4000 as the speed but I cannot count more than "one" between each on-screen movement - which I assume equals to refresh rate. I did a similar thing to my SBS1 and changed the refresh rate to 4 secs and I could see an immediate slow down.
So what is going on - I am running patch 1.
Update - It has crashed twice more, both times showing a serious system failure. I have removed almost everything from my laptop and it is vertually only running for Radarbox. I also have a 20mb broadband connection and watching it looking for photos shiows it is only tacking milliseconds to search and find. Any chance of having the additional patch that is supposed to stop all these disconnections?
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Can anyone confirm installing the patch on Vista?
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I do not know if this is relevant but today I managed 6 strait hours of reception without a glitch, then I went away and came back to the dreaded blue screen. It was telling me of a major system malfunction and the interesting thing was the detail for the failurew - which was as follows.
ftdibus.sys - Address F8C87CF4, 0x00000002, 0x00000001, 0xFC8C87CF4.
Have decided to quit while I am ahead for today and not reboot or restart. Will have another play tomorrow.
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We have found the issue and working to eradicate it. If you get any further error messages then please pass them to support.
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I have decided to hang on until the full upgrade is available rather than risk the beta......so 2 questions : 1) how much longer do I have to keep away from the download button - its getting more and more difficult to resist; 2) has the rather frustrating habit of the interface vertical cursor (slider) to return to the centre position been rectified ?? I sometimes wonder where all the contacts have gone and find that they are all hiding at the top of the screen ! I have looked at the first post describing the improvements but cannot see it as an action.
Regards
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Hi Bill,
The scroll bar fix should be in the next version. It was marked as being less of priority fix but should be done in the next one.
The next version has unfortunately been delayed a few weeks. This is because we want to gather as much feedback or bugs (whether happening in version 1 or 1.1beta) before releasing either a beta or the final patch. Furthermore it is being tested by a few customers at present so when going out to the public it should be more robust.
Hope that helps.
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Excellent - judging by other posts, there are definitely more pressing issues than an errant scroll bar. Whether I manage to keep away from the download button for a few more weeks remains to be seen !
Regards
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Excellent - judging by other posts, there are definitely more pressing issues than an errant scroll bar. Whether I manage to keep away from the download button for a few more weeks remains to be seen !
Regards
Bill,
On balance, despite the problems I still have, I would go for the patch installation, warts and all. Despite the drop outs, when it is working I get loads more contacts than I did previously. For example, in the early days with my aerial on the widnow ledge next to my desk the most I could manage was around 40-45 contacts. Yesterday morning at around 11:00 I had 78 contacts with the aerial in the same place. At this moment in time (09:20 22/08/07) I have 57. My time out for removal is only 3 minutes so it is not a case of lots of out-of-contact targets still on screen. I also like the ability to zoom in closer and actually see the runway profiles at my 2 nearest airports. Luton (6nm) and Stansted (13nm).
Mike
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Mike, Thank you for tipping the balance...............here goes
I'll let you know what happens.
Regards
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He He.......magic..........message rate has trebled.....and I've got trails !!
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He He.......magic..........message rate has trebled.....and I've got trails !!
And I bet you can see a blue sky ! , the sun ! , aircraft ! - havent even seen one on finals to Luton (only 2,800 feet above me) since last weekend. What a B****Y awful week @*!@@*!
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Well, actually.....yes....and there's more - no drop outs since my last post (almost 24 hours continuous) and I am just mesmerised by the message count, it's hovering regularly at 250 - 300 and a peak of 637 just now... and there's another one at 504..and another at 582. I must say I do like to be able to distinguish between "my" aircraft and "yours". Off to Aberdeen tomorrow, bet there won't be that many messages - but ACARS reception from the transantlantic flights is good.
Very sorry you had a bad week - but you've made mine !!
Regards
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I have upgraded the firware and all I get is the 2 lights flashing together and canot connect via the software.
I have carefully done the upgrade several times and still no go help please
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Restart the computer and try the upgrade procedure again then inform of us of what the version of RadarBox 2007 you are using. Make sure you already had Version 1 and the drivers fully installed before attempting the update and that RadarBox is connected.
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The Gatwick Aviation Society (GAS) automatic database populate is working very well with Beta11. I must admit, although I knew that the link had been set up, I hadn't really noticed it working!
Find an aircraft in your lists without a registration, in either the MyFlights or Network aircraft list, then click on that aircraft in the list. The message "Downloading Photo" appears, then the aircraft type and registration appears in the list - excellent!
Whilst there is still the odd aircraft that isn't in the GAS database - which is being constantly updated - the vast majority are there. Well done AirNav and the Gatwick Aviation Society.
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Strange isn't it - this site has been very quiet as far as patch 1 and the upgrade for a while, yet there are still some of us out here who are not getting value for money from the purchase. Promises of things to come don't account for much - it is actions and actual provision of the solutions that do.....
I wanted a radar box from the first time I saw it, although I have an SBS1.
My SBS1 is on most days from 06:00 to 22:00 and the only times it has crashed have been down to me, and in total is only about 4 or 5 in 10 months. My radar box is always switched on at the same time, with the intent of mirroring what the SBS1 is doing. I have not yet managed to keep it running more than 5 hours..... Some days iy will go 4 to 5 before crashing others only 30 minutes to an hour.
It is so frustrating, so please AirNav, no more promises for the future just deliver NOW.
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Hi Roadrunner,
We understand your situation and we apologise profusely regarding the situation. The reason we are holding back the patch is so we don't release another version and have the same issues again.
Therefore making sure its robust otherwise we will be allowing our customers to download it and be disappointed and the same process again.
What I can tell you, is that internally we are testing a version which has been running for a few days now without any issue. We want to let it running now for week or more so we can confirm that there are no issues. Once that is done we will get ready to release it.
Once again we apologise to those who have these issues for inconvenience caused and thank you for your patience.
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Hello Airnav Support,
I am also getting frustrated. I got my Radarbox last week and the Flight Tracking program simply does not connect to the hardware. This has been tested on two PC and one Laptop now. The eMails are going back and forth about my Operating System, about providing the elf information, etc. But in one week no solid information on how to fix the problem!
I agree, you are fast in responding to eMails, but this does not help much if you can not provide a solution to the problem.
Airnav Team, please look into the hardware disconnect issues as your first priority and provide a fix as soon as possible. I am also willing to test any beta versions before you post it officially. It also would help if you simply provide a debug / test program if it is the FTDI driver or the Flight Tracking software itself.
However, I would like to get the return of my investment now...
Thank you for your understanding and collaboration!
FFM
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Hi FFM,
Your issue is different from others on this topic here who are having intermittent disconnects and crashes. In your case it seems there is conflict somewhere on your machine by either a software or a driver as you mentioned to us it did run on clean XP version fine.
Can you upgrade your firmware to beta available at the start of this thread? Have then you then tried running 1.1 beta?
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Just release it as a Beta and get us involved. There is no way you can foresee all the issues. Ronald www.atcbox.com
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I tried 1.0 and 1.1 with and without the firmware upgrade. No success.
Only on a clean XP it did work in a virtual environment. But this is not a solution! Who can
effort just one machine with a clean XP dedicated just to the Radarbox? I can't...
Please release either a debug program or a new beta version to overcome the issues.
As you see from other users as well, many are willing to beta test and many are looking forward to get the issues resolved...
Thank you!
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Hi Doro, FFM
We will release it as soon as we are happy that the major issues are rectified. The latest release is a beta and we have had feedback however we want the major issues fully rectified for the next beta or final release.
FFM:
At the moment you are the only user who is experiencing this problem. Other customers who cannot connect are usually rectified with another RadarBox in case one has got damaged in transit or its faulty.
The rest of our customers are not using a "clean" version of windows and they can connect fine. Hence we believe something is installed on your two machines which is causing conflict. Mostly likely any other USB products or any software which uses USB connections, please either pm me or contact support with any details you can give us so we can recreate the issues on our computers.
Also please note version 1.1 will only work once you have upgraded the firmware. You cannot use version 1 when you have upgraded the firmware.
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Hello Support Team,
I did already eMail you and gave you all the details you asked for. Until now, I did not get any advise on how to solve the issue other than installing beta 1.1 and restarting the machine. Please get back to me by eMail and let me know if the issue is the FTDI driver or the Flight Tracking software. It would also be nice to have a debug program or similar to isolate the problem.
I agree, I can not get the hardware connected in general - while other users get at least somewhat a connection established. However, it appears to me that there is a general connection problem with your software (or the driver) as other users report as well...
FFM
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Support has emailed you.
In the latest beta the connection if lost should reconnect. This is being further tested now to remove and any disconnections which can be maintained. What the major issue in the beta is the crashing which occurs on some customers computers.
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Just read the report in the September Radio User magazine and it concludes with the words
" ....The unit I've been using is a preview sample and it's still at the beta testing stage. As soon as a production model is available, I'll bring you a full review....."
That seems to imply that all those around at present (and the one that I paid £479 for) are are pre-production models.....
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None of the RadarBox products are beta which were sold to customers. Only the latest software patch is beta. Some customers have got confused seeing this post and thought it is beta product. It is NOT a beta product.
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Hi all,
I'm considering buying a flight tracker box like RadarBox or SBS-1. As I was looking for more information from users I found this thread. Now I'm asking me (and you) why I should buy the new RadarBox still with beta software and - as it seems - some more problems instead of buying a mature SBS-1 System?
Beside I don't need a network access for worldwide flight tracking.
Sorry for being a bit offtopic ;)
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Hi Mark_hh
Firstly the beta software is only if you have issues with the software included in the RadarBox. The vast majority of customers are not having problems and currently using version 1. Furthermore version 1.1 will be released in a few weeks.
Compared to SBS, RadarBox is much more advanced:
- Photos
- Updated Aircraft Database
- Route Information
- Polar Diagram
- Alerts
- Network free for a year
- Independent dealers have stated its has better reception
- Portable device compared to SBS
All of the above is available as soon as you start RadarBox and does not need lots of configuring or detailed computer knowledge to setup which is not case for SBS.
A mature SBS-1 system has it downsides as it seems they have stopped developing, while RadarBox is continually looking for requests from customers as well as a great support. Nearly all the requests we had from version 1 have been added to version 1.1.
Hope that helps. Feel free to email us if you have any further questions.
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Hi Mark_hh,
I have both. Buy the Airnav if you have the patience to wait for the issues to resolve.
I trust the Airnav guys to get it going (better make sure you do ;) !
Ronald ATCbox.com
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I want to say that I am one of those.."some"? or more...that have the crash problem with the software. I was forced to format my PC after the last crash. Of course the major issue remains and after that. The same in my second PC, the same with my labtop. So I do not use it anymore. I cannot use something that I paid 700+ euros.
I bought that stuff to enjoy traffic during summer, as I live in Crete-Greece with a lot of charter traffic, taking off and landing over my house during the tourist season. That means that after October will be only a few local flights to Athens. That means that I lost untill now the month (August) with the most intense traffic. I asked Airnav support to -at least- do a beta testing to the patch that they test right now, claiming that it is stable,just to be able to open the software and to stay opened for more than 10 minutes. They answered that beta testers are customers who have bought more than five!! radarboxes, and that will be released in a few??? weeks!!.
Airnav support ,I don't care now for other features right now. Just release a stable patch as soon as possible. Instead of testing it for weeks with a few beta testers, give us to test. You have to understand that we gave our money and we do NOTHING with what we received.
A very disappointed customer
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Hi dermjohn,
I am sorry you have such trouble and we can only apologise. As mentioned in a earlier post we do not want to release another version and for you to have the same issue again as that would be a step back.
Hence we want to make sure the major bugs are rectified before releasing it.
I am sorry but after the last beta release we do not want to go through the same story again.
The patch is going through internal testing and we hope to have it released as soon as possible. We appreciate your patience and once again apologise.
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How you can be so sure that the problem will be solved? What if not? From the beginning again waitnig one more month? Give it now and WE will tell if its ok or not. It will be beta 1.2 just for testing. Where is the problem? Just a version with the same features just supposed to be stable. Except if you don't have found a way to solve the problem yet...
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Hi dermjohn,
We have recreated the issue on our machines and at the moment testing the software. The issue was related to driver/software instability on some setups.
So far its been running without any fault for 3+ days on our testing machines and we want to keep it running for a week therefore proving to us that the issue has been resolved.
We will only release it once we are satisfied that the issue is corrected otherwise we will be disappointing you again. It is final testing phase so it should not be too long now.
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Hello Support Team,
I agree with dermjohn and the other users. How can you be sure to test for the different environments if you do not let us (the users having the problems) test together with you the new release? As you pointed out to me, I am the only one having the hardware problem with no connection at all (for me it works only on a clean VMware XP system). But I tried version 1 and 1.1 on three different machines without success. How can I (or you) be sure that the new release will work, if I (or the other users) can not test it before it is officially released? Should we wait then another couple of weeks to get another update which may (or may not) work??? Currently I have a black box for over 700 EUR which I can not use at all!
I am really confused about your support strategy...?!
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Hi FFM,
Your situation is different and we are dealing with you directly please check your email.
The testing process is rigours and does use different OS environment's as well as locations to cope with high/low amount of traffic. We have found the issue and rectified so it should not cause an issue once released.
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Development Team here with the latest (good) news.
During the last 3 weeks we have been extremelly busy with the development of Beta 2. The major problem we have been concerned with has been the HW disconnects.
Official explanation: as you all know AirNav RadarBox system is made of a software (AirNav RadarBox 2007), Hardware (the box itself) and a connection between these two. We have had problems with this connection which as resulted in the developer of the drivers (a major HW development company) to release a new version 2 weeks ago after many emails changed between us and them.
We have been testing them extensively during the last 2 weeks and we have the good news that we were able to maintain a live connection for more than 5 consecutive days that never crashed. We are please to say that in all the computers we tested, with extremelly high traffic density (sometimes with up to 1400 ADS-B msgs/sec), the connection is now 100% stable.
Today we have started the work of ading all this new software to the main application and we should have some good news (beta 2 released) between Monday and Wednesday next week.
After you all test it we will then finally be able to release PATCH 1.
Why so much time to correct this issue you may ask: because it depends on external companies who had to make several tests before sending the final drivers to us, because we had to test them in detail, day after day, this error happens randomly so sometimes we had to wait for hours to start the debugging process.
So all this problems are finally coming to and end. In the meanwhile we have also added some new features to the final software. :-)
Tks again for your patience. Like any other machine, aircraft or software AirNav RadarBox first 2 months ere of extreme work to address all the reported issues.
We are here to turn RadarBox into the aircraft tracking software available not only for enthusiasts but also to airlines and airports.
Keep your suggestions coming and you will see that we are here to mplement them.
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very good news - thanks :)
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I will watch this space with added interest. I must appear to be very negative with my comments but I do want to use Radarbox but have been frustrated at every turn.
Anyway, enough of that. Two things that I think are needed, urgently, as enhancements are - The ability to change the setting from always pointing to the . North. From my study window I can see down the extended centre line to runway 26 at Luton (approx 254 bearing) I would like to be able to set that as the direction currently "north". Secondly, we have got the altitude now shown for mode-S traffic but it is not a numeric field and it is impossible to sort properly by altitude (It needs to be numeric to do this?).
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Hi Roadrunner,
We understand those two issues. They both have been mentioned earlier will be addressed in the patch however we cannot promise the direction change.
Our first priority is the get the fixes on items which are causing serious issues. We will then move on to the rest.
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Development Team,
Next week. Great! Please keep informing us and let us know if we can do anything to help you solve the issues.
First fixing the current application seems sensible to me.
Ronald
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Hello Airnav-Team, do you have anything corrected in the beta-download. Because I have to reinstall the hole programm, and since then (sunday afternoon today) the program runs like a mercedes ;-)
More than 2 hours I watch now without crash. I also use in the same time different kinds of other programs. When I do this before, I can be shure, that this the running RB not survived.
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The beta fixed issues on some computer and brought in issues on others. Anyhow the latest beta which should be out this week should correct them on all computers.
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OK, Thank you. But I have reinstall the actual beta twice ;-)
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So this week the new patch will be available? Can't wait, hope you keep your promises this time......
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Thats correct this week :)
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I am looking forward to it... Hopefully the driver will work this time...?!
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@FFM
Hello FFM , may I kindly ask you a question?:
Is the relationship between "FFM" and "EDDF" similar to that of "CGN" and "EDDK"? (The latter an airport close to where I live !)
If the answer is Yes, have you checked Virtual-Radar.de ?
Kind regards,
Karl
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Hello Karl,
:) Yes, you are right.
And yes, I am also visiting Virtual-Radar.de from time to time.
Virtual-Radar.de is also a great source of information...
FFM
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Hi all,
finally I got mine and now testing ;) First Look: Great Hard- & Software, very plug & pray, but still (rather) buggy (crashing after 3 hours, range alert does not work, A/Cs off position or "jumping" etc.) may be my fault, still evaluating. Also waiting for the next beta.
Has anyone tried the Range Alert? Doesn't work with me now. Any suggestions?
Markus
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Hello Karl,
:) Yes, you are right.
And yes, I am also visiting Virtual-Radar.de from time to time.
Virtual-Radar.de is also a great source of information...
FFM
Knew I was right FFM :)))
Why not join the forum ? the community would appreciate, we're "open" to SBS-1 as well as RadarBox users.
Kind regards from Köln
Karl
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Hi all,
finally I got mine and now testing ;) First Look: Great Hard- & Software, very plug & pray, but still (rather) buggy (crashing after 3 hours, range alert does not work, A/Cs off position or "jumping" etc.) may be my fault, still evaluating. Also waiting for the next beta.
Has anyone tried the Range Alert? Doesn't work with me now. Any suggestions?
Markus
Markus,
The range alert does work, but the Lat/Lon boxes are labeled incorrectly!
Try putting the Lat in the Lon box and vice versa. There is another bug with this fuction too, you don't just get one alert when an aircraft enters the zone, you keep getting alerts until the aircraft leaves the zone. If you have the alert sound selected, RB bleeps like a thing possessed. I've reported both of these the AirNav, so hopefully they will be fixed in the new release.
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Hi Allocator,
thx for your fast response. Now it works! But I agree, one alarm would be sufficient ;)
Markus
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Hi HH,
You mention A/Cs off position or "jumping". Some aircraft may have ADS-B units which are not running off GPS and hence sometimes lead to positions which are not correct.
The jumping you mention, thats probally related to network flights which update every 30 seconds.
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Latest Patch 1 beta 2 news: all the tests are finished but we still have some problems with the photo download routine which causes the entire application to crash after 2 to 3 hours running. We are correcting and testing this and as soon as it is ready the new patch will be out.
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hours,days or weeks ??
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Hi HH,
You mention A/Cs off position or "jumping". Some aircraft may have ADS-B units which are not running off GPS and hence sometimes lead to positions which are not correct.
The jumping you mention, thats probally related to network flights which update every 30 seconds.
Hi there,
the A/Cs which are jumping are not network flights. Until now its mostly planes approaching the airport (in low altitudes). Maybe its due to a weak/ lost ADS-B/ Mode-S-signal? By the way: where should the A/Cs get their position w/o getting it from GPS?
For example: An approaching aircraft should be on the final (it better should ;) ) but its somewhere in the vicinity of the final (sometimes miles away). Eventually it gets back to its real position.
Another distracting thing are "phantom signals". Planes that have already landed are still shown on the map (occasionallly) mostly with high altitudes/ FL on their label.
Appreciate your good work even if it is still buggy,
Markus
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Helllo Airnav Team,
Did you also improve the hardware FTDI interface which is not working on some PC / Laptop? My support ticket is still open and unresolved...
Thanks,
FFM
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Hello HH,
If you lower the value for "lost signal flights", these planes should disappear according to the time specified.
FFM
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Hello HH,
If you lower the value for "lost signal flights", these planes should disappear according to the time specified.
FFM
The Beta I've been running (not the Beta here on the Forum) has separate "time-out" setting for network data. This works very well, so I hope that it makes it to the new release version.
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Hello Allocator,
Good to hear that things improve :)...
Hopefully Airnav will incorporate all the suggestions and input from the user community to make it a great product...
So we all hope that the new release will be much more stable and released soon...
FFM
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Hello HH,
If you lower the value for "lost signal flights", these planes should disappear according to the time specified.
FFM
Hello FFM,
I already set the value to 15 seconds. My problem are "re-appearing" flights that have already landed. Maybe some signal-reflections while the planes are taxiing. I'm not that far from the airpot so that may be a problem?
I'm also testing different antennae locations. Maybe the problems disappear with the best antenna location.
Does anyone have experience with the 1090 Mhz antenna offered at Wimo.de?
Markus
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@ Markus
By the way: where should the A/Cs get their position w/o getting it from GPS?
For example: An approaching aircraft should be on the final (it better should ;) ) but its somewhere in the vicinity of the final (sometimes miles away). Eventually it gets back to its real position.
Hi Markus,
Some aircraft, and there's still quite a lot of them, have fed INS instead of GPS data to their transponders. INS suffers "drift", which increases with time as the aircraft is airborne. INS realigning is usually done, when the aircraft is back to a stand.
Also, ADS-B, as received by RadarBox and SBS-1, is not yet used by airlines and airtraffic control, as there is no official approvement yet from the authorities involved, which is probably a few years away.
If an aircraft appears to "jump" on its final, RadarBox is probably loosing and regaining contact. Remember "line of sight rules" concerning signals that travel at frequencies around 1 GHz.
Final approaches use to rely on ILS related, if not a "Visual"
Have a look at Virtual-Radar.de as "FFM" does, and BTW: we are "open" for both, RadarBox and SBS-1 users.
"HH" might be somewhwere in the northern part of Germany, is it?
Regards,
Karl
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An INS/FMC is updated by radio updates, VOR radials, DME and LOC signals. Yes they suffer drift over time but when near a European airport, with the number of dme-dme updates available and then finally the most accurate-the LOC-DME update the drift should be minimised as the FMC position is a mix of the INS and radio updated info.
The most noticable shift is after flight over areas with no radio beacons ie North Atlantic or Africa for those a/c seen in Europe.
Rgds
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An INS/FMC is updated by radio updates, VOR radials, DME and LOC signals. Yes they suffer drift over time but when near a European airport, with the number of dme-dme updates available and then finally the most accurate-the LOC-DME update the drift should be minimised as the FMC position is a mix of the INS and radio updated info.
The most noticable shift is after flight over areas with no radio beacons ie North Atlantic or Africa for those a/c seen in Europe.
Rgds
Wish, I had you sitting by my side, looking at my "Virtual Radar" then monitoring some "well known companie's" "well known aircraft types" that just departed about three quarters of an hour or so before, no Atlantic crossings, not suffering "update aids", approaching the local airport's ILS. Then compare to those, that rely on GPS.
If still in doubt, check an alternative forum, and chat about with some "experts".
Regards
Karl
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Does anyone have experience with the 1090 Mhz antenna offered at Wimo.de?
I have.
Using it since the beginning of this year, good choice and very happy with it.
Karl
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No doubt as I've seen what you refer to. All I've stated are how the position data is derived and would love to speak to your "experts". I use INS/GPS every time I go to work so have seen it from the pointy end !
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Does anyone have experience with the 1090 Mhz antenna offered at Wimo.de?
I have.
Using it since the beginning of this year, good choice and very happy with it.
Karl
Hello Karl,
do you use it indoor or on an aerial mast?
Markus
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Hi Markus,
Some aircraft, and there's still quite a lot of them, have fed INS instead of GPS data to their transponders. INS suffers "drift", which increases with time as the aircraft is airborne. INS realigning is usually done, when the aircraft is back to a stand.
Also, ADS-B, as received by RadarBox and SBS-1, is not yet used by airlines and airtraffic control, as there is no official approvement yet from the authorities involved, which is probably a few years away.
If an aircraft appears to "jump" on its final, RadarBox is probably loosing and regaining contact. Remember "line of sight rules" concerning signals that travel at frequencies around 1 GHz.
Final approaches use to rely on ILS related, if not a "Visual"
Have a look at Virtual-Radar.de as "FFM" does, and BTW: we are "open" for both, RadarBox and SBS-1 users.
"HH" might be somewhwere in the northern part of Germany, is it?
Regards,
Karl
Hello Karl,
thx for more insight. I'm only flying the little ones with their "Uhrenladen" and sometimes some w/ glass cockpit (which feels like flying a big one by the way ;) ) but I haven't heard of "INS". Maybe you could give me the unabbreviated meaning, so I can google some.
The jumping A/Cs stem indeed from weak/lost/bad signals as far as I can see now after altering antennae locations. I'm considering moving the antenna outside on an aerial mast, but will do some more tests.
I'm already reading "virtual.radar.de" and mentioned it to AirNav as source of information for buying the RB (after reading the discussions on your board). And "HH" is indeed in the North ;)
Have a nice day,
Markus
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@ Markus
do you use it indoor or on an aerial mast?
Outdoors is a MUST, Markus, and if you can afford, give it a place "as high as possible", most hopefully not have it "looking" into obstacles in your vicinity, that attenuate
the incoming signals, and migt also be reponsible for "Multipath reception" too.
Take care to use a "low loss" coaxial cable and its appropriate connectors. ("Ecoflex 10" beeing a very good choice) If it is more then about 10 meters of cable to connect between the antenna and your RadarBox, a "mast preamplifier" is recommended to compensate for signal losses, even if using high quality cable as mentioned before. ("WIMO" does have both, cable as well as the preamp)
INS stands for Inertial Navigation System, "Trägheitsnavigations- system" as we are saying. INS uses accelerometers that are sensing 3 axis acceleration, integrating it twice to get "positition" in the axis as mentioned before, and mechanical Gyros ("Laser gyros in the more modern systems) to establish a platform with respect to the earth's surface, the accelerometers attached to the platform)
We might "e-mail" if you wish, and I could send a screenshot to your attention, which is not appreciated by AirNav means, (which I can fully understand as I "unfortunatly" am an SBS-1 instead of RadarBox user.
Karl
PS: Like the "UHERNLADEN", never heard before. Have spend a lot of hours on the B737-300/500
"jumpseats". The 737s representing a mix of "Uhrenladen" and "Glass-cockpit"
K.
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Getting back to the thread of this discussion group, where is the promised patch that was due Monday-Wednesday of this week. We have put up patiently with waiting for this for 2 months now, still no sign of us being able to enjoy our near £500 worth of equipment. Whilst I appreciate this was unforseen, I do feel that this has gone on for much longer than any of us would have liked. I purchased this because of the superior graphics over the SBS-1 box, now can we have something that actually works!
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Getting back to the thread of this discussion group, where is the promised patch that was due Monday-Wednesday of this week. We have put up patiently with waiting for this for 2 months now, still no sign of us being able to enjoy our near £500 worth of equipment. Whilst I appreciate this was unforseen, I do feel that this has gone on for much longer than any of us would have liked. I purchased this because of the superior graphics over the SBS-1 box, now can we have something that actually works!
Hi mate - look at the next thread in this section of the forum. You will see that it has been delayed indeffinately......
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Hi All,
Once again I apologise for the delay.
We need to be 100% certain that there are no show stoppers in the next release otherwise we will be disappointing you again. Hence that's why we are making sure any serious issues are fully rectified and tested.
I hope to have some further news very soon.
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If photo's are the problem, can we not have an option to turn off auto photo download and also an option on each record to download photo for that record only at a push of a button.
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I use INS/GPS every time I go to work so have seen it from the pointy end
B744, even if you work on the flight deck you should trust that there are people around who know about the wiring of the transponders in the compartment below you. There are certain aircraft types from major airlines where the IRS (sic) is a hardwired source to the transponder and a GPS or DME/DME update is inhibited. For PFD map use and FMC the IRS is overridden at all times by GPS or DME/DME. This is a configuration/engineering subject and it does exist. Forget about any conspirency about faulty Mode-S receivers, this has been proven by Eurocontrol (they have amonthly report on this) etc...
Albeit this is not know not on your B744, but these do produce incorrect and changing flight IDs...
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Hi DaveG,
There is a option to turn off Photo Downloads, however most people have it on and hence why we want it to be rectified.
Rest assured we are nearly there for the release.